It probably favors mobility over armour again. If it was designed like earlier leopards the design goals feature the german doctrine of taking defensive positions against the rushing russian orc armour giving the tanks the protection from field fortifications instead. Please don't forget that the BW still considers itself a defensive army due to both the lack of funding as well as the ineffective spending habits. It is unlikely you will ever see more than a few dozen Panthers.
That will change, even if it will take a decade at least to unfrick how castrated the BW became after the cold war ended. The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe, and something like 100 billion € will be invested to get them up to the 2% of GDP that NATO recomends.
Autoloader mainly, plus a bunch of small technological advancements here and there, maybe some next generation composite armor.
This. Having only two guys in the turret instead of three reduces the volume, wich in turn reduces the weight by a lot.
>The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe, and something like 100 billion € will be invested to get them up to the 2% of GDP that NATO recommends.
That counts for little if German bureaucracy and mismanagement remains incapable of allocating funds properly.
>The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe
That's a good thing. Once Russia is defeated someone will need to kick the Americans out.
Oh it's so much worse than that. Try injecting pointless, irrelevant moral discussions into the mix and you're getting close. We were literally debating whether or not we should get armed drones because the fricking CIA was bombing children in the middle east
In july the Bundestag decided changes to the Bundeswehrbeschaffungsgesetz which are supposed to speed up procurement.
https://www.bmvg.de/de/aktuelles/beschluss-beschaffung-fuer-die-bundeswehr-wird-beschleunigt-5450574
>reading the article it seems like a bunch of empty phrases
That's what i thought, but then i realized they activated it before the summer pause, which in itself is extremely fast and almost unheard of.
Besides, it fixes the most important flaw, that is, if you don't win the contract, you can sue the government and a judge must review the whole process. This is still possible, but the case now must be submitted and decided in weeks, instead of years.
Unlike you i'm optimistic that the changes have the desired effects.
As for Bundeswehrbeschaffungsbeschleunigungsgesetz, and i'm saying this with picrels voice: "Such is prose in the master race language"
Gesetz zur Beschleunigung der Beschaffung in der Bundeswehr translates into Law for the acceleration of the procurement of the Bundeswehr. There you go. Why do you brainlets have problems with Komposita?
A detailed list and explanation of what the 100 billion fund is for and where it's going(It is all in German though): https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/20/020/2002090.pdf
No, it's the same as everywhere else >Have no perspective and/or shit qualifications >Dude I think I'll join the army
Witnessed 4 cases like this in my social circle alone.
Women really like it too for some reason. They are a huge deadweights during basic and suck fricking ass as NCOs. Lots of manhating dykes I heard.
German military spending is equivalent to France's. Yet France has more soldiers, vehicles, aircraft, NUKES, and an aircraft carrier. Plus, France has a more active tempo, with multiple military deployments in Africa. German spending sure is inefficient.
A surprising amount of a tank's weight comes from electronics. You can easily shave off a couple of tons replacing metal wiring with fibre optics and smaller, lighter modern subsystems
This. Anon probably is correct and yet everyone overlooked his post. There's something like 2-3 thousand pounds of copper from the wiring and electronics in modern tanks.
>Is it a glass cannon with minimal protection like the Leopard 1?
Yeah, so what? It's flashy bait for Saudis and co. It's never going to see combat and even if it does it's going to be operated by clueless idiots who'd get obliterated even if they had the best tanks ever. If the crown prince thinks it looks the coolest that's good enough.
Tricking Saudis into buying the most cyberpunk looking thing on the market.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So... decoration?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally, yeah.
2 years ago
Anonymous
IMO correct take.
Did German MoD show any interest in this thing? Personally I don't see why they would opt for Leo2A4 with new turret over 2A7 they already have. It's not like they desperately need 130mm cannon to compete with any russian tank. Probably just a scheme to trick saudis into co-financing some parts of MGCS development. The actual real next-gen german tank most likely won't happen in next 10-15 years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why cope? That's within official timeline for MGCS. Germany also isn't in any hurry to replace their top of the line 2A7 any time soon. I mean even if russians fix and actually start producing armatas in any reasonable number (they won't) that still makes no difference, 2A7 will deal with it just fine anyway. Germans absolutely can take their time with development of entirely new tank.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its an entirely different tank to leopard and built by a completely different company.
