9 inches of barrel, you say?

9 inches of barrel, you say?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do we regress to inferior tech?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You would have to devise a way for .300 BLK not to chamber in 5.56 guns for it to see mass adoption and everybody but the French and the Finns have a hateboner for 7.62x39

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There is no point in switching away from 5.56 to begin with.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm talking short guns
          Short .277 makes no sense and 5.56 is suboptimal too

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Except to suppress or engage enemies beyond 500 yards, provide additional options in what you can do with the projectile, perform better through barriers, not get whipped around by brush, leverage the optic to be able to suppress/engage at long distances while minimizing collateral, the ability to provide cover for bigboi wepaons at long distances, all while shooting flatter than Sneedmoor

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >whipped around by brush
            get the frick out of here

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They designed a rifle for Afghanistan after we left Afghanistan

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >5.56 sucks after 500
            >use 7.62 memeout that sucks after 400

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you have any idea how far away 500 meters is?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, it's way the frick out there, and the Army got tired of rifle squads not really having a good way to answer at those ranges.

              >5.56 sucks after 500
              >use 7.62 memeout that sucks after 400

              We're talking about .277, not memeout.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Army got tired of rifle squads not really having a good way to answer at those ranges.
                In actual conventional war where you don't have to worry about civvies the answer is mortars, artillery, airstrikes, and now FPV drones.
                Also, the new round has nothing significant over the 7.62 NATO. They could have adopted a Knight's Armament LMG in 7.62x51 because the M240 is too heavy and issued it on the squad level achieving all the goals.
                This whole program is ludicrous. $21 per round ammo, average combat load halved from 210 -> 100 rounds, optic that costs $13 000 and a rifle that costs $5000 when an M4 is $600 and an ACOG for less than $1000. The average price of infantryman weaponry has 10x while the capability has been halved.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >capability has been halved
                According to you, some anon seething on /k/.
                Meanwhile, in reality, a rifle with superior ballistic performance and a literal aimbot optic is going to greatly increase the capability of the average rifleman far beyond what a basic M4 / ACOG combo could ever do.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In real warfare, outside of deserts, combat occurs inside the point blank range of 5.56 so a $13 000 optic with an automatic rangefinder being the only real benefit will perform just as well as a sub $1000 ACOG.
                And the controllable recoil and light weight of 5.56 makes 5.56 many times superior to this new cartridge that is just slightly different from 7.62.
                It literally is the M14 all over again.

                The next war will be fought on the small islands of the far east, in the jungles, in the Chinese megacities. Adopting a battle rifle at this time is ridiculous.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                For what it's worth, the Australians in Vietnam liked their SLR even if the M14 wasn't too well-liked

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like something that looks a lot like 6.5 Grendel would have been the way to go here.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But then there wouldn't have been a need to buy SIG rifles and we can't have that can we.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think 6ARC is the way, 6.5 Grendel has the stopping power advantage but it loses out in the ballistics category and we know MIL loves their ballistics.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or maybe back in the 50's the army should have just adopted .243 as the standard rifle round instead of .308 and we wouldn't have to be talking about this bullshit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Flexibility is good in an intermediate, over-specialisation is how we got here. Plus, if you're cranking up the pressure with a new rifle/LMG it looks a bit different. Bear in mind they're gimped by SAAMI because the rifle people are obliged to shove it in is hyper-optimised for .223. No reason you couldn't have light rifle loads and extra-spicy MG loads, that's probably where this .277 is going anyway.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's no reason not to design both rifle and machine gun to handle high pressure cartridges as the only downside is durability and rifles will have much lower round counts anyhow.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't mean they shouldn't both handle the pressure of all loadings, I mean controllable auto fire should be possible in the lighter rifle, avoiding the part where .308 fricked up royally. Easy enough to tweak a lighter bullet and charge to shoot to same POI within realistic urban/auto ranges. Slap the heavies in if you want to reach out and touch someone or just throw lead in the general direction. 6.5 is chunky enough to do that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh you were talking about bullet weights. Yeah lighter bullet for rifle and heavier bullet for MG makes perfect sense. Moreover the MG loading should be optimized for longer barrel whereas the rifle loading should be optimized for a carbine length barrel.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like this isn't fricking rocket surgery or something.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >not get whipped around by brush
            homie didn't grow up reading Box-O'-Truth articles

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They designed a rifle for Afghanistan after we left Afghanistan

            It was surely made for fighting the secret giants of sumer and akkad

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm talking short guns
          Short .277 makes no sense and 5.56 is suboptimal too

          Except to suppress or engage enemies beyond 500 yards, provide additional options in what you can do with the projectile, perform better through barriers, not get whipped around by brush, leverage the optic to be able to suppress/engage at long distances while minimizing collateral, the ability to provide cover for bigboi wepaons at long distances, all while shooting flatter than Sneedmoor

          I don't think it's a bad gun in and of itself, but I question the maintenance, logistics of manufacturing rounds that are substantially larger and more complex, and recoil. As many have said, as an overall GPR it's insanely stupid in this MK18 configuration and in it's standard as well. However, in small unit v unit engagements as well as being interspersed in small numbers in squads with existing 5.56 rifles would be its best use

