>40 years later. >russia still doesn't have a cruise missile on par with it

>40 years later
>russia still doesn't have a cruise missile on par with it

how is it possible?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kalibr

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >demonstrating a 50% pk
      >cep of over 15m
      >worse than even the basic bitch block i tlam

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lul

        It's the best the poor dears can do

        https://i.imgur.com/qdsJYre.jpg

        Kek

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lul

        https://i.imgur.com/qdsJYre.jpg

        LMAO, vatniks getting BTFO'd fast right now.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit, I think western electronics engineering students could come up with that level of "quality".

        Russia humiliates itself every day by showing its true (lack of) capability.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia cannot into semiconductors

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We could but you'd need to use western tools and chips

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You had access to those and that is the result. Now you don’t, so it’s going to be even worse.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it's true because I said so

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lul

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only good for "denazifying" random fields and apartment blocks. Plus it's filled with western electronics, so they will struggle with producing them in larger quantities.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    /u/anon
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      big flex they should just fly these over russian territory for a few hours then fly them back into the ocean for the hell of it.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >actually misses the target point by a good 20 meters and is lucky to not miss the building entirely

      Classic russian garbage "accuracy". Freakin' Block 1 Tomahawk would have done better than that.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Their form of autism lets them build things that can go fast and explode big but precision requires a different strain of autism. In the soviet days they could get that from east germany but that's no longer an option.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >precision requires a different strain of autism.

      like what?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Asperger's, the norm for soviet russia was ADD or depression

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And alcoholism.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kalibr is faster and hard to shot down

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i am john from texas oblast how does the missile know where it is?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because it knows where it isnt, at all times

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because Russia is a joke.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia hasn't developed anything new in over 30 years. Everything"new" they have are Soviet designs left on the drawing table when everything collapsed.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tommahawk is not even the same missile from 40 years ago. It used to take a full day to progam the motherfucker.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This might be off topic, but what exactly is the difference between a cruise missile and an anti ship missile.
    To be specific, I'm talking about the NSM/JSM that my country is producing. Is it the yield of the warhead? Its ability to maneuver and avoid countermeasures?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The seeker head, mostly. A lot of antiship missiles have land attack modes or modifications. An antiship missile needs some sort of terminal guidance so it can accurately strike a moving target, land attack missiles commonly use GPS / inertial guidance / TERCOM. Some antiship missiles have smaller warheads (like Harpoon), some have ridiculously large warheads (like Kh-22).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks. Seems obvious now that you've pointed it out.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him, but I think there's some altitude optimization going on as well. Some anti-ship missiles are made to fly just above the water level and have as small a signature as possible, while land attack cruise missiles might get better performance from a higher altitude and speed.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I guess it depends on the missile, but a lot of land attack missiles fly low for the same reason antiship missiles fly low, to avoid air defense and lower reaction time

            I don't know of any land attack missiles that perform terminal bunt and weave maneuvers like an AShM though

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah but I would imagine anti ship missiles fly even lower, and like you said are more likely to expend fuel on doing dodging maneuvers (which you'll want to optimize for, ideally). In the end, I think a modern regular cruise missile is basically the same thing but simpler and more cost-effective against land targets.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cruise missile
      is a term used to describe a long-range missile, that can be land-attack or (rarely) anti-ship. It is most often used in the former context.

      >anti-ship missile
      is any missile specially designed for attacking ships. It can include relatively primitive designs such as the old SS-N-2, or it can be equipped with all kinds of navigational aids, manoeuvreing options, ECM, stealth, etc such as LRASM

      Cruise missiles are very old, mature tech. The guidance tech is also very old and mature. There’s no reason at all to believe current Russian designs are any worse than what we had in the 80s. If your MIC can build 4th-gen fighter jets it can definitely build accurate cruise missiles. If the Kalibr has serious accuracy problems (not reported anywhere afaik) it’s because of missed maintenance cycles, corruption and/or sanctions resulting in substandard part substitutes, etc). There’s no direct reason to believe otherwise.

