>limited run of guns that was announced when it was still uncertain if it would be adopted or not and was destined to be a collectors item whether the gun was adopted or not
Bingo. Its not surprising in any way that a gun designed around a wildcat cartridge that shares little to no tooling with other weapons and is built in super small numbers is expensive as frick. Prices are driven down by the scale of their production and when you are only making a few hundred to a few thousand for trials and limited sales you have to make that money back from the tooling somehow. People VASTLY underestimate how expensive tooling is for literally any industry much less one that holds tiny explosions 6 inches from your face.
Bingo. Its not surprising in any way that a gun designed around a wildcat cartridge that shares little to no tooling with other weapons and is built in super small numbers is expensive as frick. Prices are driven down by the scale of their production and when you are only making a few hundred to a few thousand for trials and limited sales you have to make that money back from the tooling somehow. People VASTLY underestimate how expensive tooling is for literally any industry much less one that holds tiny explosions 6 inches from your face.
Stop making sense you losers, we're supposed to talk about how SIG is being completely unreasonable and greedy. Why on earth would you bother giving a reasonable explanation for the price tag?
Because dumbasses will pay it. There is always a sycophantic group of losers who are willing to pay 3x what a product should cost to be one of the first to have it. Always wait a 2-3 years to buy something. That way, if there are any design flaws, they have been worked out by that time, too.
But I wouldn't pay more than $1500 for an MCX, and that is absolute max. And I would never buy one until brass for .277 Fury is available. I am not paying israelite prices for ammo.
>Always wait a 2-3 years to buy something.
It's the opposite when it comes to unique guns unless it's extremely overpriced like the SIG and likely to see future production.
Even if the weapon is a non-functioning mess, that just means it will either be repaired or will become collectible when the manufacturer files for bankruptcy.
Why do people pay $2000 for the commemorative M17s despite them not even being clone correct to the current service M17s? Because morons and their money are easily parted.
>Why are limited, special editions of guns so expensive senpai?
Don't lie. If Glock did the same damn thing you'd be boosting it as the best EDC on the market.
>Sig offers pot metal cast by street shitters and has the nerve to charge HK prices.
Sounds like a Chad move to me.
Their israelite CEO knows how to innovate.
Honest question /k/, if the M4 wasnt cutting it due to poor muzzle velocity why not just switch back to the M16? It as a longer barrel, and that equals better velocity right?
Or if 5.56 has been determined to be outdated why go for a brand new round when we still have lots of 7.62 we could use?
>It will be the new standard combat rifle.
No it's not. The Army has already said that the XM5 and the XM157 optic are only planned to go to the guys at the tip of the spear. Other combat roles are planned to keep their M4s.
7.62 is not a good round by modern standards, the only reason it's popular is that it's popular.
assuming you're talking about x51, on full auto (or even not) they're too much for the average manlet zogbot to handle. Round is perfectly fine, whiny c**ts cried too much about bruised shoulders and inability to keep on target. Popularity has nothing to do with it, it's misconceptions being repeated over and over and over and over and over again that ruin good things. Just look at how far Beretta 92s have fallen when it's objectively a near perfect weapon denigrated by morons too stupid to know it's their own government's ineptitude that bought cheap mags susceptible to sand in a desert front, then went and replaced them with nu-sig bullshit fugly p320s that weren't even drop safe, but adopted them anyways provided sig fixed all the m17s and left the civvie market to rot figuring they'd handle the inevitable incidents & lawsuits (70+ and counting) sig also won MHS trials because they were able to offer up millions of discounted winchester duty rounds if they were selected. god I fricking hate sig. what was I talking about again? o yeah 7.62 NATO is fine but fuddlore has left it's mark and now we gotta put up with newfangled cartridges blah blah blah
6.8 can tongue my anus, 7.62 gets amazing results with modern rounds that already break every issued plate on the planet like toothpicks at any remotely realistic combat range. MIC being MIC, somebody got a truckload of prostitutes and cocaine, so this fuddtastic OVERMATCH CONCEPT could get off the ground.
Meh, at least with the steel/brass hybrid cartridge they can actually get more performance than normal 7.62
Sure, they COULD'VE done the same with 7.62, but the 6.8 bullet they're using is much more ballistically efficient, so if you're already moving to a non-standard cartridge to give you greater pressure capabilities, might as well also upgrade to a new, more efficient bullet too.
Needing tungsten destroys the point of the program though. The whole point of moving up back to full size caliber and increased velocity was to try and get AP without needing to use rarer materials. If we still need tungsten, which we most likely do, the entire program would be useless.
The new round was specially designed to have the best odds of punching through body armor. Older rounds like 5.56 and 7.62 didn't even have body armor as a consideration when they were being designed.
