>That's wildly off-topic and doesn't pertain to the question.
No it isn't, Stens where homemade guns in world War two. You're stupid as fuck.
He's Implying it's not that difficult to get a hold of barrels to guns.
Unironically yes, there are loads of home made sten clone designs fliating around, and the original sten was design to be produced by small local machine shops.
To answer the original question. Any steel tube of appropriate size and strength will work. You can use a rifling button and a hydraulic press to add rifling, or you can just live with a smooth bore bullet hose.
2 weeks ago
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The original Sten as designed to be produced quickly and cheaply in large factories.
It was never designed for small or home workshops.
Using professional gunsmith machinists operating industrial lathes and milling machines, that is when they didn't have access to surplus barrels from old rifles. And they failed anyway, not enough of these """""DIY""""" guns were produced to ever have any effect on anything.
The failure has more to do with the fact that the rebels happen to be backwards ass jungle squatters that somehow manage to have even worse popular support than the junta that absolutely everyone hates.
Using professional gunsmith machinists operating industrial lathes and milling machines, that is when they didn't have access to surplus barrels from old rifles. And they failed anyway, not enough of these """""DIY""""" guns were produced to ever have any effect on anything.
>fed cope
The FGC-9 is reliable and functional, albeit crude, clunky, and ugly. Stop pretending like having one is somehow worse than not having one
Depends on the state. Also you dont need a permission slip from the government to build a gun. >inb4 “just get ripped off by armslist sellers bro”
You can print 6 subguns for the price of a CZ scorpion, double that for how much they charge for everything else. Subguns are the most price gouged thing on the market right now. As far as 5.56 stuff goes its diminishing gains unless you’re using filled nylons. Still nice to effortlessly have AR lowers even if you have to spend $30 in metal bits to make them reliable for PLA pro.
They mosdt certainly did,
Poles manufactured over 700 indigenous degsin blyskawica SMGs in german occupied warsaw. They also made bunch of sten clones and few other weird degsins.
Also, danes made like 600 sten copies
>"3D printed guns" is a misnommer, it's really "3D printed furniture for guns made in a factory"
this. I've always view these plastic bits makers as actually beings some sort of accidental deflection away from real gunsmithing skills. You can get a ship press and drop drill and vice and dills and drill bits and stock and make more than all the 3d printers in the world. Even if you wnated shitty cosplay plastic sheels just go but a 30$ airsoft gun and fill it with devcon and set your parts in it and it would be stronger and cheaper than this 3d print shit. By nature its designed to be thermal plastic, it melts with head. Its useless. It cool for making lets say plastic chess sets or war game figures or (insert plastic toy) but if you wan t make guns is so much better to buy yourself real tools like a micro lathe, reloading press, shop press, drop drill, bench grinder, vice, files, chamber reamers, rifle button etc. YOU can make a decent silenced 9mm single shot quite handily or and open bolt sub gun or a slam fire shotgun. This plastic shit is nonsense
Go watch this wonderful autist, I do my shit like this notr with 3d plastic. You can get a 90$ boyds blazer uninlet sock in laminate for what 90$? Why not make a nice fucking gun instead of these plastic lumps of shit. "But...but...its for le resistance' Well find but you are still going to have to make the rifled barrel and ream a chamber so you may as well make the rest from steel tubing while you are at it. The only point to resistance weapons is to kill the enemy so as to get their weapons and ammunition anyway because you can't fucking make brass, that's for sure.
Nah, I'm missing part of my right hand and its at me today. Sorry
>"3D printed guns" is a misnommer, it's really "3D printed furniture for guns made in a factory"
this. I've always view these plastic bits makers as actually beings some sort of accidental deflection away from real gunsmithing skills. You can get a ship press and drop drill and vice and dills and drill bits and stock and make more than all the 3d printers in the world. Even if you wnated shitty cosplay plastic sheels just go but a 30$ airsoft gun and fill it with devcon and set your parts in it and it would be stronger and cheaper than this 3d print shit. By nature its designed to be thermal plastic, it melts with head. Its useless. It cool for making lets say plastic chess sets or war game figures or (insert plastic toy) but if you wan t make guns is so much better to buy yourself real tools like a micro lathe, reloading press, shop press, drop drill, bench grinder, vice, files, chamber reamers, rifle button etc. YOU can make a decent silenced 9mm single shot quite handily or and open bolt sub gun or a slam fire shotgun. This plastic shit is nonsense
Go watch this wonderful autist, I do my shit like this notr with 3d plastic. You can get a 90$ boyds blazer uninlet sock in laminate for what 90$? Why not make a nice fucking gun instead of these plastic lumps of shit. "But...but...its for le resistance' Well find but you are still going to have to make the rifled barrel and ream a chamber so you may as well make the rest from steel tubing while you are at it. The only point to resistance weapons is to kill the enemy so as to get their weapons and ammunition anyway because you can't fucking make brass, that's for sure.
>Go watch this wonderful autist, I do my shit like this notr with 3d plastic.
>The guns look like fucking toys >They will probably break at some point >Their precision and reliability is questionable at best >Yet some will even try to get them on
Outside asking from where will they the ammo, in whathever regime they are fighting, I don't know if I should qualify it as "the future is amazing" or "holy shit this looks retarded and hyped"
You never see the people harping on 3D printed guns ever acknowledging such comments. They refuse to notice 3D arms other than a novelty because they themselves refuse to go beyond the barrios of what makes them comfortable and legal law. We have guerrillas cheaply making more guns in 3D printers than it would be done with hand tools and milking machines and lathes in the same amount of time. Not perfect but good enough until they get their hands on real hardware.
https://i.imgur.com/fYUPRnn.jpg
They mosdt certainly did,
Poles manufactured over 700 indigenous degsin blyskawica SMGs in german occupied warsaw. They also made bunch of sten clones and few other weird degsins.
Also, danes made like 600 sten copies
Wait until you see how many the Croats made in the 1990s.
Taoflerdermaus tested 3d printed shotgun shells, they kind of worked(good enough if it's all you had), but that was also years ago so there could have been improvements by now.
It's more scalable, for sure.
You could set up your printer and make hundreds of casings a night while sleeping.
Paper and glue can only go so far.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
best thing about 3d printers is how easy it is to scale horizontally
just buy more printers, done
at worst you might need to upgrade the eletric circuit that feeds all of them (they need eat a decent chunk of power, primarily for the heated bed)
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
best thing about 3d printers is how easy it is to scale horizontally
just buy more printers, done
at worst you might need to upgrade the eletric circuit that feeds all of them (they need eat a decent chunk of power, primarily for the heated bed)
paper stuff is very fast and scalable but you def gotta have a human being there doing the work. set & forget is maybe useful somewhere.
3 weeks ago
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with most 3d printers, you need a human being at the end of the print to remove the finished products from the bed
some printers don't need that either (belt style bed, or modded regular ones that use the x gantry to push things off)
3 weeks ago
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>with most 3d printers, you need a human being at the end of the print to remove the finished products
Not really. It's very easy to have the print head go behind the print and have the bed go back, removing the print.
We just don't do it because more often than not you wanna visually inspect the piece.
The 3d shells didn't need a brass base, I didn't know anyone made paper based shells.
3 weeks ago
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rolling tubes of even extreme lengths is the easiest shit there is, absolute minimal effoert and adhesive required. cramming a cardboard plug on the end is also effortless.
3 weeks ago
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People will say anything to just not let 3D print bros cook
3 weeks ago
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they can print whatever they want, just slower than not-printing.
What about 3d printing the base and then rolling paper around it to make the hull?
probably the best option overall if you want to reload them at least once
3 weeks ago
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Everytime without fail for 3 years straight every 3D printed gun thread on here is people suggesting the most niche insane shit to just not 3D print a gun,gun part, or what have you. Despite video evidence and pages of PDFs with step by step instructions. Plus as far as ammo is concerned theres files (with previously mentioned PDF instructions) that you print to aid you in making DIY ammo.