Multispectral camouflage?
I honestly dont know, but every time someone points out extraneous features on military equipment, it turns out they have a purpose.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>every time someone points out extraneous features on military equipment, it turns out they have a purpose.
What about the times it turns out the feature didn't have a purpose, and was eventually removed for that reason?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Like what?
2 years ago
Anonymous
SMLE magazine cutoff? Brightly colored uniforms? M16 carry handle? I'm sure there are many examples of extraneous features that had little practical utility and later got removed or dropped from future revisions.
Yes you have and you'll keep repeating the same shit the next 20 threads as well.
I am not your internet nemesis, I have never even discussed the Panther on /k/ before. I don't claim to know anything about it.
Instead of accusing me of being somebody I'm not, why don't you just tell me what it's for?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally all of those had a practical purpose, even brightly colored uniforms.
Don't even bother replying to this post, dumb Black person.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, the M16 carry handle had the "purpose" of carrying the rifle, except that wasn't actually a useful purpose and it was later removed.
>Don't even bother replying to this post, dumb Black person.
I haven't insulted you, you're upset about nothing.
>why don't you just tell me what it's for?
Because you come across like a israelite and I don't respect you.
If you actually care, open the archive and search for shroud. Then see the same 2-3 answers being given every time and the same morons repeating the same shit every thread anyway.
It's really not that complicated and with even just a passing interest you should be able to come up with at least one of the three reasons through sheer guesstimation.
See this anon [...]
None of the 3 are new concepts.
>multi-spectral camouflage
Hiding a hot gun from IR I guess? That makes sense. What are the other two reasons?
btw I searched the archive and mostly found pages and pages of talk about barrel shrouds for rifles e.g. "the thing that goes up". I did however find one post saying it was to protect the barrel from the APS and another saying it was to cover a water cooling system. These seem a bit dubious. Are tank barrels really water cooled? and would that sheet metal shroud really protect a barrel that is made of a much more substantial piece of metal already? Does the shroud covers composite armor that protects the barrel? Or is the shroud itself the protection?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>M16 carry handle had the "purpose" of carrying the rifle
It had a main purpose of serving as a strong and durable riser+wings for the rear sight assembly, which was deliberately raised above the bore for reasons that are accepted as recieved wisdom today. Dumbass.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>why don't you just tell me what it's for?
Because you come across like a israelite and I don't respect you.
If you actually care, open the archive and search for shroud. Then see the same 2-3 answers being given every time and the same morons repeating the same shit every thread anyway.
It's really not that complicated and with even just a passing interest you should be able to come up with at least one of the three reasons through sheer guesstimation.
See this anon
Multispectral camouflage?
I honestly dont know, but every time someone points out extraneous features on military equipment, it turns out they have a purpose.
None of the 3 are new concepts.
2 years ago
Anonymous
that other anon's got me curious too now, what the frick is the barrel shroud for? why are you evading the question so hard, you homosexual?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's just decoration to fool sand people >just like these features that weren't just decoration!
Black person have you ever carried a gun over longer periods? What's your largest caliber, 9mm?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not the one who made those claims. I don't claim to know anything about this tank.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're the one who pretended a carry handle had no purpose.
That's moronic, at best it isn't worth the effort on all rifles, but it has a purpose on all rifles. Your other 2 examples weren't without purpose either.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Either way, I really just want to know what the shroud on tank barrels is for.
Protecting crewmen from burns?
2 years ago
Anonymous
that other anon's got me curious too now, what the frick is the barrel shroud for? why are you evading the question so hard, you homosexual?
Yeah, the M16 carry handle had the "purpose" of carrying the rifle, except that wasn't actually a useful purpose and it was later removed.
>Don't even bother replying to this post, dumb Black person.
I haven't insulted you, you're upset about nothing.
