Why do Ukrainians need to lie? It just makes them look really African tier. 480,000 is unfeasible. Are Ukrainians really that subhuman that they believe this propaganda?
Ukrainians are assuming vatniks are treating their injured. Apparently the other figure put casualties at 180k which means only 40-50k injured are still alive
not really, ukrainians are defending and in general defending forces take 3 times less casualties
which answers the question why russia mobilized 300k last fall, because they suffered 300k KIA+WIA+MIA
No, russia mobilizer 300k because their incredibly moronic opening gambit failed and they suddenly had a gigantic entrenched frontline they needed to defend and not enough bodies to protect it
>480k casualties is delusional cringe propaganda
no but it is on the low side, including militias, wager, suicides, fratricides, accidents etc etc its probably another 50,000 and another 50,000 deserted or captured. The Russians are running very low on men again and they have already mobilised another 100,000 on top of the 300000, in fact they have been continuously tying to call up more men. The Ukrainians estimates on killed Russian tanks and are are more accurate as they have endless drone spotter footage to do counts off. At this rate the Russians will have a million maimed dead or missing by the start of summer.
Yeah.
And we not have numbers of total casualities. At least i can't find it fast.
And moronic OP call info from minirus - site which filled by volunteers - "Ukrainian intelligence", which allow indirectly discrediting officials and make posts like this [...]
>Why do [non-Russians] need to lie? It just makes them look really African tier.
Do you ever consider the shit that comes out of your mouth even for a microsecond?
Yeah.
And we not have numbers of total casualities. At least i can't find it fast.
And moronic OP call info from minirus - site which filled by volunteers - "Ukrainian intelligence", which allow indirectly discrediting officials and make posts like this
https://i.imgur.com/hiyAUvO.jpg
That's so hecking wholesome my dudes, 500k dead just like in HOI4, Ukranians truly are supersoldiers like Capitan America !!!
The big bad eu lady said 100k ukrainian officers killed. So I am assuming 1 officer per squad, and squad has nine total personel. So I assume the other 8 guys just sat down/didn;t know what to do and got rapemurdered by chechenian serbs. Seems that way, ukrainans infantry is not very skilled.
So it really is looking like 900k ukrainian killed as of last month, the 10th month of the war. I would estimate an additional 90k this month so the total should be just about 990k dead ukrainians.
Now if we assume non-ukrainian estimates are true, 45k dead russians. That is a 22 to 1 KD for the Russian_BVLLS
Im still skeptical of 100k. There is basically no way to even estimate casualties and both russia and ukraine seem to be locked in a propaganda arms race about who can come up with an even more unrealistic number
oryx confirmed 8785 vehicle losses. Assuming an average of 3-4 crewmen/passangers dead that's easily over 30k. Even if 50% of ALL losses got photographed and made their way to Oryx, that's still over 60k from vehicles alone. When you account for all the mobiks zerg rushing Bakhmut and freezing in the trenches 100k+ becomes realistic
>When you account for all the mobiks zerg rushing Bakhmut and freezing in the trenches 100k+ becomes realistic
That's the thing that gets me the most about Vatnik shills trying to downplay Russian losses at Bakhmut. We have mountains of videos showcasing Mobiks on foot being tossed across open fields into artillery and machinegun fire. How is Russia supposed to be doing this on a large scale for months on end and *not* be taking massive casualties? The Ukrainians used much more conservative offensive tactics to retake Kherson and almost certainly took serious losses, but somehow Russia can do this mini-Verdun shit for free?
How is it unrealistic? You just need on average a few hundred casualties a day to reach 100k in this time span. Ukrainians have god knows how many recordings of a dozen or more dead bodies laying on the battlefield.
The special needs military operation has been going on for almost a year. 100k is far from impossible. People just aren't used to mass casualties anymore because we haven't had this kind of grinding war for decades now.
if you add the vehicle loses it s around 20 000 .
So if you say all of these have atleast like 5 people in or around them it s 100 000 people dead . i don t see why it s so hard to belive 400 000 injured
American intelligence just said 188,000.
You saying ukies are mo betta better quality of inteligence than u.s.a.? Shit ukie intelligence is american intelligence just lent lol.
Not a single russian has died it's all troony propaganda putin will win in 2 weeks it will be based and redpilled and then kaylee will finally love me back
I think a safe estimate is ~200k. They had to mobilize 300k and are thinking about another mobilization wave. Either they are all deserting or they are all dying. Russians can't into medivac or medkits. Most of those destroyed tanks probably resulted in total crew death as well.
Why in the FRICK would you trust one of the warring powers (especially ex-soviet shitholes like Ukraine or Russia to accurately report either of their casualties taken or delt? They have every incentive to lie, exaggerate, and downplay.