3 weeks ago
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3d printers are niche, rolling up paper is universal. kids do it in baby school. usually for every 10 hours of shitty weak plastic printing there's an off the shelf hardware store part for pennies. 3d printers are fanatics and anti-practical.
3 weeks ago
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Go do it then and report back because we have mountains of evidence of our way and you new age fudds ride the coattails of Luttys jamming machine and ignore everyone that attempted to make one saying its not good.
3 weeks ago
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>jamming machine
I’m sure it’s the plastic receiver on the fgc that solved that issue, couldn’t be the fact that everyone runs them with factory mags. Luty with sten mag? No that’s cheating
3 weeks ago
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The mags are also DIY. 3D printed mags came out before the FGC itself. Either way the overall package is objectively more reliable and easier to do than making a lutty. A cursory search on the internet has plenty of people that can attest to this. Keep coping neofudd. Plenty of other threads to derail its annoying we even have to justify everything to PrepHole. Click on garden gnomekraine thread number whatever or something.
3 weeks ago
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>The mags are also DIY. 3D printed mags came out before the FGC itself.
Everyone still runs glock mags. They point at printed mags as something you can use if you can’t get real mags. And from what I’ve seen the printed mags perform about as well as a home made luty mag. The overall package is not more reliable. It’s still a extractor-less design with home made mags in both cases.
2 weeks ago
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Well thats a lie.
3 weeks ago
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>kids do it in baby school
Post ammo made by kids.
3 weeks ago
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>werner von braun circa 1915 (colorized)
3 weeks ago
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What about 3d printing the base and then rolling paper around it to make the hull?
3 weeks ago
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I didnt mean paper based as in constructed of paper I meant paper based as in with a BASE made of paper.
I've never seen a 100% paper shell that functions in a modern firearm, only ones that had a paper hull with a brass base. Can you post a picture of one of these totally paper shells?
3 weeks ago
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i do not have pictures, even in the hull wall though it's like glue/epoxy papier-mache
3 weeks ago
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The only part I'm doubting specifically is the base.
3 weeks ago
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you just push a piece of paper through shortened tube and glue it in place with a cardboard or layered glue/epoxy flat base with rim then knock a hole through it when its dry. it's not significantly less plastic than 3d printing in the end because glue it's just a much better process.
3 weeks ago
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I'd love to see one, and see it cycle in any kind of action.
3 weeks ago
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Chalmers: Ah- Aurora Borealis!? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your kitchen!?
Skinner: Yes.
Chalmers: ...May I see it?
Skinner: ...No.
3 weeks ago
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i will be sure to post on tiktok special for you when i do it again
3 weeks ago
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He already showed his hand as a malding millennioomer with
3d printers are niche, rolling up paper is universal. kids do it in baby school. usually for every 10 hours of shitty weak plastic printing there's an off the shelf hardware store part for pennies. 3d printers are fanatics and anti-practical.
his goal was never to have a real convo. Just has a hate boner for 3D printing because fed or scared old man. No different than the guys he probably made fun of 10 years ago for having M14s and 1911s.
3d models can be process by cnc, so it only depends on how much you want invested in. I wont say no to a cnced HI power frame that fits my hand like a glove anyway.
I dont know why the rainbow colors, but the knowledge and equipment required to produce these is significantly less/cheaper than almost any prior shitty backyard gun. Slamfire pipe shotguns are arguably easier to make but also much shittier than an FGC9.
>I dont know why the rainbow colors, but the knowledge and equipment required to produce these is significantly less/cheaper than almost any prior shitty backyard gun. Slamfire pipe shotguns are arguably easier to make but also much shittier than an FGC9.
You are not making an FGC9 though you are not making any of the essential metalic parts that go in it whether spring or barrel or bolt or firing pin. Do you understand? And if you have those parts you can make something much much better to put them in using very basic tools and materials than you can using a 3d Printer.
>You are not making an FGC9 though you are not making any of the essential metalic parts
But you do make them. >And if you have those parts you can make something much much better
Post it.
>Spring
Steel wire, wooden dowel, oven >Bolt
Appropriately sized steel round stock, drill press or dremel, and a hack saw. Then you can just jb weld on small piece of metal as a firing pin. >Barrel
Steel pipe
Honestly the multiple colors do serve a purpose. If you have something broken, and the colors are varied, you can actually more easily tell what part is broken and needs a new part printed off to be replaced.
The rebels trouble shot their first builds in r/FOSSCAD. Their spokesperson said they get the ammo from smugglers on the Thai border, it's all factory made. It's one of the things they are forced to raise cash to procure.
Please note they said they successfully used the FGC-9 to ambush government units then would strip the dead for proper battle rifle and other supplies. This was all close to a year ago so I assume it's going well for them. Teams of rookies with FGC-9's have to ambush government forces to prove their worth and earn their rifles. Pretty based, can't stop the signal.
Why don't they make plastic ammo casings? I understand heat would be an issue with no brass to conduct it away, but if it's just a cheap gun-to-acquire-gun build then they don't really need it to last.
3d print gun community probably the most active gun making community ever existed. if you dont believe it just check how many post on weaponsguild daily anyway. better say something nice about them. or maybe someone prefer cheering for another glock from glock with minor changes
You're just mad the rest of the world isn't as stupid and lazy as you. You think innovation is gross because you can't do it yourself. You have no thoughts roaming around in that thick shit skull of yours. Instead you actually try to stifle people from innovating. This is why you don't fit in. This is why your bullshit propaganda will never work. Because you're stupid and out of touch
It's a great site for builders. There are some insanely skilled machinists there who post builds and stuf. One guy called Iron Worker machined an M14 receiver from a forging and it was a real masterpiece to behold
Did anyone save images of the gas-delayed 7.62x39? I could swear I saved them in a hard drive but I can't access the data due to a busted diode in the PCB.
Can someone explain why fully 3D printed guns are viable? I like the FGC-9, the Harlot, and frames/lowers as range toys, but they take so long to print. In the time that it would take me to print an FGC-9, I could go to a hardware store, buy steel tubing, fittings, springs, hardware, and build several open bolt SMGs.
I get that it makes sense in places with limited access to tooling, but it's harder to justify in more developed countries.
unlike other builds fgc9 comes with step by step instructions. even just for education purpose it has its value, you can simply apply the bolt weight , recoil spring wieght, trigger group specs to other designs. also you dont need to watch it print for 20 hours, so for mass production you only need to increase the number of printers compare to those heavy ass lathe or mill thats a win
I think all 3D printed guns have some educational value, and I definitely can't deny the scalability. But wouldn't it be better to 3D print smaller parts that require a high level of precision and metal tubing and sheet metal for parts that don't?
the way I see it, we are not there yet, since process metal needs tools and the most of community are not ready for that(its not fine to use an angle grinder in apartment etc), but you can see more and more designs use hardware store parts for re-enforcement,so yeah it takes time
what parts? iirc the fire control group for the FGC-9 is already optionally printable. magazine springs are easy enough to make out of piano wire.
bending and cutting sheet metal requires a modicum of skilled labor, and is also loud. once you have a printer dialed in you can hit print and then go ecm a barrel or do something else.
if you're concerned about durability, that's really a non-issue. 3d printed frames and parts last long enough that by the time they would fail before a metal one, you should have already looted a better firearm from a dead cop or soldier.
>I could go to a hardware store, buy steel tubing, fittings, springs, hardware, and build several open bolt SMGs.