[...] >multi-spectral camouflage
Hiding a hot gun from IR I guess? That makes sense. What are the other two reasons?
btw I searched the archive and mostly found pages and pages of talk about barrel shrouds for rifles e.g. "the thing that goes up". I did however find one post saying it was to protect the barrel from the APS and another saying it was to cover a water cooling system. These seem a bit dubious. Are tank barrels really water cooled? and would that sheet metal shroud really protect a barrel that is made of a much more substantial piece of metal already? Does the shroud covers composite armor that protects the barrel? Or is the shroud itself the protection?
Improve your archive-fu.
Heat concealment as the barrels gets hottest at the base, covering the fume extractor is also a nice bonus, the condom that goes up nearly all the way to the tip is the thermal sleeve to keep the rest of the barrel consistently heated, prevent distortions and thus increase longevity and accuracy (while also providing a less noticable thermal signature to the rest of the barrel that isn't getting hot enough to require the shroud. The reason why it doesn't go all the way is because it doesn't have to.
Spalling protection is also relevant at the base because it's the closest to the armor that will eventually get hit.
Some people have suggested that the stabilizer or other sensitive parts protrude out there, they can't be too important since it can only protect against small arms fire, I've also seen people suggest the additional weight at the base could help with stabilization but I don't know how likely that is.
We can't know what it is for exactly for now, saying it's just a marketing gimmick is the surest way to reveal yourself as a butthurt tourist obsessed with shitting up threads on /k/ for offtopoc reasons though.
Why cope? That's within official timeline for MGCS. Germany also isn't in any hurry to replace their top of the line 2A7 any time soon. I mean even if russians fix and actually start producing armatas in any reasonable number (they won't) that still makes no difference, 2A7 will deal with it just fine anyway. Germans absolutely can take their time with development of entirely new tank.
It's nit just a Leo with a new turret and you have no idea what you're talking about.
At best you played some warthunder because you seem entirely ignorant of the importance of what's actually inside of a tank.
2 years ago
Anonymous
why would i look in the archives when you can just answer the question for me
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why would you trust a single autist when you can have the knowledge or hundreds at your fingertips?
That's how fuddlore starts. Don't be a fudd.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I knew about the thermal blankets but the rest of that is new to me. Thank you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So what you want to say is, it's a marketing gimmick.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>*gets gibbed by an nvg chad*
Nothing personell, kiddo.
It's basically the tank's protective foreskin. Does that make it easier to understand?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well obviously there is more changes than LITERALLY JUST turret. Are Germans buying it or not?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Are Germans buying it or not?
Probably in 2025-26.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We don't know yet.
KMW has decided to partner with the fricking French so Rheinmetall will probably win the MGCS by default.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Unfortunately, the MGCS concept looks like it's 90% french shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Brightly colored uniforms? M16 carry handle?
Both of those had purposes that were relevant in their day and only became obsolete because of future developments. I'll give you the magazine cutoff.
You've been told the last 20 times you asked, it's still the same answer and if you get it again you'll just ignore it and lie about it next thread. Feel free to use the archive to find the same answers you received in other threads.
Tricking Saudis into buying the most cyberpunk looking thing on the market.
Seething.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I have never asked before. I don't know what it's for.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes you have and you'll keep repeating the same shit the next 20 threads as well.
You mean the unmanned turret and armored crew pod that frick up ergonmics in the T-14 AND make it tall as frick? Also, lmao at making your tank a one shot kill voluntarily. 130 mm goes through Armatas lad
This is also why cold war era fighter jet airframes are superior to new bullshit that fell for the stealth meme(except the f 22)
An f 15 with modern electronics moggs any 5th gen fighter.
Isn't the German PM that woman who let the migrants into europe?
You sir, are living in the past and think about Frau Bundeskanzlerin Merkel (yes, the same that greenligthed the financing of the Wendelstein 7-X project).
We are talking about Herr Bundeskanzler Scholz, a man that so far has done nothing remarkable as far as i can tell.
Don't let a light hearted edit get into your head. The Pols still hold the same viewpoint on Russia being evil as the French. Remember those guys? The ones you invaded and occupied along with the Pols? Hmmm?
