>90mm

https://i.imgur.com/ykxIXF5.jpg

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Considering it's a losing war it makes sense for them to make a bunch of cheap Scorpions that can be massed at many different points in the galaxy instead of just building 500 super tanks that will only be good at defending earf or other places such as Reach if the Covenant are nice enough to not just bomb the shit out of the place before moving in.

[...]
it's a fake tank made up for a video game, you should have a nice day for thinking you're so clever for realizing it doesn't look like a real tank would

Japs made their fantasy tanks with low profiles

Are you sure about that?

That's a literal giant robot wearing a tank for a skirt. Should have countered with the retcon Zeeke MBT the "Magella Eins". It's actually shockingly fucking aesthetic

>Ze*n 'tanks'
There's a reason those spacenoid fucks lost the war.

Federation propaganda

>SIEG ZEON!

They are all entirely accurate, you lying space-german.

Not really. Only the original Zeon, and maybe Char’s Neo Zeon really paid lip service to contolism. The rest of them are pretty explicitly “Hey, remember when we fucked up the Earthnoids? Let’s do that again”

>gets proven wrong
>haha you're just pretending to be retarded!
Unlike you. I'd walk away before I ruin your entire night.

>not grab gun go innawoods
Leave.

I've seen those forums and what he said could easily be a thread there. Guess it hit a little close to home for you.

You've proved every negative notion about spacebattlers people had in this thread correct. You come onto our board and you shit and piss everywhere and post nothing of value or interest.

>logically debunk all the arguments
hahahaha lol what a gay. Do you read this shit before you post it?

>Also on a tangent SB went to shit once we were no longer allowed to advocate for alien genocide, leftists don’t like it when we talk about killing all the Lampreys/Na’vi
Was that before or after they corralled every conservative on the site into some kind of weird hidden subforum reservation then banned them?

Not the guy you just quoted, I’m this guy

https://i.imgur.com/5m1bp9Q.png

I think there is a much larger amount of space battlers on PrepHole, they just largely lurk and don’t spaz out when someone says “mean thing” about SB. Although I agree that Xelee is shit because it is just “muh large numbers” shit and are no fun to debate with, same as Time Lords and Suggsverse.

Also on a tangent SB went to shit once we were no longer allowed to advocate for alien genocide, leftists don’t like it when we talk about killing all the Lampreys/Na’vi

but I believe after. Christ ever since that shitshow the site has gone down, I can’t even use Dinosaurs for vs debates anymore because apparently they have no “feats”, stfu I want to make a Protoceratops fight a Chimpanzee you fucking nerd

SV? I was under the impression that SV was basically just the exact same thing under a different set of the same neoliberal gays with a worse UI.

Nah he’s talking about the sietch, I went on it once and honestly it’s not worth the time. It’s nice to see some of the guys that got banned off SB but the entire site just reeks of bitter resentment

tbqh all I ever really wanted out of SB was vs debates with long effortposts and minimal fanboyism.

It varies. For some stuff, especially games, especially games without very many entries, you can get quite firm numbers. Supreme Commander is an example of this; firepower can be precisely calculated based off of the game's mass and energy and their relation to reclaiming rocks, trees, etc; the game's physics and production times are canon with the exception that the gravity is increased 10x to reduce projectile ranges and you can use that to determine real ranges, which means you can determine pretty accurately how powerful a given unit is and how it would really perform. It's not perfect (SupCom is known to have space forces in the lore but they aren't depicted in the game, and there's also speculation on whether the unit cap is canon or not) but it lets you have a well-reasoned debate, and someone trying to spout out bullshit can be quickly caught out.

Then on the opposite end of the spectrum you have shit like 40k where there are no quantifiable feats, just X unit (which has no quantifiable feats) has his power based off of its performance vs Y unit (which also has no quantifiable feats) which the fanboys tout as proof that 40k has Z power level (because X can beat Y, which is awesome - so that means X must be more awesome. Why is Y awesome? Well because it can fight X, which we know is also awesome because it can fight Y!); meanwhile, useful specifications of something like a Land Raider's armour being equivalent to steel armour of W thickness are dismissed out of hand because they don't match the fanboy's opinion of what 40k's power level "should be" ( with zero quantifiable feats).