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >devise a way for .300 BLK not to chamber in 5.56 guns
        Increase the length of the brass past the 5.56's shoulder, it's not a wildcat any more.
        Please make the MIC israelitebux payable to Anon Shekeldenier, c/o. PrepHole/k/.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look to the rise of the DASA again

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SIG bribes

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Less bribes, and more the good ol' boy network. Sig made sure to hire on every retired brass as consultants, who still had friends in the Pentagon.
        I think .277 was a good idea, but there were better designs for the cartridge and Textron lost the rifle only because they lost the MG due to a last-minute rugpull.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      gas trap actions and 11lb rifles with 120rd combat loads have always been good ideas, the technology just wasn't there yet

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Poors will say to go with 7.62x39 but a 9" .308 wont lose steam after 300yds lmao

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They crono-d it @2700 and some change from that barrel.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we should've gone with .308×1.5" Barnes to begin with

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the "assaulter"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the "sexual assaulter"

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imo the XM7 carbine-carbine should be 6 inches like the Rattler, given it is already super powerful even at 9. Hell, he even admits it is internally based off the Rattler not the Spear. I don't feel like a few less inches is enough to warrant a new rifle especially since issuing a suppressor for every rifle is the future now. Go to 6 or leave it at 13. You can't clear a building with a 9 inch M7 anyway. Mike says it is all the difference in the world but I don't fricking get it

    With a 6-inch AR the ballistics would suck, but not anymore with such a strong round. The assaulter is kind of like the 300 blackout we have at home but able to use the same round as the normal 13-incher. It's neat

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, let's fricking go

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        based fricking quads of ear splitting horror.

        God I want one so bad.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >80kpsi chamber pressure and only 6" of barrel
          yo I heard you like non-service-related TBI and hearling loss

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so are these things just doomed to get roller dent in under 1k rounds or what?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >6" of barrel
            My brother in Christ Hk51s must have something like ~3 inches of actual rifling engagement with the projectile once fired.
            They remain the coolest HK rifle one aesthetic alone, but holy shit do I have questions regarding usable ballistics
            >no, no the likely memeworthy ballistics do not mean no one should own one. They are magical and I love full-power cartridge SBR for now and until Kingdom fricking Come.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They remain the coolest HK rifle one aesthetic alone
              There is another.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"Imagine, if you will, a 21E, but smol."
                >"Why?"
                >"Yes."
                The mind races from the the impracticality and the pure "I exist" value. I need two.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Same, and a mk19 mounted on my roof. Never know when some cyberpsycho will mistake the wind as my house talking shit about his mom.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sometimes you just need an entire belt of blinding muzzle flash and unburnt gas

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why carry flashbangs on your belt when you can carry a belt of flashbangs

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I can't help but wonder if this and the g3 pdw would give you actual TBIs.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The apocalyptically concussive muzzle blast is the first thing everyone mentions when shooting them, and it's two feet in front of your face, and brain injuries like that are cumulative, so it wouldn't surprise me at all. It can't be that much better than, say, doing hundreds of explosive breaches or playing professional football.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The more things change, the more they stay the same. Short barreled battle rifles reign supreme

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s not a battle rifle.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      do you actually think that all scars are in 308? lmao fricking moron

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there's the 20" sneedmore, but besides that they are all 7.62x51

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          holy frick Black person, google dot com scar 16 light. I've never in all my years heard someone so confident about their moronation. jfc, your own photo has a a guy with a scar 16 light, its got a 556 pmag in it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Almost no one bought SCAR lights. It's a shitty rifle compared to an AR.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's a great rifle compared to an M4 with SOPMOD Block 1 accessories, but by the time it was ready it was competing with Block 2 M4s, plus USSOCOM doesn't have infinite money and would probably have prioritized the -H regardless since it did things the M110 couldn't.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              ok? cool non-sequitur, moron. doesn't change the fact that that's a SCAR-16 in that image.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we need to design a bullpup with the chamber behind the trigger but the magazine in front of the trigger. The bond arm bullpup has a mechanism that almost does that

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sig has never chrono'd this
    so sig just randomly decided on the barrel length for this thing without testing it at all? is this what firearms companies do, just do whatever looks coolest without actually testing the performance at all?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      140 grains and 2748 fps out of a 9-inch barrel btw

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The original Mk18's barrel length was literally determined by how short you could chop an M4 barrel without needing to grind off the bayonet lug, so that kind of development process isn't unprecedented.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >5.56 hybrid case necked-up to fit the 6.8 projectile in a beefed up 6in barrel rattler with adjustable gas to reliably feed both subs and supers suppressed
    Tell me this wouldn't be kino. Basically a more versatile version of .300 BLK. Obviously subsonic ammo wouldn't need the hybrid cases.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >SIG
    How did the costco of arms producers manage to hold the DoD by the balls?

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    don't make me tap the sign again.
    https://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/7908/11

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But that doesn't make Sig any money, and it doesn't make the Cold War–era grognards pop a semi over the idea of issuing a "real rifle" again. And it would actually improve rifle performance while saving weight.
      A total non-starter.

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