Anyway the real surprise of the graph is seeing how many Americans think the US caused the war. The frick is that all about? Some kind of world police mentality? "We could have done more!"
And the Turks... the Indians... WTF? You too China. You know America had nothing to do with it. Is the PLA propaganda that strong?
Since you haven't seen it, the original. I shooped the poles in because they always get heart palpitations if German wares are posted.
I too was surprised by it.
>The ones you invaded and occupied along with the Pols? Hmmm?
Occupied France was literally better than France 20 years before and after it in pretty much every way.
Only 20. Yep. Feel good with just 20 rounds? There's no stated provision for a storage compartment in the turret that the crew can use. The new 130mm rounds may be too long for that. We don't know why replacing the 4th crew member station for extra ammo storage isn't an option. It should be, but that isn't stated anyway.
It's also just 10 rounds if the loiter drones are installed. Nobody is gonna do that because 10 rounds is half of 20, which is already not much. Support vehicles can handle the drones seperately.
Only 20. Yep. Feel good with just 20 rounds? There's no stated provision for a storage compartment in the turret that the crew can use. The new 130mm rounds may be too long for that. We don't know why replacing the 4th crew member station for extra ammo storage isn't an option. It should be, but that isn't stated anyway.
It's also just 10 rounds if the loiter drones are installed. Nobody is gonna do that because 10 rounds is half of 20, which is already not much. Support vehicles can handle the drones seperately.
Looks like they're not divulging how many stored rounds it carries.
If it only carries 20 rounds TOTAL (which I doubt), they must be pretty confident in the precision of the gun. Still, 20 kills or buildings destroyed before retreat isn't that ideal.
Only 20. Yep. Feel good with just 20 rounds? There's no stated provision for a storage compartment in the turret that the crew can use. The new 130mm rounds may be too long for that. We don't know why replacing the 4th crew member station for extra ammo storage isn't an option. It should be, but that isn't stated anyway.
It's also just 10 rounds if the loiter drones are installed. Nobody is gonna do that because 10 rounds is half of 20, which is already not much. Support vehicles can handle the drones seperately.
>Is Rheinmetall's own webpage on the KF51 a good enough source?
Yes and it literally says ready rounds.
That's pretty good for a ready rack, total number of rounds depends on which sub systems are installed.
Imagine knowing so little about tanks that you confidently talk shit like that just to embarrass yourself lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
20 rounds is nothing, you moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you know what the "ready" in ready rack means dear newfriend?
2 years ago
Anonymous
'ready round' are round stored in the auto-loader magazine, or easy access to load manually in turrets without an auto-loader.
We don't know how many, if any, further rounds are stored separately to the 'ready rounds'.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ready rounds, or rounds in the autoloader. Do you think they'd sell a tank with only 10 rounds? Lol.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ready round capacity of current tanks
M1A1/M1A2 Abrams >18 rounds
Leopard 2 >15 rounds
Leclerc >22 rounds
T-64/T-80 seriees >28 rounds
T-72/90 series >22 rounds
K2 >16 rounds
Type 90 >18 rounds
Type 10 >14 rounds
Challenger 2
28 APFSDS + 12 HESH projectiles
21 Charge containers (each container can hold either 1 charge for APFSDS or 2 charges for HESH)
>Gun weighs two and a half times more than L7A3 and has an autoloader >Turret probably has decent armor protection >Has a heavy APS system that works against KE >Will be able to mount an additional APS for top-attack munitions >Hull is based on the Leopard 2A4
your country will either buy or try to copy it and you will be happy
Autoloader mainly, plus a bunch of small technological advancements here and there, maybe some next generation composite armor.
It probably favors mobility over armour again. If it was designed like earlier leopards the design goals feature the german doctrine of taking defensive positions against the rushing russian orc armour giving the tanks the protection from field fortifications instead. Please don't forget that the BW still considers itself a defensive army due to both the lack of funding as well as the ineffective spending habits. It is unlikely you will ever see more than a few dozen Panthers.
That will change, even if it will take a decade at least to unfrick how castrated the BW became after the cold war ended. The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe, and something like 100 billion € will be invested to get them up to the 2% of GDP that NATO recomends.