Go ahead and do it. Hard mode - it has to go through a full magazine without jamming
I'm understand that there will be reliability issues with hardware store machine guns vs 3D printed ones. I'm arguing that fully 3D printed guns don't make a lot of sense. I think a viable zip gun uses a combination of 3D printed parts and off the shelf hardware store parts. Things that need tighter tolerances should be 3D printed - like feed ramps, magazines, and mag wells. But grips, upper receivers, bolts, don't need to be precise at all.
If you already have a 3D printer, you can print PDWs for $200 a pop, diy or cheap parts kits. What else would you get for $200? A notoriously unreliable handgun like a SCCY or Hipoint? Cheeky brits, biker gangs, Arabs living in Israel, etc have all went the “just weld metal tubes together” route since the 1970s and everytime the end product is unreliable. I trust my Ruger P89 in a printed PDW style frame more than any of the things I mentioned in this post.
>notoriously unreliable handgun like a SCCY or Hipoint?
Hipoints are reliable when in good condition. The reason there's so many unreliable ones around is because morons beat the shit out of them. The company will even do free repairs on a gun you bought second hand, the joggers just don't bother.
can't halfass the mags, that whole production concept needs a re-design from the ground up with shitty parts taken into account. jank tubes have always been completely adequate with good mags though.
3D printed mags are more reliable than factory mags from some companies. The people that release these files put more R&D into their stuff than you’re giving credit for.
What the fuck are you talking about? The main problem with sten/gustaf homemade guns that people have been making for decades has always been the magazine.
It's just another way for people to make firearms. I dont want there to be only one way, I want there to be as many ways as possible for a person to be armed. I want you surrounded by potential armaments. I want you to take a blacksmithing course and make a handgonne out of iron prills you harvested from a stream. I want you to teach a youth class on how to make black powder cannons out of tree trunks.
>the time that it would take me to print an FGC-9, I could go to a hardware store, buy steel tubing, fittings, springs, hardware, and build several open bolt SMGs.
Or you could set-up the printer and fuck off to make pizza and wank, because you don't really have to babysit it.
>i can go to a hardware store and...
LOL you absolutely cannot. unless you somehow magically live right next to a dedicated warehouse willing to sell you metal stock (you don't) you're pretty much stuck with mcmaster carr and/or your local pick n' pull.
sheet metal and tubing in the appropriate gauges and sizes are special-order things nowadays. this isn't 1990. i've personally scoured every kind of hardware store within a 50 mile radius of my residence and there's nothing aside from the exact same stock that every store gets the exact same of.
seriously, as far as metal stock goes, nowadays it's relegated to an endcap with the same exact set of stock that the other stores buy. it all comes from one supplier, just different stores.
that shit doesn't happen anymore. as far as expedient firearms go, 3d printing is the way unfortunately.
Why do feds derail every 3D printed gun thread? Anyway does anyone know when the Chairman V3 revision will be finished? Its fun at the range but too thin to trust for anything serious.
>Why do feds derail every 3D printed gun thread?
Because they know any tom dick and harry being able to easily manufacture a gun in their garage is a threat to their corruption and abuse of power. Government gets real touchy about their monopoly on lethal force at the best of times.
>Because they know any tom dick and harry being able to easily manufacture a gun in their garage is a threat to their corruption and abuse of power.
Please look at itar. The us government doesn’t gove a single fuck about guns in america. You can’t even export a spring without lengthy and expensive licenses. Yet you can walk into any gun store and buy the hard to make pressure bearing parts, sometimes even with an 80% lower for cash no questions asked. The only gun control that exists is a bare minimum obstacle for the <50iq schizos that can’t even pretend to be normal for the 5 minutes it takes to meet a private seller.
There are feds and there are people who get that 3d printing can be very useful but are just tired of all the tryhard larp and dick swinging by zoomers who are paranoidally afraid of spending 2 hours with a drill press and dremel and even in the domain of 3d printing can't be bothered to do slightly more than ender-3 and esun pla+
>printfags are now claiming commercial guns made out of wood and steel are 3D printed
https://old.reddit.com/r/ForgottenWeapons/comments/ryrb7s/that_bullpup_ak_wasnt_a_bullpup_ak_its_an_armi/
that looks too smooth to be 3d printed. how the fuck do they get it so smooth?
One thing I don't really see mentioned is the was of packing up shop and moving rapidly or easily setting up a new shop in case of a raid. If your machine shop gets raided, not much you can do except ditch expensive metal working tooling, with a 3d printer you can have your setup shoved in the back of a van and bug out in under an hour.
>moving machining tooling is difficult >just do it more often
It's exotic as fuck but PEEK is insanely strong, I'd be curious to see a barrel made from it for a non-22lr cartridge to see what happens. but I don't have that kind of money.
>$300/lb filament
I'd like to see someone try to make barrels with shit, see if you can do conventional rifling or easier fouled polygonal, how the stresses and harmonics work, if carbon fiber helps with anything, if the accuracy and barrel life would be worth a damn. It'd definitely have an application if you could mass produce safe shotgun barrels though that'd probably take a shitload of time to print something that replaces just a metal pipe.
The Chinktoid CCP cockroaches have been manipulating Myanmar for the last decade. Since they are totally shut off on their Eastern side via (Taiwan, Japan, Philippines, and others), they have financed the Junta to overthrow the democratically elected leader. On the coast of Myanmar, lies free access to the Indian Ocean and natural gas/oil reserves that the Chinks want to project power to their Western side.
Drones and 3D printed guns are bringing much complexity against the Junta, revolutionized warfare
I've never 3D printed a gun but in my experience 3D printing is useless for anything but casings, brackets and handles. Right now I'm "3D printing" a bike gearbox and the actual gears bearings and shafts are all machined steel because the fully 3D printed version lasted about five minutes.
are you being deliberately obstinate?
yes, ofc, if you have metal working tools, wood working tools, the space for all of the above, the knowledge to use them properly, of course you can make a better gun
that's not the fucking point
the point of 3d printed guns is that you don't need tools/space/knowledge to make them
all you need is a 3d printer, a minimal amount of metal parts (preferably commonly available without any restriction), and the ability to follow along with a simple manual for assembly and you can make a working firearm, even if you're in an apartment with limited space
This is like how people that only own 1 handgun know just as much about guns as no guns but think they know it all so they are loud and proud about their stupidity.
Considering pic related about the power of big bore airguns and how few shots you can get, how would you go about achieving at least that level of performance without being dependent on commercial ammunition or ammunition components?
>Strange that nobody told you this, but you get a regulator for plinking in the garden. Reduce pressure to 1/5 and you get 50 shots.
I'm not the anon who made that pic if that's what you mean by this. I'm just curious as to other ways to achieve the same level of performance without being dependent on commercial ammo or ammo components.
Matches can be used to make primers, gunpowder can made from common organic compounds (potassium nitrate is found in urine and animal droppings, charcoal is charcoal), lead is a metal you can get it from scrapyards or just buy it online, cases are the only hard part. With some machine skill brass cases can be made, alternatively with low pressures you can use paper cases.
These are used because it's easier to smuggle 100 milled barrels bought cheaply and disguised or hidden in other things than it is to smuggle 100 finished guns of even the lowest and cheapest quality into these countries. I don't understand how you fucking tourists don't get that.
You can bundle all of the barrels, however you got them, and move them in a much less conHispanicuous manner than a bunch of finished guns. One guy with a backpack can carry fifteen to twenty without wearing something that would draw even the smallest amount of suHispanicion. Instead of buying a crate of guns and shipping them on a cargo ship, you can bribe a sympathetic sailor to carry them in a duffel bag as personal baggage, stored in his personal belongings.
It's just way easier to move one part around than the finished product.
Is chamber pressure currently the main limiting factor in making semiauto printed guns work with current materials and knowledge? If so, what's the highest that reliable designs use? If not, what makes them fall apart?