>Why in the FRICK would you trust one of the warring powers
Because the Ukrainian statements on Russian losses have consistently aligned with events on the battlefield such as the appearance of defective t62s on the battlefield and the Russian mobilisation which Putin had stated would not be necessary last year. I guess you have just started following the war or are some propagandist lying. In contrast to the Ukrainians virtually everything published by the Russian government or Russian state owned media or associated propagandists has proven to be a complete lie
>Because the Ukrainian statements on Russian losses have consistently aligned with events on the battlefield such as the appearance of defective t62s on the battlefield and the Russian mobilisation which Putin had stated would not be necessary last year. I guess you have just started following the war or are some propagandist lying. In contrast to the Ukrainians virtually everything published by the Russian government or Russian state owned media or associated propagandists has proven to be a complete lie
woah you want to know whats EVEN CRAZIER ABOUT VATNIKS?!!!?
well basically,
vatniks killed 390k the ukrainians,
i know....
i just...
ugh...
they just did ok! 390k of them!
dead, killed by sextuple-felon animal rapists from The Russian Federation™
What else can you expect of VKRANIANS
I'm willing to believe it's 1 million..no 2 million dead Russians maybe even more....
Russian ship go frick yourself!
Expect more and more useless threads like this as Russia advances, when we get to poland we'll see threads about 1 million casualties and "how Ukraine can still win".
I'll belive the us estimate of 180k.
Even with the generous assumption of 1/3rd killed given the absolute state of Russian casevac its still 60k dead.
I don't trust ukrainian casualty reports, they're just propaganda. I trust US intelligence though.
>trusting the shittiest tabloid rag on the planet
>trusting The Sun
Why do Ukrainians need to lie? It just makes them look really African tier. 480,000 is unfeasible. Are Ukrainians really that subhuman that they believe this propaganda?
Ukrainians are assuming vatniks are treating their injured. Apparently the other figure put casualties at 180k which means only 40-50k injured are still alive
Which means that vatniks have killed 400k of their own injured.
The numbers look worse for Ukraine.
not really, ukrainians are defending and in general defending forces take 3 times less casualties
which answers the question why russia mobilized 300k last fall, because they suffered 300k KIA+WIA+MIA
No, russia mobilizer 300k because their incredibly moronic opening gambit failed and they suddenly had a gigantic entrenched frontline they needed to defend and not enough bodies to protect it
480k casualties is delusional cringe propaganda
However now they don't have the logistics to defend it STILL, lol.
>480k casualties is delusional cringe propaganda
no but it is on the low side, including militias, wager, suicides, fratricides, accidents etc etc its probably another 50,000 and another 50,000 deserted or captured. The Russians are running very low on men again and they have already mobilised another 100,000 on top of the 300000, in fact they have been continuously tying to call up more men. The Ukrainians estimates on killed Russian tanks and are are more accurate as they have endless drone spotter footage to do counts off. At this rate the Russians will have a million maimed dead or missing by the start of summer.
>US army
>Ukrainian intelligence
Be cute and put meme of your choice here.
Go ahead and post 'em. Let's see the sauce.
Ukrainians are still fighting a militarily superior force. They're not the USA.
Russians started the war with 130.000, then they mobilized a further 300k and now they're about to mobilize 500k more.
Go figure.
Lies russian casualties are 1500 at worst. Mobilizations are a gesture of bad will against ukrops
Only 15 brave russian servicemen have died so far. I advise you to only inform yourself from reliable sources that the West is trying to berry.
>Why do [non-Russians] need to lie? It just makes them look really African tier.
Do you ever consider the shit that comes out of your mouth even for a microsecond?
WIA on that website is nothing but asspull based on 3:1 WIA/KIA ratio.
>According to Ukrainian intelligence
Stop this bullshit please.
Those are killed.
Yeah.
And we not have numbers of total casualities. At least i can't find it fast.
And moronic OP call info from minirus - site which filled by volunteers - "Ukrainian intelligence", which allow indirectly discrediting officials and make posts like this
Bullshit as is.
>minirus
minusrus.
That's so hecking wholesome my dudes, 500k dead just like in HOI4, Ukranians truly are supersoldiers like Capitan America !!!
You are not even trying
The big bad eu lady said 100k ukrainian officers killed. So I am assuming 1 officer per squad, and squad has nine total personel. So I assume the other 8 guys just sat down/didn;t know what to do and got rapemurdered by chechenian serbs. Seems that way, ukrainans infantry is not very skilled.
So it really is looking like 900k ukrainian killed as of last month, the 10th month of the war. I would estimate an additional 90k this month so the total should be just about 990k dead ukrainians.
Now if we assume non-ukrainian estimates are true, 45k dead russians. That is a 22 to 1 KD for the Russian_BVLLS
>1 million casualties to take Soledar
>They still haven't taken it
Sirs, since you are making shit up, why dont you claim 100.000.000 dead? Bigger is better, no?
Anyone remember when 100k russian casualties was seen as a makebelive fairy tail? Now we're at "no way its half a million - more like 150k".
