slavaboos deserve everything that's coming to them
The gun is FEG / Hungarian made. Hungarians aren't Slavs.
Lol get fricked. I would pay 1500$ for a dragunov. Not a penny more
It's expensive because they imported 80 guns and plan to bring in a few hundred more. It's a supply and demand issue, so of course the prices are going to be jacked because someone will pay for it.
>2MOA
More like 1 to 1,5 MOA with Barnaul and sub MOA with handloads and SB 174gr match ammo. With a SAG freefloat chassis system it becomes sub moa with almost all ammo.
https://i.imgur.com/D5GPlKV.jpg
6k is a low price for an SVD, the greatest rifle ever made. This is actually competitive with the current low end of the SVD used market, tigrs and NDM86 (5-12k). Set it up right and it will shit over any LMT MARS, Stag-10, Ruger SFAR, DPMS LR308, POF DI revolution, SR-25, 417, XCRM, or any other assorted garbage.
>6k is a low price for an SVD
For the artificially inflated US market maybe. But an SVD or a Tigr aren't worth that much. My soviet SVD was closer to 2k and my Tigr was 1.2k. It's not the POS rifle that some boomers and noguns who get their info from videogames think, but it's still a 60 years old rifle that it's showing his age, especially against modern mid tier .308 AR rifles.
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The SVD is literally the first DMR and was created to fill that exact role. It was never meant to be a sniper rifle in the wester sniper doctrine sense.
6k is a low price for an SVD, the greatest rifle ever made. This is actually competitive with the current low end of the SVD used market, tigrs and NDM86 (5-12k). Set it up right and it will shit over any LMT MARS, Stag-10, Ruger SFAR, DPMS LR308, POF DI revolution, SR-25, 417, XCRM, or any other assorted garbage.
>More like 1 to 1,5 MOA with Barnaul and sub MOA with handloads and SB 174gr match ammo. With a SAG freefloat chassis system it becomes sub moa with almost all ammo.
cope, post your SVD slavaboo homosexual >The SVD is literally the first DMR and was created to fill that exact role.
It was pretty subpar as a DMR, though. It was good as a mosin replacement for the soviets but it was really more of a scoped battle rifle than a proper marksman rifle. Fun fact: for half a decade after its adoption, SVD had no match ammo, at all and had to use standard general purpose 7.62x54r ones. This meant that the "world's first DMR" grouped at over 2 MOA, just about as accurate as above average battle rifle.
>post your SVD slavaboo homosexual
I just did? I have more pics if you want. >it was a good replacement for the mosin
Yeah, for PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory. >it was more of a scoped battle rifle
No. It was never used that way. But I think you're just trolling at this point. >for half a decade it had no ammo
Not true. Since it's inception the SVD shot the 7n1 ammunition which was adequate to achieve the desired precision. Afterwards the 7n14 was developed tailored to the SVD which further squeezed out more accuracy, but even before this load it was sufficient for its intended DMR role
>I just did?
not your pics >PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory.
lmao >It was never used that way
It was used in place of a piece of shit mosin, i was talking about functionality. >Since it's inception the SVD shot the 7n1 ammunition
That's a lie and you're full of shit. You should be beaten to death like the vatBlack person scum you are for intentionally spreading lies. >which was adequate
slimy homosexual
1 year ago
Anonymous
Lol you have no proof of any of your claims and he literally posted his rifle. Blown the frick out bruv
1 year ago
Anonymous
Cope, seethe and dilate vatBlack person. You will never be a real human.
1 year ago
Anonymous
i've seen a couple videos, around the time of Mariupol, of Russians complaining about their shit SVDs compared to AZOV having top tier HATO warcrime modern sniper rifles
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ukrainian snipers are the real deal, they've made an effort to train and equip a pretty large number of them and it seems to have paid off. I've read about this even prior to the war.
Just because SVD wasn't used as a battle rifle doesn't mean that it's wrong to compare them like that. If you do, you'll quickly see that if you'd just pick better shooting rifles from your normal production line they'll shoot as well as the SVD does. When you factor in the thin and light barrel and the famous soviet "quality" you'll see that what sime idiots pretend is a "sniper rifle" is really little more than soviets playing copycat with western armies, as is per usual.
The only neat thing about SVDs compared to the contemporary battle rifles is that they're fairly light weight, about 2 pounds less than standard variants of other battle rifles. This is somewhat negated by the awful contraption that is the scope that comes with the gun, which weighs about as much and makes up the difference in addition to all the other issues it has. And if you ditch the scope you're stuck with the absolute garbage open sights that make any talking points about accuracy moot.
1 year ago
Anonymous
2 pounds is an overexaggeration, it's slightly above 1 pound of difference.
>PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory
Oh bull fricking shit. The only mosin that maybe shoot 1 MOA are Finnish ones. I don’t think you realize how rare a 1 MOA rifle in that era is. >SVD shot the 7n1 ammunition which was adequate to achieve the desired precision.
That’s correct. But the “desired precision” isn’t precise for anyone. Only soviets. It’s not a precise rifle or ammo combo.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>That’s correct.
That's not even correct, that pidor is outright lying. 7N1 was adopted in 1967 and God knows when became common among the troops. By that point many thousands of SVDs had been already built and delivered to the army.
1 year ago
Anonymous
My bad. I didn’t check dates. I just know by using literally ever other piece of equipment as examples that Soviet “precision” is maybe up to “barely acceptable” by western standards
1 year ago
Anonymous
>around 2,5 MOA for selection at first
I remembered wrong. My bad.
1 year ago
Anonymous
2,5 MOA for selection at first
And you are still fricking wrong. In what you posted it’s 8-9cm at 100 meters. Adjusting for freedom units that’s 2.89-3.25 inches at 100 yards. So they are 3 MOA rifles. That’s a far cry from sub MOA like you claimed. That’s not misremembering. You were lying or making shit up because you didn’t know.
1 year ago
Anonymous
When did I ever claim mosin nagants were selected for sub moa accuracy? I said around 1 MOA as I had remembered wrong. Are you illiterate?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The Mosin Nagant is around 1 MOA
what the frick am I reading lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
Try to read the thread first.
1 year ago
Anonymous
For a liar that got caught red handed you're sure weaseling a lot. You slimy fricking piece of shit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, you just got caught talking out of your fricking ass. Show me in this thread a singke post where I ever claimed that sniper mosin nagants were EVER sub MOA. Come on.
I had thought the selection for Mosin PUs was for 1 MOA accuracy and I was wrong. I admitted it, now you're the one weaseling around claiming I said things I never did.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Lol you're a rusBlack person aren't you? I bet you are. Few people have the gall to keep throwing accusations after being caught lying so obviously and so blatantly when exposed as a know nothing homosexual.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>rusBlack person
Vatniks can't even own these rifles in their country. If you think that owning a russian gun makes me a rusBlack person then you're just a fricking war tourist noguns.
lol the blatant liar is now claiming that poor wording makes others the same as him
what a subhuman piece of shit. why are SVDgays and slavaboo always like that?
>liar
What did I lie about? About the accuracy of mosins where I even posted the proof of me being wrong myself?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You don't own any guns, posting stolen pics as you shill and lie on the internet only makes me more sure you're some vatBlack person homosexual. >What did I lie about?
Yes, about just about every claim from your shit stained mouth. Backtracking after you got called out doesn't change that.
You are trash and the guns you obsess over are trash.
1 year ago
Anonymous
After all the shitflinging you did I hope you don't turn out to be a noguns. But I wouldn't be surprised.
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/3Mj7klU.jpg
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And this is for rustling your jimmies. War tourists can frick off /k/ whatever side they're on.
Lmao, fricking based
1 year ago
Anonymous
>After all the shitflinging you did I hope you don't turn out to be a noguns
It's always like that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/3Mj7klU.jpg
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And this is for rustling your jimmies. War tourists can frick off /k/ whatever side they're on.
>tfw no svd >mfw yugo cope SVD
Are you the euro with 3 of them that pops up in /brg/ sometimes
Also remember you can report morons for trolling
1 year ago
Anonymous
>yugo m76
That's a really neat rifle. Especially the optic with the spicy air logo for the tritium. I've been on the lookout for one for years but the price was never right. >euro with 3 of them
Must've been someone else, I'm an euro and I have posted them sometimes on /brg/ but I only have 2, a soviet svd and a civilian Tigr. In the future I want an NDM also but I can only find .308 versions.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I've been on the lookout for one for years but the price was never right.
I built it from a kit because the prices for old import ones are absolutely fricking autistic. I'd love an SVD at some point but 6K is just too much for me. >at least it's not 9k for a fricking norinco
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I love SVD to death, but I would never drop 6k on that import with weird furniture, no track record and weird front sight. Also the whole MAC bullshit.
I can understand prices for a genuine soviet SVD going up over the years as they don't make any more. But a Tigr or a modern production RA svd would be worth around 1200-1500 euro if it wasn't for dumb import laws. >build from a kit
Building rifle kits sounds fun.
>The anon you replied to is not me
Oh so it was someone else posting relatively early in the thread who is also delusional about the SVDs performance. Ok then.
Where do you think you are?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Based, but you’re still a lying ass. Why did you ignore this post entirely?
https://i.imgur.com/oGuR2s8.jpg
>It's old af sure but revolutionary at the time. >vatBlack folk think a semi auto rifle with a 4x scope is revolutionary in 1963 >laughs in M1C and M1D Garand
M1 carbines had rudimentary night vision at the end of WWII and in Korea. It was heavy and only worked for about 100 yards but it existed. That’s revolutionary. The first mass issued semi auto rifle is revolutionary. A semi auto rifle with a low power fixed scope is not.
Pic related. A Portuguese AR-10 with a 3.6x scope. From 1960 you absolute idiot.
Is it because you realized the SVD wasn’t revolutionary?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because I never claimed that it was revolutionary? The anon you replied to is not me. The SVD was the first rifle designed from the ground up to be used as a aquad DMR. But the rifle itself is not revolutionary. The PSO optic instead could be considered that under certain aspects like the IR spotting capabilities etc.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The anon you replied to is not me
Oh so it was someone else posting relatively early in the thread who is also delusional about the SVDs performance. Ok then.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>noguns stir shit up >gets btfo with timestamp >noguns runs away
You love to see it. Fricking mirin'
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/3Mj7klU.jpg
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And this is for rustling your jimmies. War tourists can frick off /k/ whatever side they're on.
Based.
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>I just did?
not your pics >PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory.
lmao >It was never used that way
It was used in place of a piece of shit mosin, i was talking about functionality. >Since it's inception the SVD shot the 7n1 ammunition
That's a lie and you're full of shit. You should be beaten to death like the vatBlack person scum you are for intentionally spreading lies. >which was adequate
slimy homosexual
>More like 1 to 1,5 MOA with Barnaul and sub MOA with handloads and SB 174gr match ammo. With a SAG freefloat chassis system it becomes sub moa with almost all ammo.
cope, post your SVD slavaboo homosexual >The SVD is literally the first DMR and was created to fill that exact role.
It was pretty subpar as a DMR, though. It was good as a mosin replacement for the soviets but it was really more of a scoped battle rifle than a proper marksman rifle. Fun fact: for half a decade after its adoption, SVD had no match ammo, at all and had to use standard general purpose 7.62x54r ones. This meant that the "world's first DMR" grouped at over 2 MOA, just about as accurate as above average battle rifle.
Get fricked idiot
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/3Mj7klU.jpg
[...]
And this is for rustling your jimmies. War tourists can frick off /k/ whatever side they're on.
https://i.imgur.com/gjePTwK.jpg
Yeah, I love SVD to death, but I would never drop 6k on that import with weird furniture, no track record and weird front sight. Also the whole MAC bullshit.
I can understand prices for a genuine soviet SVD going up over the years as they don't make any more. But a Tigr or a modern production RA svd would be worth around 1200-1500 euro if it wasn't for dumb import laws. >build from a kit
Building rifle kits sounds fun.
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Where do you think you are?
https://i.imgur.com/FadaeR8.jpg
I don't generally timestamp every single pic of a group just to prove shit to strangers on the internet and it wouldn't have been sufficient proof to you anyway without video evidence (neither will be this).
So believe what you want, this is your last (You).
(Groups will open up to 5+ MOA with the wrong ammo, I will give you that.)
Based. It's been at least since 2014 with Flandre since I saw someone with dragunovs on this board.
Based.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Are you ever going to post any guns? The other anon did. Step up to the challenge you initiated.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No he'll just screech vatnik and hope that works because he's a noguns thirdie
1 year ago
Anonymous
Right here you fricking liar.
https://i.imgur.com/656wjDA.jpg
>post your SVD slavaboo homosexual
I just did? I have more pics if you want. >it was a good replacement for the mosin
Yeah, for PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory. >it was more of a scoped battle rifle
No. It was never used that way. But I think you're just trolling at this point. >for half a decade it had no ammo
Not true. Since it's inception the SVD shot the 7n1 ammunition which was adequate to achieve the desired precision. Afterwards the 7n14 was developed tailored to the SVD which further squeezed out more accuracy, but even before this load it was sufficient for its intended DMR role
>PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory
My mistake in saying sub-MOA. You said 1 MOA. And it’s actually 3 MOA. My point still stands.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh finally you admitted you were wrong just like I did. Good on you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
lol the blatant liar is now claiming that poor wording makes others the same as him
what a subhuman piece of shit. why are SVDgays and slavaboo always like that?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh frick off Black person. Sub-MOA is around 1 MOA. 3 MOA is no where near 1 MOA. You lied, repeatedly, and try to play the victim. You’re Slavic aren’t you?
The problem is ammo availability. Right now per Ammoseek you have three options: >shoot bimetalic Russian ammo from Tula, Wolf, etc. that will be hard on the bore and dry up soon >shoot corrosive Yugo surplus >shoot new manufacture PPU or S&B that is about $0.80 per round
If FEG ever sells a 308 version like the Chinese did, then we could really test the accuracy. Right now it's just an antiquated $6k collector's item with only two real options for ammo that aren't even match-grade.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Were 308 tigrs never imported in the US?
1 year ago
Anonymous
.... Or reload for yourself? It's not hard to get x54r dies or 30 cal projectiles. It's not a magic gun, it's a russian .308 with a cool look. You'd have to do a little bit of workup but I can't imagine a world where 175 OTM's don't perform well out of a given rifle, unless the rifle is objectively shit. A gun is a gun. It can perform as well as the sum of its parts.
Reminder that the cartridge itself is a long .308 in terms of ballistic performance. Same bullet weights, same velocities. You're just paying for a 'cooler' (read as 'different') rifle system. I guarantee an SR-25 gets russian dicks as hard as an SVD does here.
So they already sold everything from the warehouses, that's why it isn't cheap anymore? We bought all the cheap stuff up? I'm sure that's part of it. But even new production AKs and such have all practically tripled in price.
Also consider what's happening globally - inflation is rampant, we had a global shutdown/slowdown of all transit and logistics due to the chink virus, we have an explicitly anti-russian administration in office, Russia is at war with the West, and you're worried that firearms are more expensive than they used to be. Think, man - think!
1 year ago
Anonymous
Don't forget china is having their first wave of actual covid and they're lying about their death counts
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's not hard to get x54r dies or 30 cal projectiles
Isn’t that more of an issue because it’s not actually .308” and is .312” or whatever? So the vast market of .30 cal bullets are actually undersized. That should cause some accuracy issues in terms of a precision rifle.
