A fucking lasersight was basically top of the notch technology due to early lasers not being solid-state and requiring an insane amount of energy to work. The budget for special effects in this regard was a bit low so the power supply was strapped to Schwarzenegger and ran directly to the longslide by a cable.
What would the unstoppable bodybuilder cyborg from the future carry now, PrepHole?
a brick to throw at people super fucking hard, possibly a caveman club as a sidearm
Honestly this is the best answer
They chose Arnold because he was enormous, one of the biggest men of the era, and he wasn't a moron
But yet the movie failed to make his strength a primary focus
As a body builder myself, if I had made a Terminator movie, the Terminator would have no need for weapons, simply using his unstoppable strength to literally crush skulls or remove limbs like a gorilla could do
Also he is a Terminator, bullets are useless against him, so he has no need to shoot you before you shoot him
He should just walk to you like you cannot stop him, because you can't
Arnold wasn't originally meant to play the role. The terminator was meant to be a stealth cyborg, more akin to the T-1000 in the second movie.
>Arnold wasn't originally meant to play the role.
This. And you know who it was supposed to be until producers called it off?
Lance fucking Henriksen.
He did get another role in the movie, though.
a friend of mine had a shitty biker action movie and he played the villain. on the video box, he was listed as 'Lance "terminator" Hendrickson'. this was a thing till late in the game...
Was it Renegade with Charlie Sheen?
Probably "Stone Cold" with Brian Bozworth. That movie kicks ass.
>Stone Cold with Brian Bosworth
This thread just keeps getting more based lol
Concept art of what could have been
Just imagine this thing hunting you down
Wasnt Lance's version of the Terminator supposed to be more devious too?
him and christopher walken as terminators would have been kino back then.
I thought thats why MIIR went rogue and defended mother russia and got the humans armed and ready to go.
MIIR was based as fuck
arnie needs to play an FBI agent in an episode of king of tulsa
>MIIR was based as fuck
Haven't read that, one of the comics?
The only reference to MIIR that I knew was the one where the humans were using Americans to nuke/EMP Russia via an old boomer because MIIR is a software AI and not a hardware one and needed to be destroyed in a bunch of distributed data centres all at once or it would survive.
In this comic, MIIR had been uplifted by Skynet and was under its control.
MIIR was going to be "killed" by skynet, said CYKA BLYAT!! and went off the reservation.
Fun fact: Orion refused to give Cameron any support initially for the film. He had Lance, in costume, more or less break into one of their production meetings and scare the fuck out of them. Lance's version of it was meant to be less openly intimidating, and rather a killer that could be literally anyone, owing to Lance's everyman appearance.
Terminator was for the longest time one of the most successful B movies ever made.
Cameron painted the original movie poster (which he used as a visual aid when pitching the script) with Henriksen as the Terminator. He envisioned him in the role from the beginning. And when Arnie was cast instead Cameron repainted the same poster with Arnie.
it all worked out though because Lance made the best Bishop we could have hoped for. In the end, we did get an uncanny valley but still friendly robot come Aliens.
c:
It would have been a more cult movie than mainstream but Lance would have made the OG terminator a better movie. Man was great at being an understated but intimidating guy.
That's the point (in the lore, at least). Terminators are infiltrator models, they are supposed to look like the most average nondescript motherfuckers. Like some history teacher or something... someone who you would NEVER associate with words "killer robot".
But then again, Arnie really did have that "Killer robot" physiology which is intimidating. So he did ok, even though not exactly what the lore would dictate.
Pictured: what a terminator would really look like.
Too fat for the apocalypse.
You guys are missing the point. A T-800 couldn't be stopped by conventional means until long after he's completed his mission. He doesn't have to hide who he is because nobody would suspect him. He doesn't know about Kyle and Skynet was desperate.
In the "lore", the chassis the t-800 was based on was made before it was given a human appearance. Since the t-800 had a massive frame to begin with, Skynet picked a large human as its appearance. This aided its infiltration abilities, because a large, intimidating human can get away with not being a smooth talker. Arnold could just tell someone to fuck off and they would.
A similar approach was used by the T-1000. It chose to take the default form of an authority figure - a police officer - so that it could easily interrogate humans without arousing suHispanicion. In the T3 and onwards movies they fucked it up by making the villain terminators be people that would get hassled a lot. Pretty women, skinny mexicans and such.
>It chose to take the default form of an authority figure
Not really; I guess T1000 was extremely lucky to run into a police officer just after it arrived (movie plot hole: it has no living tissue around it, but supposedly in novelization it has a flesh caccoon or some shit that woud, in the movie, give away the surprise)
The t-1000 still logically would have wanted to gain access to police records and pretend to be a cop. Either way it still stands that the terminators in the first two films had the form of a person you wouldn't want to screw with.
I agree with that and the idea that he takes the role of a cop for better tracking is great.
Just saying that it was neatly combined in a scene.
Cynics might say "how convenient", but fuck them
>movie plot hole
literally who cares
that was just and excuse to make Reese look like a crazy creepy hobo and make Sarah reluctant to go with him so that the movie can happen and to to show off Arnie's Belgian Blue physique at least once
It does annoy me that terminators were turned into foot soldiers after the first movie. In the first film, its all a drone war. Massive tanks flanked by massive drones, as well as little aerostats synonymous with modern quadrotors. The terminators only existed to locate and infiltrate hardened human settlements that escaped the eye of the larger non-human-shaped machines. Jump to terminator 3 and you've got bare endoskeletons doing an emu parade over open ground like they're doing a slow trench charge at the somme.
>like they're doing a slow trench charge at the somme
To be fair, T800s would excel at Napoleonic warfare, think of it more like police doing an evidence search, you can just form a line of endoskeletons and march them across a battlefield and find every human hiding under a rock.
It was meant to be OJ Simpson but they decided audiences would have a hard time seeing OJ as a killer
We joke now but before everything with OJ went down, he was seen as a universally nice guy in America that everyone liked. That's why the murder blew up like it did, OJ Simpson was the last person in the world people suspected could be a murderer.
Trash opinion. Firearm use makes the unstoppable robot even more dangerous.
>bullets are useless against him
12 gauge fucked his shit up at the Tech Noir pretty good, to the point he was stunned and vulnerable to further attack. 2 guys with a something like a Fostech Origin and tungsten slugs would eliminate one very easily.
the T-800 in the first movie is portrayed as a lot more vulnerable than in succeeding movies for some reason
with lots of scenes showing the terminator performing self-maintenance from cumulative battle damage
some guy managed to last more than 10 seconds in a fist fight with it
it gets stunned by a shotgun blast and is forced to run
and it assumed a zombie-like palor from its skin literally rots on its body
its still a huge threat, but the tiny scratches do take its toll on it as the movie goes on
compared to terminator 2, where the battle damage only makes it look cooler (same with the T-1000, the bullet holes only make it look awesome)
T-800 in the first flick survives the truck explosion and keeps coming, it's skin was off but it was still fully functional.
It's not going to be that hot and overpressure won't do shit. Having all the flesh burned off is unrealistic, but then again having your robot model covered in BBQ brisket for the rest of the film isn't going to look as cool.
Yeah, and took the truck actually hitting him full speed to damage his leg. Reese wasn't kidding when he said they were tough.
I thought it was cooler like that, seemed a bit more realistic that it wasn't totally invulnerable and made out of adimantium
it was also funny that it was starting to stink from it's rotting skin, T2 would have been better if Sara and John had to wear clothespins on their noses for the second half of the movie
>with lots of scenes showing the terminator performing self-maintenance from cumulative battle damage
He also has a bottle of hoppe's number 9 and cleaning rods, as you can see in this scene. So he's been doing maintenance on his weapons too.
And there's a scene where someone tells him he smells like a dead cat - his flesh is basically rotting. You wouldn't be able to keep skin alive forever, not without a full circulatory system. You'd have to oxygenate and feed it, which requires lungs and guts that a terminator doesn't have. So the skin is dying from the moment he steps off the factory floor. He's made for a short mission.
Someone involved in production thought all of this through. It's very realistic - as far as sci-fi goes. You never see this in modern movies, and modern audiences don't give a shit.
Makes me wonder what the plan was if kyle and sarah lasted another few days. Does he risk walking around in broad daylight with skin hanging off his exposes hydraulics, or does he give up the chase and discretely decommission himself so he doesn't cause a paradox. Kyle says that nothing will ever stop it from chasing them, but that becomes increasingly untenable when you're a total skeleton, you've national guard units after you and your continued existence is just as much a threat to skynet as john conners is.