This. Having only two guys in the turret instead of three reduces the volume, wich in turn reduces the weight by a lot.
>The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe
>Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe
Henry, get the rifle, the germans are doing it again.
>The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe, and something like 100 billion € will be invested to get them up to the 2% of GDP that NATO recommends.
That counts for little if German bureaucracy and mismanagement remains incapable of allocating funds properly.
>The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe
>The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe
That's a good thing. Once Russia is defeated someone will need to kick the Americans out.
>Once Russia is defeated someone will need to kick the Americans out.
>The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe
>The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe
Isn't the German PM that woman who let the migrants into europe?
You know that's bullshit. France has a lower defense budget than Germany but it even has its own nukes, on top of a functioning military.
It would be possible if they did a complete clean sheet rework of the procurement system, other wise it's just throwing more money at the problem.
NO, NOT ZE BUREAUCRACY!
Oh it's so much worse than that. Try injecting pointless, irrelevant moral discussions into the mix and you're getting close. We were literally debating whether or not we should get armed drones because the fricking CIA was bombing children in the middle east
In july the Bundestag decided changes to the Bundeswehrbeschaffungsgesetz which are supposed to speed up procurement.
https://www.bmvg.de/de/aktuelles/beschluss-beschaffung-fuer-die-bundeswehr-wird-beschleunigt-5450574
>Bundeswehrbeschaffungsbeschleunigungsgesetz
I'm in awe. Truly another lingustic german masterpiece.
Anyway, reading the article it seems like a bunch of empty phrases. It's curing symptoms at best, and not even well.Only time will tell though
>reading the article it seems like a bunch of empty phrases
That's what i thought, but then i realized they activated it before the summer pause, which in itself is extremely fast and almost unheard of.
Besides, it fixes the most important flaw, that is, if you don't win the contract, you can sue the government and a judge must review the whole process. This is still possible, but the case now must be submitted and decided in weeks, instead of years.
Unlike you i'm optimistic that the changes have the desired effects.
As for Bundeswehrbeschaffungsbeschleunigungsgesetz, and i'm saying this with picrels voice: "Such is prose in the master race language"
Gesetz zur Beschleunigung der Beschaffung in der Bundeswehr translates into Law for the acceleration of the procurement of the Bundeswehr. There you go. Why do you brainlets have problems with Komposita?
A detailed list and explanation of what the 100 billion fund is for and where it's going(It is all in German though): https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/20/020/2002090.pdf
>The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe
they need to, so they'll stop being merican b***h
but they aren't able to do that
>The german PM stated a few months ago that Germany must once again become one of the leading military powers in europe
Doesn't the German army have massive recruitment problems?
Not really, surprisingly enough.
No, it's the same as everywhere else
>Have no perspective and/or shit qualifications
>Dude I think I'll join the army
Witnessed 4 cases like this in my social circle alone.
Women really like it too for some reason. They are a huge deadweights during basic and suck fricking ass as NCOs. Lots of manhating dykes I heard.
Pay is good but not good enough, plus demographics of course and nobody wanting to fight for this dump.
Tbf it works a lot better with integrated loitering munitions and multi layer APS. Also 130mm makes vodkamonkeys fly at any range
>lack of funding
German military spending is equivalent to France's. Yet France has more soldiers, vehicles, aircraft, NUKES, and an aircraft carrier. Plus, France has a more active tempo, with multiple military deployments in Africa. German spending sure is inefficient.
You would cry if you knew exactly HOW inefficient. We would literally be better of bundling the money and launching it by trebuchet
It probably has metal matrix composite armor like the K2 Black Panther, not depleted uranium composite
MMC is both lighter and stronger than du composite
A surprising amount of a tank's weight comes from electronics. You can easily shave off a couple of tons replacing metal wiring with fibre optics and smaller, lighter modern subsystems
This. Anon probably is correct and yet everyone overlooked his post. There's something like 2-3 thousand pounds of copper from the wiring and electronics in modern tanks.
Bullshit. A couple little wires weigh nothing.