I got permanently banned years ago for mentioning that I dislike grotesquely obese people, obvious trannies, and people who wear garish hair dye (because I don't really care about them beyond them being an eyesore in public). The ban told me to go take a walk and that I would probably encounter all of those people and not even notice.

I remember it clearly because it was so mind-bogglingly stupid. All the people I dislike are clearly noticeable by their descriptions. My whole problem with them is their appearance. How would I not notice them? You don't just walk past a grotesquely obese person and mistake them for a normal person.

You might want to check out RPGCodex.net.

Made you mad too?

But you're responding so obviously I've got you miffed in some fashion

careful anon, you might have made him cry.

Can you morons suck each other off somewhere else, if you're even two separate people? Every time this thread gets to an interesting point you pop back up to make it gay again.

>reach is canon
No the fuck it isn't. Fall of Reach is fucking canon, backed by multiple media, the book, the movie, and referenced in other books.
Halo:Reacharound?
>you're an ultra cool HYPER LETHAL Spartan that was SUPER SECRET and TOOK ENTIRE PLANETS BY HIMSELF
>NOBLE TEAM, because they are SUPER SPECIAL because every other Spartan team was color named (Red, Blue, Grey)
>Said NOBLE TEAM is issued with Mijolnir despite being Spartan III's, whose life expectancy made WW2 kamikaze pilots blush and Halsey thought that was going too far
>said NOBLE team is in power ranger colors because fuck concealment and shit
>KAT has a cyborg arm! How fucking cool is that! Even though flash cloning is a thing and Spartan augmentation is superior in every way but don't notice that!
>look at the COOL, EDGY Spartan who carved a SKULL into his EVA (a very rare armor set) completely nullifying the polarization that keeps his eyes from being fried by Covenant weapons fire
>look how the Covenant managed to sneak on Reach, despite it being the second most protected world in UNSC space
>look at this cool space fighter, even though it can't break orbit under it's own power and the Longsword is a thing but whatever
>look at all these UNSC weapons that weren't on the Pillar of Autumn, despite it being the Hail Mary of the UNSC
>look at all these Covenant weapons, that are never encountered again despite the Covenant considering innovation to be heretical
To list all the lore breaking bullshit and plot holes would be a thread on it's own, but Halo Reach fucking sucked.

>implying Spacebattles is wrong
That's a very bold statement.

>more iffy
Yeah they became leftist as fuck, especially after the chud mod banned so many people that he got fired for it, and the utter seethe Tom Kratman caused.
>get so rekt that a author kills you in his book
>and he gets paid for it

wormfic?

You don't wanna know, mate.

Worm.
>take capeshit
>make it 1000% worse
>allow anyone to create new characters
>all the characters are mentally ill gays/trannies
>the fucking "villains" are honestly better people
Just avoid it at all costs.

So its some kind of fanfic system. I guess the less I know the better.

Worm.
>take capeshit
>make it 1000% worse
>allow anyone to create new characters
>all the characters are mentally ill gays/trannies
>the fucking "villains" are honestly better people
Just avoid it at all costs.

People get superpowers though suffering. (the MC nearly died after like 3 years of bullying culminated in her getting shoved into a locker full of used tampons and bugs. Now she can control bugs) everyone is a massive cunt and the world's going to get exploded via giant space worms in a couple years because everyone sucks. Its just fucking depressing.

Gigaton/teraton turbolasers and mac cannons will always be fucking retarded

You battle board death battle versus nigs are all alike. You painstakingly curate what information you share with people you think don't know any better to conjure your preferred image of a setting into being via smoke and mirrors. The second you encounter someone who has knowledge to the source material and busts out the depictions you were desperate to obfuscate you hiss and recoil like vampires confronted with the cross.

>Holy shit you're like Spacebattles back at 2013, did you get the news that Snowden leaked data?

>implying Spacebattles is wrong
That's a very bold statement.

SB had a lot of problems back then, complaining about the final cutscenes full of Warthogs was among the worst.

They were literally in the situation of throwing whatever they had into the fight. And fast and nimble likley survived better than slow did. hence, Warthogs.

autism

Half these things could just as easily apply to CE 2 and 3 anon

>put it?
Do you mean put in?
Geez you should go with them

He doesn't he just spews retarded contrarian shit people more intelligent than him but lazier than him have said before.