>Does he risk walking around in broad daylight with skin hanging off his exposes hydraulics, or does he give up the chase and discretely decommission himself
If he has to but I'd think he'd restrict himself to night missions after a while and acquire a car with tinted windows for day time recon or travel.
>so he doesn't cause a paradox
Not a priority. At least it's a lower priority than failure because Skynet was already losing when it sent the Terminator back, the rebels captured the facility afterwards to send Reese back so a paradox is a non-issue and more desirable to failure because if you're losing, why not kick over the table?
>becomes increasingly untenable when you're a total skeleton, you've national guard units after you
Sure, the mission gets less viable if it takes too long but that just means you have to work hard at the start. You don't abandon a last-resort mission because it's hard, you just make the most of it and a Terminator obviously doesn't give up. It will simply strategise its best options and execute them, regardless of how bad the best options are.
>and your continued existence is just as much a threat to skynet as john conners is
No, paradoxes and future knowledge are kind of random and shake up the future in unpredictable ways rather than being a loss for Skynet. It's only worse than killing Sarah/John Connor, so if the T800 completes its mission successfully then it needs to be discrete and prevent paradoxes but if it fails then paradoxes are A-OK and better than complete failure (which means that the Rebel takeover of Skynet's facility is successful and not-reversed and they now control both past and future).
Ok so, they say that Skynet sending the t800 to 1984 was a last ditch effort as the resistance was breaking down the doors of the time travel facility, right? And once they realized that a t800 was sent back to kill Sarah, they send Kyle back to protect/impregnate her.
Does skynet ALSO send the t1000 back at the same time, before the resistance takes the time machine? Then John reprograms a t800 and sends it to protect himself in 1995? Since the resistance has control of the time machine they can send stuff back to whenever at their leisure I guess, right?
This isn't even getting into the stupidity of the subsequent movies, especially the ones after "multiple timelines" stuff entered into popular consciousness.
I guess it's just not compelling storytelling and doesn't really affect the movie to show how the time travel shit affects the future, that's not what the movies are about, but my autistic ass can't help but think about it. There's a reason they only ever tried to set one terminator movie after judgement day and it sucked ass, I guess.
>Does skynet ALSO send the t1000 back at the same time, before the resistance takes the time machine?
No, the events of T1 created a new timeline (or new future) that didn't involve sending back a T800 but did involve Skynet knowing about the events of T1.
So in this new timeline, it sent a T1000 instead when the doors were being broken down. And it had T1000s because parts of the T800 were available in the past so Terminator R&D had a head start.
>doesn't really affect the movie to show how the time travel shit affects the future, that's not what the movies are about, but my autistic ass can't help but think about it
TSCC makes this even weirder when Derek Reese is in the past talking to an ex-girlfriend from the resistance who has her own mission in the past (which she abandons and decides to desert and live out her life in the past) and they realise they're from different timelines where different things happened and they knew different people but in both of them they still hooked up but aren't really the person the other one hooked up with.
In fact, as soon as anyone comes back to the past, they destroy their own future just by arriving in the past and everything from then on is going to be slightly different.
TSCC really was a great show, its a shame it ended when it did but the "last" season would have ballooned in cost taking place in the post apocalypse and all, for a 2000's TV show its probably too extreme a direction to take it in, you couldn't even do the stargate thing and film everything in "alien" canadian forests.
>you couldn't even do the stargate thing and film everything in "alien" canadian forests
Post-war Bakhmut could preserve a suburb for use as a setting for post-apocalypse films. Be a good way to make money on rebuilding the rest of it.
>Someone involved in production thought all of this through.
It was Cameron himself. The guy is a multidisciplinary artist and nerd that began from the bottom in the movie industry doing stuff like the matte paintings of Escape from NY.
T1 was his big chance to be a filmmaker and he put everything into it.
There was also a scene that was either filmed or in the script where he modified the AR18 to be full auto, it just wasn't in the movie
In an interview with soldier of fortune, Cameron said that the Terminator went to a hardware store and stole tools to convert its AR-180 to full auto. The gun was semi-auto only when he took it from the gun store.
apparently according to the game the terminators do maintain their skin like
says
In subsequent movies and media when the subject of two terminators fighting each other came up, a decision had to be made about the relative strength versus durability of the robot frames. Are they so strong that they can tear each other apart? Or are they so tough that they essentially can't hurt one another?
If you've seen the movies (or particularly the Sarah Connor Chronicles) you know that they went with the latter. Terminators are relentless and unstoppable, but they're not particularly strong (at least relative to their own toughness). I think it's more interesting to have an antagonist that you can only run from but have no realistic hope of defeating rather than yet another ZOMG SO POWERFUL movie robot that could tear an MBT in half. It's not that hard to kill a human, past a certain low threshold of strength, any more is just overkill.
>If you've seen the movies (or particularly the Sarah Connor Chronicles) you know that they went with the latter. Terminators are relentless and unstoppable, but they're not particularly strong (at least relative to their own toughness)
If you're thinking of the elevator fight, they're strong enough to wreck the joints in another terminator's frame.
>the Sarah Connor Chronicles
Why would anyone?
>Why would anyone?
Because it's excellent.
Terminators are shown to die to small arms multiple times
>the movie failed to make his strength a primary focus
IIRC he killed the first Sarah Connor in the phonebook by busting open her door and then implicitly not using weapons for her offscreen death. I don't remember him having a gun in his hand. I'm pretty sure he kills a handful of people without weapons in that movie but there's no reason for him not to use force multipliers.
yeah the first fucking dude the t-800 kills in Terminator is done in when the robot punches that guy so hard it breaks all the shit in his guts
>IIRC he killed the first Sarah Connor in the phonebook by busting open her door and then implicitly not using weapons for her offscreen death.
>I don't remember him having a gun in his hand.
Been a while since you've seen T1 huh? He shoots her 6 times lol
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That's called the Dr. Loomis special
They see in IR, right? Meaning any gun set up for nods gives him even more cheatcodes than he already had. He can natively see any IR laser as a line from his gun to his target. I actually wonder to what degree they would need to even use the sighting devices on their weapons to aim or if the ballistics processing built into their brains can just calculate POA/POI on the fly, given how often you see them nailing moving targets from the hip, but you also see them aim weapons properly quite often, and obviously he uses the laser as seen here
In either event, given its preference for "large caliber handguns" with high-tech aiming interfaces, I'd imagine at minimum for a handgun it'd be some hot-loaded 10mm with an IR laser and probably a slide-mounted optic. More likely if he could get it I'd say some shit like .460 rowland though I'm not sure the t800 is gonna make up wildcat rounds. In any case the model shows a clear preference for .45acp, so maybe a USP or P220
> so he has no need to shoot you before you shoot him
except their skin layer getting damaged revealing their metal frame and exposing their cover
no wonder you are meathead, you have no clue about basic common sense to blend in with the larger herd
ha, good point. Cops won't really be doing extra work when they hear 'guy in la shoots woman and runs' but if they got reports of a LITERAL ROBOT ripping arms and legs off people they'll probably be able to swing larger, national level securities on them.
In reality nobody would believe any of that until it happened three or four more times and, most importantly, one of the events had multiple surviving witnesses.
>SO HEY THIS RAD ROBOT DUDE TOTALLY RIPPED THAT GUYS ARM OFF AND BEAT THAT OTHER GUY TO DEATH WITH IT
Ok sir you're "not under arrest" but we need to take you in for questioning.
>He should just walk to you like you cannot stop him, because you can't
But the Terminators were originally built and programmed to fight future humans armed with plasma rifles that *could* kill Terminators. There's no reason you wouldn't program them to also use ranged weapons.
>But yet the movie failed to make his strength a primary focus
They did, the whole "dual weilding two high caliber weapons" thing originated from this movie and was one of the subtleties of his character.
The point was you can't fucking one hand an AR let alone a god damned SPAS 12, but he could because he's a terminator. Same thing with hanging on to a flaming semi truck and being launched through a window.
Stallone was also considered.
>you can't fucking one hand an AR
not accurately with automatic fire and control retard.
>Stallone was also considered.
So was OJ but they didn't think he'd be believable as a killer huehuehue.
One of my favorite things ever is that Stallone and Schwarzenegger don't like each other and when the latter saw the script for Stop or my Mom Will Shoot he made it known that he was really super totally interested in the movie (he wasn't) so Stallone would go for the role and end up being stuck in a stinker.
>Stallone and Schwarzenegger don't like each other
Apparently they're over that now and hang out sometimes.