Im still skeptical of 100k. There is basically no way to even estimate casualties and both russia and ukraine seem to be locked in a propaganda arms race about who can come up with an even more unrealistic number
>There is basically no way to even estimate casualties
You just listen to commanders report their losses over their Baofeng walkietalkies.
oryx confirmed 8785 vehicle losses. Assuming an average of 3-4 crewmen/passangers dead that's easily over 30k. Even if 50% of ALL losses got photographed and made their way to Oryx, that's still over 60k from vehicles alone. When you account for all the mobiks zerg rushing Bakhmut and freezing in the trenches 100k+ becomes realistic
>When you account for all the mobiks zerg rushing Bakhmut and freezing in the trenches 100k+ becomes realistic
That's the thing that gets me the most about Vatnik shills trying to downplay Russian losses at Bakhmut. We have mountains of videos showcasing Mobiks on foot being tossed across open fields into artillery and machinegun fire. How is Russia supposed to be doing this on a large scale for months on end and *not* be taking massive casualties? The Ukrainians used much more conservative offensive tactics to retake Kherson and almost certainly took serious losses, but somehow Russia can do this mini-Verdun shit for free?
How is it unrealistic? You just need on average a few hundred casualties a day to reach 100k in this time span. Ukrainians have god knows how many recordings of a dozen or more dead bodies laying on the battlefield.
The special needs military operation has been going on for almost a year. 100k is far from impossible. People just aren't used to mass casualties anymore because we haven't had this kind of grinding war for decades now.
official ukrainina count of russian losses is quite a bit lower: 120.000
honestly we don't know how many russian invaders have been killed and wounded
but russia had to mobilize 300.000 and there are rumors another wave of mobilisation may start soon
You don't do this if your losses are low.
if you add the vehicle loses it s around 20 000 .
So if you say all of these have atleast like 5 people in or around them it s 100 000 people dead . i don t see why it s so hard to belive 400 000 injured
>i don t see why it s so hard to belive 400 000 injured
you are delusional if you believe this many wounded russians survive
>360.000 vatniks incapacitated
>120.000 vatniks liquidated
Propaganda.
Though either way a lot of slavs are dying in this war on both sides.
A net positive for the world.
>le both sides
kys cvck
American intelligence just said 188,000.
You saying ukies are mo betta better quality of inteligence than u.s.a.? Shit ukie intelligence is american intelligence just lent lol.
Not a single russian has died it's all troony propaganda putin will win in 2 weeks it will be based and redpilled and then kaylee will finally love me back
I think a safe estimate is ~200k. They had to mobilize 300k and are thinking about another mobilization wave. Either they are all deserting or they are all dying. Russians can't into medivac or medkits. Most of those destroyed tanks probably resulted in total crew death as well.
>POW count is still at 1,000
UPDATE IT.
We did it fellas we defeated the evil empire like Luke Skywalker
Why in the FRICK would you trust one of the warring powers (especially ex-soviet shitholes like Ukraine or Russia to accurately report either of their casualties taken or delt? They have every incentive to lie, exaggerate, and downplay.
>Why in the FRICK would you trust one of the warring powers
Because the Ukrainian statements on Russian losses have consistently aligned with events on the battlefield such as the appearance of defective t62s on the battlefield and the Russian mobilisation which Putin had stated would not be necessary last year. I guess you have just started following the war or are some propagandist lying. In contrast to the Ukrainians virtually everything published by the Russian government or Russian state owned media or associated propagandists has proven to be a complete lie
>Because the Ukrainian statements on Russian losses have consistently aligned with events on the battlefield such as the appearance of defective t62s on the battlefield and the Russian mobilisation which Putin had stated would not be necessary last year. I guess you have just started following the war or are some propagandist lying. In contrast to the Ukrainians virtually everything published by the Russian government or Russian state owned media or associated propagandists has proven to be a complete lie
woah you want to know whats EVEN CRAZIER ABOUT VATNIKS?!!!?
well basically,
vatniks killed 390k the ukrainians,
i know....
i just...
ugh...
they just did ok! 390k of them!
dead, killed by sextuple-felon animal rapists from The Russian Federation™
Because he's shamelessly shilling for them.
What else can you expect of VKRANIANS
I'm willing to believe it's 1 million..no 2 million dead Russians maybe even more....
Russian ship go frick yourself!
fake
it's actually 480,000,000 Russian casualties
>killed and wounded goes up
>prisoners of war does not
As a moderate, I approve.
>480,000 Russian casualties
lol the ukraine just gave us THEIR OWN REAL CASUALTY DATA
finally
So you're telling me the Russians have lost 1.5 million people in this war so far?
if the actual dead are 100k 400k casualties is not that unbelievable.
Usually one should assume a minimum of 1:2 killed to wounded ratio.
120k killed seems about right
How much longer till they reach "oy vey" numbers?
>According to Ukrainian intelligence
Expect more and more useless threads like this as Russia advances, when we get to poland we'll see threads about 1 million casualties and "how Ukraine can still win".
The central weakness of the Russian military is AMMO, above all else.
They cannot fight without AMMO. Destroy it all, including the factories.
what would be your timeline for these events if you had to give a rough estimate?
Not a second longer than two (2) weeks
Frick off Black person, 3:1 WIA/KIA ratio is not what's going on for russians, it's 2:1 or worse.