I caught myself wondering how 7.5 FK would do in a subgun.
printed materials are inherently too weak to use for anything
If you mean a printed polymer barrel and chamber, I think the highest power that worked more than once is .38 spl. If you mean a firearm with metal bolt and barrel/chamber, then there's the Amigo Grande which is an adapted cetme .308. there's also the orca and bidens bane that are 3dp AR-15 upper and lower design that uses a conventional ar bolt and 5.56 barrel. If someone works out a 7.5 FK bolt/barrel combo for AR's, then it could just drop in to an existing design with some changes to the magazine well geometry.
It's exotic as fuck but PEEK is insanely strong, I'd be curious to see a barrel made from it for a non-22lr cartridge to see what happens. but I don't have that kind of money.
i think there's hope for non-furniture parts eventually but everyone sort of agrees that just supporting real non-regulated/hardware store parts is fine. shotties are inherently low pressure but there you don't even have cartridge to keep it from detonating through chamber wall.
It's exotic as fuck but PEEK is insanely strong, I'd be curious to see a barrel made from it for a non-22lr cartridge to see what happens. but I don't have that kind of money.
nothing wrong with polymers but i think being able to be printed limits you to shittier plastics. nylon is good because it naturally form alternating-length chains or something, idk PEEK at all.
>nylon is good
mmm no
nylon has a tendency to deform under heat
well, all plastics do, i mean nylon is not the best, not even amongst common plastics
the voron, a very high end diy 3d printer is designed around abs (meaning its both meant to be build from abs, and is optimized for printing abs)
the designers specifically mention that nylon is a bad idea for it due to warping tendencies in the heat of the enclosed printing chamber
so, the best option for a 3dp gun, at least for the parts exposed to heat/mechanical stress is probably abs
maybe infused with carbon fibre. you'd be trading off some ductility and risking breakage, but you'd gain rigidity and lightness
yeah nylon is retarded strong outside of the 3d printing context, "machined" nylon barrel? i bet that would handle like single-shot .38 without problems.
yeah nylon is retarded strong outside of the 3d printing context, "machined" nylon barrel? i bet that would handle like single-shot .38 without problems.
There's someone making a 3d printed musket that uses a lighter for ignition but I don't have any more info than that.
im a moderately experienced 3d printer who has never printed a gun (or shot one, actually, since my army service. im a yuropoor, guns are hard to get here)
but i do find the subject of 3d printed weapons interesting, and i thought i could contribute
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ABS and PETG are strong and have good layer adhesion. However their impact resistance is worse than most companies PLA “+” / “pro”. Strong is good for printing things that support a lot of weight but it also means too brittle for the violent action of a gun. Carbon fiber filled anything besides nylon is also too brittle. Nylon has great heat deflection and is flexible enough to not be too rigid once its filled with glass or carbon fibers. Which is why its the go to for guns you intend to use for anything serious while PLA pro is prototyping and range toys.
they're Glock mags, thoigh iirc the FGC9 mk1 didn't like printed 30 rounders and had specific 25 round mags designed for it, no idea if they solved the issue for the newer models but commercial ones are supposedly fine
So, has there been an attempt at designing one that's more based on the luty's principles (where the needed metal parts can be bought in any hardware shop and the 3d printed parts are engineered around them)?
I was at a match and some dude on my squad had his own 3d printed brass catcher hooked up to his PCC. it was shit and bounced shells back into the gun and jammed it a few times. my dad was on my squad too and he was like "BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD"
My research has consisted of >Ask question and do searches >everyone recommends prusa >I have some money on amazon for free so I can put that towards the printer
but I saw the bambu recommended and anon also recommends it so I'm researching it more.
prusa mk3 is the current golden standard for a JustWerks™ basic printer. iirc $750 for kit, $1k for an assembled model (get the kit)
it will handle pla, petg, tpu easily, abs and some nylons too, if you give it an enclosures (tho those high temp stuff are really not what its made for.)
prusa XL: new big boi, very overpriced imo, some interesting gimmicks
bambulabs x1: very well engineered, hasn't stood the test of time like the m3s.
and some other printers you might want to consider:
ender 3 v2 is basically a chinkshit prusa
costs like 200 shekels by now, and if you spend another 300-400 and several months upgrading it, it can almost reach the mk3s for capabilities (but usually not reliability)
its a good printer if you want to tinker and learn shit
any voron corexy will be a very high end option, capable of easily printing abs
those are not commercial products, at best you can find part kits (cost 1000-1500 shekels, ~800 for the small v0, but that's too small for an single printer setup)
it will take a long time and lot of effort to build one
but they are very well engineered, very fast, very capable
probably a bad idea as a begginer
im saying if you want to buy a printer because you have shit you need to print, buy a prusa
assuming you do not completely bungle the assembly, it will work great and print your shit with no issues
on the other hand, if you want to buy a printer because it seems like a cool hobby and you don't mind spending lots of time debugging/upgrading/learning, the ender v2 is probably a better option
and if you really want something very advanced and/or very fast and/or specifically designed for high temp plastics (esp. ABS), build a voron
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>im saying if you want to buy a printer because you have shit you need to print, buy a prusa
don't they still 3d print parts of the actual printer?
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yup
prusa uses mk3s printers to print the parts of mk3s printers (and minis, and probably for the XL)
the mk3 has an INSANE amount of total printing time, from prusa dogfooding it and by being a very popular printer and from being the newest iteration of an extremely old line of printers
that's what makes it so extremely reliable
If you have prusa money just get a bambu. I got a X1C. Totally overkill for most guns but I like adding gay little floral patterns and multiple colors. If I cared about function over form I would get the P1P with a harden extruder and nozzle so you can effortlessly print any material you want faster than other printers. They only cost 700 USD
I regularly hear gun cotton get brought up as an option for homemade powder, but can anyone find Frederick Abel's patent for making it? From what I've read, he was the first person to develop a process for manufacturing it without it regularly aloha snackbaring any place it was manufactured at, and his process was more complex and it worked somewhat like paper manufacturing vs the simple method that people will use to make small quantities of gun cotton for fun where self combustion is still a potential issue.
I regularly hear gun cotton get brought up as an option for homemade powder, but can anyone find Frederick Abel's patent for making it? From what I've read, he was the first person to develop a process for manufacturing it without it regularly aloha snackbaring any place it was manufactured at, and his process was more complex and it worked somewhat like paper manufacturing vs the simple method that people will use to make small quantities of gun cotton for fun where self combustion is still a potential issue.
Plenty of information on how to make it. No need to dig into patents.
Not him, but a patent from the mid 1800s would give information on ways to process it in more than just very small batches without being dependent on a large industrial process like later methods.
someone in the old Keybase chat was looking into this and came up with a mix of curcumin powder and magnesium to stabilize NC
don't ask me details, I never joined the rocket chat after keybase politely asked DetDisp to leave
I'm impressed by Menendez V2s, just make sure to use the follower with a deeper bolt hold-open notch. The one included in the V2 pack is too shallow and locks the slide back when there's one round left.
why is is without fail that any time this thread appears it inspires a horde of angry gunsmith boomers who are mad at 3d printed guns because "MUH DRILL PRESS ANGLE GRINDER STICK WELDER HOME DEPOT GUNS" as if the point of advancing technology isn't to make things easier to access and do
youre just being intentially obtuse about the benefits and shortcomings of 3d printing. literally boomer tier rhetoric 90% of the time by people who don't understand. i've made several lowers and an fgc9 and i've also made a (closed bolt semi auto) 9mm smg pistol out of metal (it took forever but it was a fun project)
the reality is that it isn't pre-9/11 anymore and you can't find that shit in hardware stores.
not to mention 3d printing is getting better. a group is just about to release an entirely 3d printed p90 (yes the smg that shoots 5.7x28) with the only non-printed part being a homemade barrel.
someone also just made a fucking belt fed 9mm.
there's a design for a bullpup FGC9 in full auto.
yeah, it's plastic shit. but guess what? this isn't the fucking 90's. plastic works. the 3d printing community has a deeper understanding of the tolerances of these things than you care to understand.
tldr keep crying
i could do without the aura of unfunny reddit lolbertarian memeshit that pervades the 3dp community though. shits annoying.
also getting tired of the pistol lowers. like we get it, theyre not cool anymore and nobody cares. give us more fgc9/p90 stuff.