>More like 1 to 1,5 MOA
SVD and PSLs are DMRs not sniper rifles
theyre meant to supplement LMGs and engage targets constantly and shot hot
which when shot hot is 4 MOA
still better than any piece of shit m14, which is 5 MOA, either because it got hot, or you had the "tenacity" of cleaning it
>SVD and PSLs are DMRs not sniper rifles
That's what I'm saying.
>I just did?
not your pics >PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory.
lmao >It was never used that way
It was used in place of a piece of shit mosin, i was talking about functionality. >Since it's inception the SVD shot the 7n1 ammunition
That's a lie and you're full of shit. You should be beaten to death like the vatBlack person scum you are for intentionally spreading lies. >which was adequate
slimy homosexual
Okay noguns.
>More like 1 to 1,5 MOA with Barnaul and sub MOA with handloads and SB 174gr match ammo. With a SAG freefloat chassis system it becomes sub moa with almost all ammo. >sub MOA rifle >when the standard optic used 0.5 mil adjustments >fricking 1.72 MOA click adjustments >but trust me it shoots sub MOA
Even if the rifle was capable of that, which it’s not, it’s issued with a gun that wouldn’t let you adjust accurately to where it’s hitting. It’s a 2-4 MOA gun. It’s meant to engage people at 600-800m. It’s not a tack driver.
>Even if the rifle was capable of that, which it’s not
I guess mine are magically enchanted then. I never got a sub moa group with its PSO optic, I got them with a picatinny adapter and a borrowed vortex viper to eliminate the optic factor. Of course normal accuracy with a 4x PSO is never going to be sub moa, but the rifle is capable of more.
I might have worded it poorly but even in my first post I said it was a DMR and not a sniper rifle, but I still get 1 MOA at the range, which is more than adequate for it to be classified as a DMR even with it's 4x PSO which is more than adequate to hit man sized targets to 700m no problem (I don't have longer lanes at my range)
>I never got a sub moa group with its PSO optic, I got them with a picatinny adapter and a borrowed vortex viper to eliminate the optic factor. Of course normal accuracy with a 4x PSO is never going to be sub moa,
Then why are you so adamant that they are sub MOA rifles? Basically all of them were issued with the shitty PSO scope, and with ammo that’s not sub MOA. The vast majority of them did not see that performance and were not capable of that performance.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm not adamant they are all sub moa in all conditions, I said that with normal ammo both my svd and tigr from my testing sample of 2 are around 1 MOA, and with match grade ammo I got sub MOA with both albeit not with their PSO scope. I feel like it should be mentioned when a rifle can perform better if the limiting factors are the scope and ammo. Shouldn't most variables be eliminated when testing the accuracy of a rifle?
>That’s correct.
That's not even correct, that pidor is outright lying. 7N1 was adopted in 1967 and God knows when became common among the troops. By that point many thousands of SVDs had been already built and delivered to the army.
Where do you get the 1967 date of adoption for the 7n1?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Where do you get the 1967 date of adoption for the 7n1?
In pretty much any russian sources. I guess russiadefense forums where scum like you reside don't use those. http://www.gpodyssey.ru/oruzhie/104-snajperskaja-vintovka-dragunova-svd.html
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Shouldn't most variables be eliminated when testing the accuracy of a rifle?
That is true, but then it would be better to define the 2 accuracies as "battle accuracy" and "rifle potential" >7n1 adoption
In an older book I read I remember clearly that the 7n1 was developed together with the SVD rifle, but it doesn't mention the years. It is true tho that the SVD performed better with the second variation of the 7n14.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is like saying that a AR15 with a bushnell and tula ammo shooting 6 MOA means the AR15 is a 6 MOA rifle.
No shit you dip, but hear me out if you are gonna drop 2-6k or more now days on a rifle, are you just gonna run cheap trash through it? Yeah the match ammo is expensive but I don't buy a Ruger PR to shoot etheopian surplus ammo through it and I don't buy a draco to shoot match ammo through it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>This is like saying that a AR15 with a bushnell and tula ammo shooting 6 MOA means the AR15 is a 6 MOA rifle.
No it isn’t, because a standard off the shelf AR isn’t a 1 MOA gun. No one is claiming they are. A standard off the shelf AR is more accurate than an average SVD though. >No shit you dip, but hear me out if you are gonna drop 2-6k or more now days on a rifle, are you just gonna run cheap trash through it?
I’m not going to drop $6k on a fricking SVD when I can get a better rifle for a third of that cost, buy a nice scope, and buy over a thousand rounds of good ammo. That is irrelevant to the inherent accuracy of an SVD, which isn’t very good. Maybe the B&Ts will be changed and will be better. But the base design isn’t.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I’m not going to drop $6k on a fricking SVD when I can get a better rifle for a third of that cost
No one is buying them for their performance or for an actual loadout. They are neat rifles to scrath your svd itch. If practicality was the only factor the only 2 guns sold would be the ar15 and a glock
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No one is buying them for their performance or for an actual loadout.
I realize that. But there’s also a homosexual in here defending their performance. And you started this discussion with me about performance.
>More like 1 to 1,5 MOA with Barnaul and sub MOA with handloads and SB 174gr match ammo. With a SAG freefloat chassis system it becomes sub moa with almost all ammo. >sub MOA rifle >when the standard optic used 0.5 mil adjustments >fricking 1.72 MOA click adjustments >but trust me it shoots sub MOA
Even if the rifle was capable of that, which it’s not, it’s issued with a gun that wouldn’t let you adjust accurately to where it’s hitting. It’s a 2-4 MOA gun. It’s meant to engage people at 600-800m. It’s not a tack driver.
Lol no they're shitty rifles with shitty trigger and clanky shift parts that shift around just like AKs
A basic b***h AR10 is superior in every single way except form/aesthetics
I dont think I've ever shot an AR10 that could make it through a mag of ammo without jamming.
Owners always blamed the mags or ammo too. Was funny.
Now I sorta want a SVD, but I dont want a gun associated with either Pidor Battalion of Ukraine or the Sodomite Slavic hoards of Russia.
>I dont think I've ever shot an AR10 that could make it through a mag of ammo without jamming.
That isn’t true in the slightest and you know it. Maybe AR-10s from 20 years ago. I can get a PSA AR-10 right now for less than $1000 thats reliable
1 year ago
Anonymous
> 20 years ago
yes, this is true. I admit it was about 15 years ago and that gun was probably 5 years old.
It's not I am just mad I can't afford this SVD and PSA isn't making a correct clone of the stg in 8mm kurz. In before stop being poor. I would if I could.
if poor is the issue why the frick would you want it in a mostly dead caliber pumped out by only one company at best. if I scrimp my pennies to buy a gucci gun I'm buying a scar in .308 not a sig spear in .277 furry.
M1As are the worst .308 battle rifle or DMR you can get
1 year ago
Anonymous
Just plain wrong, literally everyone who has one or even who has just shot one will agree it's an extremely nice rifle.
Speaking from experience it's more comfortable to shoot than literally any other semi auto .308 I have owned PTR, FAL, SCAR, AR10 all of them I sold but kept the M1A because it was actually enjoyable. Haven't owned or even shot any of the more boutique or rarer battle rifles like the BREN2 or 308 Galils but they would need to be pretty damn good to out do the M1A.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Speaking from experience it's more comfortable to shoot than literally any other semi auto .308
Because you have a heavy as frick match version and shoot from a bench all the time. The M1A is not as accurate, heavier, and you have consistent recurring issues with accuracy and bedding every time you dissemble and clean. God forbid if you ever get into mud or sand. Which realistically, none of us do, but still.
Imagine claiming M1As are the peak battle rifle in the current year +7
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, it's a standard scout model that I have used for both target shooting and hunting for years, and since I have actually owned the guns I'm talking about I can tell you it's lighter than the G3, better balanced than the FAL, slightly heavier than the SCAR and AR10 but not by much since both of those have shit or no irons and an optic makes up that difference. I never claimed it was peak battle rifle I said it's good and I like it more than every other one I've owned. They are all fine guns and none of them except the PTR had major issues, just didn't like them.
As far as accuracy goes it shoots somewhere between 1-2 MOA with M80 ball and 1 or less with Sierra, but I also haven't taken it past about 400 yards so maybe it would open up more. As far as practical accuracy offhand I can only shoot at about 3 MOA standing or 2 on a good day and every one of those rifles could do that or better. The stock bedding shit was never an issue I thought it would be but still after thousands of rounds and at least 100 disassembles it's still good to go, definitely more loose than when I got it but it's still tight.
Finally, yes sand and mud in the action will absolutely jam it up as will just holding the damn thing wrong, but that's never been an issue for me and I don't know many people willing to just throw their gun into the mud and blast off for fun.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I never claimed it was peak battle rifle
Stopped there. Because I said it was the worst battle rifle or .308 DMR. And you argued against that. I never asked what you liked more. I’m talking performance. Show me performance.
Also >scout version >shorter barrel >brags it’s lighter
No shit Sherlock. It’s almost like steel is heavy
1 year ago
Anonymous
Based metagay moron.
Go actually shoot for once in your life my guy.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>no argument
Thanks for proving me right
1 year ago
Anonymous
>delusional boomer thinks his benchrested safe queen is a "battle" rifle
1 year ago
Anonymous
the fact that they dont have a pistol grip makes them shit on a stick. sorry boomer.
>I can't afford this SVD >he thinks he could afford a proper STG44 repro in 8mm kurz, given the extremely limited production numbers such a gun would see
Anon, I...
To be fair to him, actual STG44 repros made from Original WW2 tooling are only 4k, while still expensive I'd rather pay that much for something that rare than 6k for a dragunov that is common everywhere but here
>actual STG44 repros made from Original WW2 tooling
Are those even obtainable in the USA? I remember some anons said parts kits with receiver flats were imported and sold for $4k, but no more are coming over.
I know people like to LARP as crypto billionares or something around here but calling somebody poor over a $6k gun is fricking moronic anyway. I grew up pretty well off and make good money but there's a lot of shit I'd rather have for six grand than a fricking Hungarian Dragunov. Maybe it'd be different if it was my dream gun since childhood or whatever but I think very few people on here can actually justify a $6k gun, especially when we've all got a million other expensive things we'd rather have.
>$6k towards a new dirtbike >Hungarian Dragunov
Yeah this is fricking dumb, lol. It's a Soviet era DMR. You can buy today's latest and greatest for less.
Funny enough a bike is exactly what I had in mind when I wrote that. I really want to get into ADVs but I'm not sure if I'm gonna get a dual sport or a lightweight ADV as a starter, never had a bike before so I don't want to go too overboard or spend a ton on something I'm probably gonna drop in the first month.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Spring for an adv, maybe even a 650. I started on the Z400 and not only did I not drop it, the bike got small on me very fast
1 year ago
Anonymous
I have a dr650, I recommend it to people often.
My biggest gripe with it is it's not a six speed, so if you change the sprocket for lower first gear you lose a bit off your top end.
Aside from that they are fricking great, especially because it's an ancient design - cheap, fun, economical, easy to fix and find parts for.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm just not that big of a guy, 30" inseam, so I'm concerned about the combo of height and weight with zero experience if I get a 650 or bigger ADV.
I started on a honda dual sport and I stand by they are the most enjoyable of the 6 or so bikes I've owned.
Yeah, I hear good things about the Hondas aside from the suspension, which is fixable if it really comes down to it. I like the looks of them more than the other brands too.
>sssiiipp >yep CRF 450, all ya need son
If you have kids and want to teach them, I'd recommend the CRF 250 instead tho
Nah, kids are unlikely to ever happen. I'm 36 and haven't had a date in years and my career isn't very conducive to relationships or especially raising kids. Maybe things will change when I move out of SoCal though, been stuck here for the last decade (not really by choice, took what was supposed to be a short-term job and then got trapped) and women here are a fricking nightmare compared to pretty much anywhere else.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I started on a honda dual sport and I stand by they are the most enjoyable of the 6 or so bikes I've owned.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>sssiiipp >yep CRF 450, all ya need son
If you have kids and want to teach them, I'd recommend the CRF 250 instead tho
1 year ago
Anonymous
CRF 250 is fine for adults also. But you do make a good point
Exactly. I could get an AR-10, a scope, and a thermal to swap to for $6k or less. And I’d end up with a more accurate rifle with better ammunition availability that is much better to reload for.
A large portion of the people who try to make things about money are from urban areas where income is normally higher, who have started making up a large portion of gun owners in recent years. It's a lot easier for someone to drop a couple grand on a gun when rent for a studio apartment where they live is already over a grand.
A couple grand is one thing, six grand is another IMO. There's a lot of stuff for $2k that's either better than cheaper stuff or where there's no cheaper equivalent, once you're up to $6k you're way into diminishing returns and I'd rather have three $2k guns or two $3k guns or whatever for the money. That's all before you factor in the cost of an appropriate optic and some spare mags, which I'd guess are egregious. (Existing ones on the market seem to be about $100 each, dunno what B+Ts spares will cost.)
Personally the only gun I'd spend $6k on is a nice sporting over/under shotgun but I view that sort of thing differently because you're getting a gorgeous hand-finished heirloom piece and it's something you can actually get a lot of use out of shooting clays or hunting. The Dragunov, on the other hand, is a stamped piece of shit that's only expensive because it's rare and "iconic."
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The Dragunov, on the other hand, is a stamped piece of shit that's only expensive because it's rare and "iconic."
No it isn't. It's a milled semi automatic match rifle from a dude who shot competitively at the highest levels. It's old af sure but revolutionary at the time.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's old af sure
True >but revolutionary at the time.
Delusional
1 year ago
Anonymous
He's completely right. The rifle came out in the 60s as a full on production semi-automatic marksman rifle. The west had literally nothing similar. The closest thing until the M110 was adopted decades later would be individually accurized practically semi-custom rifles.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You are supremely dumb and delusional. Literally 0 idea what you're talking about.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, you just don't know anything about what you are talking about. The US had literally no equivalent to the dragunov. The one thing we had close to it were individually accurized M14s (ie, M21), and that would remain the case straight up until fricking 2008. Literally four and a half decades after the Dragunov entered service. Otherwise it was bolt action M24s.
The only other western marksman rifle of note would be the PSG-1, which again, was a heavily customized service rifle.
It's easy in an age of readily accessible AR10s to imagine it was always like this. It wasn't.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Absolutely deluded moron. Massively dumb and stupid.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It must be nice being so blissfully ignorant, too stupid to even realize how dumb you are.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, smart soviets that stole all their technological achievments totally outwitted dumb westerners, you're very right my brain damaged slavaboo friend.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It must be nice being so blissfully ignorant, too stupid to even realize how dumb you are.
Get a room
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'll frick your mouth if you don't shut it
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Anonymous
US and the entire NATO had dragunov equivalents for their entire armies for decades before soviet shit-eaters made theirs. All you had to do is pick a better shooting one out of the armory and put a scope on it.
Comparing it to actual sniper rifles is what an utterly moronic kid would do. Were you dropped on your head as a kidm i.e. 5 or so years ago?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>US and the entire NATO had dragunov equivalents for their entire armies
Wrong. They had literally zero equivalents, which would become a major problem for Germany and lead to multiple rifles being built to fill the role. >All you had to do is pick a better shooting one out of the armory and put a scope on it.
Nice, your service rifle that has to be hand customized and was never even meant to mount a scope in the first place sure is equivalent to a production line mass produced rifle. No wait, it's not the same thing at all!
Yes, smart soviets that stole all their technological achievments totally outwitted dumb westerners, you're very right my brain damaged slavaboo friend.
>nooo you can't point out facts I don't like!