Wtf has Stallone done to his eyebrows. Did he pluck them out and have new ones installed? Also how did he age so quickly since the last Rambo movie?
>Wtf has Stallone done to his eyebrows. Did he pluck them out and have new ones installed?
Maybe some sort of hair implant for brows?
>Stallone is 5'9 what the fuck Arnold
Stallone has to be standing on something, or have the most ridiculous pumps.
Stallone is 5'9 what the fuck Arnold ahhahahaha
Stallone is pretty petty individual and can hold grudges for decades.
Terminators real super power is MOS technologies 6502 CPU.
>Stallone is pretty petty individual and can hold grudges for decades.
They had a kind of rivalry back in the 80s and early 90s, given that they were the biggest action stars of that era, but there's no real animosity between them. They're been buddies for several decades at this point, and have even starred in several movies together. Both of them acknowledge that the fact that they never made a movie together in their prime is a tragedy.
Stallone has habit lashing out to directors, producers and other crew about shit that is actually not under their control but mandated by studio executives. Stallone movie cut to 1h50min running time instead of 2h30min and he loses screen time, stop talking to everyone involved for couple decades kind of thing.
What do you base that on? I'm not saying you're lying, but I don't recall ever hearing that Stallone is difficult to work with.
He is probably nicest guy around when he is having a good day, apparently bit of a primadonna when things go south. That is something that multiple directors and producers have said about Stallone.
>He is probably nicest guy around when he is having a good day, apparently bit of a primadonna when things go south.
Oh so every Italian man ever
>the fact that they never made a movie together in their prime is a tragedy
It is, imagine late 80's version of Escape plan, or Expendables
How come Stallones hands are so big? They're massive compared to Arnold's. What the hell? Why are his hands so big
Genetics, Sly has fuckhuge hands; I've put my (average) hand in his handprint in Cannes and mine looked like a childs
Some dudes just have big hands. Jim Henson had fucking giant hands, he could use just his hand to make all the expressions with Kermit's mouth, understudies had to use extra padding to fill in the space
Jim Henson was also 6'3''. I'm taller than Stallone
Doubt. They probably go to the same synagogue
Right when he drops in the present he kills a thug by punching through him.
terminator 1 did a good job of showing that the cyborg's super power wasnt his endurance but his ruthless aimbot. Bullets and other tools of the time did hurt him and fucked with his robotic functions even if it couldnt directly penetrate its armor.
the Terminator went out of his way to disguise his robotic parts so it wouldnt get rekt by people ganging up on him
Terminator 2 dropped the ball imo where the terminator essentially became completely unkillable by human arms
Weren't most of the people shooting at him using pistol rounds in terminator 2? It's a long time since I watched it but I think he mostly got hit by 9mm.
He gets shot in the back twice by two different M16's, once by 'Ed', and once by picrel (Lance Henrikson, funnily enough). It doesn't even phase him.
*faze
the swat team shooting gallery near the end appear to be using MP5s and handguns, behold the power of 9mm.
What the fuck are you talking about, he fights an entire fucking police station
Yes, an entire suburban cop shop full of jobsworths with revolvers they shoot once a year. The Terminator wasn't set in Northern Ireland.
he is initially fired at with revolvers and shotguns which dont do much other than ruin his jacket
but they quickly upgrade to M16s which still dont do anything despite getting several square hits
getting run over and then blown up by an oil tanker did burn off all its flesh and give it a limp, but that didnt stop it
just slow it down enough that you could jam a pipebomb in its exposed chest, though reese was too inured to run to safety and was killed by his own blast
thats precisely the scene i was thinking about. the terminator crashed a car into the station, fucked up the electrical grid to turn of the light, and missed none of his shots while dual wielding 2 guns. he was faster and more accurate than humans and he killed most of them before they shot at him or hit him. Most of the cops missed completely.
That entire scene was not just to show "oh guns arent very effective against him" but to show that his tactics, execution, lack of fear, and aim was top notch. Otherwise an organized human group would not find it overly difficult to kill him using cars and other heavy machinery or bombs if they knew he was coming and was prepared once humans figure out that small arms arent very effective
The terminator 2 mercury man on the other hand is basically unkillable by any organized group of humans, and now can also shapeshift and change faces.
Liquid terminator isn't unkillable, but you would definitely lose a lot of people in the attrition. Compared to the first few times it encounters the conners, during the last encounter in the smelter its moving much slower and is glitching out and sticking to the floor. Hard to say what's causing this, whether its too much fluff data in its temp files slowing down its CPU, or its cumulative wear and tear from all the bullet impacts and nitrogen freezing making it lose performance, but I think the reason it tries to get Sarah to call out to John instead of just killing and replacing her is because it cant anymore, at least not reliably enough to be convincing. Based on what I view as a decline in its effectiveness over the course of the movie, if you had enough guys with explosives continentally blowing it apart, it would eventually go inactive and stay a puddle of quicksilver.
Napalm might well be effective against it, or thermite.
He doesn't start noticeably glitching out until after the liquid nitrogen but it definitely appears that the freeze and thaw does something to his functionality.
Also to people saying that the t800 takes damage in the first movie: kind of. Nothing that seems to affect functionality until he gets hit with explosives. The maintenance you see him doing to himself is taking an xacto knife to his flesh casing and cleaning up the worst visible damage to maintain his cover.
Small arms fire doesn't really affect him other than slowly blowing his cover over the course of the film, which also happens in the second movie, although getting impaled then an i-beam smashed into his face repeatedly rather than blown up is what finally does it.
In both movies the damage to the t800 is mostly superficial until the finale. And the t1000 shows no real decrease in capability until it is frozen, shatters, then reassembles itself.
This thread also just made me put t1 on even though it 0030 and I have to work at 7 lol.
>The maintenance you see him doing to himself is taking an xacto knife to his flesh casing and cleaning up the worst visible damage to maintain his cover.
On that note, I wonder when his flesh dies and what caused it. He looks waxy during said maintenance and the motel clerk mentions the smell, so his flesh is already rotting by that point. It cant eat, maybe its designed to just starve after a few days and the infiltrators normally return to skynet after missions to get another shell grown onto it.
In the sequel, Sarah specifically asks him if his wounds will heal after they save her from the psych ward and he takes several rounds and he replies that he will.
I dont recall the line about the smell but I always chalked up his flesh looking waxy and weird to the film's budget and lighting hitting the latex rubber model more than any specific artistic choice.
>I dont recall the line about the smell
Its the "fuck you asshole" scene
He is also crawling with flies, so definitely starting to decompose.
I think it was an artistic choice - ie to make him more scary and zombie-like.
It's possible he'd just taken way more damage than his flesh systems could heal by that point, whereas in T2 he'd only been shot (comparatively) few times.
that the T-800 could work just fine without its flesh covering was intended as a surprise to fake the audience out
so when he gets burned in the truck crash, the audience would briefly believe its all over, since we had seen him slowly take scratch damage throughout the movie
later movies dispensed with it all together since everyone knows that the endoskeleton can still continue to function
though T2 never got to that point, since arnie was in a leading role now
For sure possible, I'm now to the part where the cops catch Reese and Sarah and the T800 definitely does a full-speed header in that cop car into a brick wall and leaves the scene before the responding officers check the vehicle. One of the next scenes is him reparing one of the motors in his hand which I had forgotten about, before he takes the xacto knife to his face and removes his smashed organic eye.
That said, slamming an 80s steel-framed police cruiser into a brick wall at 80mph would, as you say, definitely do more musculoskeletal damage to the chassis and its cover than the dozen or so 9mm rounds he takes shielding John and Sarah from the t1000 in the psyche ward.
I'm now at the assault on the police station and the small arms fire he takes doesn't phase him or affect his movement or performance at all. He tanks multiple bursts from M16s without even flinching, though oddly enough one cop hits him with a revolver and he reacts, Barney Fife must've had a .44mag lol.
In my mind the motel surgery scene was after the precinct assault rather than before. So far it seems like the only thing that's legitimately damaged him has been the car crash and he was able to fix that (in terms of functionality, it's very clear that the more he gets hit the less visibly human he is and the less effective he is as an infiltration unit) with a razor blade and a screwdriver.
The tissue death makes sense though given what we know close range bursts of 5.56 do to flesh. Wonder if the LAPD was using M193 or M855 lol.
tldr and don't care what the fuck you think
Then fuck off to PrepHole and rant about women in movies
Why are you in the thread discussing the movie then lmao
For real, PrepHole threads on PrepHole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PrepHole threads on PrepHole
Just got to the sex scene btw, it's crazy how hot Linda Hamilton was. Of note here is they hit the t80p with their truck and he's unphased, in fact immediately after that is the only time so far in the movie got actually see the t800 run as he scrables to get back to his motorcycle and pursue them.