>i could do without the aura of unfunny reddit lolbertarian memeshit that pervades the 3dp community though. shits annoying.
Yep. You can tell they'd drop it in a second if it'd hurt the feelings of their preferred minorities too. >ACAB! btw the cops should go after you for daring to do milsurp LARPing in your youtube videos of a no-no country like rhodesia you fucking whitey
Tiresome gays.
>i could do without the aura of unfunny reddit lolbertarian memeshit that pervades the 3dp community though. shits annoying.
Yep. You can tell they'd drop it in a second if it'd hurt the feelings of their preferred minorities too. >ACAB! btw the cops should go after you for daring to do milsurp LARPing in your youtube videos of a no-no country like rhodesia you fucking whitey
Tiresome gays.
It doesn’t help that the only kinda right wing person with clout that isn’t a massive pussy is about it all is a Brazilian guy they all hate anyway. Everyone else will say whatever behind closed doors then simp for communist trannies on socials
Couldn’t you go to mcmastercar and find everything you need there for metal parts? Also I agree with the gun lower thing gay and boring as hell your not making a gun your making one part and putting everything else on it. Boring! Also I think in any other place other then the US it’s a complete waste of time seeing as I think they relegate other parts like barrels and shit instead
I love solidworks but I would assume that if you don't have experience the learning curve may be steeper than other options. But having to learn shouldn't stop anyone IMO
Rebels. Brought to you by the National Endowment for Democracy. Sponsored by the CIA and US state department. Happy democracy Myanmar you will pay for it whit your blood.
I don’t think anyone cares enough about mymmar to do anything like that in it. There’s a reason they’re using homemade guns instead of real ones brought in
Yeah PrepHole even used to be pro-Russian separatist years ago. Normie magatards came to PrepHole and went to 4chan looking for Q.. Unfortunately they ended up shitting up this board in the process. Id rather have the furries back than these people
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Yeah PrepHole even used to be pro-Russian separatist years ago. Normie magatards came to PrepHole and went to 4chan looking for Q.. Unfortunately they ended up shitting up this board in the process. Id rather have the furries back than these people
reminder to printfags that if you're still using a hardened steel or even a brass nozzle you're fucking wrong. If your printer can't accept tungsten carbide then it goes into the trash where it belongs
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Yeah PrepHole even used to be pro-Russian separatist years ago. Normie magatards came to PrepHole and went to 4chan looking for Q.. Unfortunately they ended up shitting up this board in the process. Id rather have the furries back than these people
>You can't hate garden gnomes, Chinamen, and Russians at the same time because... Because you just CAN'T OKAY?!?
bitch I hate everyone I haven't gone fishing with.
the NERF general can be found at
kek
Current project, 17L slide with shortened 19 grip
Where do they get the barrels tho?
Probably ECM using whatever hardware they can find. At least that as the recommended method a few years ago, no clue what they got going on now.
Idk anon, how did various guerilla forces make stens in fucking ww2?
That's wildly off-topic and doesn't pertain to the question.
>That's wildly off-topic and doesn't pertain to the question.
No it isn't, Stens where homemade guns in world War two. You're stupid as fuck.
He's Implying it's not that difficult to get a hold of barrels to guns.
>Stens
>homemade
Huh?
Unironically yes, there are loads of home made sten clone designs fliating around, and the original sten was design to be produced by small local machine shops.
To answer the original question. Any steel tube of appropriate size and strength will work. You can use a rifling button and a hydraulic press to add rifling, or you can just live with a smooth bore bullet hose.
The original Sten as designed to be produced quickly and cheaply in large factories.
It was never designed for small or home workshops.
Half the fucking threads on this board have been off-topic for the past year, yet here we are.
Using professional gunsmith machinists operating industrial lathes and milling machines, that is when they didn't have access to surplus barrels from old rifles. And they failed anyway, not enough of these """""DIY""""" guns were produced to ever have any effect on anything.
Idk it looks like they’re winning
The failure has more to do with the fact that the rebels happen to be backwards ass jungle squatters that somehow manage to have even worse popular support than the junta that absolutely everyone hates.
"3D printed guns" is a misnommer, it's really "3D printed furniture for guns made in a factory"
They didn't, most were paradropped in the woods
>fed cope
The FGC-9 is reliable and functional, albeit crude, clunky, and ugly. Stop pretending like having one is somehow worse than not having one
Why would that be fed cope, Americans don't need 3D printed guns, we already have a near endless supply of them.
Depends on the state. Also you dont need a permission slip from the government to build a gun.
>inb4 “just get ripped off by armslist sellers bro”
You can print 6 subguns for the price of a CZ scorpion, double that for how much they charge for everything else. Subguns are the most price gouged thing on the market right now. As far as 5.56 stuff goes its diminishing gains unless you’re using filled nylons. Still nice to effortlessly have AR lowers even if you have to spend $30 in metal bits to make them reliable for PLA pro.
They mosdt certainly did,
Poles manufactured over 700 indigenous degsin blyskawica SMGs in german occupied warsaw. They also made bunch of sten clones and few other weird degsins.
Also, danes made like 600 sten copies
neat. does anyone know what that pipe bomb looking thing with the plate on it is?
Probably some anti-tank weapon.
Track breaker.
>"3D printed guns" is a misnommer, it's really "3D printed furniture for guns made in a factory"
this. I've always view these plastic bits makers as actually beings some sort of accidental deflection away from real gunsmithing skills. You can get a ship press and drop drill and vice and dills and drill bits and stock and make more than all the 3d printers in the world. Even if you wnated shitty cosplay plastic sheels just go but a 30$ airsoft gun and fill it with devcon and set your parts in it and it would be stronger and cheaper than this 3d print shit. By nature its designed to be thermal plastic, it melts with head. Its useless. It cool for making lets say plastic chess sets or war game figures or (insert plastic toy) but if you wan t make guns is so much better to buy yourself real tools like a micro lathe, reloading press, shop press, drop drill, bench grinder, vice, files, chamber reamers, rifle button etc. YOU can make a decent silenced 9mm single shot quite handily or and open bolt sub gun or a slam fire shotgun. This plastic shit is nonsense
Go watch this wonderful autist, I do my shit like this notr with 3d plastic. You can get a 90$ boyds blazer uninlet sock in laminate for what 90$? Why not make a nice fucking gun instead of these plastic lumps of shit. "But...but...its for le resistance' Well find but you are still going to have to make the rifled barrel and ream a chamber so you may as well make the rest from steel tubing while you are at it. The only point to resistance weapons is to kill the enemy so as to get their weapons and ammunition anyway because you can't fucking make brass, that's for sure.
>the spelling mistakes
this has to be bait
Nah, I'm missing part of my right hand and its at me today. Sorry
>Go watch this wonderful autist, I do my shit like this notr with 3d plastic.
This kinda smells like the “GNU plus Linux” pasta… it’s good, meaty.
It depends from group to group, some of them smuggle glock barrels and some of them ECM their own.
Like clockwork, glowies seethe about 3D printed guns and try to downplay it
bro the whole point of the FGC-9 is that you don't need to buy a barrel, you make it
Buy pipes and make them into barrels
McDonald
Steel tube or pipes
>The guns look like fucking toys
>They will probably break at some point
>Their precision and reliability is questionable at best
>Yet some will even try to get them on
Outside asking from where will they the ammo, in whathever regime they are fighting, I don't know if I should qualify it as "the future is amazing" or "holy shit this looks retarded and hyped"
Hey, give credit where credit is due, at least they’re doing something. Better than laying down idly and accepting what’s happening.