>Fucktons of headshot weapons
Reach headshot weapons: DMR, Magnum, Needle Rifle, Sniper
Halo 2/3 headshot weapons: Battle Rifle, Carbine, Magnum (albeit shit outside noob combo), Sniper, Beam Rifle
>close to mid ranged game to long range strafe fights
That one was already out with how powerful the BR was in H2.
>Sprint
I'll give you that one
>Armor Abilities
I'm old enough to remember people complaining about the equipment in H3 the same way they complained about armor abilities in reach. The only one I really feel was egregious was armor lock.
>but jetpack
Made you extremely easy to kill. I can't even count the amount of retards who'd immediately start popping up the second I shot them, making them slow and an easy target.
>lore butchering
Look, I like The Fall of Reach too. Was it an asspull to have a cloaked supercarrier? Yeah. Was Emile's armor dumb? Yeah. But people treat Reach like it was the kind of absolute fucking trainwreck that was Halo 5. No one complained how in ODST you could clobber Brutes out of their vehicles or get shot to shit with plasma weapons and be fine without being a Spartan. I don't get why "these SPARTAN-IIIs' are actually a good match for the genetic enhancements, let's give 'em Mjolnir armor to shore up our irreplaceable SPARTAN-II losses" caused so much butthurt. The idea that everything *MUST* center around Master Chief, Doctor Halsey, Cortana and the rest of the dream team is the same shit that makes Star Wars EU so insufferable; no one wants to step away from the big, known characters or the fans throw an absolute fit.

>lore butchering
Bungie wrote the lore around the games, 343 made the games around the lore. One made good games, one released more books than games.

Maybe they were right to do so.

>>you're an ultra cool HYPER LETHAL Spartan that was SUPER SECRET and TOOK ENTIRE PLANETS BY HIMSELF
TEAM, because they are SUPER SPECIAL because every other Spartan team was color named (Red, Blue, Grey)
>>Said NOBLE TEAM is issued with Mijolnir despite being Spartan III's, whose life expectancy made WW2 kamikaze pilots blush and Halsey thought that was going too far

You're completely miss-interpreting the game. The whole point is that nobody will remember Noble Team. It's continuing the theme of ODST, showing how the rest of the UNSC gets anal raped without Master Chief.

bro they all die. Kat gets domed while running through a city. The only one that doesn't die is the one that leaves before the battle is over. The main characters constantly fail. The whole game after the mid point is about preventing people from getting genocided, and they don't even succeed in that. The vast majority of Reach gets slaughtered. Their only successes are getting Cortana off the planet and preventing a few extra refugees from getting immolated.

moron did you not see their shields flickering off because they were getting fucking GLASSED?

Reach should have been Republic Commando but it's Halo.

>reach
Reach is one of my favorite Halo games.

Holy autism

Bungie writers had this weird hateboner for Reach. Don't know why. Yeah, it was an important battle mentioned in the instructions book of the first game but it's far from the only important battle. Some Cortana moments in 3 already made refences to FoR's events. No need to reinvent the wheel, no need to overwrite it. Just set it aside and do a game set elsewhere. But they just couldn't resist the urge to bulldoze what ain't broke enough to fix.

its a video game where you shoot aliens

Not him but Reach was basically a hateboner-fueled thing. It also pushed the aesthetic more to military and less Halo CE-3.

The books are slop, why would you read them?

There's nothing to really defend. Reach was when Bungie started falling off. Jason Jones and Joseph Staten were pre-occupied with Destiny and they let people that didn't even understand consistency reign free on reach's development process.

>Seriously what is the point of playing as III's if they're going to be wearing mjolnir regardless? Should have just played as II's.
They didn't want it to be too different I assume, even though they made tons of other changes. Even ODST was more like a Spartan without power armor because you could still rip off turrets and board wraiths. Fucking ODSTs can punch Wraiths into exploding.

from the halo reach credits:
>MULTIPLAYER DESIGN LEAD - Chris Carney
>MULTIPLAYER PRODUCER - David Allen
>MULTIPLAYER DESIGNER - Derek Carroll
>MULTIPLAYER DESIGNER - Chad Armstrong
>MULTIPLAYER ENGINEER - Paul Lewellen
>MULTIPLAYER/UI ENGINEERING LEAD - Luke Timmins
Who fucked up Halo Reach multiplayer?