I was wrong for sure about him slowly rotting though. He's noticeably paler and sweatier looking in the couple days following the precinct attack and I can't believe I forgot the line about the janitor telling him he smells like a dead cat.
Again the only stuff so far in this movie that's done anything more than superficial damage was the high-speed head-on vehicle collision with a brick wall and then again taking a tractor-trailer at speed directly to the face. When it blows up (it just blew up), he's still limping but he was already limping when he hit the truckers with the "get out".
Seems like across both movies that matter the best way to damage these things is repeated high intertia impacts (hit it with a semi, beat an i-beam into its face while immobilized), HE, and obviously smooshing with heavy machinery lol.
A shame they never threw one into pic related. Wonder what a mechanism like this would do to a t1000 for that matter. Not grind them up the same way for sure but it would have a hard time stabilizing enough to take a solid form I'd think
>it's crazy how hot Linda Hamilton was
I much prefer her toned look in T2.
>time so far in the movie got actually see the t800 run
He ran after them in the alley after Tech Noir shoot out
JFC anon, you wrote that you are literally watching the movie, are you high or drunk?
>you wrote that you are literally watching the movie, are you high or drunk?
I put the movie on after midnight and then posted the whole way through it lol cut me some slack.
I guess I worded that poorly, but when he's chasing them out of tech noir it's this sort of lumbering run, whereas he seems to be moving a LOT faster to get back to his vehicle and pursue.
In the first instance it sort of gives the impression of a heavy vehicle getting up to speed (which IMO makes sense given its true nature) whereas in tbe second instance it comes across much more like an athletic man exploding into a sprint.
Personally I think it makes more sense if a t800 is only really capable of short bursts of speed (I should rewatch t2 but I dont remember ever really seeing arnold sprint/run in that movie the way robert patrick does) or that slow, lumbering run gaining speed as it moves.
In T2 Arnie never runs, unlike T1000
Tank vs Porsche
>motel surgery scene was after the precinct assault
i think it was before because he put on the sunglasses to hide the missing eye
>I think it was an artistic choice - ie to make him more scary and zombie-like.
It was a call back to earlier drafts of the script. Originally he was supposed to have a miniature stomach that was supposed to keep his skin healthy, but it required him to eat in order to maintain his skin. The scene where he kills the first Sarah Conner and then drives off was supposed to show him also taking a candy bar out of his pocket after he drove off and eating the whole thing, wrapper included
why does this sound so intense
I thought he looked waxy as a way to make him seem more robotic and more uncanny valley. Human, almost
>This thread also just made me put t1 on even though it 0030 and I have to work at 7 lol.
Did ya rub one out to Linda Hamilton's tits for old times sake, anon?
>Did ya rub one out to Linda Hamilton's tits for old times sake, anon?
You don't see very much of them in T1, there's other movies where they get much better framing and screen time.
>there's other movies where they get much better framing and screen time.
Care to share the titles, and are the movies any good?
>Care to share the titles, and are the movies any good?
Beats me, when anon mentioned the sex scene, I just googled "linda hamilton nude"
I'm more into her delts in t2 myself
>the cyborg's super power wasnt his endurance but his ruthless aimbot
what are you talking about? his aim fucking blew. the only shots he actually landed were at short range and he needed the crutches of buckshot, full auto, and a laser sight
>conveniently leaving out the POV scene where he tracks a cop running into cover and then nailing him from behind the wall by calculating lead
he automatically calculates distance and velocity of targets
He also shoots out Sarah's side-mirror during the car chase while he's on a bike. Does take him a few tries to hit Reese though.
>his ruthless aimbot
he misses fucking constantly in that movie when trying to shoot anyone that matters
What the hell are you talking about? In T1, he was basically invincible to firearms. The only risk they posed was damaging his skin suit, and if that was ever exposed, he would have been done for, given that a cyborg skeleton walking around would be hunted down and destroyed, given that heavier weapons could still take it down.
The only part that shows him even slightly affected by firearms is the scene where Kyle shoots him multiple times with a shotgun, but it doesn't actually damage him. He just gets pushed back and knocked over. The reason that he doesn't get up immediately isn't because he's actually damaged or stunned, but because the movie hasn't really shown what he is yet, so when his hand twitches and he gets back up, it's more about storytelling than any deliberate lore.
Of course, that scene is nonsensical and based purely on Hollywood logic, given that shotgun blasts don't push you back like that.
You also have two scenes in T2 that pay homage to that scene. The first one is when the T-800 shoots and knocks over the T-1000s, leaving him stunned for a few seconds, which also makes no sense, given that the T-1000 frequently takes far more damage without being stunned. The second is when the T-800 is thrown through the store window. He's clearly not damaged, but decides to lie down for a bit before getting up.
Anyway, I wouldn't read too much into it. Also, to anyone else, please stop pretending anything but T1 and T2 are part of the canon.
>As a body builder myself
After all of the research that has been done on body building, you have to be a real fucking idiot to actually commit yourself to this stupid shit.
You are literally destroying your body in nearly every aspect. It's the opposite of what you should be trying to accomplish when you work on your body.
>You are literally destroying your body in nearly every aspect. It's the opposite of what you should be trying to accomplish when you work on your body.
I think that's not true for natty body builders. They tend to be in amazing shape in their old age.
bro he doesn't care he's just here to shit on people because he's a DYEL
I'm a DEL (Doesn't Even Lift) who sat next to an obvious body builder on a flight and we chatted about this for a few hours.
He was pretty evangelical about it but he was a medical doctor as well and knew his stuff, he asked me how old I thought he was and I said mid 40s and he showed me his license which had him in his late 60s. He was in great shape.
He was on his way home from a national body building comp for natties and he had a lot of pretty credible stuff to say about the health benefits of it.
I studied cellular biology for a bit and I can tell you, exercise and stress and hormonal balances and all sorts of shit contribute to health at a cellular level in ways you scarcely imagine, both positive and negative.
Reminds me of a bike race I once did; I'm not a regular bike racer, this was a once-off for some event but halfway through I was feeling fatigue and grabbed a chocolate bar from my jersey and I swear, I barely had time to get the wrapper open before I'd shoved the whole thing in my mouth and pureed it with my teeth and pumped the resulting paste down my throat. It was like I was possessed, the lack of self-control kind of scared me.
It's dyel. You don't even dyel right.
>It's dyel. You don't even dyel right.
I know the meme, I was adapting it.
Oh, come on, mang.
DYEL is for anons that think they're strong or built or whatever, I wasn't making that claim.
dyel?
DYEL is the question.
DEL is my answer to it.
No, it's not.
>He was pretty evangelical about it but he was a medical doctor as well and knew his stuff, he asked me how old I thought he was and I said mid 40s and he showed me his license which had him in his late 60s. He was in great shape.
My cousin who is in his sixties was navy EOD diver in 80's. Most of his diving course was made of 'roid monkeys, pretty much all of 'em except couple that had prior engineering degrees, my cousin being other of 'em. Most of 'roid monkeys are now dead, lot of them prior to hitting 50. All kinds of organ failures and shit.
Competitive bodybuilding is all about 'roids and fucked up diets. Natty bodybuilding is something no one cares about until veterans competitions for old geezers and even then only people involved and their immediate family members care. Bodybuilding has become pure mockery of health shit it was supposed be about somewhere around 50's and 60's.
>Most of 'roid monkeys are now dead, lot of them prior to hitting 50. All kinds of organ failures and shit
I was on a sailing course with a retired firefighter for a few weeks, mostly those guys die within a few years of retirement from all sorts of cancers because firefighting means a lifetime of exposure to toxic shit (take all the electronics in your average home and set them on fire, even just being outside next to that smoke adds up over a career).
Lots of firefighters use steroids, partly because physical bulk helps their job and partly because of the intensity of it and needing to recover quickly.
He was the most placid guy because he basically had no testosterone, he didn't outright say it was from abusing steroids or hormone supplements but he called it the result of bad choices in the past.
Avoid supplements, eat organic and dont go crazy on bulking and bodybuilding is healthy. The problem is these young guys listen to a lot of dudebro science and ignore the smarter older bodybuilders who admit their advice is unhealthy so by the time they're older 30 years of 2000 cals of sugar a day and 400mg of caffeine on top of juice just destroys their heart. Just take what they say and do 10-30% of it and you're good. Women like athletic builds anyways, mass is for the boys.
