8mm mouser, who is to blame here?

>8mm Mouser
Actually is 7.92mm.

Why were the germans so moronic to make it 7.92 instead of 7 or 8?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because 7x57mm already existed so when they made the change to 7.92x57 they just called it 8mm ton not have incidents of confusions among the lower enlisted who wouldn't be able to tell the difference between packages marked 7 vs 7.92mm with their 1 and 1/4 braincells.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      8mm came first

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Into 7?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, 7 8 9.
          That's why 6 was afraid of 7.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Into 7?

        8x57 Patrone 88 in 1888
        7x57 Introduced in 1892
        8x57 Introduced in 1903

        As always with military shit, it's just logistics.

        The reason the Germans went with the 8mm Mauser was because of the panic caused by the semi smokeless 8mm Lebel. Germany had the blackpowder model 1871 and needed the a new rifle to handle a new smokeless powder cartridge. They knew that the swiss were retiring the vetterli rifles and developing the smokeless GP90 7.5×53.5mm in the schmit ruben. Germans began testing their own design basically copying the swiss design and ended up on the semi-smokeless Patrone 88 which measures dimensionally as the 8x57mm. So the tooling to mass produce the 1888 commision rifle was abundant and by the time paul dialed in the 7x57, it was far too late and expensive to switch to 7mm. Paul ended up exporting 7x57 mausers on contract all over the fricking place and they were undoubtedly ballistically superior to even the later updated 8x57 variants. The bore diameter difference is so minimal that it was never a viable option to change over. That being said, Spain put it to good use and infantry engagements in the american spanish war and the boer war showed it. Though the loosing side used the 7x57 mauser rifles, that didn't mean they were at all inferior to the 30-40 Krag or 577/450 Both Spain and the Boers had inadequate artillery and logical/tactical competence. Small arms alone don't win wars. The 7x57 and by extension the 7mm08 and 280AI are quite spectacular even today, the bore has a good sweet spot between frontal surface area, sectional density, and mass.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          is that Churchill with Wilhelm?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Kaiser Wilhelm II and British Undersecretary of State for the Colonies Winston Churchill during a military maneuver near Breslau, 1906.

            "Everything tends towards catastrophe, and collapse. I am interested, geared-up and happy. Is it not horrible to be built like that? The preparations have a hideous fascination for me. I pray to God to forgive me for such fearful moods of levity. Yet I would do my best for peace, and nothing would induce me wrongfully to strike the blow."

            ~ Winston Churchill (First Lord of the Admiralty) to his wife on the outbreak of the First World War, July 28, 1914.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >7x57 and by extension the 7mm08
          How are the two related?
          picrel is my 7x57 hunting rifle

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            7mm-08 is a necked-down .308 Winchester
            .308 Winchester is a lengthened .300 Savage
            .300 Savage is a necked-up .250 Savage
            .250 Savage is a shortened, necked-down .30-06
            .30-06 is a slightly modified .30-03
            .30-03 is a lengthened, necked-up 7x57 Mauser

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            284 bore diameter and similar performance with the 7x57 able to utilize far heavier bullets with it's marginally larger case yet lower pressure capacity. The 7mm08 basically replicates what the 7x57 can do with <150gr bullets.
            The 7x57 can shoot 175gr bullets at moderate velocity which the 7mm08 cant.
            On the other side of it, the 280AI is essentially a magnum that can fire heavier bullets are high velocity.

            I handload for all three cartidges. The 280AI and 7x57 are all seated with 175gr or 162gr and the 7mm08 is usually 140gr,139gr, and 120gr bullets. That seems to be the best pairing for the cartridges. the 7mm08 with heavy bullets gets finicky and pressure spikes are common, also significant dispersion. Its happy with the light stuff.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      cause there can be only one 7mm and thats Swiss.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's 7.62mm

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Start with a bigger bullet/barrel improve it's design over the years by making the lands/grooves thicker/taller so the accompanying bullet has to shrink.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its actually 8.22.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just wait until you find out about .22 caliber naming conventions relative to their actual diameter
    >.223 Rem is .224
    >.222 RemMag is .224
    >.220 Russian is .224
    >.218 Bee is .224
    >22-250 is .224
    >5.7x28 is .224
    >.221 Fireball is .224
    >.219 Zipper is .224
    >.225 Winchester is .224
    >.22LR is .223 or .2255
    >.224 Valkyrie is… .2245…
    Also just some honorable mentions:
    >.270 Winchester is .277
    >.30 Super Carry is .312
    >32acp is .3125
    >.25-06 is .257
    >.380acp is .355
    >.38 Special is .357
    >300 Blackout AND 300 WinMag are .308
    >.350 Legend is .355
    >.35 Whelen is .358
    >45acp and .45 Colt .452
    >.460 Rowland is .452
    >.45-70 is .458

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also,
      >7,62x51 is .308
      >7,62x54 is .311
      >.303 is .311

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why is it like this

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Round numbers are cool also bullet diameter is slightly larger than barrel diameter.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Tism is and always has been a feature of the gun world, not a bug

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's many reasons why caliber names don't make logical sense:
        -Some naming traditions use land diameter, others use groove diameter
        -Some names are holdovers from old cartridges whose dimensions were changed but the names did not
        -Some cartridges are deliberately misnamed to avoid morons confusing them with other cartridges
        -Sometimes it's marketing wank to make a cartridge sound cooler than it really is
        -Sometimes the measurements are round numbers, just in older systems
        -Bullets are always slightly oversize so they obturate and seal in the barrel. Therefore even if you pick a good round number for the barrel bore the bullet won't be an even number. Or vice-versa, if you want to shoot an exactly 8.00mm diameter bullet the barrel needs to be something like 7.95

        You should think of them as names, not as measurements.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/EaYNSC3.jpeg

        >8mm Mouser
        Actually is 7.92mm.

        Why were the germans so moronic to make it 7.92 instead of 7 or 8?

        there are three places to measure caliber from
        bullet diameter
        diameter between barrel lands
        diameter between barrel grooves.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Regular non autistic people just call it 8x57IS. It's the same as going "hurr durr .38 Special is ackshually .356 dia".

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honest .308 Winchester supremacy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No. It's pretty middling.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's one of few rifle rounds with perfect accuracy, since it's zero point three zero eight inches in diameter.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do americans call it "mauser"? Are they moronic?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because 8x57 doesn't sound cool in any other language than German.

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