Also, they wanted to keep the gun around the same size as them M4, which primarily meant they had to be able to use a short barrel. This is because they expect a lot of urban combat and room clearing. So going back to the M16 just wasn't a option, hence the whole new Rifle and Ammo.
>why?
The people trying to make this the new standard combat rifle have no concept of money or that 8k is a lot
The people are designing this rifle know full that 8K ain't gonna be a whole lot in the near future. Also, they want this stuff to be too expensive for you to afford. That's how they'll get their edge.
Don't you also have to deal with NFA shit too?
So if I'm correct, you also have to pay the $200 and have the gun sit in jail before you can even pick it up?
Jesus christ such israeliteery
>$7,999
they're a lot more than that
the gun shop i went to recently had one in the store and i was playing with it
they said they go for about 40-60k right now because there's only 50 in existence and they just got theirs back from loaning it out to a youtuber
I know at least one chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor was sent out for a veteran's auction. Not sure what the final auction bid price was though or who ended up winning it.
They'd be idiots to not sell it for that much. The gun right now is in peak hype. If the XM5 fails adoption, then the MCX falls off into quirky odd ball stuff, probably with some .308 production to help recoup some costs. If the XM5 passes adoption, then SIG is going to turn these out and they'll lose value.
Even if he is into quirky sporters, there is no scenario where he couldn't sell now and buy it again later at reduced cost. Also your number is off by $20k. They're going for low 30s/high 20s on fuddbroker.
They wanted Beretta to do civilian and international sales, so I think manufacturing a civilian rifle would rely on Beretta being willing to invest in the manufacturing capabilities, and I don't really see a reason to when they probably would sell MAYBE a few hundred rifles at most.
Honestly, if anyone is unironically interested in the XM5, they ought to just pick this up instead when it becomes available. Less competition, with the Army for manufacturing, neato polymer ammo, and you will probably be able to convert it to .308 without too much trouble if necessary and not lose out on velocity.
Dude, XM29 was 20 years ago, instead of improving the concept or inventing something new you got an overpriced rifle with a bigger cartridgee because bulletproof vests are scary.
Barret really should have to make their rifle to looks like AR15,
No, but being a 1 of 50 special edition that wont be on the market for probably a few years at least if you want another one certainly DOES warrant an increased price.
Sure, it's not an $8k rifle, but it could easily be argued it's a $5-6k rifle with an early adopter tax thrown on it.
why do you refer to siggers as "larpers"? There's clearly a philosemetic base of SIG users that don't overlap with tactical gear in any way. Or do you describe anything gun related as "larp"?
Sells out pretty quickly by the few people shooting these guns.
I know a few gun shops out there who own the MCX Spear and buy up all the 6.8 ammo they can because they're letting people rent the gun for like $200 + ammo costs.
hype THMSV
Lead brained boomers gonna be lead brained boomers
Because Sig said so, now pay up. You're gonna help buy some whether you want to or not wyteboi.
>limited run of guns that was announced when it was still uncertain if it would be adopted or not and was destined to be a collectors item whether the gun was adopted or not
Bingo. Its not surprising in any way that a gun designed around a wildcat cartridge that shares little to no tooling with other weapons and is built in super small numbers is expensive as frick. Prices are driven down by the scale of their production and when you are only making a few hundred to a few thousand for trials and limited sales you have to make that money back from the tooling somehow. People VASTLY underestimate how expensive tooling is for literally any industry much less one that holds tiny explosions 6 inches from your face.
But it's not even full auto. It can never be the same gun the army has.
OP got served.
get out of here with your reasonable dedication and logical conclusions.
Yup. It'll be interested to see what the price is if they put it into normal production without the artificial scarcity shit.
Stop making sense you losers, we're supposed to talk about how SIG is being completely unreasonable and greedy. Why on earth would you bother giving a reasonable explanation for the price tag?
Because dumbasses will pay it. There is always a sycophantic group of losers who are willing to pay 3x what a product should cost to be one of the first to have it. Always wait a 2-3 years to buy something. That way, if there are any design flaws, they have been worked out by that time, too.
But I wouldn't pay more than $1500 for an MCX, and that is absolute max. And I would never buy one until brass for .277 Fury is available. I am not paying israelite prices for ammo.
>Always wait a 2-3 years to buy something.
It's the opposite when it comes to unique guns unless it's extremely overpriced like the SIG and likely to see future production.
Even if the weapon is a non-functioning mess, that just means it will either be repaired or will become collectible when the manufacturer files for bankruptcy.
>I am not paying israelite prices for ammo.
You already are :^)
I feel personally fricking attacked.
U should
>I'm broke and here's why everyone should act like me
>I wouldn't pay more than $1500 for an MCX, and that is absolute max.
You're moronic, I doubt SIG could even sell one at $1500 without losing money.
Especially with that suppressor (which yes, was included in this $8k price in the OP).