>Is it a glass cannon with minimal protection like the Leopard 1?
Yeah, so what? It's flashy bait for Saudis and co. It's never going to see combat and even if it does it's going to be operated by clueless idiots who'd get obliterated even if they had the best tanks ever. If the crown prince thinks it looks the coolest that's good enough.
At least 3 layers of cope in this one.
Don't worry, you'll get your own 4th generation tank eventually.
>no unmanned turret
>no armored crew pod
>4th generation tank
Even Russia is lightyears ahead of this clown car.
Russia.
Let that sink in.
Cope and misinformation.
Now say it only holds 20 rounds and then talk about how the barrel shroud is just decoration.
You shills are too predictable.
>the barrel shroud is just decoration.
What's it for?
Tricking Saudis into buying the most cyberpunk looking thing on the market.
So... decoration?
Literally, yeah.
IMO correct take.
Did German MoD show any interest in this thing? Personally I don't see why they would opt for Leo2A4 with new turret over 2A7 they already have. It's not like they desperately need 130mm cannon to compete with any russian tank. Probably just a scheme to trick saudis into co-financing some parts of MGCS development. The actual real next-gen german tank most likely won't happen in next 10-15 years.
Cope.
Why cope? That's within official timeline for MGCS. Germany also isn't in any hurry to replace their top of the line 2A7 any time soon. I mean even if russians fix and actually start producing armatas in any reasonable number (they won't) that still makes no difference, 2A7 will deal with it just fine anyway. Germans absolutely can take their time with development of entirely new tank.
Its an entirely different tank to leopard and built by a completely different company.
Multispectral camouflage?
I honestly dont know, but every time someone points out extraneous features on military equipment, it turns out they have a purpose.
>every time someone points out extraneous features on military equipment, it turns out they have a purpose.
What about the times it turns out the feature didn't have a purpose, and was eventually removed for that reason?
Like what?
SMLE magazine cutoff? Brightly colored uniforms? M16 carry handle? I'm sure there are many examples of extraneous features that had little practical utility and later got removed or dropped from future revisions.
I am not your internet nemesis, I have never even discussed the Panther on /k/ before. I don't claim to know anything about it.
Instead of accusing me of being somebody I'm not, why don't you just tell me what it's for?
Literally all of those had a practical purpose, even brightly colored uniforms.
Don't even bother replying to this post, dumb Black person.
Yeah, the M16 carry handle had the "purpose" of carrying the rifle, except that wasn't actually a useful purpose and it was later removed.
>Don't even bother replying to this post, dumb Black person.
I haven't insulted you, you're upset about nothing.
>multi-spectral camouflage
Hiding a hot gun from IR I guess? That makes sense. What are the other two reasons?
btw I searched the archive and mostly found pages and pages of talk about barrel shrouds for rifles e.g. "the thing that goes up". I did however find one post saying it was to protect the barrel from the APS and another saying it was to cover a water cooling system. These seem a bit dubious. Are tank barrels really water cooled? and would that sheet metal shroud really protect a barrel that is made of a much more substantial piece of metal already? Does the shroud covers composite armor that protects the barrel? Or is the shroud itself the protection?
>M16 carry handle had the "purpose" of carrying the rifle
It had a main purpose of serving as a strong and durable riser+wings for the rear sight assembly, which was deliberately raised above the bore for reasons that are accepted as recieved wisdom today. Dumbass.
>why don't you just tell me what it's for?
Because you come across like a israelite and I don't respect you.
If you actually care, open the archive and search for shroud. Then see the same 2-3 answers being given every time and the same morons repeating the same shit every thread anyway.
It's really not that complicated and with even just a passing interest you should be able to come up with at least one of the three reasons through sheer guesstimation.
See this anon
None of the 3 are new concepts.
that other anon's got me curious too now, what the frick is the barrel shroud for? why are you evading the question so hard, you homosexual?
>it's just decoration to fool sand people
>just like these features that weren't just decoration!
Black person have you ever carried a gun over longer periods? What's your largest caliber, 9mm?
I'm not the one who made those claims. I don't claim to know anything about this tank.