You never see the people harping on 3D printed guns ever acknowledging such comments. They refuse to notice 3D arms other than a novelty because they themselves refuse to go beyond the barrios of what makes them comfortable and legal law. We have guerrillas cheaply making more guns in 3D printers than it would be done with hand tools and milking machines and lathes in the same amount of time. Not perfect but good enough until they get their hands on real hardware.
Wait until you see how many the Croats made in the 1990s.
>milking machines
Tell me more about this part
its the same idea as the liberators of old: you use that to kill someone who has a better gun and then steal said gun for yourself
so I will say the future is bright, because even if the most draconian gun laws are enforced you can still DIY your own piece
3D printing bros are even working on printing their own rounds, which is retarded but as long as it opens a hole in someone then its good enough
I reckon a PLA cartridge could hold up under black powder pressures, and 45-70 doesn't need smokeless powder to kill someone.
>3d printed ball and cap pistols with disposable casings
If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid.
There was an anon here who was printing cases for his Snider Enfield.
Taoflerdermaus tested 3d printed shotgun shells, they kind of worked(good enough if it's all you had), but that was also years ago so there could have been improvements by now.
Those shells are pretty bad, even the print orientation is wrong.
And it still works.
but is 3d printed plastic really more effective than paper and like glue?
It's more scalable, for sure.
You could set up your printer and make hundreds of casings a night while sleeping.
Paper and glue can only go so far.
best thing about 3d printers is how easy it is to scale horizontally
just buy more printers, done
at worst you might need to upgrade the eletric circuit that feeds all of them (they need eat a decent chunk of power, primarily for the heated bed)
paper stuff is very fast and scalable but you def gotta have a human being there doing the work. set & forget is maybe useful somewhere.
with most 3d printers, you need a human being at the end of the print to remove the finished products from the bed
some printers don't need that either (belt style bed, or modded regular ones that use the x gantry to push things off)
>with most 3d printers, you need a human being at the end of the print to remove the finished products
Not really. It's very easy to have the print head go behind the print and have the bed go back, removing the print.
We just don't do it because more often than not you wanna visually inspect the piece.
The 3d shells didn't need a brass base, I didn't know anyone made paper based shells.
rolling tubes of even extreme lengths is the easiest shit there is, absolute minimal effoert and adhesive required. cramming a cardboard plug on the end is also effortless.
People will say anything to just not let 3D print bros cook
they can print whatever they want, just slower than not-printing.
probably the best option overall if you want to reload them at least once
Everytime without fail for 3 years straight every 3D printed gun thread on here is people suggesting the most niche insane shit to just not 3D print a gun,gun part, or what have you. Despite video evidence and pages of PDFs with step by step instructions. Plus as far as ammo is concerned theres files (with previously mentioned PDF instructions) that you print to aid you in making DIY ammo.
3d printers are niche, rolling up paper is universal. kids do it in baby school. usually for every 10 hours of shitty weak plastic printing there's an off the shelf hardware store part for pennies. 3d printers are fanatics and anti-practical.
Go do it then and report back because we have mountains of evidence of our way and you new age fudds ride the coattails of Luttys jamming machine and ignore everyone that attempted to make one saying its not good.
>jamming machine
I’m sure it’s the plastic receiver on the fgc that solved that issue, couldn’t be the fact that everyone runs them with factory mags. Luty with sten mag? No that’s cheating
The mags are also DIY. 3D printed mags came out before the FGC itself. Either way the overall package is objectively more reliable and easier to do than making a lutty. A cursory search on the internet has plenty of people that can attest to this. Keep coping neofudd. Plenty of other threads to derail its annoying we even have to justify everything to PrepHole. Click on garden gnomekraine thread number whatever or something.
>The mags are also DIY. 3D printed mags came out before the FGC itself.
Everyone still runs glock mags. They point at printed mags as something you can use if you can’t get real mags. And from what I’ve seen the printed mags perform about as well as a home made luty mag. The overall package is not more reliable. It’s still a extractor-less design with home made mags in both cases.
Well thats a lie.
>kids do it in baby school
Post ammo made by kids.
>werner von braun circa 1915 (colorized)
What about 3d printing the base and then rolling paper around it to make the hull?
I didnt mean paper based as in constructed of paper I meant paper based as in with a BASE made of paper.
I've never seen a 100% paper shell that functions in a modern firearm, only ones that had a paper hull with a brass base. Can you post a picture of one of these totally paper shells?
i do not have pictures, even in the hull wall though it's like glue/epoxy papier-mache
The only part I'm doubting specifically is the base.
you just push a piece of paper through shortened tube and glue it in place with a cardboard or layered glue/epoxy flat base with rim then knock a hole through it when its dry. it's not significantly less plastic than 3d printing in the end because glue it's just a much better process.
I'd love to see one, and see it cycle in any kind of action.
Chalmers: Ah- Aurora Borealis!? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your kitchen!?
Skinner: Yes.
Chalmers: ...May I see it?
Skinner: ...No.
i will be sure to post on tiktok special for you when i do it again
He already showed his hand as a malding millennioomer with
his goal was never to have a real convo. Just has a hate boner for 3D printing because fed or scared old man. No different than the guys he probably made fun of 10 years ago for having M14s and 1911s.
>you use that to kill someone who has a better gun and then steal said gun for yourself
This is guerilla warfare 101
The guns cost $0 if you win the firefight
Riches of the hunt after a successful ambush
Although I wouldn't call it stealing if they are dead
>I wouldn't call it stealing if they are dead
its called looting
jesus, play a videogame
>draconian gun laws are enforced
Its not the guns. Getting bullets is the hard thing
3d models can be process by cnc, so it only depends on how much you want invested in. I wont say no to a cnced HI power frame that fits my hand like a glove anyway.
I dont know why the rainbow colors, but the knowledge and equipment required to produce these is significantly less/cheaper than almost any prior shitty backyard gun. Slamfire pipe shotguns are arguably easier to make but also much shittier than an FGC9.
>I dont know why the rainbow colors, but the knowledge and equipment required to produce these is significantly less/cheaper than almost any prior shitty backyard gun. Slamfire pipe shotguns are arguably easier to make but also much shittier than an FGC9.
You are not making an FGC9 though you are not making any of the essential metalic parts that go in it whether spring or barrel or bolt or firing pin. Do you understand? And if you have those parts you can make something much much better to put them in using very basic tools and materials than you can using a 3d Printer.
>You are not making an FGC9 though you are not making any of the essential metalic parts
But you do make them.
>And if you have those parts you can make something much much better
Post it.
>Spring
Steel wire, wooden dowel, oven
>Bolt
Appropriately sized steel round stock, drill press or dremel, and a hack saw. Then you can just jb weld on small piece of metal as a firing pin.
>Barrel
Steel pipe
Honestly the multiple colors do serve a purpose. If you have something broken, and the colors are varied, you can actually more easily tell what part is broken and needs a new part printed off to be replaced.
I assume these will be spray painted camo or a less retarded solid color if they going to be used seriously at all.
Isn’t this war in the concrete jungle? Is camp really that effective or needed in that environment?
>Butt mad glowie.
The rebels trouble shot their first builds in r/FOSSCAD. Their spokesperson said they get the ammo from smugglers on the Thai border, it's all factory made. It's one of the things they are forced to raise cash to procure.
Please note they said they successfully used the FGC-9 to ambush government units then would strip the dead for proper battle rifle and other supplies. This was all close to a year ago so I assume it's going well for them. Teams of rookies with FGC-9's have to ambush government forces to prove their worth and earn their rifles. Pretty based, can't stop the signal.