      >it’s because of missed maintenance cycles, corruption and/or sanctions resulting in substandard part substitutes
      ergo, inferior design

      you can't say "well I designed a superior missile but it sucks because I couldn't get the parts" - that's called wishful thinking

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        to further clarify, a cruise missile uses an engine akin to an airplane instead of a rocket

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not superior, just a normal functioning cruise missile. The fact that Russia puts them on everything, keeps making them in several variants over the years including exports and cloned by China tells me that’s exactly what it is: a functional cruise missile. Besides that it’s had success as an anti-shipping variant "Club" thanks to its supersonic terminal phase feature. It’s the main surface weapon in all the modern PLAAN ships for example. So it must work at least. Ukrainian intel report of 30% accuracy must be a lie.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Or, you know, it's the truth and the Russians have yet again lied about the performance of their stuff and fucked up proper maintenace and use as they always do.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia literally says the T-14 has impenetrable armour. They say the BMP-T3 is immune to top attack missiles. They say all their equipment is better than US stated equipment. If so, why are they losing so much to 60's and 70's surplus shit?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukrainian intel report of 30% accuracy must be a lie
          It's a PrepHoleommando's deduction based on this pic

          https://i.imgur.com/GilojcJ.png

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      The seeker head, mostly. A lot of antiship missiles have land attack modes or modifications. An antiship missile needs some sort of terminal guidance so it can accurately strike a moving target, land attack missiles commonly use GPS / inertial guidance / TERCOM. Some antiship missiles have smaller warheads (like Harpoon), some have ridiculously large warheads (like Kh-22).

      NSM/JSM, JASSM-ER/LRASM, and Block V Tomahawk all have dual roles as anti-ship, land attack.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does its happy smile as its killing commies have an impact on its role?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Missile morale is very important, anon.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Naval strike missile is cute!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            She comes in ego death version as well!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >four JSM, two AMRAAM, and two AIM-9X
              What a beast.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, with that smile, it had to be paired with an F-16.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Their smile and optimism restored
                Also, checked.
                Nice briefing on JSM here:
                https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2014/PSAR/albright.pdf

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What the fuck is that link?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's clean:
                https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/f628bee529d7747992295882f3fc1c724cebf6619b150b2d4689aa0fae7e93d4?nocache=1

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you don't want to click the pdf link, here:
                https://docplayer.net/30928877-Kongsberg-naval-and-joint-strike-missiles-update-precision-strike-annual-review-psar-14.html

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Viruses aside, it seems a bit outdated.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What do you expect? Not going to make the PLA intel gathering team's job easy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >when they don't know
                It's one of the official us government powerpoint repositories. Google DTIC if you want to know more.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In India, huh. Interesting.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It could be India as in NATO phonetic "I"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, given the times we live in...
                Nah.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                good day to you sir

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not sure if retarded or just schizo
                National Defense Industrial Association, sweetie.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then where does the I come from? Inside my head?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's the I they took out of team

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I see. They've removed it from the posts above now. How curious.

                good day to you sir

                I bet it was you.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cruise missiles are very old, mature tech. The guidance tech is also very old and mature. There’s no reason at all to believe current Russian designs are any worse than what we had in the 80s. If your MIC can build 4th-gen fighter jets it can definitely build accurate cruise missiles. If the Kalibr has serious accuracy problems (not reported anywhere afaik) it’s because of missed maintenance cycles, corruption and/or sanctions resulting in substandard part substitutes, etc). There’s no direct reason to believe otherwise.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They haven't figured out how it works yet, probably due to too much vodka and FAS.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because their missile doesn't know where it is because it doesn't know where it isn't.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people have been getting kalibrated non stop.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >people

      When your "precision" cruise missile is only good for randomly terror-bombing civilians, it's a shit cruise missile. And certianly not on par with even a Block 1 TLAM.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, the V2 was pretty neat. Though I guess not a cruise missile.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian doctrine was probably unironically built on the belief that
    >West won't do shit
    so all the "muh-NATO!" was pure posturing and they geared their military on the Crimean Ops execution of
    >Specnaz inserted into target territory
    >Local 5th column organize bulk of Pro-Russian force
    >Russian Military provide cover and extra muscle for militas

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I actually think Russian doctrine was based on projection. They thought everyone was as corrupt and incompetent as they were.
      I think they also believed their own propaganda, both pro-Russia and anti-west.