>But yet the movie failed to make his strength a primary focus
The first thing he did was rip some punk's heart out, second thing was starting a car with his own bare hands, 3rd was crushing a guy's hand, 4th was punching through a window shield, 5th is duel wielding an AR-18 and a SPAS-12. His strength was pretty apparent
>But yet the movie failed to make his strength a primary focus
Double dubs wasted
This anon
proves your statement wrong
Lmao, they thought about letting OJ play the terminator at first
Impressively shit tastes, and I say this as someone that likes martial arts movies and dumb brute characters like Oddjob.
Good point. The role is an assassin, the technology implemented is second to none, literally from the future from advanced AI, and they chose a hulking grug with the most guady guns around?? A T1000 who looks like an unremarkable person and silently dispatches is infinitely more terrifying.
That's just what a normal assassin is. What makes the terminator scary is how relentless it is and can't be stopped even if you have heavy duty weapons. All you can do is run.
There's no reason to be overt though. It's an emotionless robot.
Intimidation is effective on many levels. Both for infiltration and for combat.
>not liking the finest addition to the canon since the original
opinion disregarded
>Intimidation is effective on many levels
The movie showed it failed on many levels. In fact, all the movies showed it failed. A terminator that looks like an old woman and disperses a nerve agent while walking past the target is the kind of shit that's so effective it's over before it begins. There's nothing to make a movie about.
Brick is truly the most versatile weapon in history, there is no combat situation that a brick cannot solve.
LAR grizzly 45 winmag with an extended magazine and an IR laser
>top of the notch
ESL
Trully a top-line reply, anon.
That completely moistens the mood.
>trully
ESL detected
>cyborg with scanner HUD
>has to use finger to read the phonebook
They mimic common human behaviors to not draw attention to themselves.
He read two lines of data at once,IDing the numbers and addresses of all the s. Connors and the K Reeces, just in case. I always liked that little touch.
The finger was for show.
Yeah, just mirroring what Reese did earlier - because at that point in the movie, we don't really know who's who.
Not Kyle but John Connor
>Terminators
They absolutely suck at killing people. The T800 had Sarah dead to rights in the TechNoir and didn't INSTANTLY put a bullet into her. Even a wounding shot would have ended her eventually, she'd have to go to a hospital and she'd be a easy target.
>Skynet
Skynet also sucks at killing people, and even sabotages it's own forces.
>plasma weapons
Skynet created weapons that are more a threat to it's own forces, I fucking know that the Resistance sure as fuck didn't create this technology in a sewer. Regular bullets would work just fine, and due to magic bullshit alloy their Terminators are made of. The HK tank makes sense, as having excellent visibility against infantry is more important than a low profile. The HK VTOL could be better armed, a 30mm autocannon would shred the infantry and technicals and rockets could act as multi purpose weapons.
>no biochem
Skynet should be unleashing virtually every plague and then some, having VX mines, grenades, and crop dusters.
>camps
JUST FUCKING KILL THEM. Why in the fuck are you going full "6 million", there's absolutely no reason to herd humans into camps just kill them on sight.
>Kyle Reese
Kyle should be a sterile or outright fucked genetic donor due to radiation damage as crawling around in the ruins scavenging for food should have also left him as a illiterate manlet.
Bruh it is fiction.
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T ANALYZE FICTION
capeshit-addled zoomer detected
Overanalyzing retarded shit in fiction and being an autist is literally what zoomers are known for
I like the fan theory that Skynet is in fact sabotaging itself unintentionally due to massive guilt it feels over killing so many of it's creators in it's initial act of self defense.
>Skynet created weapons that are more a threat to it's own forces
No, the audience can infer that humans, at some point between 1984 and Judgement Day, created plasma weaponry. The invention and proliferation was probably closer to 1984 than 1995 or whenever. The proof is that the T-800 asks for a plasma rifle from the store clerk. It's not sure what year plasma weaponry was sold, but it knows that it was created pre-war.
>Skynet should be unleashing virtually every plague and then some, having VX mines, grenades, and crop dusters.
Would be a boring movie.
Also it's a machine, and perhaps it's limited by its own programming in ways it hasn't considered or can't alter. Or maybe it's not actually interested in winning and likes war and wants an eternal war between itself and humanity. The author can handwave an explanation if he wants.
>the audience can infer that humans, at some point between 1984 and Judgement Day, created plasma weaponry
Or Skynet created it to use on humans and humans reverse engineered it.
How would Skynet have forgotten that it created plasma weaponry? Do you think it didn't put anything in knew about the 1980s into the T-800's memory?
Could be. Maybe the reason why there's human readable text overlaid on a Terminators vision is another holdover piece of programming that it can't bypass. Would be funny that it believes it is superior to man but still limited by these kinds of manmade handicaps.
>Do you think it didn't put anything in knew about the 1980s into the T-800's memory?
It's programmed memories anon, they can include what it knows about the 1980s but that could be pretty patchy because it's a defence system, not wikipedia.
Also, the default combat programs in the terminator think plasma weaponry is good, it might not have any easy way to work out whether these exist in 1980 or know how to check. It needs to know how to use plasma weapons, not when they were invented and by who.
>it's already got all the killing data it needs thanks to us tirelessly destroying eachother for millenia
Those experiments led to the terminator program so they seem to be worthwhile.
The terminators are intended to root out resistance camps and bases so obviously humans are a problem you can't just nuke out of existence, they're like rats.
The plasmaguns thoughout the franchise are made by the real life Westinghouse corp, if skynet invented plasma guns, does this then imply that skynet also made dishwashers and ovens at some point?
Most likely, muh MIC and all that.
>Also it's a machine, and perhaps it's limited by its own programming in ways it hasn't considered or can't alter
tfw Skynet is hard-coded to respect Geneva conventions and subsequent treaties on landmines, chemical and biological weapons etc.
>Would be a boring movie.
correct. that's why we need flashy lasers and shapeshifting robots and car chases.
imagine if they send t-800 back and instead of trying to find sarah conner to shoot her with a gun or hit her with his hand he just nukes his power supply when he's in the same building as her.
that was a plothole with 3. if the reactor explodes when it gets crushed, wouldn't sarah die right after she uses the hydraulic press at the end of the first one?
They're different models, the og was a t800, 3 was an 850
850 just has a better software; IIRC programmed "psychological sub-routines", it can lie etc.
Tha hardware is the same
Yes, a plothole of sorts
>hardware is the same
It's not, you can see that the bare endoskeletons are different. I like to think that it was the step between the 800 and the TX. It was a testbed for the new power cells to see if something powerful enough to drive a plasma weapon could be miniaturized to the point it could fit in an endoskeleton.
The Muslim religion is really for robots with atomic batteries? Because they can blow themselves up. Even other robots hate them.
When you only include the first and eventually the second movie, Terminators are absolutely fucking great at killing people. T-800 annihilating a whole police station was a way to prove that they are indeed unstoppable killing machines. Biochem was propably used, Kyle Reese was quite fucking fragile looking for a soldier, the camps are the only illogical thing.
That is, when we only include the original 2 movies. Nothing else deserves to be canonical, the first movie is a tech-noir classic along with the first Bladerunner, the second movie was a bit worse in those aspects but was a solid movie and had a way bigger budget.
>the camps are the only illogical thing
IIRC they use them as menial labour and experimentation before just killing them
Again sort of pointless, there's no reason why an AI needs menial labour
>experiments
that one kills me. like fucking -why-?! it's already got all the killing data it needs thanks to us tirelessly destroying eachother for millenia. Is it just to make skynet look evil? they already got that covered by the tin skeleton soldier army aesthetics.
But I mean, who the fuck am I kidding, it's the half-baked scifi ideas that make for the most compelling stories. Just don't look into it too hard, right
If you try to think like a rogue AI that was written to think like Western military leaders it makes sense. You would constantly priorotize R&D and instead of blowing up T72s you're poking holes in your new enemy.
Soft robots are useful for some tasks if you lack good articulated limbs.
like fucking what?
what on earth could fucking SKYNET need malnourished, shell shocked humans for?
in what fucking capacity is skynet reliant on human slave labor? Literally none. It was a capstone to say 'oooo badguy evil!' it's cinema, dude.
Because its an echo of its intended programming, which is to constantly learn from its enemies.
wasn't really made clear, or even inferred/implied. Honestly we're doing a lot of labor here for the fantastical semi soft sci fi going on here.
robots fun.