Realistically it's a $2500-3500 AR maybe add another couple hundred to a grand for the suppressor depending what its made of.
Why do people pay $2000 for the commemorative M17s despite them not even being clone correct to the current service M17s? Because morons and their money are easily parted.
Those are the most moronic consoomer items including the surplus M17s. If you're that autistic cerakote the controls.
The controls are the same color on the current production civ M17s and the mil production M17s fyi.
>Why are limited, special editions of guns so expensive senpai?
Don't lie. If Glock did the same damn thing you'd be boosting it as the best EDC on the market.
Glock has never pulled any of these semetic stunts in its entire history. They've only ever offered gud guns at a fair price.
Sig offers pot metal cast by street shitters and has the nerve to charge HK prices. It's obscene.
>Sig offers pot metal cast by street shitters and has the nerve to charge HK prices. It's obscene.
Wish I'd written this. Almost perfect.
Glocks aren’t good, they’re stuck in the 90’s. Also the 19X exists you fricking moron.
>Sig offers pot metal cast by street shitters and has the nerve to charge HK prices.
Sounds like a Chad move to me.
Their israelite CEO knows how to innovate.
>why?
The people trying to make this the new standard combat rifle have no concept of money or that 8k is a lot
Honest question /k/, if the M4 wasnt cutting it due to poor muzzle velocity why not just switch back to the M16? It as a longer barrel, and that equals better velocity right?
Or if 5.56 has been determined to be outdated why go for a brand new round when we still have lots of 7.62 we could use?
A couple hundred extra fps isn't going to make newer body armor vulnerable to 5.56.
It will be the new standard combat rifle. Non-pogs will be carrying M5 Spears into combat. The M4 is deprecated. Just deal with it.
>It will be the new standard combat rifle.
No it's not. The Army has already said that the XM5 and the XM157 optic are only planned to go to the guys at the tip of the spear. Other combat roles are planned to keep their M4s.
>The M4 is deprecated.
ESL speaker detected.
>t. forklift driver who barely has a grasp on the english language
Let me guess, the anon you think is ESL is a vatnik too, right?
Alright then, 5.56 isnt cutting it anymore. Now what about the second part of my post? why not just go for 7.62? Or is it just too heavy?
7.62 is not a good round by modern standards, the only reason it's popular is that it's popular.
assuming you're talking about x51, on full auto (or even not) they're too much for the average manlet zogbot to handle. Round is perfectly fine, whiny c**ts cried too much about bruised shoulders and inability to keep on target. Popularity has nothing to do with it, it's misconceptions being repeated over and over and over and over and over again that ruin good things. Just look at how far Beretta 92s have fallen when it's objectively a near perfect weapon denigrated by morons too stupid to know it's their own government's ineptitude that bought cheap mags susceptible to sand in a desert front, then went and replaced them with nu-sig bullshit fugly p320s that weren't even drop safe, but adopted them anyways provided sig fixed all the m17s and left the civvie market to rot figuring they'd handle the inevitable incidents & lawsuits (70+ and counting) sig also won MHS trials because they were able to offer up millions of discounted winchester duty rounds if they were selected. god I fricking hate sig. what was I talking about again? o yeah 7.62 NATO is fine but fuddlore has left it's mark and now we gotta put up with newfangled cartridges blah blah blah
>objectively a near perfect weapon
>external single-sided trigger bar
lol
gratz you found ONE flaw, they even said NEAR perfect. have a (you) and no cookie before bed.
Technically, that was two, my dude.
At least FN hides their shame away internally on the FiveSeven
You are the fudd
Except the M5 won’t pen level iv either
an 80kpsi 95gr with t core is going to penetrate a lot of L IV
And yet no one will prove it
And why should they? There is no strategic or tactical advantage in showing you proof.
The army surely doesn't give a single frick if you know either way or not.
m993 cracks level 4 why wouldn't a superhot .277?
Because the army hasn't invited him out to shoot it himself to verify.
6.8 can tongue my anus, 7.62 gets amazing results with modern rounds that already break every issued plate on the planet like toothpicks at any remotely realistic combat range. MIC being MIC, somebody got a truckload of prostitutes and cocaine, so this fuddtastic OVERMATCH CONCEPT could get off the ground.
Meh, at least with the steel/brass hybrid cartridge they can actually get more performance than normal 7.62
Sure, they COULD'VE done the same with 7.62, but the 6.8 bullet they're using is much more ballistically efficient, so if you're already moving to a non-standard cartridge to give you greater pressure capabilities, might as well also upgrade to a new, more efficient bullet too.
Needing tungsten destroys the point of the program though. The whole point of moving up back to full size caliber and increased velocity was to try and get AP without needing to use rarer materials. If we still need tungsten, which we most likely do, the entire program would be useless.
The new round was specially designed to have the best odds of punching through body armor. Older rounds like 5.56 and 7.62 didn't even have body armor as a consideration when they were being designed.