Why don't they make plastic ammo casings? I understand heat would be an issue with no brass to conduct it away, but if it's just a cheap gun-to-acquire-gun build then they don't really need it to last.
actually these guns will be really easy to spot on dead rebels. makes reclaiming them easy as shit!
It is better to Pew than to not Pew at all
3d print gun community probably the most active gun making community ever existed. if you dont believe it just check how many post on weaponsguild daily anyway. better say something nice about them. or maybe someone prefer cheering for another glock from glock with minor changes
None of these people actually make guns. Bunch of kids having a wank
I dont think ATF and your local police agrees with you thou
You're an idiot
Nice proof
You're just mad the rest of the world isn't as stupid and lazy as you. You think innovation is gross because you can't do it yourself. You have no thoughts roaming around in that thick shit skull of yours. Instead you actually try to stifle people from innovating. This is why you don't fit in. This is why your bullshit propaganda will never work. Because you're stupid and out of touch
is that where you can get how tos on building minecraft machine guns
It's a great site for builders. There are some insanely skilled machinists there who post builds and stuf. One guy called Iron Worker machined an M14 receiver from a forging and it was a real masterpiece to behold
Awesome, is it possible to have the link please ?
I miss weaponeer.net
Did anyone save images of the gas-delayed 7.62x39? I could swear I saved them in a hard drive but I can't access the data due to a busted diode in the PCB.
>I think you’re just a shitposting European.
You got that right
I kneel.
A big thumbs up on your rifle.
Can someone explain why fully 3D printed guns are viable? I like the FGC-9, the Harlot, and frames/lowers as range toys, but they take so long to print. In the time that it would take me to print an FGC-9, I could go to a hardware store, buy steel tubing, fittings, springs, hardware, and build several open bolt SMGs.
I get that it makes sense in places with limited access to tooling, but it's harder to justify in more developed countries.
unlike other builds fgc9 comes with step by step instructions. even just for education purpose it has its value, you can simply apply the bolt weight , recoil spring wieght, trigger group specs to other designs. also you dont need to watch it print for 20 hours, so for mass production you only need to increase the number of printers compare to those heavy ass lathe or mill thats a win
I think all 3D printed guns have some educational value, and I definitely can't deny the scalability. But wouldn't it be better to 3D print smaller parts that require a high level of precision and metal tubing and sheet metal for parts that don't?
the way I see it, we are not there yet, since process metal needs tools and the most of community are not ready for that(its not fine to use an angle grinder in apartment etc), but you can see more and more designs use hardware store parts for re-enforcement,so yeah it takes time
what parts? iirc the fire control group for the FGC-9 is already optionally printable. magazine springs are easy enough to make out of piano wire.
bending and cutting sheet metal requires a modicum of skilled labor, and is also loud. once you have a printer dialed in you can hit print and then go ecm a barrel or do something else.
if you're concerned about durability, that's really a non-issue. 3d printed frames and parts last long enough that by the time they would fail before a metal one, you should have already looted a better firearm from a dead cop or soldier.
>I could go to a hardware store, buy steel tubing, fittings, springs, hardware, and build several open bolt SMGs.
Go ahead and do it. Hard mode - it has to go through a full magazine without jamming
I'm understand that there will be reliability issues with hardware store machine guns vs 3D printed ones. I'm arguing that fully 3D printed guns don't make a lot of sense. I think a viable zip gun uses a combination of 3D printed parts and off the shelf hardware store parts. Things that need tighter tolerances should be 3D printed - like feed ramps, magazines, and mag wells. But grips, upper receivers, bolts, don't need to be precise at all.
If you already have a 3D printer, you can print PDWs for $200 a pop, diy or cheap parts kits. What else would you get for $200? A notoriously unreliable handgun like a SCCY or Hipoint? Cheeky brits, biker gangs, Arabs living in Israel, etc have all went the “just weld metal tubes together” route since the 1970s and everytime the end product is unreliable. I trust my Ruger P89 in a printed PDW style frame more than any of the things I mentioned in this post.
>notoriously unreliable handgun like a SCCY or Hipoint?
Hipoints are reliable when in good condition. The reason there's so many unreliable ones around is because morons beat the shit out of them. The company will even do free repairs on a gun you bought second hand, the joggers just don't bother.
Id still take a printed PDW over a hipoint. Objectively more handy/ergonomic.
can't halfass the mags, that whole production concept needs a re-design from the ground up with shitty parts taken into account. jank tubes have always been completely adequate with good mags though.
3D printed mags are more reliable than factory mags from some companies. The people that release these files put more R&D into their stuff than you’re giving credit for.
What the fuck are you talking about? The main problem with sten/gustaf homemade guns that people have been making for decades has always been the magazine.
Retarded moron
>Hard mode - it has to go through a full magazine without jamming
Thats been done a ton, youtube it.
It's just another way for people to make firearms. I dont want there to be only one way, I want there to be as many ways as possible for a person to be armed. I want you surrounded by potential armaments. I want you to take a blacksmithing course and make a handgonne out of iron prills you harvested from a stream. I want you to teach a youth class on how to make black powder cannons out of tree trunks.
>I could go to a hardware store, buy steel tubing, fittings, springs, hardware, and build several open bolt SMGs.
I seriously doubt that.
those guys always forget to write "i think that" before their comments
of course they never follow up backing up their claim
>the time that it would take me to print an FGC-9, I could go to a hardware store, buy steel tubing, fittings, springs, hardware, and build several open bolt SMGs.
Or you could set-up the printer and fuck off to make pizza and wank, because you don't really have to babysit it.
>i can go to a hardware store and...
LOL you absolutely cannot. unless you somehow magically live right next to a dedicated warehouse willing to sell you metal stock (you don't) you're pretty much stuck with mcmaster carr and/or your local pick n' pull.
sheet metal and tubing in the appropriate gauges and sizes are special-order things nowadays. this isn't 1990. i've personally scoured every kind of hardware store within a 50 mile radius of my residence and there's nothing aside from the exact same stock that every store gets the exact same of.
seriously, as far as metal stock goes, nowadays it's relegated to an endcap with the same exact set of stock that the other stores buy. it all comes from one supplier, just different stores.
that shit doesn't happen anymore. as far as expedient firearms go, 3d printing is the way unfortunately.
Why do feds derail every 3D printed gun thread? Anyway does anyone know when the Chairman V3 revision will be finished? Its fun at the range but too thin to trust for anything serious.
I use pee80 with my own texture on it chairman‘s glock builds does feel too thin to me as well
>Why do feds derail every 3D printed gun thread?
Because they know any tom dick and harry being able to easily manufacture a gun in their garage is a threat to their corruption and abuse of power. Government gets real touchy about their monopoly on lethal force at the best of times.
>Because they know any tom dick and harry being able to easily manufacture a gun in their garage is a threat to their corruption and abuse of power.
Please look at itar. The us government doesn’t gove a single fuck about guns in america. You can’t even export a spring without lengthy and expensive licenses. Yet you can walk into any gun store and buy the hard to make pressure bearing parts, sometimes even with an 80% lower for cash no questions asked. The only gun control that exists is a bare minimum obstacle for the <50iq schizos that can’t even pretend to be normal for the 5 minutes it takes to meet a private seller.
They know that they will watch their children get hanged before they themself will hang and are trying to squeeze out a few more decades for themselfs
>feds
There are feds and there are people who get that 3d printing can be very useful but are just tired of all the tryhard larp and dick swinging by zoomers who are paranoidally afraid of spending 2 hours with a drill press and dremel and even in the domain of 3d printing can't be bothered to do slightly more than ender-3 and esun pla+
The shit people are printing gets cooler all the time
that looks too smooth to be 3d printed. how the fuck do they get it so smooth?