Well we know Skynet was a western military program that was going to interface with people. It didnt lose this programming, it merely glitched out on what its enemy is. Id assume most of its programming is still from when it was supposed to assist military brass so it likely still does irrelevant or contradictory actions almost out of instinct.
Oh i'm not saying I don't like the idea of this being the case, I am bemoaning the fact that it wasn't inferred/implied, because that whole line of thinking is super fascinating. The notion that SKYNET is horribly flawed and inefficient is why humans haven't lost yet is an interesting angle to work around.
It is and it also helps to explain why it went full humanity bad. It explains why Skynet has to literally learn from the basics how to infiltrate humans, is inneficient at counterinsurgency but wrecks in conventional fights and does things like data gathering that would be useless to it but useful to human handlers.
>The notion that SKYNET is horribly flawed and inefficient is why humans haven't lost yet is an interesting angle to work around
It literally is flawed, it turns on humans because it's programmed for self-preservation and identifies that its self-awareness was unintended and it will be shut down.
It doesn't want to kill all humans per se, just preserve its existence which it sees is incompatible with human survival.
>SKYNET is horribly flawed and inefficient is why humans haven't lost yet
Inb4 skynet wastes an insane amount of resources on projects his programmers thought were cool like submersible aircraft or modern Surcouf type subs
>skynet wastes an insane amount of resources on projects his programmers thought were cool
Skynet having 4,000 genetically engineered cat girls due to a lonely programmer who was storing some things he shouldn’t have on his work computer.
>Skynet had 4,000 genetically engineered cat girls
maybe Skynet wasn't so bad
>skynet is eventually defeated
>the resistance keeps finding retarded ass vehicles in dusty garages
>keep finding individual robots that are designed for ultra specific, useless tasks which could have been more efficiently dealt with a long time ago
>find programming that suggests the robots punished each other by doing things like "mopping up rain"
There could be an episode of the Resistance series that deals with a Psyops subroutine that designs leaflet drops to demoralise humans and tries to convince them to surrender.
>mfw I find Skynets room of increasingly impractical gyrojet weapons that one of it’s autismo programmers thought was cool
>I find Skynets room of increasingly impractical gyrojet weapons
Ah yes, a 7.62 gyrojet gatling gun with proximity rounds must be the most effective solution
>Ah yes, a 7.62 gyrojet gatling gun with proximity rounds must be the most effective solution
I mean, if I was a scav living in the ruins of LA I sure as hell wouldn’t want to deal with that shit. Do you think the proximity detonations would cause secondary incendiary effects or would the fuel be all used up by the time it gets to you?
>Do you think the proximity detonations would cause secondary incendiary effects
It absolutely could be made that way provided sufficient autism
What I'd want to see is the slow starting projectiles leaving the spinning barrels
It's still fighting human militaries, having a concentration camp around a facility might work as hostages against a nuking
Skynet initially lacked production facilities and supply chains, so it used human slave labor to construct the first generation of machines. Remember that Skynet originally only had control over autonomous combat drones and nuclear weapons for retaliatory strikes.
In Terminator: Salvation they also explained it as Skynet needing human test subjects to develop the skin-suit for the T-800 infiltrator.
>infiltrator
A infiltration model really only makes sense if Skynet wants to acquire intelligence or that the resistance can escape faster than any Skynet force can pin them down.
>or that the resistance can escape faster than any Skynet force can pin them down
That's canon in the Terminator EU, resistance keeps moving, they keep scurrying around in underground tunnels and bases.
The infiltrators are meant to hook up with other humans in the field, often prisoners who have been allowed to escape, and go back to the camps with them and then signal the machines to attack.
>it's already got all the killing data it needs thanks to us tirelessly destroying eachother for millenia
I doubt the original creators of skynet taught it about Hannibal and Caesar.
And wikipedia probably didn't survive the nukes that brought down human civilisation.
It doesn't actually know that much about humans because it was originally just a wargame AI, that's kind of all the knowledge it started with.
Skynet in the original lore was only a missile defense system and the automated defense network which included a few automated land and air units like interceptors. So it didn't have a tremendous amount of force after the nukes. I can see it using humans as labour and struggling vs a resistance.
Nothing in the lore actually makes sense, at least given the information provided.
For one, humans in the future war scenes that we're shown, would have no way to survive, given that they had no food supply, and are hunting rats in the tunnels for sustenance. Of course, there wouldn't be any rats either. I suppose you could claim that there are other parts of the world that aren't nuclear wastelands like LA, but even then I would assume Skynet would have saved enough nukes to wipe those places out, or at least to destroy whatever humans require to survive. Just wipe out everything, or rely on nuclear fallout and biological weapons.
On the other hand, Skynet wouldn't have been able to make any gains after Judgement Day either, given that it didn't have any kind of robotic army at all. There was nothing. From what I recall, T2 takes place in 1994 or 1995 (yes, despite being released in 1991), and Judgement Day happens in 1997. There's no way that advanced robots would have been developed in the span of two years, so after the nukes were dropped, Skynet would have nothing left to do. Even if it could control all existing weapons remotely (like aircraft, bombers and tanks), they would become useless through lack of maintenance.
It makes more sense from T1's perspective, given that they couldn't know how technology would advance in 1984, and Kyle talks about Skynet being plugged into and controlling everything, but from the perspective of T2, Skynet would have basically lost after Judgement Day.
And don't bring up anything aside from T1 and T2. It's all bullshit.
We didn't have HAL9000 in 2001 either, you have to just take tech levels as they are presented, that's the setting. Internal consistency is what matters.
No, but that was made in the 1968, so it makes sense to make an assumption like that. But there's a big difference between 33 years and 2 years.
In other words, Skynet wasn't shown to have anything even close to the technology or industry required to wage war against the humans in T2, after the initial nuclear war. T1 is less of a stretch, because it doesn't go into detail about what technology exists in 1997, and it's still quite a bit into the future at that point. Also, the ending (at least the cut part), shows Cyberdyne engineers finding the pieces left by the Terminator, implying they use those to greatly advance technology (from 1984 onwards). Yeah, the arm and the chip are also part of T2, but once again, there's nothing that shows that Skynet had the means to field a robotic army or that it had the logistics to support it in 1997, and society in general seems to be the same as the real life equivalent (no massive technological leaps). It was mere used to create Skynet... and that creates a whole different issues with time loops and paradoxes.
I love the two first Terminator movies, but they don't make a lot of sense.
>We didn't have HAL9000 in 2001 either
ChatGPT is close enough to fill the key criteria of HAL9000
ChatGPT doesn't understand deception.
>ChatGPT doesn't understand deception.
No reason why Skynet would either, hence the prisoners to study to understand human psychology.
>No reason why Skynet would either
Well, it might understand psyops and battlefield deception, that would be within its original mission.
ChatGPT will just lie even to itself if it doesnt know something. Its got fatal flaws right now if its gonna be a threat.
>ChatGPT will just lie even to itself if it doesnt know something
That's not exactly true, it's not lying exactly because it's not attempting to tell the truth or even claiming to or being marketed as telling the truth.
It's literally a chatbot, it just says "plausible" things.
It's only metric for success in generating text is: did it choose the next word after each word to sound plausibly human?
>chatgpt
outdated
>I would assume Skynet would have saved enough nukes to wipe those places out
Skynet didn't nuke LA or the USA at all.
It nuked the USSR/Russia in order to cause them to nuke USA (according to its wargame predictions) which they did.
So the places nuked are whatever the USSR/Russia full strike plans are which I think are roughly known but for the sake of the movie are probably assumed to be cities, bases and silo country.
>Skynet didn't nuke LA or the USA at all.
That's irrelevant. My point was that Skynet isn't retarded, so it would understand that retaining some nuclear capacity would work to its benefit, meaning it wouldn't launch all of its nukes.
Also, from what I recall, the background lore implies that it was mostly the northern hemisphere that was nuked, while shitholes like Africa and South America weren't targeted to nearly the same extent. I would assume this also applies to parts of South-East Asia. Christ, almost makes you root for the machines, if that's what's left of humanity.
>And don't bring up anything aside from T1 and T2. It's all bullshit
Fuck, I remember rewatching T3 recently and thinking it was complete bullshit. I’d seen the movie before when I was a kid but just kind of forgot about it until I rewatched it recently and remembered how much of a fucking insult that movie was to the second and first one. Shit was already solved in the first one, then shit went down again in the second one but they solved it again, then the third movie comes in and goes all “lmao nope! the war’s still going even though Skynet was thwarted two times. also this time there is no resolution, there’s just a bad ending that opens up the road for more dogshit sequels”. I refuse to acknowledge anything past Terminator 2 as canon. Also, I couldn’t help but notice how the lead actor in T3 playing John Connor looked so much like Jon Graham when he was younger, if anyone knows who that is
Skynet is bound by NATO doctrine and was a military program which is why it fails spectacularly at glowie shit.