Also, they wanted to keep the gun around the same size as them M4, which primarily meant they had to be able to use a short barrel. This is because they expect a lot of urban combat and room clearing. So going back to the M16 just wasn't a option, hence the whole new Rifle and Ammo.
The people are designing this rifle know full that 8K ain't gonna be a whole lot in the near future. Also, they want this stuff to be too expensive for you to afford. That's how they'll get their edge.
Looks like my ar-10 which I put toget for a lot less.
In practice it's just a gayer scar with a super proprietary and lame wildcat round.
What advantages does scar have over a piston AR10?
Cheaper to manufacture
more weight
less barrel life
SCAR has less barrel life?
AR-10 in 7mm08. Army isn't going to keep the spicy round.
For paypiggies like you and people who bought SCARs in 2009
Don't you also have to deal with NFA shit too?
So if I'm correct, you also have to pay the $200 and have the gun sit in jail before you can even pick it up?
Jesus christ such israeliteery
$400, it's 2x$200 NFA stamps. One for the barrel length another for the suppressor. And of course however long it takes to get your stamps approved.
>Milspec equipment intended for purchase by the government in lots of thousands is expensive
orly
limited first batch run
imagine paying 8k to beta test a gun that won't be adopted
>$7,999
they're a lot more than that
the gun shop i went to recently had one in the store and i was playing with it
they said they go for about 40-60k right now because there's only 50 in existence and they just got theirs back from loaning it out to a youtuber
I know at least one chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor was sent out for a veteran's auction. Not sure what the final auction bid price was though or who ended up winning it.
They'd be idiots to not sell it for that much. The gun right now is in peak hype. If the XM5 fails adoption, then the MCX falls off into quirky odd ball stuff, probably with some .308 production to help recoup some costs. If the XM5 passes adoption, then SIG is going to turn these out and they'll lose value.
Even if he is into quirky sporters, there is no scenario where he couldn't sell now and buy it again later at reduced cost. Also your number is off by $20k. They're going for low 30s/high 20s on fuddbroker.
How much is this one?
As far as i know they aren't actually available anywhere.
They had a product page for it saying it would be available at some point, but that was about a month before the army announced SIG won, so who knows.
You'd think after all that development it'd be a waste to just not do anything with the design.
They wanted Beretta to do civilian and international sales, so I think manufacturing a civilian rifle would rely on Beretta being willing to invest in the manufacturing capabilities, and I don't really see a reason to when they probably would sell MAYBE a few hundred rifles at most.
Honestly, if anyone is unironically interested in the XM5, they ought to just pick this up instead when it becomes available. Less competition, with the Army for manufacturing, neato polymer ammo, and you will probably be able to convert it to .308 without too much trouble if necessary and not lose out on velocity.
I hope some other militaries pick this up. Poly ammo is the future
>Another episode of of /k/ doesn't understand supply and demand
Because it's M5, sorry dude your government choose a proprietary cartridge instead of G11 or XM29 to justify this price
XM29 was 18lbs and only fired 5.56
M5 is 13lbs and fires 6.8
Don't pretend the XM29 is anywhere close to the M5 in terms of actual fieldability.
Dude, XM29 was 20 years ago, instead of improving the concept or inventing something new you got an overpriced rifle with a bigger cartridgee because bulletproof vests are scary.
Barret really should have to make their rifle to looks like AR15,
you can just not buy it
pay the 8000 shekels for your fud-slop goy
ohh and dont forget to pick up some 277 furry at 5 shekels each, its worth it
Mcx cost 3g
Sr15 is like 2900
Sr25 is like 5500
So the extra is just hype
I mean, the suppressor isn't free
suppressor isn't 3g's either though
No, but being a 1 of 50 special edition that wont be on the market for probably a few years at least if you want another one certainly DOES warrant an increased price.
Sure, it's not an $8k rifle, but it could easily be argued it's a $5-6k rifle with an early adopter tax thrown on it.
Honestly, I really want it.
Will buy one once the prices drop and the 80k psi ammo become available.
Because not many have been made yet.
sounds cheaper than $8000
Isn't it a limited first run?
These will be SCAR prices within 5 years and all the cool kids will have one.
Because SIG knows its larpers will pay far more than the US Army does.
why do you refer to siggers as "larpers"? There's clearly a philosemetic base of SIG users that don't overlap with tactical gear in any way. Or do you describe anything gun related as "larp"?
the military have big budget, so wouldn't mind buying a 8k gun and sig knows that
Does any place even sell .277 Fury/6.8 ammo?
It's available in very limited quantities.
Sells out pretty quickly by the few people shooting these guns.
I know a few gun shops out there who own the MCX Spear and buy up all the 6.8 ammo they can because they're letting people rent the gun for like $200 + ammo costs.
>Shig
Memes