Whats wrong with Halo Reach marine design?

[...]
they are UNSC Army

Ok, what is wrong with the UNSC Army* design you gay

Noble probably started with all II's like Gorge, but attrition is a bitch.

S-IIIs are augmented, the process was simply more advanced and safer than the IIs. They are perfectly capable of wearing MJOLNIR. MkV(b) was experimental in order to test energy shielding before rolling it out to the IIs
It's not a retcon unless it's directly overwriting existing lore. There's no lore saying that exceptional S-IIIs couldn't be drafted into service elsewhere

That's wrong though. Read Ghosts of Onyx. It goes into detail. The S-III augs (Project Crysanthemum) were designed to create S-II performance without the casualty rate through a decade's more advanced augmentation procedure.
>Project CHRYSANTHEMUM was the codename given to the biological augmentation procedures performed on the Spartan-III supersoldiers. They represented a significant improvement over the augmentations used in the previous SPARTAN-II program,[1] retaining the procedures' effectiveness but being safer and less invasive to perform.[2]
The only difference between IIs and IIIs in 2552 was experience (IIs had graduated training in 2525) and armor, the latter nullified for Noble team

sorry, brain melt there, mean HGH treatment.
the human growth hormone.

>Interesting given that they flat out DIDN'T match the II's in raw ability
The point is that they DO, lol. Pound for pound, out of armor, a S-III is physically equal to an S-II. Simple as, end of. That's pretty much the point of the S-III program, to make a fuckton of IIs really fast.
>Looks more like that statement was part bullshit because it was so much more successful they glossed over some issues.
wdhmbt
>I don't think the III's ever got the HMG treatment anon, and some of the things that were done to the II's just... doesn't seem possible to have been made safer via stretching it out.
wdhmbt
>They basically said that some of that stuff magically worked because.... "
welcome to storytelling
or are you under the impression that one fiction supersoldier augmentation is more realistic than another fiction supersoldier augmentation because reasons

Well, things like advanced hypersdrive tech, armor, and weapons and stuff evolved throughout the war. I think a worse failure is that literally all that shit is a Halsey project or related to a Halsey project

welcome to SHITTY story telling.
little wonder they killed them off as soon as possible.
classic way to cover up shittily written characters.

[...]
>can be inferred
no it can't, unless you are fully swallowing the "magic DRUG does everything!" pill.
they gave them enough HGH to make them bigger since they were augmenting them pre puberty, and decided to do their shit earlier.
and even then they never seemed to get as big.
spartan IIs were usually shown as being bigger and bulkier than IIIs.
this is reflected in their official heights as well, not just the game depictions.
the average spartan II was half a foot taller than the average spartan III.

but I will concede part of their issue was likely the lack of proper armor like the II's got.
which is still fucking retarded, since it ultimately DID make them less capable. but then the entire premise seems to have been to make a "failed" series from the start, and that likely influenced the writing.

They killed most of them off because that's what they were made to be - expendable. Just because you don't like them doesn't make the storytelling bad.

>no it can't
Yes it can, as they recieved HGH in shot form pre-augmentation rather than in implant form during augmentation
>unless you are fully swallowing the "magic DRUG does everything" pill
yet you have no objection to the "magic SURGERY does everything" pill?
>and even then they never seemed to get as big
>the average spartan II was half a foot taller than the average spartan III
This isn't really true, there is no real "average" height in any spartan group. John is 6' 10" out of armor, Noble 6 is 6' 9". Outliers like Sam and Jorge are not the norm at like 8ft.
>which is still fucking retarded, since it ultimately DID make them less capable. but then the entire premise seems to have been to make a "failed" series
The purpose of the IIIs was to make a "cheap" and "expendable" series. Maybe you could have wrecked that covenant shipyard at a loss of 100 armored S-IIs vs 300 unarmored S-IIIs, but the total loss of the attacking force was almost guaranteed and they couldn't afford to lose 100 S-IIs even if they had them. The S-IIIs were meant to accomplish suicide missions that the ODSTs couldn't handle. It's not like the IIIs don't have their feats anyway, a 13 y/o III effortlessly murdered an elite after tearing the door after his faulty drop pod when John almost got killed by an Elite Minor at the same age despite being backed up by his team

