5.56 is becoming obsolete

This may be controversial, but 5.56 is being squeezed out from both sides, at one end by 6-7mm and 8.6mm calibers for rifles and machineguns that benefit from the extra range and power, and at the low end by 5.7x28, because whats the point of having a 10.5 inch AR with all the flash and blast of 5.56 when you can have it in 5.7 and have mag compatibility with pistols? And for clandestine stuff theres no reason not to go to .300 blackout since it has better suppressed performance and good supersonic load out of short barrels.

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frick ya mudda

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Came here to say this, but also to ask wtf did all the 5.45 disappear to.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Russia got cut off, 5.45 go bye bye. Supposedly PSA is standing up 5.45 and other steel case production as part of AAC.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hopefully this war ends soon and we can all be friends, because we need cheap ammo and some cool RUssian guns.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I was in Russia before the war, people were friendly and things seemed to be getting better for the Russian people. Went to Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Saratov. It is a beautiful country with a lot of history and culture. I have family from Russia, and I had a coworker from Ukraine before the war. I told him this the day the invasion broke out, that we are praying for peace. He responded positively, but ended up in the Azov Regiment. Now here I am in Alabama, thousands of people dying, and I am safe with food to eat and air conditioning. But I am an American, and I know that America needs strong men right now, to help us through these times.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I do not feel compelled to go and kill my Christian brothers in service to some zionist government. I am a patriotic American and a Patriot, and I have committed my life to prove this. I love the USA and will lay down my life for it, if I must. Lord have mercy on us all.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Good for him that he actually wanted to go fight. I had a friend form there who won a green card to the u.s., went to visit family a little bit before the war broke out, and has been stuck there since. Too bad that the govt there is basically tyrannical

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Agreed, but I'd imagine we'd sooner see Ukie guns and ammo before russian sanctions are lifted. If at all.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >unironically comparing 5.7x28 with 5.56x45.
    Hide.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      how is it being phased out by 5.7? the only guns using it are the P90 and some meme handguns?

      The point is that short 5.56 rifles don't offer much over 5.7 in short barrels, and for larger service rifles the trend is towards larger calibers

      We'll be back at the rifles and MGs in one caliber and pistols and SMGs in another paradigm from WW2, but with improved pistol and rifle calibers.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        5.56 offers 2.4 times more muzzle energy for the same barre length

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Muh muzzle energy
          Doesn't translate into terminal effectiveness and you also get a shitload of blast and flash for your trouble. Short, suppressed AR based PDWs in 5.7 are the future.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >[energy] Doesn't translate into terminal effectiveness
            Getting a measly ice pick wound that wastes the energy is possible, but not inevitable, and not a random chance you can't do anything about. There's every opportunity now to use projectiles designed to deform at lower velocities and harness that energy on soft tissue. On the other hand, "failing" to use the extra energy on a threat's soft tissue might mean it's what ends the fight by cracking the spine behind it.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This makes sense to me.

        5.56 offers 2.4 times more muzzle energy for the same barre length

        Not really relevant since the 5.56 is btfo by Valkyrie,Grendel,arc, every 6.5mm+. It's antiquated. It makes more sense to step up or step down.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Valkyrie,Grendel,arc
          Who?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Arguing from ignorance

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Oh no I know them all quite well, I visited their graves a few weeks ago. The only meme round that's been able to go anywhere is 300blk and that's only because it basically just does 7.62x39s job while being AR-friendly. 6mm ARC, 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, 224 valk, 458 SOCOM, and all of their peers all came and went. They've all had time to get a place in the market and they all ended up as hyper-niche rounds for contrarians

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                This, 6.5 Sneedmore looks like it may have broken out into mainstream success like .300 blackout but all those other meme rounds are dead. Maybe it will be eclipsed by civilian version of the 6.8 mm military memeround.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This makes sense to me.

        [...]
        Not really relevant since the 5.56 is btfo by Valkyrie,Grendel,arc, every 6.5mm+. It's antiquated. It makes more sense to step up or step down.

        moronic

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >mag compatibility with pistols
        Terminal vidya brain

        Let me know when meme rounds stop costing 50+% more than 556 and maybe the people that actually shoot will start using them some capacity

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The point is that short 5.56 rifles don't offer much over 5.7 in short barrels,
        moron

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Muh muzzle energy
        Doesn't translate into terminal effectiveness and you also get a shitload of blast and flash for your trouble. Short, suppressed AR based PDWs in 5.7 are the future.

        >and at the low end by 5.7x28, because whats the point of having a 10.5 inch AR with all the flash and blast of 5.56 when you can have it in 5.7 and have mag compatibility with pistols?
        Lol imagine caring what a barrelet thinks, much less making decisions based around their fantasy of being useful.

        %3D%3D

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >5.56 and 5.7 are comparable in short barrels

        5.56 offers 2.4 times more muzzle energy for the same barre length

        >no they aren’t

        This makes sense to me.

        [...]
        Not really relevant since the 5.56 is btfo by Valkyrie,Grendel,arc, every 6.5mm+. It's antiquated. It makes more sense to step up or step down.

        >well that doesn’t matter because there are other calibers that nobody use

        Nice goalpost, sperg. Just say you bought a 5.7 because of video games, instead of coping that you overpaid for a glorified .22 magnum with your intellectually bankrupt thread.

        Shorty ARs, and similar select fire carbines, are the reason SMGs are being phased out, not the other way around.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Can someone explain to me why there are so many clueless morons mouthing off about SBR 5.56 performance lately?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Some youtuber probably said it. Ammo is up so it's cheaper to just look at spreadsheets.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It was a popular troll on /arg/. It's just spreading as a way to "own" /k/ommandos.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You don't have guns

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >terrain
        >average engagement distance increasing significantly
        >ubiquitous optics with gucci shit
        Maybe per

        >rifles and MGs in one caliber and pistols and SMGs in another paradigm from WW2, but with improved pistol and rifle calibers.

        Then again retaining 556 as the M1/Grease Gun PDW more likely in the US, where Europe might move toward 5.7.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    how is it being phased out by 5.7? the only guns using it are the P90 and some meme handguns?

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >muh FiveSeveN
    git

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >zoomer minmax video game mentality

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    even if 5.56 is objectively worse it doesn't really matter, it has the inertia of nato adoption and every rifle anyone gives a damn about being chambered in it
    there's not a whole lot 5.56 can't do that 224 valk can

    also your point on 5.7 is moronic, nobody uses 5.7 mags in pccs, and 5.7 isn't as powerful out of a 10 inch barrel anyways

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      *nobody uses 5.7 handgun mags in pccs

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I remember when we argued in hasguns factors like cpr, now its all videogame zoomer noguns bullshit like damage output.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    5.56/.223 will remain popular for decades to come due to its weight and ease of access

    The split hair difference in ballistics simply does not matter when in a war you're out of ammo and if you crack open an ammo box there's a 99% chance it's 5.56 NATO.

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