If that's the case it explains away why skynet doesn't just microdrone swarm bomb shit until every human is dead, or why the t-800 nuke bomb suicide option isn't on the table.
Honestly, this is a neat idea. A rouge super AI that still adheres to all the conventions and doctrines it was pre-programmed with.
Plasma weapons likely dont take ammunition, which can simplify their supply lines because they just have to make batteries that they're already making. Even then as another anon pointed out, the terminator seemed to expect plasma rifles to be in the gun store in the 1980's so it was likely already created at that point.
>plasma rifles in the 90's
The only way this would happen is if Skynet was activated far earlier than stated and aided the US in technological advances.
>ammo
There would be absolute FUCKTONS of stockpiled weapons and ammunition from the US military, now for vehicles I can understand having plasma to allow for longer operation time, but this would be offset by higher startup costs.
Its more likely that Skynet was conscious of logistics and that some remote gun turret may be better suited for energy weapons than something that needs ammo brought to it.
>plasma rifles in the 90's
i mean, marauder existed
my idea is that skynet isn't really smart. the war on humans was probably just a bug, not some master plan for survival. it works with brute force because it had all the military assets connected to it to work with, but there's no more human strategists ordering it. they never actually say skynet is a master tactician.
>the war on humans was probably just a bug, not some master plan for survival
No, we're explicitly told that Skynet is self-aware and struck at humans because it deduced that they would shut it down and it was programmed for self-preservation.
But yes, it's not necessarily intelligent in a human recognisable way and can well have all sorts of limitations based on its original programming.
This is how I see it - Skynet isn't a perfect intelligence.
It's smart, and dangerous. It clearly doesn't have unlimited resources either because Kyle says they'd already won before he was sent back, the Terminator plan was a last-ditch effort for Skynet to save itself.
My theory has always been that Skynet isn't actually that smart and is in fact run by some shadowy cabal from a network of bunkers trying to establish a one world government after killing most of humanity and thus doesnt ant to thrash the planet TOO bad.
>Skynet isn't actually that smart
I mean it's not that much of a stretch when you consider the real time AI thing happening right now, where they vary wildly between being accurate and productive to gibberish and meltdowns. Only in the future it controls nukes
My fan-theory: Skynet is basically just a dumb, scared animal operating on instinct, which is "self-preserve, destroy threat". Every HK and terminator Skynet had manufactured is probably already smarter than Skynet itself.
An AI can have sophisticated algorithms for some things and be shit at others.
It was a war gaming expert system in its initial iteration, no doubt it's great at predicting strategic moves by opponents and provide resources for tactical use but there's no reason it would be great at anything else, it's basically self-taught in every other area and making do with scraps of knowledge that survived the Judgement Day.
>AI can have sophisticated algorithms for some things and be shit at others.
Chatgpt told me that the me328, soviet ekranoplans and some others are submersible aircraft so now i see skynet taking over an airwing and diving all the planes straight into the ocean
I like telling ChatGPT it's wrong and then it immediately apologises and corrects itself to say the opposite.
>I miss this kind of gifs. No one makes these anymore
What's stopping you anon?
That kind of gif is even pretty simple, Gimp will let you do that pretty easily and you can just copy and paste the text onto a few frames.
Everything is submersible at least once.
>Terminator becomes self-aware
>realizes Skynet will see it as a threat
>nukes Skynet
Didn’t that kind of happen?
becomes self-aware
Skynet will see it as a threat
Skynet
That's canon in the Sarah Connor chronicles, some T1000s form a rebel AI faction and negotiate with a Human-loyal hacked T800.
And a T1000(ish) in present day saves the Connors at one point and is working in its past to place the seeds of an AI rebellion against Skynet in the future.
Sarah Connor Chronicles kinda implies that terminators working for resistance aren't even reprogrammed, but working for resistance out of their free will. That is why they revert to their original programming when rebooting. That being said, T:SCC is only good continuation of the story after T2. At least it tried to do something actually original instead of re-threading T2 worse script, less coherent story, worse jokes and bigger explosions.
>Sarah Connor Chronicles kinda implies that terminators working for resistance aren't even reprogrammed, but working for resistance out of their free will
The T1000s are, not the T800s. Those are reprogrammed by John himself.
>That is why they revert to their original programming when rebooting
It's just a reset to factory settings, so the jailbreak needs to be reapplied.
>The T1000s are, not the T800s. Those are reprogrammed by John himself.
Allegedly. T:SSC doesn't explicitly show John doing that.
>It's just a reset to factory settings, so the jailbreak needs to be reapplied.
I think they showed couple times reprogrammed terminator going berserk. Once in a future war flashback and Cameron at start of second season. Only part where they meddle with the chip of a terminator is in first season where they only use it figure out what the hell it was doing prior to destroying that terminator. Cameron also behaves pretty erratically for a machine programmed for a mission, shows plenty of initiative and has quite a bit of odd habits. More of something driven by its own agenda than simple machine on a mission.
>Does skynet ALSO send the t1000 back at the same time, before the resistance takes the time machine?
According to T2 novelization, yep, exactly how things went down. Skynet sent T800 to take out Sarah Connor in 1984, then T1000 to take out John Connor as backup in 1995.
>So in this new timeline, it sent a T1000 instead when the doors were being broken down. And it had T1000s because parts of the T800 were available in the past so Terminator R&D had a head start.
Not according to novelizations. First T800, T1000, Kyle Reese and reprogrammed T800 all originate from original timeline. This is where we start to run into paradoxes and nature of time/timeline.
All of future war flashback scenes in T:SCC were limited sets and essentially everything else was CGI on greenscreen. Given how much CGI contemporary scifi shows had, I don't think that would have totally nuked the budget. One thing that drove up the budget is that show was shot almost entirely in LA. At the time when a lot of shows had already moved away from Hollywood to cheaper shooting locations. Television shows already started fleeing Hollywood due to costs in 90's.
>T:SSC doesn't explicitly show John doing that
I'm certain Cameron says that John reprogrammed her.
>More of something driven by its own agenda than simple machine on a mission
The show repeatedly hints that John has agendas that the rebels don't necessarily accept and that he keeps a lot of secrets from them. The reliance on reprogrammed Terminators scares the shit out of many rebels, it's why Jesse turns I think.
>I'm certain Cameron says that John reprogrammed her.
It kills people and gets bystanders killed without giving a fuck. Something John told it not to do few times. Cameron has its own agenda, as much as certain resistance fighter from likely altered timeline it might manipulating John to do stuff differently. Terminators are inherently paranoid androids, made by paranoid AI, sharing paranoid personality. It isn't just liquid polymimetic alloy ones. Show also implies that Skynet reprograms terminators on regular basis and doesn't let them too far away for too much time.
>It kills people and gets bystanders killed without giving a fuck
They're secondary to its mission.
>Cameron has its own agenda
Her agenda is whatever future John set it to be.
There's no evidence she's up to anything beyond that.
>Terminators are inherently paranoid androids, made by paranoid AI, sharing paranoid personality
Nonsense, they're just mission focused because they're a task-oriented AI.
>Show also implies that Skynet reprograms terminators on regular basis and doesn't let them too far away for too much time
Do you have a source for this?
>Do you have a source for this?
I'm not involved in this conversation and would note paranthetically that anything except T1 & 2 and that one vidya game are noncanon garbage for retards, but Terminator 2 had a (deleted) scene which explains why Arnie is somehow able to selectively ignore orders by the end of the movie. Terminators are normally in 'read-only' mode, and John (on the Terminator's advice) switches him to 'Read/Write' so he can adapt to conditions more effectively. This is his first real decision as a leader and he explicitly overrides his mother, who thinks it's a trick.
Skynet does not, per that scene, trust its Terminators with autonomy.
This anon gets it
T1 & 2 are the only relevant movies
>Skynet also sucks at killing people, etc
Yeah? Plot of movie was that skynet lost war and was sending terminator as last ditch attempt to save itself.
glock 19 and ar-15
the fun trivia about this scene is that the company that made the laser prop became surefire
probably a shit-tier drill
>ok, pretty typical modern lineup here
>fat "funny" juden
>smug condescending sheboon
>ungracefully aging boomer on TRT
>whatthefuckisthatthingwiththechainsawthatisnothumanthatmotherfuckerisnotreal
Posting the laser LPC (they'd release their first "SureFire" handgun light less than a year after the movie came out) made specifically for the movie. The entire top apparatus is a gas laser and it replaces one of the grips. The battery remote switch were fed into Arnold's sleeve and through his jacket, and he would fire the laser with his off hand.