Technically, you could do pretty much anything with the right chemicals in the right places. The superconducting fibrification of neural dendrites was done with magic chemicals from the start IIRC
Ceramic ossification with plates was dumb from the start, if it's 2552 we could have just done that with chemicals too (they stole that from 40k as well)
Actually a bunch of these are straight up stolen from 40k

This is 2500s tech so it doesn't really need to seem realistic to you. You would be sharting over depictions of cell phones in the 60s
>chemicals don't accomplish that.
The description of the IIIs nerve augs implies that they are filled with a superconducting colloidal solution, which could easily accomplish the same thing in universe

So the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine is more acceptable to you? How about octanitrocubane charges? Injectable tracker solutions? Biofoam?
It's fucking fiction. If it worked in real life we would have done it already. That they put the effort in to make it SOUND plausible makes it good writing. If they could inject a colloidal superconductor into the nerves to make them more conductive, why not? They can rip holes in the fabric of space, they can probably make nerves go fast

sorry, making rings of unstable nitrogren.
nitrogen doesn't like being bonded with itself.
really makes it feel cooped up, like it just needs to go.... free.
free with a big ol burst of fission energy.

It was the same futuristic medi-jargon from the beginning. 500 years in the future, you think they won't have figured out a way to do exactly that? Would you rather they just shit out some "muh nanobots" handwavium?
>why wouldn't it?
because it's stupid to think that chemical bonds could possibly have higher yields than nuclear fission
>its expanding foam that numbs and sets for a time.
>no, my point has remained the same.
ok and your point is still wrong. it is described as tissue-regenerative, aka "how do we make it so this guy who just got impaled by a brute doesn't die choking on his own blood? bio-handwavium, of course!"
you seem to be too drunk to comprehend anything I'm saying, and on fucking Tuesday no less

Stay on your toes drunk man I have read almost every page on halopedia

my dude I am trying to fucking SEPARATE the shit writing from the good.
that has been the theme this entire time, yeah?
why ELSE would I have gone this route with the spartan III's and their lazy writing?

Bungie wrote in the S-IIIs and their augmentation process

world and combat, sorry.
there is a beauty and balance to writing scifi, man.
you gotta hold that balance across the rope you wove.

k, but the point of the IIIs were to be the next step in the program. they had to be made to be safer, cheaper, and easier to produce. very few options exist other than muh nanobots or muh drugs. Physiopharmaceutical augmentation as a scifi concept existed at least as far back as Deus Ex so it's not unprecedented and nobody else seems to have a problem with its realism except for you

Less washouts was a part of it but they also needed them cheaper (hence SPI) and they needed them NOW (hence why they were deployed at like 12-13)

It was the same futuristic medi-jargon from the beginning. 500 years in the future, you think they won't have figured out a way to do exactly that? Would you rather they just shit out some "muh nanobots" handwavium?
>why wouldn't it?
because it's stupid to think that chemical bonds could possibly have higher yields than nuclear fission
>its expanding foam that numbs and sets for a time.
>no, my point has remained the same.
ok and your point is still wrong. it is described as tissue-regenerative, aka "how do we make it so this guy who just got impaled by a brute doesn't die choking on his own blood? bio-handwavium, of course!"
you seem to be too drunk to comprehend anything I'm saying, and on fucking Tuesday no less

>octanitrocubane
where the fuck did that appear in halo?
silent storm?
a novel from 2018...
written for what, halo 5?
wait did you use some shitty super nu 343 age crap in our talk about spartan II's vs IIIs?
wtf man

my dude I am trying to fucking SEPARATE the shit writing from the good.
that has been the theme this entire time, yeah?
why ELSE would I have gone this route with the spartan III's and their lazy writing?

There’s some dead IIs found in the final missions and Jorge was a II. Really, the gap between Noble 6 and 117, aside from 6 having way less personality than Chief who they intended as a self insert character, is armor. Chief eventually gets more armor than his CE armor. Other than needing health packs and that’s only because you’re using older equipment in a chronologically earlier instalment, there’d be little to no change if Noble team was all Spartan IIs.