You're the one who pretended a carry handle had no purpose.
That's moronic, at best it isn't worth the effort on all rifles, but it has a purpose on all rifles. Your other 2 examples weren't without purpose either.
Either way, I really just want to know what the shroud on tank barrels is for.
Protecting crewmen from burns?
Improve your archive-fu.
Heat concealment as the barrels gets hottest at the base, covering the fume extractor is also a nice bonus, the condom that goes up nearly all the way to the tip is the thermal sleeve to keep the rest of the barrel consistently heated, prevent distortions and thus increase longevity and accuracy (while also providing a less noticable thermal signature to the rest of the barrel that isn't getting hot enough to require the shroud. The reason why it doesn't go all the way is because it doesn't have to.
Spalling protection is also relevant at the base because it's the closest to the armor that will eventually get hit.
Some people have suggested that the stabilizer or other sensitive parts protrude out there, they can't be too important since it can only protect against small arms fire, I've also seen people suggest the additional weight at the base could help with stabilization but I don't know how likely that is.
We can't know what it is for exactly for now, saying it's just a marketing gimmick is the surest way to reveal yourself as a butthurt tourist obsessed with shitting up threads on /k/ for offtopoc reasons though.
It's nit just a Leo with a new turret and you have no idea what you're talking about.
At best you played some warthunder because you seem entirely ignorant of the importance of what's actually inside of a tank.
why would i look in the archives when you can just answer the question for me
Why would you trust a single autist when you can have the knowledge or hundreds at your fingertips?
That's how fuddlore starts. Don't be a fudd.
I knew about the thermal blankets but the rest of that is new to me. Thank you.
So what you want to say is, it's a marketing gimmick.
>*gets gibbed by an nvg chad*
Nothing personell, kiddo.
It's basically the tank's protective foreskin. Does that make it easier to understand?
Well obviously there is more changes than LITERALLY JUST turret. Are Germans buying it or not?
>Are Germans buying it or not?
Probably in 2025-26.
We don't know yet.
KMW has decided to partner with the fricking French so Rheinmetall will probably win the MGCS by default.
Unfortunately, the MGCS concept looks like it's 90% french shit.
>Brightly colored uniforms? M16 carry handle?
Both of those had purposes that were relevant in their day and only became obsolete because of future developments. I'll give you the magazine cutoff.
You've been told the last 20 times you asked, it's still the same answer and if you get it again you'll just ignore it and lie about it next thread. Feel free to use the archive to find the same answers you received in other threads.
Seething.
I have never asked before. I don't know what it's for.
Yes you have and you'll keep repeating the same shit the next 20 threads as well.
You mean the unmanned turret and armored crew pod that frick up ergonmics in the T-14 AND make it tall as frick? Also, lmao at making your tank a one shot kill voluntarily. 130 mm goes through Armatas lad
>You WILL live in the pod
It's been 40 years. Technology improves.
A bit, but not really. The wars of today are mostly fought with cold war weapons that have been upgraded with modern electronics.
>we've been using 3rd generation tanks for 40 years
Yeah no shit,that's part of ge reason why the fourth generation is a big deal.
This is also why cold war era fighter jet airframes are superior to new bullshit that fell for the stealth meme(except the f 22)
An f 15 with modern electronics moggs any 5th gen fighter.
shit bait
You will never be a next gen.
Better than the french mgcs shit
its got a mosque on the inside
Hey guys what's the dumb plywood box around the barrel for?
This will make a fine addition to my collection.
What's that first tank?
Karrar, the Iranian wonder.
Thanks.
Why isn't the T-14 on there? There are almost certainly more MBT-2020s produced than T-14s.
Does the tactical tarp on the last tank serve a purpose?
man the PL01, third panel, is not a fricking tank. It’s a CV90
Long turret is long
Bonus feature: Level small buildings with the muzzle blast!
g*rm shit again, all fake
pic
You sir, are living in the past and think about Frau Bundeskanzlerin Merkel (yes, the same that greenligthed the financing of the Wendelstein 7-X project).
We are talking about Herr Bundeskanzler Scholz, a man that so far has done nothing remarkable as far as i can tell.