Go back to twitter before you forget to breathe and pass out dimwit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Wrong. They had literally zero equivalents
You repeat this but this just isn't true. >Nice, your service rifle that has to be hand customized
Poor strawman, the rifles that were customized were head and shoulders above the soviet rickety junk of the period.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You know that PSO scope on a side mount doesn't really look good as a comparison to the "rifles that never meant to mount a scope", right?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>dedicated scope on a dedicate mount doesn't look good compared to an M14 that literally has no scope mount
uh right
>Wrong. They had literally zero equivalents
You repeat this but this just isn't true. >Nice, your service rifle that has to be hand customized
Poor strawman, the rifles that were customized were head and shoulders above the soviet rickety junk of the period.
>You repeat this but this just isn't true.
That's wrong. We can sit here all day and argue about it, but your b***h feelings don't matter. A production line mass produced gun that's actually issued is nowhere near the same thing as hand-selected and customized rifles. >Poor strawman
Not a strawman, stick to words you understand or you'll look even dumber than you actually are. That's a low bar to meet, try not to go lower. From post #1 I have very clearly stated this fact. Your ESL ass being unable to read past your hurt feelings isn't my problem.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>dedicated scope on a dedicate mount
lol >That's wrong. We can sit here all day and argue about it, but your b***h feelings don't matter.
Anger and insults, the delusional cultist has nothing else to offer. >A production line mass produced gun
My toilet is a better production line than a soviet factory. >Not a strawman
It is a strawman. A stock rifle that's better than average for standard infantry rifles from the infantry rifle production line will shoot as good as the svd. A hand fitted rifle will shoot like no soviet gun of comparable type has ever shot.
After this guy b***hing about ESL out of the blue i wonder if it's armatard protecting another of his golden calfs again.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Anger and insults
It must be nice being so blissfully ignorant, too stupid to even realize how dumb you are.
facts and logic didn't work and you clearly seem to value anger and insults more. It's the only argument you have offered at all that had any weight afterall. I suspect you don't listen at all unless someone is able to shout louder than you to get through your thick moronic Black person skull. So I will shout. You're less than an ape. An ape is capable of learning and doesn't get mad when it finds out something new. You do. You absolute cretin. >It is a strawman
No, it's not. You do not know what a strawman argument even is. You simply know it as a buzzword to shout whenever you're losing an argument. >A stock rifle that's better than average for standard infantry rifles from the infantry rifle production line will shoot as good as the svd. A hand fitted rifle will shoot like no soviet gun of comparable type has ever shot.
See, this here however is a strawman argument. You are inventing an argument and attacking it, rather than the statement itself. I did not say a customized M14 is bad, less accurate than a dragunov, or anything of the sort. That is your own fabrication.
A hand customized rifle can shoot good. What it can't do is be issued to enough people to make a significant difference on the battlefield. This is why having a mass produced marksman rifle is important. You can argue against this objective fact, but the US and NATO as a whole agree with me and put out contracts for such rifles. >m-muh armatard muh esl
Maybe stop arguing like a halfHispanic Black person and I won't assume you just don't speak fricking English mongoloid dipshit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
lol, pretty positive this is armatard. lying and disingenous arguments make sense now.
russia will never be a real power.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm sure you're sure of a lot of things. That's what it's like being moronic. The problem is you're always wrong.
Armatard doesn't even own guns. You two have that in common.
1 year ago
Anonymous
armatard also sucks donkey dicks and is afraid of his own mother.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It’s just a run of the mill vatnik. I asked him earlier if he even owned one and he didn’t reply.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Post guns, we did after all.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I did. The AR way earlier is me. I’m not the guy you just asked to post guns
1 year ago
Anonymous
>rifle so shit he won't even link it >t-trust me bro I already did
yeah sure moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
Fine I’ll do it again. Bottom one is same as
https://i.imgur.com/7TbRCPU.jpg
Why lie? That was my ar.
Then post it again. I dare you
1 year ago
Anonymous
Burden of the proof is on you, as I already posted it once.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Shit forgot to attach it
Burden of the proof is on you, as I already posted it once.
I accept your defeat
1 year ago
Anonymous
>42kb ant picture cropped from my collection picture >no timestamp
Lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why lie? That was my ar.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No, it's not.
Yes it is. Arguing like you can only compare handfit guns to the inaccurate POS that is the SVD is a strawman. Going into wordy armatard-esque tirades won't change that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Yes it is.
No it's not. Stating a production line rifle is not the same thing as a custom one can't even be a strawman argument-it's a statement. Whining like a dipshit won't change that. Learn what words mean, before using them Jamal.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No it's not.
Yes it is. Claiming that you can only compare the gun to custom ones when there are examples of production line guns is a strawman. Trying to evade the fact won't make it go away, you're a fallacious dishonest vatnik shitter, armatard.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Claiming that you can only compare the gun to custom ones when there are examples of production line guns is a strawman.
Name a semi-automatic production line marksman rifle available in the 1960s.
1 year ago
Anonymous
M1-D. Literally the only mod is a scope mount.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>mod
I accept your defeat
1 year ago
Anonymous
Compared to the garbage that is PSO, i guess SVD really just can't compare, true. No wonder soviets themselves hardly ever use them and instead just resort to the similarly garbage iron sights.
1 year ago
Anonymous
So the SVD is modded too because it has a scope mount?
1 year ago
Anonymous
No because it comes with a scope mount by design from the factory. It's not something added afterwards.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sniper garands were designed to be used with a scope
1 year ago
Anonymous
I accept your defeat
1 year ago
Anonymous
>add a scope mount
So it's not a marksman rifle available from a production line in the 1960s.
Compared to the garbage that is PSO, i guess SVD really just can't compare, true. No wonder soviets themselves hardly ever use them and instead just resort to the similarly garbage iron sights.
You've only ever seen a PSO in videogames.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's more of a marksman rifle than SVD, i'll tell you that much. The PSO is borderline unusable, just like most russian military hardware you shill for, armatard.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The PSO is borderline unusable >says the noguns who never used one even after multiple people who own dragunov told him the exact opposite and even posted groups.
Don't pop a vein, hun.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You own 0 guns, armatard. You're also a stinky mud blooded vatBlack person.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The Noguns is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But tell him to post guns and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out".
1 year ago
Anonymous
Armatard is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a mutt, vatnik, pidor, schizo, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But tell him he sucks donkey dicks and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out".
1 year ago
Anonymous
You own 0 guns, armatard. You're also a stinky mud blooded vatBlack person.
Your turn now.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>shitflings saying you don't own guns >gets btfo by half the thread >let things simmer down >repeat shitfling by talking shit about things you know nothing about as you arw a noguns
Really? Again?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why are you samegayging, armatard?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why do you sit here and whine about guns, when you don't own any?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't understand people who think that if they like x they must hate y.
I like ARs, I like AKs, I like Dragunovs, I like Garands, etc.
Neat rifle anon.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I don't understand people who think that if they like x they must hate y.
He's a PrepHoleirgin. The only thing he knows how to do is rabidly whine like it's a console war. It doesn't need to make sense. >Neat rifle anon.
thanks
1 year ago
Anonymous
Armatard is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a mutt, vatnik, pidor, schizo, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But tell him he sucks donkey dicks and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out".
You own 0 guns, armatard. You're also a stinky mud blooded vatBlack person.
Of course you ran away a second time
1 year ago
Anonymous
Armatard is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a mutt, vatnik, pidor, schizo, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But tell him he sucks donkey dicks and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out".
Why are you samegayging, armatard?
Still waiting for your guns
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, the PSO is fine. So is the dragunov. You just think it's bad because you don't know which chevron to aim with in videogames. You've never seen either in real life and never will.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You've only ever seen a PSO in videogames.
Same as you
1 year ago
Anonymous
M1C, M1D, M21. Portugal had AR-10s with scopes in 1960. Like I said this morning at the very beginning of this thread.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>M1C, M1D, M21
None of which are production line mass produced rifle. All are customized service rifles, exactly as I said.
Here's a Brazilian FAL shooting 1 MOA group using irons. So much for the much vaunted soviet precision.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>2.5" group >1 MOA
lol, moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
You didn't watch the video, there's 1 MOA group. Who's the moron here?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>there's 1 MOA group
There's nothing even close to 1 MOA.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's old af sure but revolutionary at the time. >vatBlack folk think a semi auto rifle with a 4x scope is revolutionary in 1963 >laughs in M1C and M1D Garand
M1 carbines had rudimentary night vision at the end of WWII and in Korea. It was heavy and only worked for about 100 yards but it existed. That’s revolutionary. The first mass issued semi auto rifle is revolutionary. A semi auto rifle with a low power fixed scope is not.
Pic related. A Portuguese AR-10 with a 3.6x scope. From 1960 you absolute idiot.
>Not clone correct
That is gay, but >Not in 8mm Kurz
They said that would be available. And while it's extremely unpopular, it is attainable, and brass can be made from any .30-06/8mm Mauser/.308 based cartridge.
>It's not I am just mad I can't afford this SVD
Very few people can. I “could” but it would be financial burden. Yeah I could not save/invest for 3-4 months but that’s dumb. Spending $6k on a gun that isn’t even that good at what it does is moronic. People who buy this are actually really rich, which is 1-5% of the total population, or idiots with zero future planning skills
It's not I am just mad I can't afford this SVD and PSA isn't making a correct clone of the stg in 8mm kurz. In before stop being poor. I would if I could.
The only reason 90% of people want this is because it was in cawadooty. There’s no appeal to it other than looks and rarity so you can flex in poorgays at the range.
6k is a low price for an SVD, the greatest rifle ever made. This is actually competitive with the current low end of the SVD used market, tigrs and NDM86 (5-12k). Set it up right and it will shit over any LMT MARS, Stag-10, Ruger SFAR, DPMS LR308, POF DI revolution, SR-25, 417, XCRM, or any other assorted garbage.
>Even if we take your cope that its 2MOA, that is still enough to reliably hit a human at 900m >$6000
FN, KAC, LMT, you can practically buy any western equivalent that has seen modern military use and ease of accessorizing, for the same or less than $6000, holy frick.
You can shoot an SVD just as easily as you can shoot an LMT .308. And unlike an LMT, an SVD will have a different shooting experience that distinguishes it from a $1500 Stag/Aero etc. AR-10. An SVD is just a cooler gun. What satisfaction could you possibly get out of shooting shooting an MWS or something that another random AR couldn't give you?
>What satisfaction could you possibly get out of shooting shooting an MWS or something that another random AR couldn't give you?
Not him but better performance and accuracy gives satisfaction.
Nah they're too sore to admit they are wrong. It's like b***hing at someone buying a nice vintage car they like with their disposable income because you can have a shitbox for 1/3 the price.
its either a collectors item or something still useful and accurate compared to modern rifles. it cannot be both anon. >you cant have your wiener and eat it too.
>still useful and accurate compared to modern rifles
It's a lightweight sub-2 MOA semi rifle in a full power rifle caliber with a somewhat passable 4x scope.
If you think this is somehow an unusable relic from the prehistory of firearms, I dunno what to tell you.
>seems less than 200 were ever made.
no shit thats a collectors item you massive moron. how did you even think this was comparable.
https://i.imgur.com/I9v5fOS.jpg
>still useful and accurate compared to modern rifles
It's a lightweight sub-2 MOA semi rifle in a full power rifle caliber with a somewhat passable 4x scope.
If you think this is somehow an unusable relic from the prehistory of firearms, I dunno what to tell you.
>spending 6k on a "2moa" rifle with old ammo.
you do you man.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>you do you man
I actually spent around $2k on it because I'm not a burger, but your point was that it isn't relevant today at all, meanwhile it'll still kill a homie within 600m easy.
Sure anyone can get an AR10 variant with a FAR better glass for less, but it's still doing roughly the same job, stop acting like it's a flintlock.
1 year ago
Anonymous
never said it was completely useless just that for the money its pointless. i was comparing the 6k rifle not whatever you bought it for. whoever buys a 6k svd and expects it to be as good as a modern 6k rifle or even half the price has crippling stupid in there genepool. >well i bought a case of mosins in 1978 for 100 bucks is a terrible argument.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>whoever buys a 6k svd and expects it to be as good as a modern 6k rifle or even half the price
You are imagining a person in your head and getting upset with them.
Stop.
1 year ago
Anonymous
are you projecting some dumb shit you clearly do.
stop.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>6k
Outside of the US tigrs are 1.2k and svd around 2-3k.
1 year ago
Anonymous
In the US a dragunov IS a collector item. Same way a fricking SW mp15 is a collector item in bongland.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>seems less than 200 were ever made
You're free to take a guess as to how many genuine SVDs are there in the US
1 year ago
Anonymous
>imported vs ever made implying they could be imported later vs only less than 200 existing period.
whut
1 year ago
Anonymous
>implying they could be imported late >banned by name
Really now homie
Supply and demand ring no bell?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I hope you burgers get rid of dumb import laws like these because dragunovs are really fun guns. With the number you could sell in the US they would easily go under 1k usd. Around here there are a couple of boomers who hunt boars with svds in 9mm brenneke.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I hope you burgers get rid of dumb import laws
Sadly, it's never going to happen because the laws are unfortunately supported by both sides of the aisle and most domestic firearms companies.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>svd in 9x64
stop, please, i dont get jealous of eurohomosexuals often but this is too much
1 year ago
Anonymous
You don't know how well you can actually hold your rifle till the svd in 9,3x64 brenneke that the local boomer is letting you try out starts slamfiring because he cleaned it only once in 10 years and the firing pin gets stuck in the out position.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>slamfiring SVD
you now have my attention.
1 year ago
Anonymous
With svd if you don't clean them they can eventually start slamfiring, but it's rare. Now they all have a spring in the firing pin channel to prevent that. Still even a spring doesn't help when boomer-san doesn't know that you're supposed to clean your gun at least once every 10 years.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I wish because 9mm SVD makes my dick tingle but unfortunately probably not
Non hunter here. Why are hunters so obsessed with 9 brenneke?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>implying we want any guns banned. >they keep importing morons into the city to pump out what results they want. >implying we dont want 1.5k SVD's or other cool shit.
lazy nig nogs got into office and found a way to pander to the lowest common denominator.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I wish because 9mm SVD makes my dick tingle but unfortunately probably not
It's more the importer's fault than his. They decided to offer him the entire lot of rifles for a lump sump rather than trying to collect preorders from AK Files members who didn't even put money down upfront.
I mean, while I do think MAC was a israelite in the overall scenario, if you were the original exporter in this case, would you trust a bunch of randoms on a forum to upfront large sums of cash? I would be looking at realiable buyer alternatives like mac too.
His point was a known figure willing to buy all at once may be less money in total, but it’s a lot safer than selling them one by one.
Would you take an 90% chance at having $1M or a guaranteed $800k?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Time value of money, the smaller check up front is actually worth more once you account for the fact that you can reinvest that money right away.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well yeah that too. Although you’d need a large timeframe difference or really high returns to net a 12.5% difference.
My point was your expected return is $900k vs $800k. Mathematically you pick the first option, but it depends on your risk tolerance. The guaranteed profit is very appealing because you have no risk.
>it’s true because I say it
Like I said already, the issued PSO-1 scopes for SVDs have fricking 1.72MOA adjustments. How on earth is the rifle shooting 2 MOA when your scope adjusts at nearly 2 MOA?
I’ll admit that’s better than I expected. However it’s 1, 3 shot group on steel that’s not even measured. You need a 5 shot group to show anything. Two of those rounds stacked but the 3rd was at least 2” over. Would the 4th and 5th be right on top of the first two? Or would they also be 2” off? And in what direction?
don't forget 7 moa dogshit (original and repo lmao)
Try 1.5 MOA with chinkshit surplus
1 year ago
Anonymous
Where's the proof it was shot with an svd and it was actually chinese surplus? You probably shot at 50m you lying vatnik
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't generally timestamp every single pic of a group just to prove shit to strangers on the internet and it wouldn't have been sufficient proof to you anyway without video evidence (neither will be this).