>Avellone grew to love Star Wars working on KOTOR 2
Damn great too.
>Actually, none of us had the chance to play KOTOR before working on KOTOR2 – all we knew about the game was what we’d seen on the net, everything else about the game was a mystery. This meant when it came to the story and narrative, there was a lot of guessing where the 2nd game should go because we had no idea what the first one was about. We actually had to pitch a story without knowing what the 1st game was about, and this led to some rapid revisions once we did play the game because our “well, let’s guess” version differed greatly from KOTOR1 (and not in a good way).
Then when he played KOTOR 1 he found it so awesome that he threw out the entire first draft
>They threw together concept art for characters who only might exist, and whipped up a tentative story around them. When Chris Avellone finally played Knights of the Old Republic he realised how terrible and out of kilter with BioWare's his story had been, and flung it into the bin. He also realised something else: this was going to be one hard act to follow.
>"The moment I hit the planet Manaan and I was walking around in the sea-floor I almost threw the controller at the TV because the game was getting so f***ing awesome. And then when the storyline played out..." I imagine him mouthing a whistle. "Incredible kudos to those guys - I thought it was a great story, I thought the team had assembled all the right beats for what made a Star Wars game and," he adds, "they made me love Star Wars again."
Not always it's like this, and passion projects can fuck up too, but it's nice to see developers actually happy and this passionate.

What counts as Homo Sapiens here? We interbred with Neanderthals at some point.

In the games master chief can flip an overturned tank. We know he's strong. Nobody's pinching bullets out of the air or teleporting around like they ought to be wearing an orange gi.

Bottom line is the games are the primary canon homie. If it's not in line with the games it's bullshit. Not saying you can't like the books, just to set them aside because they clearly don't match up. If the Chief stabs a knife through armor in the game then great, he can totes do that. Also, congratulations to the knife's maker. Just because he can do that doesn't mean he shouldn't take a gun that can reach out and touch someone a hell of a lot farther away than his knife.

Dude, calm down. Would love to see a clip if you've got a link. Anyways power doesn't always translate to speed.

im pretty sure regular marines can flip scorpions too

I could swear there was an objective in 3 at one point that was straight up to flip a scorpion because the marines couldn't get the thing unstuck.

>stab a spartan sized combat knife to the hilt into solid armor plating
The dropship latch in H4 still makes me smile a little even today.
>dropping through air like a bowling ball
>miss a hole in the hull for dramatic effect
>miss like a couple of seams between the extra-armored parts too
>jams assassination knife through seamless part of hull of space-capable Lich superheavy lift dropship, stops his fall instantly.

What? Do you mean MAC cannons? Big ass railgun slamming big ass mass into thing at stupid high velocity is going to do a lot of damage. Regular firearms do it to a much smaller degree due to much less projectile mass and velocity. If you post here you ought to understand this. With the typical MAC cannon on a ship or defense station you're effectively recreating and militarizing an asteroid impact with enough mass and velocity. It's one of the few things that is legit in the whole damn franchise.

The games are the primary canon. If the books conflict with the game then the book claims are the ones that you're supposed to be ignoring.

>game mechanics
>not canon to a game franchise
Do you also get upset when Doom discussions account for the fact that Doomguy can canonically outrun his own rockets while still carrying all his guns and ammo?

>more penetrative than a nuke
Where in the games did a map full of Spartans and Elites survive being at ground zero of a nuke?

Okay, and? Show me the game footage or code for the in-game power of a nuke.

Largest recorded sniper multikill I can find is 23 kills, considerably less than a "mile of titanium and bodies." Show me where a nuke gets dropped on a full map of Spartans and kills only 22. It's a big, dumb video game that runs on soft sci-fi and rule of cool, not a hard sci-fi simulator.

That multikill is the maximum lobby population in Infinite minus the shooter. That's full by Halo standards.

No previous position was abandoned. Some guy multikilled a map full of Spartans.

>full lobby
>whole map's worth
Those are synonymous. That is the closest number to infinite Spartan heads that players can achieve with the current versions of the games. Now show me the game footage of a nuke multikill or game stats for a nuke.

He's right though. The sniper rifle is coded to penetrate an infinite amount of players in hitscan range

It's always fun when people don't realize they're talking to multiple other people.