>40 years later
>russia still doesn't have a cruise missile on par with it
how is it possible?
>40 years later. >russia still doesn't have a cruise missile on par with it
>40 years later
>russia still doesn't have a cruise missile on par with it
how is it possible?
Kalibr
>demonstrating a 50% pk
>cep of over 15m
>worse than even the basic bitch block i tlam
It's the best the poor dears can do
Kek
LMAO, vatniks getting BTFO'd fast right now.
Holy shit, I think western electronics engineering students could come up with that level of "quality".
Russia humiliates itself every day by showing its true (lack of) capability.
Russia cannot into semiconductors
We could but you'd need to use western tools and chips
You had access to those and that is the result. Now you don’t, so it’s going to be even worse.
>it's true because I said so
lul
Only good for "denazifying" random fields and apartment blocks. Plus it's filled with western electronics, so they will struggle with producing them in larger quantities.
big flex they should just fly these over russian territory for a few hours then fly them back into the ocean for the hell of it.
>actually misses the target point by a good 20 meters and is lucky to not miss the building entirely
Classic russian garbage "accuracy". Freakin' Block 1 Tomahawk would have done better than that.
Their form of autism lets them build things that can go fast and explode big but precision requires a different strain of autism. In the soviet days they could get that from east germany but that's no longer an option.
>precision requires a different strain of autism.
like what?
Asperger's, the norm for soviet russia was ADD or depression
And alcoholism.
Kalibr is faster and hard to shot down
i am john from texas oblast how does the missile know where it is?
because it knows where it isnt, at all times
Because Russia is a joke.
Russia hasn't developed anything new in over 30 years. Everything"new" they have are Soviet designs left on the drawing table when everything collapsed.
Tommahawk is not even the same missile from 40 years ago. It used to take a full day to progam the motherfucker.
This might be off topic, but what exactly is the difference between a cruise missile and an anti ship missile.
To be specific, I'm talking about the NSM/JSM that my country is producing. Is it the yield of the warhead? Its ability to maneuver and avoid countermeasures?
The seeker head, mostly. A lot of antiship missiles have land attack modes or modifications. An antiship missile needs some sort of terminal guidance so it can accurately strike a moving target, land attack missiles commonly use GPS / inertial guidance / TERCOM. Some antiship missiles have smaller warheads (like Harpoon), some have ridiculously large warheads (like Kh-22).
Thanks. Seems obvious now that you've pointed it out.
Not him, but I think there's some altitude optimization going on as well. Some anti-ship missiles are made to fly just above the water level and have as small a signature as possible, while land attack cruise missiles might get better performance from a higher altitude and speed.
I guess it depends on the missile, but a lot of land attack missiles fly low for the same reason antiship missiles fly low, to avoid air defense and lower reaction time
I don't know of any land attack missiles that perform terminal bunt and weave maneuvers like an AShM though
Yeah but I would imagine anti ship missiles fly even lower, and like you said are more likely to expend fuel on doing dodging maneuvers (which you'll want to optimize for, ideally). In the end, I think a modern regular cruise missile is basically the same thing but simpler and more cost-effective against land targets.
>cruise missile
is a term used to describe a long-range missile, that can be land-attack or (rarely) anti-ship. It is most often used in the former context.
>anti-ship missile
is any missile specially designed for attacking ships. It can include relatively primitive designs such as the old SS-N-2, or it can be equipped with all kinds of navigational aids, manoeuvreing options, ECM, stealth, etc such as LRASM
>it’s because of missed maintenance cycles, corruption and/or sanctions resulting in substandard part substitutes
ergo, inferior design
you can't say "well I designed a superior missile but it sucks because I couldn't get the parts" - that's called wishful thinking
to further clarify, a cruise missile uses an engine akin to an airplane instead of a rocket
Not superior, just a normal functioning cruise missile. The fact that Russia puts them on everything, keeps making them in several variants over the years including exports and cloned by China tells me that’s exactly what it is: a functional cruise missile. Besides that it’s had success as an anti-shipping variant "Club" thanks to its supersonic terminal phase feature. It’s the main surface weapon in all the modern PLAAN ships for example. So it must work at least. Ukrainian intel report of 30% accuracy must be a lie.
Or, you know, it's the truth and the Russians have yet again lied about the performance of their stuff and fucked up proper maintenace and use as they always do.
Russia literally says the T-14 has impenetrable armour. They say the BMP-T3 is immune to top attack missiles. They say all their equipment is better than US stated equipment. If so, why are they losing so much to 60's and 70's surplus shit?
>Ukrainian intel report of 30% accuracy must be a lie
It's a PrepHoleommando's deduction based on this pic
This.
NSM/JSM, JASSM-ER/LRASM, and Block V Tomahawk all have dual roles as anti-ship, land attack.
Does its happy smile as its killing commies have an impact on its role?
Missile morale is very important, anon.
Naval strike missile is cute!
She comes in ego death version as well!
>four JSM, two AMRAAM, and two AIM-9X
What a beast.
Well, with that smile, it had to be paired with an F-16.
>Their smile and optimism restored
Also, checked.
Nice briefing on JSM here:
https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2014/PSAR/albright.pdf
What the fuck is that link?
It's clean:
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/f628bee529d7747992295882f3fc1c724cebf6619b150b2d4689aa0fae7e93d4?nocache=1
If you don't want to click the pdf link, here:
https://docplayer.net/30928877-Kongsberg-naval-and-joint-strike-missiles-update-precision-strike-annual-review-psar-14.html
Viruses aside, it seems a bit outdated.
What do you expect? Not going to make the PLA intel gathering team's job easy.