So believe what you want, this is your last (You).
(Groups will open up to 5+ MOA with the wrong ammo, I will give you that.)
go suck off the barrel of the m14 you love so much
1 year ago
Anonymous
Swing and a miss. Ive been shitting on the M14. I’m the one that said it’s the worst .308 battle rifle.
Also that’s completely irrelevant to what I said. Because you have no logical retort. A single 3 round group on steel that wasn’t measured doesn’t prove shit for accuracy. If that counts I’ve had a sub 1” group at 100 yards with a PSA and PMC 55gr. I do not think that those are a sub MOA combo.
>adjust chevron to be roughly on target >aim at the same place >check groupings
Anon, you know that it's not necessary to zero a rifle to check groupings? Have you ever shot a rifle?
I didn’t know you quantified accurate as the ability to hit a torso at 100 yards. By that metric the Brown Bess was good enough
1 year ago
Anonymous
At this point I'm convinced you truly never shot a rifle if you're still on the moronic idea that a rifle can only be as accurate as the minimum turrets increments. Do you know that you can still accurately and perfectly zero a scope even if it had 5MOA clicks?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>moving the topic again
Kek >Do you know that you can still accurately and perfectly zero a scope even if it had 5MOA clicks?
No I didn’t. I would love to hear how. I’m nearly certain you can’t, but if somehow you can I’ll learn something new.
1 year ago
Anonymous
By unscrewing the turrets and fine tuning the reticle like when you want to squeeze further 10MOA for long range >moving the goalpost
How? It's you who is a nogun and doesn't even know the basic of shooting.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>By unscrewing the turrets and fine tuning the reticle like when you want to squeeze further 10MOA for long range >Just disassemble your scope bro
I thought you meant normal behavior
1 year ago
Anonymous
Now it's 100% confirmed you're either a noguns or never zeroed a scope. It's not disassemblying. It's the same fricking thing you have to do when zeroing a rifle amd you return the zero to the "1" on your turret.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Unscrewing your turrets and manually moving them slightly to try to get finer adjustments than 1.72 MOA is absolutely not a normal thing to do when zeroing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>moving the goalpost again
Post guns
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Anonymous
not even that anon, but stop playing word games you sad homosexual
1 year ago
Anonymous
Read
By unscrewing the turrets and fine tuning the reticle like when you want to squeeze further 10MOA for long range >moving the goalpost
How? It's you who is a nogun and doesn't even know the basic of shooting.
And tell me that’s normal behavior for any scope that’s not extreme long range or a Russian piece of shit. And if it’s extreme long range, just get a scope made for it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The shitfling started because you're too moronic to understand that the moa derivation of turret clicks of an optic have frickall to do with the accuracy of the rifle. He just showed you that if someone is autistic enough to want a perfect mathematical zero you can. You're just a moron who has too much ego to admit you're wrong.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>And if it’s extreme long range, just get a scope made for it.
Why are you arguing about extreme long range with a DMR rifle with a 4x optic that it's perfectly adequate for shooting sub 600 yards, ie a fricking DMR?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Why are you arguing about extreme long range
I’m not?
Because you aren't dialing you scope around while shooting a group you fricking moron. Besides that, 1.72 MOA adjustments still means that your zero will be within .86 MOA of where it should be.
>Besides that, 1.72 MOA adjustments still means that your zero will be within .86 MOA of where it should be.
Kek so only 5.16” off from your point of aim at 600 yards. You know, the distance this is made for.
Are you that much of a contrarian or slavboo you’re defending the PSO?
Not the guy you replied to but if you get lucky (obviously that's a bad concept but we're talking 60 year old rifle and optic combinations here fellas) then there's nothing to stop you from having a pretty precise system besides the shooter himself.
>you’re defending the PSO
Yes. Considering no one ever had a problem hitting stuff even beyond 600m. You read a few numbers and without even understanding jack shit about the basics of zeroimg a rifle or shooting pretend to be an expert.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>posts a gun using a different fixed 4x while defending the PSO
Kek
>Kek so only 5.16” off from your point of aim at 600 yards
Now consider all the other errors you'd be looking at at that distance, and that they aren't all going to align in the same direction.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This. The PSO-1 is designed to work like the ACOG, just with calibrated BDC turrets rather than a modern BDC reticle, and better hold points for wind. Once you introduce all the error from relying on a fixed stadiametric rangefinder, not taking environmental factors into account besides wind calls, and the accuracy of the wind calls you're making, not having a perfect zero isn't that big of a deal.
imagine wanting something that's been forbidden fruit,
but buying it the same time as a million other yokels.
Never join a club that would have you as member.
>Same cost as my L119A1 including optics
I have lusted after an SVD since I was like 8 years old because of Conflict: Desert Storm, but $6k is fricking moronic.
$6k isn't exactly out of my reach, but it's a lot for a rifle that is going to be a display piece 99% of the time and maybe shot once a year at most. I would buy the Sig MCX Spear at $4k before this.
>instead of this weird monstrosity.
Dumb Black person it's just the furniture + FSB. Swap that out and it's a dragunov. >Get a tigr or NDM instead
An ndm would be fine too but you'll be paying more for a gun that's probably been shot a good amount but a TIGR has the cuck barrel that you'd spend hundreds or thousands on just the barrel then youd need to go to the effort of changing it and changing the furniture anyway.
>TIGR has the cuck barrel
Tigr barrel are the same as any other russian svd barrel. They come both in lomg barrel and short barrel. The only difference between a Tigr and a SVD nowadays is the bayonet lug. For all other differences you can find versions with or without.
>Tigr barrel are the same as any other russian svd barrel.
Actually all Tigrs use a different twist rate than the military version, better suited for stabilizing heavy lead bullets.
No, all russian SVD and Tigr produced (after 1970 for svds) nowadays use a 1:240mm twist rate for custom bullets like AP, API, explosive etc. The original twist rate was 1:320mm which nowadays is kept only by the NDM86. It wasn't just for the weight of the bullet.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, Tigrs use 1:320mm twist rate, rather than the faster 1:240mm rate the military switched to after 1974 because they couldn't supply the match ammo consistently and wanted to use common API and tracer rounds.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Are you mentally handicapped?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Are you? Izmash clearly states they use 320 twist rate for their civilian rifles.
1 year ago
Anonymous
How come both my Tigr and all the other Tigrs I have seen in stores have clearly stated in their manual 1:240mm twist rate? You can literally try it with a cleaning rod and a brush
1 year ago
Anonymous
I guess it's because KC are homosexuals.
1 year ago
Anonymous
True, butbit doesn't change the fact that my tigr has a 1:240mm twist rate.
How did the import market get like this? Because there's no real competition? Century used to import as much cheap shit as they could and would build a kit gun out of anything.
>Century used to import as much cheap shit as they could and would build a kit gun out of anything.
Because countries had warehouses of surplus guns that they wanted gone and were selling for a fraction of what they were worth. No one is selling new production guns at a loss like that unless they're going out of business.
>importers realized they were getting a raw deal
Anon, warehousing stuff costs money. All that cheap surplus that used to flood the market was because the cold war ended, and countries started looking at how much they were paying to have all the those guns and gear sitting in warehouses ready for mass conscription in the event of WWIII.
So the countries selling stuff to the importers realized they were getting a raw deal and all raised their prices tenfold?
>Century used to import as much cheap shit as they could and would build a kit gun out of anything.
Because countries had warehouses of surplus guns that they wanted gone and were selling for a fraction of what they were worth. No one is selling new production guns at a loss like that unless they're going out of business.
I dunno about other milsurp, but the SVD and other russian guns aren't literally banned by name from importation?
So they already sold everything from the warehouses, that's why it isn't cheap anymore? We bought all the cheap stuff up? I'm sure that's part of it. But even new production AKs and such have all practically tripled in price.
>But even new production AKs and such have all practically tripled in price.
What new production AKs? The cheap ones from countries that were banned from import years ago? The cheap "US made" ones that were really just parts kits that came from cutting up finished guns that couldn't be legally imported?
.... Or reload for yourself? It's not hard to get x54r dies or 30 cal projectiles. It's not a magic gun, it's a russian .308 with a cool look. You'd have to do a little bit of workup but I can't imagine a world where 175 OTM's don't perform well out of a given rifle, unless the rifle is objectively shit. A gun is a gun. It can perform as well as the sum of its parts.
Reminder that the cartridge itself is a long .308 in terms of ballistic performance. Same bullet weights, same velocities. You're just paying for a 'cooler' (read as 'different') rifle system. I guarantee an SR-25 gets russian dicks as hard as an SVD does here.
[...]
Also consider what's happening globally - inflation is rampant, we had a global shutdown/slowdown of all transit and logistics due to the chink virus, we have an explicitly anti-russian administration in office, Russia is at war with the West, and you're worried that firearms are more expensive than they used to be. Think, man - think!
>m-muh inflation
A talking point used by morons who have no clue about the firearms market, but still want to try to participate in discussion for some reason.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>denying that USD is collapsing in real time and people who aren't moronic want to get paid more
Ur dum lol
1 year ago
Anonymous
>USD is collapsing in real time >total inflation since December of 2019 is 15%, rather than the 6% it was from December of 2016 to December of 2019
You don't even know what collapse looks like if you think that's anything close to it. Pic related is in Venezuela, hitting 1000% inflation in as short as 3 months.
I have a Norinco but I wonder what I can do to it to put a red dot on it. Nothing bubba related. Could I get a rail that goes where the rear sight goes to?
>trap encourages people to settle for things that barely pass for what they really want on a good day, from a good angle, if you squint
Unsurprising tbh.
I know how a stuck firing pin causes a slamfire, but I also know some SVDs have issues with the firing pin completely skewering soft primers, as in they are not detonating it but completely piercing it all the way through. Not sure what malf that would cause but I heard its an issue and i just thought it may be related.
>But seriously comparing an M1D is very laughable. Western accurized rifles didn't become very well used until much later, and even then the M1C, M1D and M21 never saw that much use.
You didn’t argue efficacy. You said it was revolutionary. Which is patently false. There were tens of thousands of M1Cs and M1Ds made for WWII and Korea. >The SVD was built from the ground up as a platoon sniper
All the other SVD gays say it’s not a sniper rifle. >with provisions to double duty as a battle rifle.
With 10 round mags. Lol. Lmao. >It was truly the end of small arms technology -- full stop. Evgeniyy F. Dragunov was a genius and the SVD is the greatest rifle ever made.
Nice bait. You did make me reply again.
Nta but since you mentioned it, interestingly enough there are also 20rnd mags. But yeah, his claim that it was also a battle rifle is wrong.
There are also some bakelite 20 rounders that are incredibly rare and sometime go as high as 1k each.
>All the other SVD gays say it’s not a sniper rifle.
Its a matter of language. The term "DMR" didnt exist until a decade or two ago. Notice how many western DMRs from the era are also called "sniper" like the M21. The term "sniper" has been used for many things in history that do not fit the modern western definition of sniper rifle. The SVD is called a DMR retroactively because it fits that bill, but it was not designed as such. It was designed to replace the PU mosin in service, which was a platoon sniper. A platoon sniper rifle is simply a sniper rifle issued to the Platoon sniper which is attached to a company HQ. The SVD was not designed to be issued at a squad level, which technically means it should not be a DMR, or maybe it should be depending on what you consider a DMR to be. The term DMR is in quite wide acceptance in the west, but in Russia, most SVD and SVD shaped objects are referred to as Sniper rifles, because the term DMR hasn't quite caught on, the term DMR exists in a few phrases in russian that are kinda clunky and not as widespread as calling it sniper. Therefore I believe its most correct to refer to SVD as a platoon sniper, rather than DMR, even though both are correct. Many firearms designations in history change, like how the Lewis gun was an LMG before, but might not fit the modern definition for LMG.
The DMR terminology is pretty funny because pre 1960s the same role was known as just "snipers" and treated as such and used pretty commonly.
Now in 1960s when western armies developed more modern sniper doctrine where the snipers are not generally operating as part of the regular infantry units but rather as specialized teams trained in not just marksmanship but also camouflage and reconnaisance so this inherited the new technology. Meanwhile soviets never developed such a doctrine and stuck on using the old doctrine and subsequently the term the same way, causing confusion, more as time went on. It's only in modern russia did they make the effort to recreate such a modern doctrine.
Nta but since you mentioned it, interestingly enough there are also 20rnd mags. But yeah, his claim that it was also a battle rifle is wrong.
There are also some bakelite 20 rounders that are incredibly rare and sometime go as high as 1k each.
Theres nothing wrong with the 10 round mags, its just a limit of the rimmed cartridge design. Those 20rd mags are vaporware, extremely rare and only made for SVU-A which was also extremely rare and limited production. However there is a russian company that makes a +5rd magazine extension, and 15 rds is almost 20, right?))
Also If SVD can be called a DMR when it existed 45+ years before such a term existed, then it can be a battle rifle too.
Im sorry for insulting the garand and M21, they are not bad rifles but I truly think SVD is the greatest rifle ever, so its hard for me to see eye to eye.
its actually $7500, the rep was given the wrong price
lol
https://i.imgur.com/1SpTILs.jpg
Nta, but now they have pic rel, freefloat barrel and picatinny dust cover. Honestly better than a shitty SAG chassis that they don't even cover with warranty.
those SVDMs are also vapourware, rare and limited production, only issued to some select units
[...] >Probably less than 10,000 were made before 1967-1968
There are production records from 1966, when there were 3726 rifles produced, with 3825 more the following year. For comparison, that same year 377 thousands of AKs were made.
Thank you anon, where did you find this information if you dont mind my asking? I would like to add it to my references
Here's an article, it's okay for the numbers if you look through the regular sugary russian autofellating propaganda. Just use the translate.
https://www.kalashnikov.ru/v-epohu-akm/
>Im sorry for insulting the garand and M21, they are not bad rifles
Im not offended. The Garand is a fantastic rifle for its era. The M14/21 kinda sucks >but I truly think SVD is the greatest rifle ever, so its hard for me to see eye to eye.
You can think that but you are objectively wrong. It’s not the best even in its era at what you say it does.
You are missing my point entirely which is the SVD is not a revolutionary rifle. Full stop. It was done 2 decades prior and there were also contemporary competing designs which were better. Do you even own one?
M21 isn't that bad. It's not great as a military weapon due to being difficult to service and pretty finnicky and sensititve to weather conditions, however it's a transitional design from the old infantry snipers into the modern sniper doctrine and within that doctrine it's more of a purebred sniper rifle than an SVD, for example. They went a long way to make a precision weapon out of a gun that wasn't particularly suited to that, including hand picked guns that were glass bedded and tightened, outfitted with a respectable 3-9 adjustable scope and match ammo were all the result of a lot of effort put into making it accurate, which was commendable for the technology and tools available at the time.
>those SVDMs are also vapourware, rare and limited production, only issued to some select units
No shit. The MOD was supposed to buy them for a program to replace older SVD but some russian big shot preferred having a third yacht
Nta, but now they have pic rel, freefloat barrel and picatinny dust cover. Honestly better than a shitty SAG chassis that they don't even cover with warranty.
>Probably less than 10,000 were made before 1967-1968
There are production records from 1966, when there were 3726 rifles produced, with 3825 more the following year. For comparison, that same year 377 thousands of AKs were made.
>The SVD is basically a DMR right?