>Bundeskanzlerin
>Bundeskanzler
Please forgive my mix up. German names all sound the same to me.
Haha, you are funny, mein Freund. We will kill you last.
I'm not polish, i'm picrel. If i was polish, i would commit sudoku at my earliest convenience.
HORRBORRKKSCHBROCKKOLLOBROCKOWERFER!!!!!!!!
I know it's shopped, but you polacks are still Black folk.
Don't let a light hearted edit get into your head. The Pols still hold the same viewpoint on Russia being evil as the French. Remember those guys? The ones you invaded and occupied along with the Pols? Hmmm?
Anyway the real surprise of the graph is seeing how many Americans think the US caused the war. The frick is that all about? Some kind of world police mentality? "We could have done more!"
And the Turks... the Indians... WTF? You too China. You know America had nothing to do with it. Is the PLA propaganda that strong?
Since you haven't seen it, the original. I shooped the poles in because they always get heart palpitations if German wares are posted.
I too was surprised by it.
nice to see japan still hates russians
>USA nuked japan twice
>Still liked more than the Russians
Really says a lot about how great Russia is at not fostering good relations.
>The ones you invaded and occupied along with the Pols? Hmmm?
Occupied France was literally better than France 20 years before and after it in pretty much every way.
It relies on active protection.
KF51 only has 20 rounds of ammo. Maybe 10, if the loitering munitions package is installed.
*20 in the ready rack
20 total.
You are lying.
Total ammo would also depend on which subsystems are installed.
Either way, feel free to post a source.
Is Rheinmetall's own webpage on the KF51 a good enough source?
https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/systems_and_products/vehicle_systems/armoured_tracked_vehicles/panther_kf51/index.php
ready rounds
Only 20. Yep. Feel good with just 20 rounds? There's no stated provision for a storage compartment in the turret that the crew can use. The new 130mm rounds may be too long for that. We don't know why replacing the 4th crew member station for extra ammo storage isn't an option. It should be, but that isn't stated anyway.
It's also just 10 rounds if the loiter drones are installed. Nobody is gonna do that because 10 rounds is half of 20, which is already not much. Support vehicles can handle the drones seperately.
Looks like they're not divulging how many stored rounds it carries.
If it only carries 20 rounds TOTAL (which I doubt), they must be pretty confident in the precision of the gun. Still, 20 kills or buildings destroyed before retreat isn't that ideal.
>Is Rheinmetall's own webpage on the KF51 a good enough source?
Yes and it literally says ready rounds.
That's pretty good for a ready rack, total number of rounds depends on which sub systems are installed.
Imagine knowing so little about tanks that you confidently talk shit like that just to embarrass yourself lmao
20 rounds is nothing, you moron.
Do you know what the "ready" in ready rack means dear newfriend?
'ready round' are round stored in the auto-loader magazine, or easy access to load manually in turrets without an auto-loader.
We don't know how many, if any, further rounds are stored separately to the 'ready rounds'.
Ready rounds, or rounds in the autoloader. Do you think they'd sell a tank with only 10 rounds? Lol.
Ready round capacity of current tanks
M1A1/M1A2 Abrams
>18 rounds
Leopard 2
>15 rounds
Leclerc
>22 rounds
T-64/T-80 seriees
>28 rounds
T-72/90 series
>22 rounds
K2
>16 rounds
Type 90
>18 rounds
Type 10
>14 rounds
Challenger 2
28 APFSDS + 12 HESH projectiles
21 Charge containers (each container can hold either 1 charge for APFSDS or 2 charges for HESH)
>59 tons
That's 59 metric tons, anon. Heavier than the Abrams was in its initial configuration.
It looks like it drove out of a videogame
>Gun weighs two and a half times more than L7A3 and has an autoloader
>Turret probably has decent armor protection
>Has a heavy APS system that works against KE
>Will be able to mount an additional APS for top-attack munitions
>Hull is based on the Leopard 2A4
Because the other tanks are from the 80s and just got shit slapped onto them.
This design is optimized.
Be like the Hellcat