>when they don't know
It's one of the official us government powerpoint repositories. Google DTIC if you want to know more.
In India, huh. Interesting.
It could be India as in NATO phonetic "I"
Well, given the times we live in...
Nah.
good day to you sir
>not sure if retarded or just schizo
National Defense Industrial Association, sweetie.
Then where does the I come from? Inside my head?
It's the I they took out of team
I see. They've removed it from the posts above now. How curious.
I bet it was you.
Cruise missiles are very old, mature tech. The guidance tech is also very old and mature. There’s no reason at all to believe current Russian designs are any worse than what we had in the 80s. If your MIC can build 4th-gen fighter jets it can definitely build accurate cruise missiles. If the Kalibr has serious accuracy problems (not reported anywhere afaik) it’s because of missed maintenance cycles, corruption and/or sanctions resulting in substandard part substitutes, etc). There’s no direct reason to believe otherwise.
They haven't figured out how it works yet, probably due to too much vodka and FAS.
Because their missile doesn't know where it is because it doesn't know where it isn't.
people have been getting kalibrated non stop.
>people
When your "precision" cruise missile is only good for randomly terror-bombing civilians, it's a shit cruise missile. And certianly not on par with even a Block 1 TLAM.
To be fair, the V2 was pretty neat. Though I guess not a cruise missile.
Russian doctrine was probably unironically built on the belief that
>West won't do shit
so all the "muh-NATO!" was pure posturing and they geared their military on the Crimean Ops execution of
>Specnaz inserted into target territory
>Local 5th column organize bulk of Pro-Russian force
>Russian Military provide cover and extra muscle for militas
I actually think Russian doctrine was based on projection. They thought everyone was as corrupt and incompetent as they were.
I think they also believed their own propaganda, both pro-Russia and anti-west.
That was certainly the case after the Soviet Union fell, and they had no idea how to deal with western politicians and diplomats, because they didn't want to make backroom deals.
Except politicians do backroom deals all the time. They just don't involve money because it can be track.
Perhaps I should have made it clear that I'm talking about completely different levels.
You know, like stealing a candy bar versus stealing a nuclear missile.
>how is it possible?
Name one Russian chip maker comparable to Intel or Amd, name one Russia software company comparable to Microsoft or Apple, name one Russian games machine comparable to Nintendo, Sony. We won't even talk about cars. Go look up the history of crashes on the Russian airline aeroflot and save your live by NEVER boarding one of their planes. Look at Russian night vision, home computers, lasers, domestic appliances manufacturers etc etc. Russia sucks.
The tomahawk cruise missile which first became operational in 1983 looks visibly the exact same as the latest version, but it's virtually not even the same missile. The original one failed regularly due to its relatively primitive navigation system, could not be controlled remotely, and could take hours even days to load a missile with the target and flight path.
Now, it can do all that have a flight plan loaded and be ready to fire in minutes even send back data to command including pictures later over an area , wait for a target to emerge and be redirected in flight.
Don't forget the significant RCS reductions. A modern Tomahawk isn't quite a stealth cruise missile but it's RCS was reduced orders of magnitude from the original version. They have greater use of composites especially in the control surfaces, the air scoop was redesigned, and the nose-cone got a duckbill shape to deflect radar, all of which contribute to a frontal RCS, which is tiny. A real stealth cruise missile like the JASSM is much harder to see from all aspects but if a tomahawk is flying directly at you and you don't have other assets around to spot it from above or from the side, you're probably going to find out around the time you explode.
It doesn't look very happy. It looks kinda indifferent.
>The original one failed regularly due to its relatively primitive navigation system
Objectively false. Block I's were used in the Gulf War and were even routed through the Zagros Mountain range in Iran to strike Baghdad. I don't even know why you'd lie like this and say that TERCOM was 'primitive'..
>He doesn't know about the Kh101/102
Oh baby
You mean the ones that failed in massive numbers during the opening phase of this war, proving themselves to be yet another piece of russian vapourware trash?
Source?
Intelligence Briefings back in March.
Since then, the vatmorons have been using them for random terror-bombing after they had to realize that the accurracy is too shit to go after point targets.
Soviet Union fell. They were already behind and then there was a 10-20 year black hole in military R&D during which projects were axed, put on hold and forgotten about. Everything new they make nowadays is 80s stuff they upgraded or finally got around to putting in the field. Not even a hyperbole, there might be a couple exceptions I can't think of right now but those are usually low tech adaptation of foreign concepts. It's insane that the Russian AMRAAM equivalent R-77 had been finished in the 80s but it took until 2010s for it to be adopted. Same with Ka-50 and many other things, even Armata and all the vehicles of it's family are a deep fried modification of 80s projects.
To be fair, it doesn't help that the average Russian is retarded.
And of course, they don't have the other Soviet nations to pilfer scientists and engineers from, so... you know.
The Cold War stuff appears to have an abysmal success rate. We don’t have a clear picture of the Kalibr except that it was used very heavily in the opening of the war and has been used steadily since. Especially targets in Western Ukraine. Ukraine and NATO only rarely reports on targets being hit, but sometimes these appear in the media (ie, SBU HQ, barracks, military training facilities, etc). Aside from that we know that the Ukrainian MIC has been mostly destroyed but I don’t think it’s been reported how much damage that represents.
God I hate the US for their fucking gay lend lease shit.
Why support commies? The two worst shitholes on the planet exist because of that shit. Ok, America is the third biggest shithole, but that's mostly because communism was allowed to survive.
Whoops my bad apparently it WAS reported that Russia had destroyed the Ukrainian MIC back in March by Arestovych. That work would have been done by the Kalibr.