Yes. And it’s decent to good at that. >Is the recoil worse than 7.62x51?
Maybe. They are basically the same round. The gun weight and action will dictate recoil far more than the slight difference between any x51 and x54 loads
I've managed to shoot a few guns as I live next to the UKs biggest rifle range. lots of shotguns, a couple handguns, .22's, AK's, etc. For a noguns the SVD (which I shot in Poland) is quite the experience. Very hot and angry. I had no idea how to use the scope and the "instructors" were dogshit. My brother who actually used to shoot competitively was saying all the sights on all the guns weren't remotely zeroed anyway so I didn't hit shit with it, alas
For 6k you could buy >PVS-14 >A decent rifle >ir illuminator >good NV compatible optics
And have a much better time than blowing 6k on a rifle that just looks cool
slavshitters need to kill themselves
The gun is FEG / Hungarian made. Hungarians aren't Slavs.
It's expensive because they imported 80 guns and plan to bring in a few hundred more. It's a supply and demand issue, so of course the prices are going to be jacked because someone will pay for it.
>made
It's literally assembled from Russian parts in FEG facilities.
No one other than Russians and the Chinese ever manufactured SVDs.
why is jerma at shot show?
technically Jerma lives in Las Vegas so he could very easily drop by
Jerma and TFB collab when?? I know you're here James with your short shorts
Could you imagine the seething from probably ~50% of his audience? What a spectacle it would be.
free food glam handing and cheap male prostitutes
haha
>chat come one I'm not gonna do it
>I'm NOT gonna sneak live ammo into shotshow chat come one!
>Ballfondler just said: "Is this the stream where he shoves remshit up his ass?"
>6000 dollars for a 2 MOA rifle
>2 MOA rifle
its 4 moa
>2MOA
More like 1 to 1,5 MOA with Barnaul and sub MOA with handloads and SB 174gr match ammo. With a SAG freefloat chassis system it becomes sub moa with almost all ammo.
>6k is a low price for an SVD
For the artificially inflated US market maybe. But an SVD or a Tigr aren't worth that much. My soviet SVD was closer to 2k and my Tigr was 1.2k. It's not the POS rifle that some boomers and noguns who get their info from videogames think, but it's still a 60 years old rifle that it's showing his age, especially against modern mid tier .308 AR rifles.
The SVD is literally the first DMR and was created to fill that exact role. It was never meant to be a sniper rifle in the wester sniper doctrine sense.
Deleted the angle braket by mistake
>More like 1 to 1,5 MOA with Barnaul and sub MOA with handloads and SB 174gr match ammo. With a SAG freefloat chassis system it becomes sub moa with almost all ammo.
cope, post your SVD slavaboo homosexual
>The SVD is literally the first DMR and was created to fill that exact role.
It was pretty subpar as a DMR, though. It was good as a mosin replacement for the soviets but it was really more of a scoped battle rifle than a proper marksman rifle. Fun fact: for half a decade after its adoption, SVD had no match ammo, at all and had to use standard general purpose 7.62x54r ones. This meant that the "world's first DMR" grouped at over 2 MOA, just about as accurate as above average battle rifle.
>post your SVD slavaboo homosexual
I just did? I have more pics if you want.
>it was a good replacement for the mosin
Yeah, for PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory.
>it was more of a scoped battle rifle
No. It was never used that way. But I think you're just trolling at this point.
>for half a decade it had no ammo
Not true. Since it's inception the SVD shot the 7n1 ammunition which was adequate to achieve the desired precision. Afterwards the 7n14 was developed tailored to the SVD which further squeezed out more accuracy, but even before this load it was sufficient for its intended DMR role
>I just did?
not your pics
>PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory.
lmao
>It was never used that way
It was used in place of a piece of shit mosin, i was talking about functionality.
>Since it's inception the SVD shot the 7n1 ammunition
That's a lie and you're full of shit. You should be beaten to death like the vatBlack person scum you are for intentionally spreading lies.
>which was adequate
slimy homosexual
Lol you have no proof of any of your claims and he literally posted his rifle. Blown the frick out bruv
Cope, seethe and dilate vatBlack person. You will never be a real human.
i've seen a couple videos, around the time of Mariupol, of Russians complaining about their shit SVDs compared to AZOV having top tier HATO warcrime modern sniper rifles
Ukrainian snipers are the real deal, they've made an effort to train and equip a pretty large number of them and it seems to have paid off. I've read about this even prior to the war.
Just because SVD wasn't used as a battle rifle doesn't mean that it's wrong to compare them like that. If you do, you'll quickly see that if you'd just pick better shooting rifles from your normal production line they'll shoot as well as the SVD does. When you factor in the thin and light barrel and the famous soviet "quality" you'll see that what sime idiots pretend is a "sniper rifle" is really little more than soviets playing copycat with western armies, as is per usual.
The only neat thing about SVDs compared to the contemporary battle rifles is that they're fairly light weight, about 2 pounds less than standard variants of other battle rifles. This is somewhat negated by the awful contraption that is the scope that comes with the gun, which weighs about as much and makes up the difference in addition to all the other issues it has. And if you ditch the scope you're stuck with the absolute garbage open sights that make any talking points about accuracy moot.
2 pounds is an overexaggeration, it's slightly above 1 pound of difference.
>PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory
Oh bull fricking shit. The only mosin that maybe shoot 1 MOA are Finnish ones. I don’t think you realize how rare a 1 MOA rifle in that era is.
>SVD shot the 7n1 ammunition which was adequate to achieve the desired precision.
That’s correct. But the “desired precision” isn’t precise for anyone. Only soviets. It’s not a precise rifle or ammo combo.
>That’s correct.
That's not even correct, that pidor is outright lying. 7N1 was adopted in 1967 and God knows when became common among the troops. By that point many thousands of SVDs had been already built and delivered to the army.
My bad. I didn’t check dates. I just know by using literally ever other piece of equipment as examples that Soviet “precision” is maybe up to “barely acceptable” by western standards
>around 2,5 MOA for selection at first
I remembered wrong. My bad.
2,5 MOA for selection at first
And you are still fricking wrong. In what you posted it’s 8-9cm at 100 meters. Adjusting for freedom units that’s 2.89-3.25 inches at 100 yards. So they are 3 MOA rifles. That’s a far cry from sub MOA like you claimed. That’s not misremembering. You were lying or making shit up because you didn’t know.
When did I ever claim mosin nagants were selected for sub moa accuracy? I said around 1 MOA as I had remembered wrong. Are you illiterate?
>The Mosin Nagant is around 1 MOA
what the frick am I reading lmao
Try to read the thread first.
For a liar that got caught red handed you're sure weaseling a lot. You slimy fricking piece of shit.
No, you just got caught talking out of your fricking ass. Show me in this thread a singke post where I ever claimed that sniper mosin nagants were EVER sub MOA. Come on.
I had thought the selection for Mosin PUs was for 1 MOA accuracy and I was wrong. I admitted it, now you're the one weaseling around claiming I said things I never did.
Lol you're a rusBlack person aren't you? I bet you are. Few people have the gall to keep throwing accusations after being caught lying so obviously and so blatantly when exposed as a know nothing homosexual.
>rusBlack person
Vatniks can't even own these rifles in their country. If you think that owning a russian gun makes me a rusBlack person then you're just a fricking war tourist noguns.
>liar
What did I lie about? About the accuracy of mosins where I even posted the proof of me being wrong myself?
You don't own any guns, posting stolen pics as you shill and lie on the internet only makes me more sure you're some vatBlack person homosexual.
>What did I lie about?
Yes, about just about every claim from your shit stained mouth. Backtracking after you got called out doesn't change that.
You are trash and the guns you obsess over are trash.
After all the shitflinging you did I hope you don't turn out to be a noguns. But I wouldn't be surprised.
Lmao, fricking based
>After all the shitflinging you did I hope you don't turn out to be a noguns
It's always like that.
>tfw no svd
>mfw yugo cope SVD
Are you the euro with 3 of them that pops up in /brg/ sometimes
Also remember you can report morons for trolling
>yugo m76
That's a really neat rifle. Especially the optic with the spicy air logo for the tritium. I've been on the lookout for one for years but the price was never right.
>euro with 3 of them
Must've been someone else, I'm an euro and I have posted them sometimes on /brg/ but I only have 2, a soviet svd and a civilian Tigr. In the future I want an NDM also but I can only find .308 versions.
>I've been on the lookout for one for years but the price was never right.
I built it from a kit because the prices for old import ones are absolutely fricking autistic. I'd love an SVD at some point but 6K is just too much for me.
>at least it's not 9k for a fricking norinco
Yeah, I love SVD to death, but I would never drop 6k on that import with weird furniture, no track record and weird front sight. Also the whole MAC bullshit.
I can understand prices for a genuine soviet SVD going up over the years as they don't make any more. But a Tigr or a modern production RA svd would be worth around 1200-1500 euro if it wasn't for dumb import laws.
>build from a kit
Building rifle kits sounds fun.
Where do you think you are?
Based, but you’re still a lying ass. Why did you ignore this post entirely?
Is it because you realized the SVD wasn’t revolutionary?
Because I never claimed that it was revolutionary? The anon you replied to is not me. The SVD was the first rifle designed from the ground up to be used as a aquad DMR. But the rifle itself is not revolutionary. The PSO optic instead could be considered that under certain aspects like the IR spotting capabilities etc.
>The anon you replied to is not me
Oh so it was someone else posting relatively early in the thread who is also delusional about the SVDs performance. Ok then.
>noguns stir shit up
>gets btfo with timestamp
>noguns runs away
You love to see it. Fricking mirin'
Based.
Get fricked idiot
Based. It's been at least since 2014 with Flandre since I saw someone with dragunovs on this board.
Based.
Are you ever going to post any guns? The other anon did. Step up to the challenge you initiated.
No he'll just screech vatnik and hope that works because he's a noguns thirdie
Right here you fricking liar.
>PU mosin who needed to be at around 1 moa from the factory
My mistake in saying sub-MOA. You said 1 MOA. And it’s actually 3 MOA. My point still stands.
Oh finally you admitted you were wrong just like I did. Good on you.
lol the blatant liar is now claiming that poor wording makes others the same as him
what a subhuman piece of shit. why are SVDgays and slavaboo always like that?
Oh frick off Black person. Sub-MOA is around 1 MOA. 3 MOA is no where near 1 MOA. You lied, repeatedly, and try to play the victim. You’re Slavic aren’t you?
God those are sexy
Cope: https://youtu.be/qeXQ51_qiPQ?t=259
The problem is ammo availability. Right now per Ammoseek you have three options:
>shoot bimetalic Russian ammo from Tula, Wolf, etc. that will be hard on the bore and dry up soon
>shoot corrosive Yugo surplus
>shoot new manufacture PPU or S&B that is about $0.80 per round
If FEG ever sells a 308 version like the Chinese did, then we could really test the accuracy. Right now it's just an antiquated $6k collector's item with only two real options for ammo that aren't even match-grade.
Were 308 tigrs never imported in the US?
.... Or reload for yourself? It's not hard to get x54r dies or 30 cal projectiles. It's not a magic gun, it's a russian .308 with a cool look. You'd have to do a little bit of workup but I can't imagine a world where 175 OTM's don't perform well out of a given rifle, unless the rifle is objectively shit. A gun is a gun. It can perform as well as the sum of its parts.
Reminder that the cartridge itself is a long .308 in terms of ballistic performance. Same bullet weights, same velocities. You're just paying for a 'cooler' (read as 'different') rifle system. I guarantee an SR-25 gets russian dicks as hard as an SVD does here.
Also consider what's happening globally - inflation is rampant, we had a global shutdown/slowdown of all transit and logistics due to the chink virus, we have an explicitly anti-russian administration in office, Russia is at war with the West, and you're worried that firearms are more expensive than they used to be. Think, man - think!
Don't forget china is having their first wave of actual covid and they're lying about their death counts
>It's not hard to get x54r dies or 30 cal projectiles
Isn’t that more of an issue because it’s not actually .308” and is .312” or whatever? So the vast market of .30 cal bullets are actually undersized. That should cause some accuracy issues in terms of a precision rifle.
>More like 1 to 1,5 MOA
SVD and PSLs are DMRs not sniper rifles
theyre meant to supplement LMGs and engage targets constantly and shot hot
which when shot hot is 4 MOA
still better than any piece of shit m14, which is 5 MOA, either because it got hot, or you had the "tenacity" of cleaning it
>SVD and PSLs are DMRs not sniper rifles
That's what I'm saying.
Okay noguns.
>Even if the rifle was capable of that, which it’s not
I guess mine are magically enchanted then. I never got a sub moa group with its PSO optic, I got them with a picatinny adapter and a borrowed vortex viper to eliminate the optic factor. Of course normal accuracy with a 4x PSO is never going to be sub moa, but the rifle is capable of more.
I might have worded it poorly but even in my first post I said it was a DMR and not a sniper rifle, but I still get 1 MOA at the range, which is more than adequate for it to be classified as a DMR even with it's 4x PSO which is more than adequate to hit man sized targets to 700m no problem (I don't have longer lanes at my range)
>I never got a sub moa group with its PSO optic, I got them with a picatinny adapter and a borrowed vortex viper to eliminate the optic factor. Of course normal accuracy with a 4x PSO is never going to be sub moa,
Then why are you so adamant that they are sub MOA rifles? Basically all of them were issued with the shitty PSO scope, and with ammo that’s not sub MOA. The vast majority of them did not see that performance and were not capable of that performance.
I'm not adamant they are all sub moa in all conditions, I said that with normal ammo both my svd and tigr from my testing sample of 2 are around 1 MOA, and with match grade ammo I got sub MOA with both albeit not with their PSO scope. I feel like it should be mentioned when a rifle can perform better if the limiting factors are the scope and ammo. Shouldn't most variables be eliminated when testing the accuracy of a rifle?
Where do you get the 1967 date of adoption for the 7n1?
>Where do you get the 1967 date of adoption for the 7n1?
In pretty much any russian sources. I guess russiadefense forums where scum like you reside don't use those. http://www.gpodyssey.ru/oruzhie/104-snajperskaja-vintovka-dragunova-svd.html
>Shouldn't most variables be eliminated when testing the accuracy of a rifle?
That is true, but then it would be better to define the 2 accuracies as "battle accuracy" and "rifle potential"
>7n1 adoption
In an older book I read I remember clearly that the 7n1 was developed together with the SVD rifle, but it doesn't mention the years. It is true tho that the SVD performed better with the second variation of the 7n14.
This is like saying that a AR15 with a bushnell and tula ammo shooting 6 MOA means the AR15 is a 6 MOA rifle.
No shit you dip, but hear me out if you are gonna drop 2-6k or more now days on a rifle, are you just gonna run cheap trash through it? Yeah the match ammo is expensive but I don't buy a Ruger PR to shoot etheopian surplus ammo through it and I don't buy a draco to shoot match ammo through it.
>This is like saying that a AR15 with a bushnell and tula ammo shooting 6 MOA means the AR15 is a 6 MOA rifle.
No it isn’t, because a standard off the shelf AR isn’t a 1 MOA gun. No one is claiming they are. A standard off the shelf AR is more accurate than an average SVD though.
>No shit you dip, but hear me out if you are gonna drop 2-6k or more now days on a rifle, are you just gonna run cheap trash through it?
I’m not going to drop $6k on a fricking SVD when I can get a better rifle for a third of that cost, buy a nice scope, and buy over a thousand rounds of good ammo. That is irrelevant to the inherent accuracy of an SVD, which isn’t very good. Maybe the B&Ts will be changed and will be better. But the base design isn’t.