      That was certainly the case after the Soviet Union fell, and they had no idea how to deal with western politicians and diplomats, because they didn't want to make backroom deals.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Except politicians do backroom deals all the time. They just don't involve money because it can be track.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Perhaps I should have made it clear that I'm talking about completely different levels.
          You know, like stealing a candy bar versus stealing a nuclear missile.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how is it possible?
    Name one Russian chip maker comparable to Intel or Amd, name one Russia software company comparable to Microsoft or Apple, name one Russian games machine comparable to Nintendo, Sony. We won't even talk about cars. Go look up the history of crashes on the Russian airline aeroflot and save your live by NEVER boarding one of their planes. Look at Russian night vision, home computers, lasers, domestic appliances manufacturers etc etc. Russia sucks.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The tomahawk cruise missile which first became operational in 1983 looks visibly the exact same as the latest version, but it's virtually not even the same missile. The original one failed regularly due to its relatively primitive navigation system, could not be controlled remotely, and could take hours even days to load a missile with the target and flight path.

    Now, it can do all that have a flight plan loaded and be ready to fire in minutes even send back data to command including pictures later over an area , wait for a target to emerge and be redirected in flight.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget the significant RCS reductions. A modern Tomahawk isn't quite a stealth cruise missile but it's RCS was reduced orders of magnitude from the original version. They have greater use of composites especially in the control surfaces, the air scoop was redesigned, and the nose-cone got a duckbill shape to deflect radar, all of which contribute to a frontal RCS, which is tiny. A real stealth cruise missile like the JASSM is much harder to see from all aspects but if a tomahawk is flying directly at you and you don't have other assets around to spot it from above or from the side, you're probably going to find out around the time you explode.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't look very happy. It looks kinda indifferent.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The original one failed regularly due to its relatively primitive navigation system
      Objectively false. Block I's were used in the Gulf War and were even routed through the Zagros Mountain range in Iran to strike Baghdad. I don't even know why you'd lie like this and say that TERCOM was 'primitive'..

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >He doesn't know about the Kh101/102

    Oh baby

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean the ones that failed in massive numbers during the opening phase of this war, proving themselves to be yet another piece of russian vapourware trash?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Source?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Intelligence Briefings back in March.

          Since then, the vatmorons have been using them for random terror-bombing after they had to realize that the accurracy is too shit to go after point targets.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Soviet Union fell. They were already behind and then there was a 10-20 year black hole in military R&D during which projects were axed, put on hold and forgotten about. Everything new they make nowadays is 80s stuff they upgraded or finally got around to putting in the field. Not even a hyperbole, there might be a couple exceptions I can't think of right now but those are usually low tech adaptation of foreign concepts. It's insane that the Russian AMRAAM equivalent R-77 had been finished in the 80s but it took until 2010s for it to be adopted. Same with Ka-50 and many other things, even Armata and all the vehicles of it's family are a deep fried modification of 80s projects.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, it doesn't help that the average Russian is retarded.
      And of course, they don't have the other Soviet nations to pilfer scientists and engineers from, so... you know.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Cold War stuff appears to have an abysmal success rate. We don’t have a clear picture of the Kalibr except that it was used very heavily in the opening of the war and has been used steadily since. Especially targets in Western Ukraine. Ukraine and NATO only rarely reports on targets being hit, but sometimes these appear in the media (ie, SBU HQ, barracks, military training facilities, etc). Aside from that we know that the Ukrainian MIC has been mostly destroyed but I don’t think it’s been reported how much damage that represents.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God I hate the US for their fucking gay lend lease shit.
      Why support commies? The two worst shitholes on the planet exist because of that shit. Ok, America is the third biggest shithole, but that's mostly because communism was allowed to survive.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Whoops my bad apparently it WAS reported that Russia had destroyed the Ukrainian MIC back in March by Arestovych. That work would have been done by the Kalibr.

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