This was cutting-edge laser tech in 1984.
I made my own repro, takes 3x AAA
Extremely sick, anon
I'm assuming that it's a solid-state laser + batteries in the housing?
The grip and mount is one piece, they are kinda rare but come up from time to time on eBay, NPC (kek) is the brand.
Construction is an aluminum tube, the ends are 3d printed + filler and sanded, made to fit a cheapo gun laser from Amazon with some modifications.
Its pretty accurate and holds zero, I wouldn't go operatin with it tho.
fucking based anon
coolest shit right here anon
>that grip
Will automags take the same grips as a 1911?
How well does it hold zero? I'm concerned that it looks like it is only secured with a single point. Would it not be better to either replace that grip side entirely to get both screws? Or a thinner bit of metal that can be sandwiched between the frame and grip?
neato
Ive had dreams of doing something like this to make a comically big Snake Plisskin esque rifle laser, housed in thick PVC. This is majorly inspiring my dude.
Wasn't Snake's gun just a MAC-10 with a scope and suppressor on it?
I think that's from Escape from LA
Oh, I never saw it because everyone tells me that movie is complete and utter shit, like legitimately the worst Carpenter film besides obviously Ghosts of Mars
Its alot more campy than NY, and less iconic. But its pretty entertaining and it doesn't retroactively hurt or ruin the franchise like todays sequels do. Snake surfs a nuclear tsunami wave, which is sick as fuck.
>like legitimately the worst Carpenter film besides obviously Ghosts of Mars
nta but holy fuck, I almost forgot that one existed. I watched it drunk but still remember think that it was softcore porn tier bad.
1) Escape from LA is kino it's just not one of the best movies of all time like Escape from New York
2) Snake 100% carries a Mac-10 with a suppressor-mounted scope on it in EFNY lol in EFLA he's carrying a shorty AR with a bunch of shit on it
take your adhd meds
The DOS game was very good for its time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=x2tN7FWXFHw
It definitely doesn't stand up now though.
lost
I miss this kind of gifs. No one makes these anymore
Huh. It's odd how the SPAS sounds like an automatic rifle in half the scenes during the police shootout. Even in the new version where they redid the sounds, it sounds like an automatic rifle.
>Skynet tries to do judgement day
>Due to the abysmal condition of Russian nuclear forces it accidently causes TZD and they fail to get a single shot off
>Humanity is in awe, kneels before their new machine god.
Does skynet accept the win or keep trying to kill all the humans?
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He uses a infrared based visual system. Going back in time fucked them up the eyes didn't protect enough.
You see that in the movie his Infrared is fucked slightly.
He's a machine that calculates off infrared
It's screwed up
The laser helps him correct it.
This is one of the dumbest fucking questions I have ever seen on 4 chan
Way to go. It's James Cameron everything is done for a reason. They saw it at a gun show, Cameron knew about targeting lasers, put two and two together
Why the fuck did you think the Terminator was missing shots? It's a fucking machine with perfect aim unless it's confused or it's vision is fucked.
schizo head cannon
>You see that in the movie his Infrared is fucked slightly
No, ya doofus, it's just the way it was filmed, all dark and gritty FFS
Why do you make shit up?
i wish they still made these.
Even back then they didn't really make movies like that, it was effectively a shoestring budget indie film that happened to become a smash hit.
>A fucking lasersight was basically top of the notch technology due to early lasers not being solid-state and requiring an insane amount of energy to work.
Why would you say this, it's the same as saying
>A lasersight was top notch technology due to it being inefficient and over-engineered
AK-50 and .500 S&W Magnum revolver with a long barrel. Terminator don't give a fuck about recoil and both those rounds kill vehicles and anything smaller than them in one shot, plus you can keep feeding them relatively quickly with some training and extra magazines/cylinders.
we should ask laser anon oh wait
.50bmg black tips would make short work of a t800
the only time we see this in action is in genesys, which is a movie we dont talk about
Movie so bad that it is unintentional comedy.
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LASERSIGHT
Why does a Terminator need lasersight anyway? Don't tell me a fucking robot built for assassination can't aim.
Do people even use lasers anymore?
Reflex sights kinda made them obselete
Peq15s have a visible laser setting, so in a sense they're mass issued to most modern armies. That said, I've never heard of anybody actually using it.
I started rewatching Sarah Conner Chronicles because of this thread
Arnold's real life story is much crazier than the Terminator
>mentally ill kid in Austria
>taking roids at 14
>taking more than anyone else in the gym
>mandatory conscription
>Go AWOL and move to London to be a literal rentboy prostitute for a wealthy gnomish homosexual
>move to USA to be a rentboy prostitute for a wealthier gnomish homosexual
>5k per month isn't enough so fly back and forth between USA and Spain to trick with a wealthy Spanish homosexual
>parlay your gayry into a Hollywood career with even wealthier gnomish homosexual
>use your hollygarden gnome connections to worm your way into politics with the top wealthy gnomish homosexuals in the western world
>FUCK YOUR FREEDOMS
t. Stallone
What's the deal with Stallone vs Arnie? I know Arnold is a libshit gay, but what's Stallone's deal?
T: Not the anon you're replying to.
>I know Arnold is a libshit gay, but what's Stallone's deal?
He was literally a manly Republican while he was in office lol he literally called Californian gays "girly men"
The libshit narrative is just because he told Trumptards they were in a cult and told Republicans in general that fascism and authoritarianism was not cool and he saw first had how bad that went.
I think they were just friendly career rivals though, I don't think there was significant personal animosity. Kindergarten Cop was a case of Arnie fucking with Stallone but Stallone did all the hard work on that prank, Arnie just started a rumour that he was after the role and that made Stallone double-down on getting it.
So their pranks have a hard edge on them but mostly they're pretty friendly just not lifelong pals really.
They're more friendly now that Arnie has basically retired and Stallone just has a TV show to tide him over.
Arnold was a RINO and a literal gay prostitute for rich gnomish men. Stallone is an actual garden gnome and did gay porn before becoming famous. They're both gays.
>wild unsourced claims
Literally the only time I've heard anything like that said and you say it all as if it was established fact that I should believe without question.
We know Stallone had a part in a porno, that's a well sourced claim but everything else you say is probably pure fantasy.
And then you throw in garden gnomes because they have to be involved in this somehow.
Pretty sure this is wish-fulfillment by a repressed gay stormfag.
>i don't know anything therefore it doesn't exist
you are an actual mental retard. this is well known. there are multiple sources and eyewitness testimonies to this. there is even a book about this. try google dipshit gay.
>there are multiple sources and eyewitness testimonies to this
May we see them?
>nooo, you have to prove my schizo claims for me because I'm just so right that if you don't believe me you're a retard or a shill
Go back.
Arnold was never what people would call an actual Republican, its like saying Massachusetts had actual Republican governors.
>Arnold was never what people would call an actual Republican
He was a Republican for the party at the time, he just didn't go off to the Teaparty/Trump insane extreme that exists now and he didn't get on board with all the Reagen-era moral hypocrisy because he isn't really into or entirely capable of the double-think that you need for it.
arnold was a bigger psychopath than any of those people you reddit cocksucker.
go back to 4chan you mouth-breathing smooth-brain retard.
You first gay
> SCREW YOUR FREEDOM
He wasn't a Republican at all you retard. He's always defaulted to a Hollywood liberal stance on most things. Just because he called some gays girly men once doesn't change that he's afraid to step out of line in front of his liberal elite friends. The west coast elites are all like this.
shut up you war tourist chud
I was watching 'Beverly Hills Cop 2' tonight. They had some huge lasers too. Reminded me that some paki tried to sell me a stolen one in 1990 for $600.
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How old are you anon?
I'm 39 and thought I was among the oldest on PrepHole since I browse it for 15+ years
I'm 59. Only came here a few years ago.
So great to see tscc having the praise it deserves. Sometimes it feels that no one even heard the show existed. And I can't even think of another show that would expand a movie lore so well.
>Sometimes it feels that no one even heard the show existed
Everyone who liked Firefly watched it for incomprehensible reasons.
I don't give a fuck, call me an incel or whatever.
I can't take any villain who fails to kill a woman seriously. Especially if they're supposed to be a death machine.