>I’m not going to drop $6k on a fricking SVD when I can get a better rifle for a third of that cost
No one is buying them for their performance or for an actual loadout. They are neat rifles to scrath your svd itch. If practicality was the only factor the only 2 guns sold would be the ar15 and a glock
>No one is buying them for their performance or for an actual loadout.
I realize that. But there’s also a homosexual in here defending their performance. And you started this discussion with me about performance.
>More like 1 to 1,5 MOA with Barnaul and sub MOA with handloads and SB 174gr match ammo. With a SAG freefloat chassis system it becomes sub moa with almost all ammo.
>sub MOA rifle
>when the standard optic used 0.5 mil adjustments
>fricking 1.72 MOA click adjustments
>but trust me it shoots sub MOA
Even if the rifle was capable of that, which it’s not, it’s issued with a gun that wouldn’t let you adjust accurately to where it’s hitting. It’s a 2-4 MOA gun. It’s meant to engage people at 600-800m. It’s not a tack driver.
for all practical purposes, a 4 MOA gun is going to miss anything besides a 3 foot gong at 800Y.
Also with a 4x scope you aren’t doing much of anything at 800 yards
Lol no they're shitty rifles with shitty trigger and clanky shift parts that shift around just like AKs
A basic b***h AR10 is superior in every single way except form/aesthetics
I dont think I've ever shot an AR10 that could make it through a mag of ammo without jamming.
Owners always blamed the mags or ammo too. Was funny.
Now I sorta want a SVD, but I dont want a gun associated with either Pidor Battalion of Ukraine or the Sodomite Slavic hoards of Russia.
>I dont think I've ever shot an AR10 that could make it through a mag of ammo without jamming.
That isn’t true in the slightest and you know it. Maybe AR-10s from 20 years ago. I can get a PSA AR-10 right now for less than $1000 thats reliable
> 20 years ago
yes, this is true. I admit it was about 15 years ago and that gun was probably 5 years old.
>shitty trigger
The trigger is actually very nice for a bone-stock DMR.
Sounds like Christiansen Arms.
i'd spend $800 on a Ruger American and a Vortex scope at that point.
>Ruger American
garbage like all ruger products. buy a bergara, tikka or howa instead
The rifles alone are over 1k as opposed to 800 for the rifle and cheap scope
yes that's correct, because quality costs more. but in this case not terribly more
sadest most fricked up thing about this is its MAC's fault.
this will sell out instantly
MAC is a shill homosexual
Well it's cheaper than what used ones have been going for in recent years at least. Is FEG making PSO scopes for them though?
>B14 HMR
>IRay TH50C
Yep.
it worked for Mishaco and MAC, will work for them.
There is a video of Mishaco taking shots of liquor while explaining the drama. Personally I’d rather have Vepr in 7.62x54R.
>Mishaco
The blind guy was in on the scam now too?!
It wasn't just that frickstick whinging greybeard MAC?
remember when tim stole 100 svds?
remember when pay pigs give that moron money. He's a millionaire and still begs his pay piggies for cash
I didn’t know Bill Burr was working for B&T now.
That cuck doesn't even own a gun why would he ever work in the firearm industry.
He owns at least a shotgun and a 22.
No he doesn’t, his hideous nog wife cucked him out of guns and made him give away his dog, he’s an enormous b***h and he hasn’t been funny in years.
>$6k for a 7.62x54r rifle after Russian ammo just got banned
Wish PSA would clone this shit instead of making non correct stg 44 garbage.
1 Moa svd shaped object would be cool
>instead of making non correct stg 44 garbage.
The work on that was already done for them though. I don't see how this is a one or the other deal.
It's not I am just mad I can't afford this SVD and PSA isn't making a correct clone of the stg in 8mm kurz. In before stop being poor. I would if I could.
if poor is the issue why the frick would you want it in a mostly dead caliber pumped out by only one company at best. if I scrimp my pennies to buy a gucci gun I'm buying a scar in .308 not a sig spear in .277 furry.
>if I scrimp my pennies to buy a gucci gun I'm buying a shitty AR18 that destroys itself not a shitty AR15 that destroys itself
Just buy an M1A bruv.
M1As are the worst .308 battle rifle or DMR you can get
Just plain wrong, literally everyone who has one or even who has just shot one will agree it's an extremely nice rifle.
Speaking from experience it's more comfortable to shoot than literally any other semi auto .308 I have owned PTR, FAL, SCAR, AR10 all of them I sold but kept the M1A because it was actually enjoyable. Haven't owned or even shot any of the more boutique or rarer battle rifles like the BREN2 or 308 Galils but they would need to be pretty damn good to out do the M1A.
>Speaking from experience it's more comfortable to shoot than literally any other semi auto .308
Because you have a heavy as frick match version and shoot from a bench all the time. The M1A is not as accurate, heavier, and you have consistent recurring issues with accuracy and bedding every time you dissemble and clean. God forbid if you ever get into mud or sand. Which realistically, none of us do, but still.
Imagine claiming M1As are the peak battle rifle in the current year +7
No, it's a standard scout model that I have used for both target shooting and hunting for years, and since I have actually owned the guns I'm talking about I can tell you it's lighter than the G3, better balanced than the FAL, slightly heavier than the SCAR and AR10 but not by much since both of those have shit or no irons and an optic makes up that difference. I never claimed it was peak battle rifle I said it's good and I like it more than every other one I've owned. They are all fine guns and none of them except the PTR had major issues, just didn't like them.
As far as accuracy goes it shoots somewhere between 1-2 MOA with M80 ball and 1 or less with Sierra, but I also haven't taken it past about 400 yards so maybe it would open up more. As far as practical accuracy offhand I can only shoot at about 3 MOA standing or 2 on a good day and every one of those rifles could do that or better. The stock bedding shit was never an issue I thought it would be but still after thousands of rounds and at least 100 disassembles it's still good to go, definitely more loose than when I got it but it's still tight.
Finally, yes sand and mud in the action will absolutely jam it up as will just holding the damn thing wrong, but that's never been an issue for me and I don't know many people willing to just throw their gun into the mud and blast off for fun.
>I never claimed it was peak battle rifle
Stopped there. Because I said it was the worst battle rifle or .308 DMR. And you argued against that. I never asked what you liked more. I’m talking performance. Show me performance.
Also
>scout version
>shorter barrel
>brags it’s lighter
No shit Sherlock. It’s almost like steel is heavy
Based metagay moron.
Go actually shoot for once in your life my guy.
>no argument
Thanks for proving me right
>delusional boomer thinks his benchrested safe queen is a "battle" rifle
the fact that they dont have a pistol grip makes them shit on a stick. sorry boomer.
>I can't afford this SVD
>he thinks he could afford a proper STG44 repro in 8mm kurz, given the extremely limited production numbers such a gun would see
Anon, I...
To be fair to him, actual STG44 repros made from Original WW2 tooling are only 4k, while still expensive I'd rather pay that much for something that rare than 6k for a dragunov that is common everywhere but here
>actual STG44 repros made from Original WW2 tooling
Are those even obtainable in the USA? I remember some anons said parts kits with receiver flats were imported and sold for $4k, but no more are coming over.
I know people like to LARP as crypto billionares or something around here but calling somebody poor over a $6k gun is fricking moronic anyway. I grew up pretty well off and make good money but there's a lot of shit I'd rather have for six grand than a fricking Hungarian Dragunov. Maybe it'd be different if it was my dream gun since childhood or whatever but I think very few people on here can actually justify a $6k gun, especially when we've all got a million other expensive things we'd rather have.
>$6k towards a new dirtbike
>Hungarian Dragunov
Yeah this is fricking dumb, lol. It's a Soviet era DMR. You can buy today's latest and greatest for less.
Funny enough a bike is exactly what I had in mind when I wrote that. I really want to get into ADVs but I'm not sure if I'm gonna get a dual sport or a lightweight ADV as a starter, never had a bike before so I don't want to go too overboard or spend a ton on something I'm probably gonna drop in the first month.
Spring for an adv, maybe even a 650. I started on the Z400 and not only did I not drop it, the bike got small on me very fast
I have a dr650, I recommend it to people often.
My biggest gripe with it is it's not a six speed, so if you change the sprocket for lower first gear you lose a bit off your top end.
Aside from that they are fricking great, especially because it's an ancient design - cheap, fun, economical, easy to fix and find parts for.
I'm just not that big of a guy, 30" inseam, so I'm concerned about the combo of height and weight with zero experience if I get a 650 or bigger ADV.
Yeah, I hear good things about the Hondas aside from the suspension, which is fixable if it really comes down to it. I like the looks of them more than the other brands too.
Nah, kids are unlikely to ever happen. I'm 36 and haven't had a date in years and my career isn't very conducive to relationships or especially raising kids. Maybe things will change when I move out of SoCal though, been stuck here for the last decade (not really by choice, took what was supposed to be a short-term job and then got trapped) and women here are a fricking nightmare compared to pretty much anywhere else.
I started on a honda dual sport and I stand by they are the most enjoyable of the 6 or so bikes I've owned.
>sssiiipp
>yep CRF 450, all ya need son
If you have kids and want to teach them, I'd recommend the CRF 250 instead tho
CRF 250 is fine for adults also. But you do make a good point
Exactly. I could get an AR-10, a scope, and a thermal to swap to for $6k or less. And I’d end up with a more accurate rifle with better ammunition availability that is much better to reload for.
Get a crf250l they are based and cheap and easy to sell, if you want to go like 120mph get the 450
A large portion of the people who try to make things about money are from urban areas where income is normally higher, who have started making up a large portion of gun owners in recent years. It's a lot easier for someone to drop a couple grand on a gun when rent for a studio apartment where they live is already over a grand.
A couple grand is one thing, six grand is another IMO. There's a lot of stuff for $2k that's either better than cheaper stuff or where there's no cheaper equivalent, once you're up to $6k you're way into diminishing returns and I'd rather have three $2k guns or two $3k guns or whatever for the money. That's all before you factor in the cost of an appropriate optic and some spare mags, which I'd guess are egregious. (Existing ones on the market seem to be about $100 each, dunno what B+Ts spares will cost.)
Personally the only gun I'd spend $6k on is a nice sporting over/under shotgun but I view that sort of thing differently because you're getting a gorgeous hand-finished heirloom piece and it's something you can actually get a lot of use out of shooting clays or hunting. The Dragunov, on the other hand, is a stamped piece of shit that's only expensive because it's rare and "iconic."
>The Dragunov, on the other hand, is a stamped piece of shit that's only expensive because it's rare and "iconic."
No it isn't. It's a milled semi automatic match rifle from a dude who shot competitively at the highest levels. It's old af sure but revolutionary at the time.
>It's old af sure
True
>but revolutionary at the time.
Delusional
He's completely right. The rifle came out in the 60s as a full on production semi-automatic marksman rifle. The west had literally nothing similar. The closest thing until the M110 was adopted decades later would be individually accurized practically semi-custom rifles.
You are supremely dumb and delusional. Literally 0 idea what you're talking about.
No, you just don't know anything about what you are talking about. The US had literally no equivalent to the dragunov. The one thing we had close to it were individually accurized M14s (ie, M21), and that would remain the case straight up until fricking 2008. Literally four and a half decades after the Dragunov entered service. Otherwise it was bolt action M24s.
The only other western marksman rifle of note would be the PSG-1, which again, was a heavily customized service rifle.
It's easy in an age of readily accessible AR10s to imagine it was always like this. It wasn't.
Absolutely deluded moron. Massively dumb and stupid.
It must be nice being so blissfully ignorant, too stupid to even realize how dumb you are.
Yes, smart soviets that stole all their technological achievments totally outwitted dumb westerners, you're very right my brain damaged slavaboo friend.
Get a room
I'll frick your mouth if you don't shut it
US and the entire NATO had dragunov equivalents for their entire armies for decades before soviet shit-eaters made theirs. All you had to do is pick a better shooting one out of the armory and put a scope on it.
Comparing it to actual sniper rifles is what an utterly moronic kid would do. Were you dropped on your head as a kidm i.e. 5 or so years ago?
>US and the entire NATO had dragunov equivalents for their entire armies
Wrong. They had literally zero equivalents, which would become a major problem for Germany and lead to multiple rifles being built to fill the role.
>All you had to do is pick a better shooting one out of the armory and put a scope on it.
Nice, your service rifle that has to be hand customized and was never even meant to mount a scope in the first place sure is equivalent to a production line mass produced rifle. No wait, it's not the same thing at all!
>nooo you can't point out facts I don't like!
Go back to twitter before you forget to breathe and pass out dimwit.
>Wrong. They had literally zero equivalents
You repeat this but this just isn't true.
>Nice, your service rifle that has to be hand customized
Poor strawman, the rifles that were customized were head and shoulders above the soviet rickety junk of the period.
You know that PSO scope on a side mount doesn't really look good as a comparison to the "rifles that never meant to mount a scope", right?
>dedicated scope on a dedicate mount doesn't look good compared to an M14 that literally has no scope mount
uh right
>You repeat this but this just isn't true.
That's wrong. We can sit here all day and argue about it, but your b***h feelings don't matter. A production line mass produced gun that's actually issued is nowhere near the same thing as hand-selected and customized rifles.
>Poor strawman
Not a strawman, stick to words you understand or you'll look even dumber than you actually are. That's a low bar to meet, try not to go lower. From post #1 I have very clearly stated this fact. Your ESL ass being unable to read past your hurt feelings isn't my problem.
>dedicated scope on a dedicate mount
lol
>That's wrong. We can sit here all day and argue about it, but your b***h feelings don't matter.
Anger and insults, the delusional cultist has nothing else to offer.
>A production line mass produced gun
My toilet is a better production line than a soviet factory.
>Not a strawman
It is a strawman. A stock rifle that's better than average for standard infantry rifles from the infantry rifle production line will shoot as good as the svd. A hand fitted rifle will shoot like no soviet gun of comparable type has ever shot.
After this guy b***hing about ESL out of the blue i wonder if it's armatard protecting another of his golden calfs again.
>Anger and insults
facts and logic didn't work and you clearly seem to value anger and insults more. It's the only argument you have offered at all that had any weight afterall. I suspect you don't listen at all unless someone is able to shout louder than you to get through your thick moronic Black person skull. So I will shout. You're less than an ape. An ape is capable of learning and doesn't get mad when it finds out something new. You do. You absolute cretin.
>It is a strawman
No, it's not. You do not know what a strawman argument even is. You simply know it as a buzzword to shout whenever you're losing an argument.
>A stock rifle that's better than average for standard infantry rifles from the infantry rifle production line will shoot as good as the svd. A hand fitted rifle will shoot like no soviet gun of comparable type has ever shot.
See, this here however is a strawman argument. You are inventing an argument and attacking it, rather than the statement itself. I did not say a customized M14 is bad, less accurate than a dragunov, or anything of the sort. That is your own fabrication.
A hand customized rifle can shoot good. What it can't do is be issued to enough people to make a significant difference on the battlefield. This is why having a mass produced marksman rifle is important. You can argue against this objective fact, but the US and NATO as a whole agree with me and put out contracts for such rifles.
>m-muh armatard muh esl
Maybe stop arguing like a halfHispanic Black person and I won't assume you just don't speak fricking English mongoloid dipshit.
lol, pretty positive this is armatard. lying and disingenous arguments make sense now.
russia will never be a real power.
I'm sure you're sure of a lot of things. That's what it's like being moronic. The problem is you're always wrong.
Armatard doesn't even own guns. You two have that in common.
armatard also sucks donkey dicks and is afraid of his own mother.
It’s just a run of the mill vatnik. I asked him earlier if he even owned one and he didn’t reply.
Post guns, we did after all.
I did. The AR way earlier is me. I’m not the guy you just asked to post guns
>rifle so shit he won't even link it
>t-trust me bro I already did
yeah sure moron
Fine I’ll do it again. Bottom one is same as
Then post it again. I dare you
Burden of the proof is on you, as I already posted it once.
Shit forgot to attach it
>42kb ant picture cropped from my collection picture
>no timestamp
Lmao
Why lie? That was my ar.
>No, it's not.
Yes it is. Arguing like you can only compare handfit guns to the inaccurate POS that is the SVD is a strawman. Going into wordy armatard-esque tirades won't change that.
>Yes it is.
No it's not. Stating a production line rifle is not the same thing as a custom one can't even be a strawman argument-it's a statement. Whining like a dipshit won't change that. Learn what words mean, before using them Jamal.
>No it's not.
Yes it is. Claiming that you can only compare the gun to custom ones when there are examples of production line guns is a strawman. Trying to evade the fact won't make it go away, you're a fallacious dishonest vatnik shitter, armatard.
>Claiming that you can only compare the gun to custom ones when there are examples of production line guns is a strawman.
Name a semi-automatic production line marksman rifle available in the 1960s.
M1-D. Literally the only mod is a scope mount.
>mod
I accept your defeat
Compared to the garbage that is PSO, i guess SVD really just can't compare, true. No wonder soviets themselves hardly ever use them and instead just resort to the similarly garbage iron sights.
So the SVD is modded too because it has a scope mount?
No because it comes with a scope mount by design from the factory. It's not something added afterwards.
Sniper garands were designed to be used with a scope
I accept your defeat
>add a scope mount
So it's not a marksman rifle available from a production line in the 1960s.
You've only ever seen a PSO in videogames.
It's more of a marksman rifle than SVD, i'll tell you that much. The PSO is borderline unusable, just like most russian military hardware you shill for, armatard.
>The PSO is borderline unusable
>says the noguns who never used one even after multiple people who own dragunov told him the exact opposite and even posted groups.
Don't pop a vein, hun.
You own 0 guns, armatard. You're also a stinky mud blooded vatBlack person.
The Noguns is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But tell him to post guns and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out".
Armatard is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a mutt, vatnik, pidor, schizo, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But tell him he sucks donkey dicks and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out".
Your turn now.
>shitflings saying you don't own guns
>gets btfo by half the thread
>let things simmer down
>repeat shitfling by talking shit about things you know nothing about as you arw a noguns
Really? Again?
Why are you samegayging, armatard?
Why do you sit here and whine about guns, when you don't own any?
I don't understand people who think that if they like x they must hate y.
I like ARs, I like AKs, I like Dragunovs, I like Garands, etc.
Neat rifle anon.
>I don't understand people who think that if they like x they must hate y.
He's a PrepHoleirgin. The only thing he knows how to do is rabidly whine like it's a console war. It doesn't need to make sense.
>Neat rifle anon.
thanks
Of course you ran away a second time
Still waiting for your guns
No, the PSO is fine. So is the dragunov. You just think it's bad because you don't know which chevron to aim with in videogames. You've never seen either in real life and never will.
>You've only ever seen a PSO in videogames.
Same as you
M1C, M1D, M21. Portugal had AR-10s with scopes in 1960. Like I said this morning at the very beginning of this thread.
>M1C, M1D, M21
None of which are production line mass produced rifle. All are customized service rifles, exactly as I said.
>inaccurate POS
See
Here's a Brazilian FAL shooting 1 MOA group using irons. So much for the much vaunted soviet precision.
>2.5" group
>1 MOA
lol, moron
You didn't watch the video, there's 1 MOA group. Who's the moron here?
>there's 1 MOA group
There's nothing even close to 1 MOA.
>It's old af sure but revolutionary at the time.
>vatBlack folk think a semi auto rifle with a 4x scope is revolutionary in 1963
>laughs in M1C and M1D Garand
M1 carbines had rudimentary night vision at the end of WWII and in Korea. It was heavy and only worked for about 100 yards but it existed. That’s revolutionary. The first mass issued semi auto rifle is revolutionary. A semi auto rifle with a low power fixed scope is not.
Pic related. A Portuguese AR-10 with a 3.6x scope. From 1960 you absolute idiot.
>Not clone correct
That is gay, but
>Not in 8mm Kurz
They said that would be available. And while it's extremely unpopular, it is attainable, and brass can be made from any .30-06/8mm Mauser/.308 based cartridge.
>It's not I am just mad I can't afford this SVD
Very few people can. I “could” but it would be financial burden. Yeah I could not save/invest for 3-4 months but that’s dumb. Spending $6k on a gun that isn’t even that good at what it does is moronic. People who buy this are actually really rich, which is 1-5% of the total population, or idiots with zero future planning skills
No you wouldn't
PSA should make the ammo for it first.
Lol get fricked. I would pay 1500$ for a dragunov. Not a penny more
Stay broke loser
Only worth if you really like the aesthetics of the rifle. Otherwise, there's much better deals to be had elsewhere.
The only reason 90% of people want this is because it was in cawadooty. There’s no appeal to it other than looks and rarity so you can flex in poorgays at the range.
You can already do that with a PSL because no one at the range can tell the difference
Or you could bring an SR-25, or SCAR-20S, or some super accurate home build AR-10. $6k for this is fricking ridiculous lol.
It's not as good looking, but it's still got the vibe. I just wish surplus mags were easier to find at a decent price.
Neat PSL anon.
Thanks fren
the polymer mags work fine
Nice, I'll czech them out.
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6k is a low price for an SVD, the greatest rifle ever made. This is actually competitive with the current low end of the SVD used market, tigrs and NDM86 (5-12k). Set it up right and it will shit over any LMT MARS, Stag-10, Ruger SFAR, DPMS LR308, POF DI revolution, SR-25, 417, XCRM, or any other assorted garbage.
>Set it up right and it will shit over any LMT MARS, Stag-10, Ruger SFAR, DPMS LR308, POF DI revolution, SR-25, 417, XCRM,
Sure sure whatever you say
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Oh..... frick
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
...... Wow. This took some serious time and effort, and it's very, very silly. I appreciate it.
its okay to like a gun anon but with this level of pure stalinium grade copium how have you not passed out yet.
>t. used to custom guns.
What is this from again? I remember this.
something in me wants to say spy kids. idk why
Nice! I can't wait to pick two up. That's a great price for an SVD.
Advertising is against the rules
>It's advertising to be exciting a gun I wanted now costs less than half as much
yeah alright bud, I'd be miserable too if I couldn't afford an SVD.
Svd is shit
No, I will not elaborate
>Even if we take your cope that its 2MOA, that is still enough to reliably hit a human at 900m
>$6000
FN, KAC, LMT, you can practically buy any western equivalent that has seen modern military use and ease of accessorizing, for the same or less than $6000, holy frick.
$4k for an LMT+$2k optic or $6k for Hungarian shit. Yeah pretty easy math there
Yeah I'd take the SVD all day. Why would you spend $4k on an LMT + Optic? You will literally never be rightside up on that if you try to sell it.
Because he would actually shoot it? Crazy idea around here I know
You can shoot an SVD just as easily as you can shoot an LMT .308. And unlike an LMT, an SVD will have a different shooting experience that distinguishes it from a $1500 Stag/Aero etc. AR-10. An SVD is just a cooler gun. What satisfaction could you possibly get out of shooting shooting an MWS or something that another random AR couldn't give you?
>What satisfaction could you possibly get out of shooting shooting an MWS or something that another random AR couldn't give you?
Not him but better performance and accuracy gives satisfaction.
>appealing to practicality and price/performance when niche collector guns are involved
Are you pretending to be moronic?
Nah they're too sore to admit they are wrong. It's like b***hing at someone buying a nice vintage car they like with their disposable income because you can have a shitbox for 1/3 the price.
its either a collectors item or something still useful and accurate compared to modern rifles. it cannot be both anon.
>you cant have your wiener and eat it too.
>still useful and accurate compared to modern rifles
It's a lightweight sub-2 MOA semi rifle in a full power rifle caliber with a somewhat passable 4x scope.
If you think this is somehow an unusable relic from the prehistory of firearms, I dunno what to tell you.
So are you saying a WA2000 is not a collector item? Because it's both accurate, historic and rare. Plenty of guns are.
>seems less than 200 were ever made.
no shit thats a collectors item you massive moron. how did you even think this was comparable.
>spending 6k on a "2moa" rifle with old ammo.
you do you man.
>you do you man
I actually spent around $2k on it because I'm not a burger, but your point was that it isn't relevant today at all, meanwhile it'll still kill a homie within 600m easy.
Sure anyone can get an AR10 variant with a FAR better glass for less, but it's still doing roughly the same job, stop acting like it's a flintlock.
never said it was completely useless just that for the money its pointless. i was comparing the 6k rifle not whatever you bought it for. whoever buys a 6k svd and expects it to be as good as a modern 6k rifle or even half the price has crippling stupid in there genepool.
>well i bought a case of mosins in 1978 for 100 bucks is a terrible argument.
>whoever buys a 6k svd and expects it to be as good as a modern 6k rifle or even half the price
You are imagining a person in your head and getting upset with them.
Stop.
are you projecting some dumb shit you clearly do.
stop.
>6k
Outside of the US tigrs are 1.2k and svd around 2-3k.
In the US a dragunov IS a collector item. Same way a fricking SW mp15 is a collector item in bongland.
>seems less than 200 were ever made
You're free to take a guess as to how many genuine SVDs are there in the US
>imported vs ever made implying they could be imported later vs only less than 200 existing period.
whut
>implying they could be imported late
>banned by name
Really now homie
Supply and demand ring no bell?
I hope you burgers get rid of dumb import laws like these because dragunovs are really fun guns. With the number you could sell in the US they would easily go under 1k usd. Around here there are a couple of boomers who hunt boars with svds in 9mm brenneke.
>I hope you burgers get rid of dumb import laws
Sadly, it's never going to happen because the laws are unfortunately supported by both sides of the aisle and most domestic firearms companies.
>svd in 9x64
stop, please, i dont get jealous of eurohomosexuals often but this is too much
You don't know how well you can actually hold your rifle till the svd in 9,3x64 brenneke that the local boomer is letting you try out starts slamfiring because he cleaned it only once in 10 years and the firing pin gets stuck in the out position.
>slamfiring SVD
you now have my attention.
With svd if you don't clean them they can eventually start slamfiring, but it's rare. Now they all have a spring in the firing pin channel to prevent that. Still even a spring doesn't help when boomer-san doesn't know that you're supposed to clean your gun at least once every 10 years.
Non hunter here. Why are hunters so obsessed with 9 brenneke?
>implying we want any guns banned.
>they keep importing morons into the city to pump out what results they want.
>implying we dont want 1.5k SVD's or other cool shit.
lazy nig nogs got into office and found a way to pander to the lowest common denominator.
I wish because 9mm SVD makes my dick tingle but unfortunately probably not
>6k usd for mac sloppy seconds
No thanks.
I knew Mac was a scumbag but I didn't expect him to be so greedy over a few rifles when he's already a trust fun millionare.
He’s a israelite shill. Not surprised he acts so israeli
It's more the importer's fault than his. They decided to offer him the entire lot of rifles for a lump sump rather than trying to collect preorders from AK Files members who didn't even put money down upfront.
I mean, while I do think MAC was a israelite in the overall scenario, if you were the original exporter in this case, would you trust a bunch of randoms on a forum to upfront large sums of cash? I would be looking at realiable buyer alternatives like mac too.
If I were an exporter I'd sell to whoever had the highest bid because isn't that the point? To make money? It isn't a charity operating on goodwill.
>asking to receive the product for which you put a down payement to is asking for charity
Bootlickers, I swear.
His point was a known figure willing to buy all at once may be less money in total, but it’s a lot safer than selling them one by one.
Would you take an 90% chance at having $1M or a guaranteed $800k?
Time value of money, the smaller check up front is actually worth more once you account for the fact that you can reinvest that money right away.
Well yeah that too. Although you’d need a large timeframe difference or really high returns to net a 12.5% difference.
My point was your expected return is $900k vs $800k. Mathematically you pick the first option, but it depends on your risk tolerance. The guaranteed profit is very appealing because you have no risk.
why no cugir or zastava for a third of that fantasy sum?
You fricking moron, thats not that bad. What did you think they cost when they were able to be imported?
slavaboos deserve everything that's coming to them
why do I have to be poorgay
Holy frick vatnik cope is amazing. I can’t believe someone believes what they do. It’s great.
Show me a sub 2 MOA dragunov. Shit just show me a SVD with a decently modern optic.
>Show me a sub 2 MOA dragunov
every SVD in the first magazine/cold
>it’s true because I say it
Like I said already, the issued PSO-1 scopes for SVDs have fricking 1.72MOA adjustments. How on earth is the rifle shooting 2 MOA when your scope adjusts at nearly 2 MOA?
>>it’s true because I say it
~~*mac*~~ himself shooting 2 MOA @ 150
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I’ll admit that’s better than I expected. However it’s 1, 3 shot group on steel that’s not even measured. You need a 5 shot group to show anything. Two of those rounds stacked but the 3rd was at least 2” over. Would the 4th and 5th be right on top of the first two? Or would they also be 2” off? And in what direction?
Try 1.5 MOA with chinkshit surplus
Where's the proof it was shot with an svd and it was actually chinese surplus? You probably shot at 50m you lying vatnik
I don't generally timestamp every single pic of a group just to prove shit to strangers on the internet and it wouldn't have been sufficient proof to you anyway without video evidence (neither will be this).
So believe what you want, this is your last (You).
(Groups will open up to 5+ MOA with the wrong ammo, I will give you that.)
go suck off the barrel of the m14 you love so much
Swing and a miss. Ive been shitting on the M14. I’m the one that said it’s the worst .308 battle rifle.
Also that’s completely irrelevant to what I said. Because you have no logical retort. A single 3 round group on steel that wasn’t measured doesn’t prove shit for accuracy. If that counts I’ve had a sub 1” group at 100 yards with a PSA and PMC 55gr. I do not think that those are a sub MOA combo.
>adjust chevron to be roughly on target
>aim at the same place
>check groupings
Anon, you know that it's not necessary to zero a rifle to check groupings? Have you ever shot a rifle?
Yes. So you’re saying it’s a very accurate rifle but you can’t hit where you want? Great fricking gun you’ve got there
>moving the goalpost
I didn't know a person was 3" wide.
I didn’t know you quantified accurate as the ability to hit a torso at 100 yards. By that metric the Brown Bess was good enough
At this point I'm convinced you truly never shot a rifle if you're still on the moronic idea that a rifle can only be as accurate as the minimum turrets increments. Do you know that you can still accurately and perfectly zero a scope even if it had 5MOA clicks?
>moving the topic again
Kek
>Do you know that you can still accurately and perfectly zero a scope even if it had 5MOA clicks?
No I didn’t. I would love to hear how. I’m nearly certain you can’t, but if somehow you can I’ll learn something new.
By unscrewing the turrets and fine tuning the reticle like when you want to squeeze further 10MOA for long range
>moving the goalpost
How? It's you who is a nogun and doesn't even know the basic of shooting.
>By unscrewing the turrets and fine tuning the reticle like when you want to squeeze further 10MOA for long range
>Just disassemble your scope bro
I thought you meant normal behavior
Now it's 100% confirmed you're either a noguns or never zeroed a scope. It's not disassemblying. It's the same fricking thing you have to do when zeroing a rifle amd you return the zero to the "1" on your turret.
Unscrewing your turrets and manually moving them slightly to try to get finer adjustments than 1.72 MOA is absolutely not a normal thing to do when zeroing.
>moving the goalpost again
Post guns
not even that anon, but stop playing word games you sad homosexual
Read
And tell me that’s normal behavior for any scope that’s not extreme long range or a Russian piece of shit. And if it’s extreme long range, just get a scope made for it.
The shitfling started because you're too moronic to understand that the moa derivation of turret clicks of an optic have frickall to do with the accuracy of the rifle. He just showed you that if someone is autistic enough to want a perfect mathematical zero you can. You're just a moron who has too much ego to admit you're wrong.
>And if it’s extreme long range, just get a scope made for it.
Why are you arguing about extreme long range with a DMR rifle with a 4x optic that it's perfectly adequate for shooting sub 600 yards, ie a fricking DMR?
>Why are you arguing about extreme long range
I’m not?
Because you aren't dialing you scope around while shooting a group you fricking moron. Besides that, 1.72 MOA adjustments still means that your zero will be within .86 MOA of where it should be.
>Besides that, 1.72 MOA adjustments still means that your zero will be within .86 MOA of where it should be.
Kek so only 5.16” off from your point of aim at 600 yards. You know, the distance this is made for.
Are you that much of a contrarian or slavboo you’re defending the PSO?
Not the guy you replied to but if you get lucky (obviously that's a bad concept but we're talking 60 year old rifle and optic combinations here fellas) then there's nothing to stop you from having a pretty precise system besides the shooter himself.
>you’re defending the PSO
Yes. Considering no one ever had a problem hitting stuff even beyond 600m. You read a few numbers and without even understanding jack shit about the basics of zeroimg a rifle or shooting pretend to be an expert.
>posts a gun using a different fixed 4x while defending the PSO
Kek
>doesn't post a gun whatsoever
Lol
Literally the next post below you
>Kek so only 5.16” off from your point of aim at 600 yards
Now consider all the other errors you'd be looking at at that distance, and that they aren't all going to align in the same direction.
This. The PSO-1 is designed to work like the ACOG, just with calibrated BDC turrets rather than a modern BDC reticle, and better hold points for wind. Once you introduce all the error from relying on a fixed stadiametric rangefinder, not taking environmental factors into account besides wind calls, and the accuracy of the wind calls you're making, not having a perfect zero isn't that big of a deal.
>ITT: war tourist PrepHoleshitters getting triggered by "no just because the design is russian doesn't mean it's complete trash"
>ITT: resident vatniks lie and make shit up before being called out and crying about it profusely
>everyone i don't like is a vatnik
Cry more, go troll on /b/
>behaves like a vatnik
>lies like a vatnik
>plays a victim like a vatnik
hmm, i wonder who that might be?
And this is for rustling your jimmies. War tourists can frick off /k/ whatever side they're on.
>azov
Baste
>finland svds
Wut?
The Finns used them for a bunch of years, sako makes replacement parts. Only recently have they been going to replace them with sako made AR10s
>sako makes replacement parts
Are they still available?
imagine wanting something that's been forbidden fruit,
but buying it the same time as a million other yokels.
Never join a club that would have you as member.
>that shit ass furniture
>whatever the FRICK is going on with that FSB
Not even if you paid me, lmao.
don't forget 7 moa dogshit (original and repo lmao)
>another svd slavaboo homosexual using stolen pictures
>Same cost as my L119A1 including optics
I have lusted after an SVD since I was like 8 years old because of Conflict: Desert Storm, but $6k is fricking moronic.
L129A1*
From this thread i understoon one thing: SVD is the soviet M14.
The svd for it's time was okay and was adopted by multiple militaries. The m14 was a problem from the first day.
They are both outdated nowaday.
is this the same rifle?
It's an svd. But it's not the "hungarian" feg 18 shit they're importing.
$6k isn't exactly out of my reach, but it's a lot for a rifle that is going to be a display piece 99% of the time and maybe shot once a year at most. I would buy the Sig MCX Spear at $4k before this.
If you're going to buy an svd just save up a bit more and buy an ndm or a tigr instead of this weird monstrosity.
The problem with buying something that old is you never know how it's been treated by bubba for the past 30 years.
I don't think so.
>instead of this weird monstrosity.
Dumb Black person it's just the furniture + FSB. Swap that out and it's a dragunov.
>Get a tigr or NDM instead
An ndm would be fine too but you'll be paying more for a gun that's probably been shot a good amount but a TIGR has the cuck barrel that you'd spend hundreds or thousands on just the barrel then youd need to go to the effort of changing it and changing the furniture anyway.
This new version looks fine. The only thing I would do is thread the barrel to use a suppressor.
Did the AK Files people actually put down money, or did they just post "put me down for one" when some rando asked if they want Dragunovs?
They did.
>TIGR has the cuck barrel
Tigr barrel are the same as any other russian svd barrel. They come both in lomg barrel and short barrel. The only difference between a Tigr and a SVD nowadays is the bayonet lug. For all other differences you can find versions with or without.
>Tigr barrel are the same as any other russian svd barrel.
Actually all Tigrs use a different twist rate than the military version, better suited for stabilizing heavy lead bullets.
No, all russian SVD and Tigr produced (after 1970 for svds) nowadays use a 1:240mm twist rate for custom bullets like AP, API, explosive etc. The original twist rate was 1:320mm which nowadays is kept only by the NDM86. It wasn't just for the weight of the bullet.
Yes, Tigrs use 1:320mm twist rate, rather than the faster 1:240mm rate the military switched to after 1974 because they couldn't supply the match ammo consistently and wanted to use common API and tracer rounds.
Are you mentally handicapped?
Are you? Izmash clearly states they use 320 twist rate for their civilian rifles.
How come both my Tigr and all the other Tigrs I have seen in stores have clearly stated in their manual 1:240mm twist rate? You can literally try it with a cleaning rod and a brush
I guess it's because KC are homosexuals.
True, butbit doesn't change the fact that my tigr has a 1:240mm twist rate.
How did the import market get like this? Because there's no real competition? Century used to import as much cheap shit as they could and would build a kit gun out of anything.
>Century used to import as much cheap shit as they could and would build a kit gun out of anything.
Because countries had warehouses of surplus guns that they wanted gone and were selling for a fraction of what they were worth. No one is selling new production guns at a loss like that unless they're going out of business.
So the countries selling stuff to the importers realized they were getting a raw deal and all raised their prices tenfold?
>importers realized they were getting a raw deal
Anon, warehousing stuff costs money. All that cheap surplus that used to flood the market was because the cold war ended, and countries started looking at how much they were paying to have all the those guns and gear sitting in warehouses ready for mass conscription in the event of WWIII.
I dunno about other milsurp, but the SVD and other russian guns aren't literally banned by name from importation?
Not by name, only from russia, if it's an SVD made in Hungary or some other country it's fine.
So they already sold everything from the warehouses, that's why it isn't cheap anymore? We bought all the cheap stuff up? I'm sure that's part of it. But even new production AKs and such have all practically tripled in price.
>But even new production AKs and such have all practically tripled in price.
What new production AKs? The cheap ones from countries that were banned from import years ago? The cheap "US made" ones that were really just parts kits that came from cutting up finished guns that couldn't be legally imported?
>m-muh inflation
A talking point used by morons who have no clue about the firearms market, but still want to try to participate in discussion for some reason.
>denying that USD is collapsing in real time and people who aren't moronic want to get paid more
Ur dum lol
>USD is collapsing in real time
>total inflation since December of 2019 is 15%, rather than the 6% it was from December of 2016 to December of 2019
You don't even know what collapse looks like if you think that's anything close to it. Pic related is in Venezuela, hitting 1000% inflation in as short as 3 months.
>hitting 1000% inflation
*900% inflation
>import cucked SVD
>6K
lmao, no
just get an sks
I have a Norinco but I wonder what I can do to it to put a red dot on it. Nothing bubba related. Could I get a rail that goes where the rear sight goes to?
Yes
homosexual
>trap encourages people to settle for things that barely pass for what they really want on a good day, from a good angle, if you squint
Unsurprising tbh.
homosexual
>homosexual
>delusional
>and dumb
Checks out
Plastics have really done a number on the human race.
>how to tell everyone you’re a noguns without saying “I’m a noguns”
>sometimes it may pierce softer commercial primers causing a slamfire or KB
That's not even how it works.
I know how a stuck firing pin causes a slamfire, but I also know some SVDs have issues with the firing pin completely skewering soft primers, as in they are not detonating it but completely piercing it all the way through. Not sure what malf that would cause but I heard its an issue and i just thought it may be related.
I appreciate your enthusiasm of SVDs and I like them too, but goddman you're an autistic wreck.
He’s also wrong about like half of it
Yeah but I feel bad about stomping his enthusiasm.
The short stroke piston system is longer than 9"
>But seriously comparing an M1D is very laughable. Western accurized rifles didn't become very well used until much later, and even then the M1C, M1D and M21 never saw that much use.
You didn’t argue efficacy. You said it was revolutionary. Which is patently false. There were tens of thousands of M1Cs and M1Ds made for WWII and Korea.
>The SVD was built from the ground up as a platoon sniper
All the other SVD gays say it’s not a sniper rifle.
>with provisions to double duty as a battle rifle.
With 10 round mags. Lol. Lmao.
>It was truly the end of small arms technology -- full stop. Evgeniyy F. Dragunov was a genius and the SVD is the greatest rifle ever made.
Nice bait. You did make me reply again.
Nta but since you mentioned it, interestingly enough there are also 20rnd mags. But yeah, his claim that it was also a battle rifle is wrong.
There are also some bakelite 20 rounders that are incredibly rare and sometime go as high as 1k each.
Huh didn’t know that. Not surprising I guess
Pic of the bakelite one
If M1 Garand with clips is a battle rifle than SVD can be too.
>All the other SVD gays say it’s not a sniper rifle.
Its a matter of language. The term "DMR" didnt exist until a decade or two ago. Notice how many western DMRs from the era are also called "sniper" like the M21. The term "sniper" has been used for many things in history that do not fit the modern western definition of sniper rifle. The SVD is called a DMR retroactively because it fits that bill, but it was not designed as such. It was designed to replace the PU mosin in service, which was a platoon sniper. A platoon sniper rifle is simply a sniper rifle issued to the Platoon sniper which is attached to a company HQ. The SVD was not designed to be issued at a squad level, which technically means it should not be a DMR, or maybe it should be depending on what you consider a DMR to be. The term DMR is in quite wide acceptance in the west, but in Russia, most SVD and SVD shaped objects are referred to as Sniper rifles, because the term DMR hasn't quite caught on, the term DMR exists in a few phrases in russian that are kinda clunky and not as widespread as calling it sniper. Therefore I believe its most correct to refer to SVD as a platoon sniper, rather than DMR, even though both are correct. Many firearms designations in history change, like how the Lewis gun was an LMG before, but might not fit the modern definition for LMG.
The DMR terminology is pretty funny because pre 1960s the same role was known as just "snipers" and treated as such and used pretty commonly.
Now in 1960s when western armies developed more modern sniper doctrine where the snipers are not generally operating as part of the regular infantry units but rather as specialized teams trained in not just marksmanship but also camouflage and reconnaisance so this inherited the new technology. Meanwhile soviets never developed such a doctrine and stuck on using the old doctrine and subsequently the term the same way, causing confusion, more as time went on. It's only in modern russia did they make the effort to recreate such a modern doctrine.
Theres nothing wrong with the 10 round mags, its just a limit of the rimmed cartridge design. Those 20rd mags are vaporware, extremely rare and only made for SVU-A which was also extremely rare and limited production. However there is a russian company that makes a +5rd magazine extension, and 15 rds is almost 20, right?))
Also If SVD can be called a DMR when it existed 45+ years before such a term existed, then it can be a battle rifle too.
Im sorry for insulting the garand and M21, they are not bad rifles but I truly think SVD is the greatest rifle ever, so its hard for me to see eye to eye.
lol
those SVDMs are also vapourware, rare and limited production, only issued to some select units
Thank you anon, where did you find this information if you dont mind my asking? I would like to add it to my references
Here's an article, it's okay for the numbers if you look through the regular sugary russian autofellating propaganda. Just use the translate.
https://www.kalashnikov.ru/v-epohu-akm/
>Im sorry for insulting the garand and M21, they are not bad rifles
Im not offended. The Garand is a fantastic rifle for its era. The M14/21 kinda sucks
>but I truly think SVD is the greatest rifle ever, so its hard for me to see eye to eye.
You can think that but you are objectively wrong. It’s not the best even in its era at what you say it does.
You are missing my point entirely which is the SVD is not a revolutionary rifle. Full stop. It was done 2 decades prior and there were also contemporary competing designs which were better. Do you even own one?
M21 isn't that bad. It's not great as a military weapon due to being difficult to service and pretty finnicky and sensititve to weather conditions, however it's a transitional design from the old infantry snipers into the modern sniper doctrine and within that doctrine it's more of a purebred sniper rifle than an SVD, for example. They went a long way to make a precision weapon out of a gun that wasn't particularly suited to that, including hand picked guns that were glass bedded and tightened, outfitted with a respectable 3-9 adjustable scope and match ammo were all the result of a lot of effort put into making it accurate, which was commendable for the technology and tools available at the time.
>those SVDMs are also vapourware, rare and limited production, only issued to some select units
No shit. The MOD was supposed to buy them for a program to replace older SVD but some russian big shot preferred having a third yacht
svd cut to a 9" barrel would be breasts and would make boomers+collectors heads explode.
>If you were to put an SAG chassis on your rifle
Which isn’t how SVDs are issued so that’s irrelevant
Nta, but now they have pic rel, freefloat barrel and picatinny dust cover. Honestly better than a shitty SAG chassis that they don't even cover with warranty.
Nice of them to catch up with the rest of the world from 20-30 years ago
its actually $7500, the rep was given the wrong price
Kek that's hilarious, source?
video description in the TFB video as seen in OP
>Probably less than 10,000 were made before 1967-1968
There are production records from 1966, when there were 3726 rifles produced, with 3825 more the following year. For comparison, that same year 377 thousands of AKs were made.
I'm a british homosexual that fires guns whenever his majesty's government allows.
The SVD is a fricking cannon to a noguns homosexual used to firing shotguns and AKs.
7.62x39 is like a pea shooter by comparison.
The SVD is basically a DMR right? Is the recoil worse than 7.62x51?
I went straight back to the soft and playful AK and didn't bother with the SVD cos it was too angry
>The SVD is basically a DMR right?
Yes. And it’s decent to good at that.
>Is the recoil worse than 7.62x51?
Maybe. They are basically the same round. The gun weight and action will dictate recoil far more than the slight difference between any x51 and x54 loads
I've managed to shoot a few guns as I live next to the UKs biggest rifle range. lots of shotguns, a couple handguns, .22's, AK's, etc. For a noguns the SVD (which I shot in Poland) is quite the experience. Very hot and angry. I had no idea how to use the scope and the "instructors" were dogshit. My brother who actually used to shoot competitively was saying all the sights on all the guns weren't remotely zeroed anyway so I didn't hit shit with it, alas
>be me
>buys zastava m91 as ultra cope cause cant get real SVD
>this comes out
im killing myself
Look at the bright side, you're not supporting the israelites at FEG and MAC.
I like dragunovs
For 6k you could buy
>PVS-14
>A decent rifle
>ir illuminator
>good NV compatible optics
And have a much better time than blowing 6k on a rifle that just looks cool
Why not both? Poorgays gets the rope