Could be resin, although I've heard that's quite brittle.
this is definitely pakistan
thats not 3dprinted
>printfags are now claiming commercial guns made out of wood and steel are 3D printed
https://old.reddit.com/r/ForgottenWeapons/comments/ryrb7s/that_bullpup_ak_wasnt_a_bullpup_ak_its_an_armi/
It's an Armi Jager AP85, from Italy.
Bullpup Ak
While terrible
Is extremely cool
One thing I don't really see mentioned is the was of packing up shop and moving rapidly or easily setting up a new shop in case of a raid. If your machine shop gets raided, not much you can do except ditch expensive metal working tooling, with a 3d printer you can have your setup shoved in the back of a van and bug out in under an hour.
>waiting to be raided
>not moving around with varied frequency and distance
everyone who got raided, planned on gettin raided: the post
>moving machining tooling is difficult
>just do it more often
>$300/lb filament
I'd like to see someone try to make barrels with shit, see if you can do conventional rifling or easier fouled polygonal, how the stresses and harmonics work, if carbon fiber helps with anything, if the accuracy and barrel life would be worth a damn. It'd definitely have an application if you could mass produce safe shotgun barrels though that'd probably take a shitload of time to print something that replaces just a metal pipe.
You could print a polygonal barrel out of UV resin and then use it to make a bronze investment cast. It would probably be easier.
The Chinktoid CCP cockroaches have been manipulating Myanmar for the last decade. Since they are totally shut off on their Eastern side via (Taiwan, Japan, Philippines, and others), they have financed the Junta to overthrow the democratically elected leader. On the coast of Myanmar, lies free access to the Indian Ocean and natural gas/oil reserves that the Chinks want to project power to their Western side.
Drones and 3D printed guns are bringing much complexity against the Junta, revolutionized warfare
Not a gun, but 3d printed parts. Mag release and charging handle.
Nice. Is it a Savage?
I made a scope mount for my Olimpia SuperSport. It still need some work but work great already.
It is! Nice work, that looks excellent
lad literally can't shut the fuck about them, it's uncanny.
>lad
Of course it’s the filthy bongs larping with these retarded toys
dialate LAD
>Can't even spell his chud-chaser terms
kwab
I've never 3D printed a gun but in my experience 3D printing is useless for anything but casings, brackets and handles. Right now I'm "3D printing" a bike gearbox and the actual gears bearings and shafts are all machined steel because the fully 3D printed version lasted about five minutes.
Let me put it this way: the handle is the part of the gun you touch 90% of the time you use it.
So carve it out of wood? Or cast it out of resin. 3D printing is only good for hard to cast small runs that are too expensive to injection mould.
are you being deliberately obstinate?
yes, ofc, if you have metal working tools, wood working tools, the space for all of the above, the knowledge to use them properly, of course you can make a better gun
that's not the fucking point
the point of 3d printed guns is that you don't need tools/space/knowledge to make them
all you need is a 3d printer, a minimal amount of metal parts (preferably commonly available without any restriction), and the ability to follow along with a simple manual for assembly and you can make a working firearm, even if you're in an apartment with limited space
This is like how people that only own 1 handgun know just as much about guns as no guns but think they know it all so they are loud and proud about their stupidity.
Considering pic related about the power of big bore airguns and how few shots you can get, how would you go about achieving at least that level of performance without being dependent on commercial ammunition or ammunition components?
Strange that nobody told you this, but you get a regulator for plinking in the garden. Reduce pressure to 1/5 and you get 50 shots.
Remove the regulator for actual hunting.
Anyway, getting a compressor and second tank might still be a good idea, if you plink a lot.
>Strange that nobody told you this, but you get a regulator for plinking in the garden. Reduce pressure to 1/5 and you get 50 shots.
I'm not the anon who made that pic if that's what you mean by this. I'm just curious as to other ways to achieve the same level of performance without being dependent on commercial ammo or ammo components.
Matches can be used to make primers, gunpowder can made from common organic compounds (potassium nitrate is found in urine and animal droppings, charcoal is charcoal), lead is a metal you can get it from scrapyards or just buy it online, cases are the only hard part. With some machine skill brass cases can be made, alternatively with low pressures you can use paper cases.
These are used because it's easier to smuggle 100 milled barrels bought cheaply and disguised or hidden in other things than it is to smuggle 100 finished guns of even the lowest and cheapest quality into these countries. I don't understand how you fucking tourists don't get that.
its not really but one real length antique barrel can make 4-5 3d printed carbines
You can bundle all of the barrels, however you got them, and move them in a much less conHispanicuous manner than a bunch of finished guns. One guy with a backpack can carry fifteen to twenty without wearing something that would draw even the smallest amount of suHispanicion. Instead of buying a crate of guns and shipping them on a cargo ship, you can bribe a sympathetic sailor to carry them in a duffel bag as personal baggage, stored in his personal belongings.
It's just way easier to move one part around than the finished product.
Can anyone suggest me a fully 3d printed 22lr handgun that I can put a can on? The harlot is just too small, it'd look awkward with a suppressor on it
check out the gambino
it has different barrel holders (don't know the correct word)
longer versions as well as one with integrated suppressor
Booligan Halo G19
Is chamber pressure currently the main limiting factor in making semiauto printed guns work with current materials and knowledge? If so, what's the highest that reliable designs use? If not, what makes them fall apart?
I caught myself wondering how 7.5 FK would do in a subgun.
printed materials are inherently too weak to use for anything
Yeah that explains why there are so many successful projects making heavy use of 3DP parts.
Dumb moron
If you mean a printed polymer barrel and chamber, I think the highest power that worked more than once is .38 spl. If you mean a firearm with metal bolt and barrel/chamber, then there's the Amigo Grande which is an adapted cetme .308. there's also the orca and bidens bane that are 3dp AR-15 upper and lower design that uses a conventional ar bolt and 5.56 barrel. If someone works out a 7.5 FK bolt/barrel combo for AR's, then it could just drop in to an existing design with some changes to the magazine well geometry.
It's exotic as fuck but PEEK is insanely strong, I'd be curious to see a barrel made from it for a non-22lr cartridge to see what happens. but I don't have that kind of money.
i think there's hope for non-furniture parts eventually but everyone sort of agrees that just supporting real non-regulated/hardware store parts is fine. shotties are inherently low pressure but there you don't even have cartridge to keep it from detonating through chamber wall.
nothing wrong with polymers but i think being able to be printed limits you to shittier plastics. nylon is good because it naturally form alternating-length chains or something, idk PEEK at all.
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PEEK is printable but requires a heated chamber and like 400C nozzle/ 150C bed
>nylon is good
mmm no
nylon has a tendency to deform under heat
well, all plastics do, i mean nylon is not the best, not even amongst common plastics
the voron, a very high end diy 3d printer is designed around abs (meaning its both meant to be build from abs, and is optimized for printing abs)
the designers specifically mention that nylon is a bad idea for it due to warping tendencies in the heat of the enclosed printing chamber
so, the best option for a 3dp gun, at least for the parts exposed to heat/mechanical stress is probably abs
maybe infused with carbon fibre. you'd be trading off some ductility and risking breakage, but you'd gain rigidity and lightness
yeah nylon is retarded strong outside of the 3d printing context, "machined" nylon barrel? i bet that would handle like single-shot .38 without problems.
There's someone making a 3d printed musket that uses a lighter for ignition but I don't have any more info than that.
Ignore the name
https://twitter.com/SuckBoyTony1
>electro-magnetically locked bolt
this is the interesting part.
Holy shit
You’re a materials engineer and not a gun printer huh?
im a moderately experienced 3d printer who has never printed a gun (or shot one, actually, since my army service. im a yuropoor, guns are hard to get here)
but i do find the subject of 3d printed weapons interesting, and i thought i could contribute
ABS and PETG are strong and have good layer adhesion. However their impact resistance is worse than most companies PLA “+” / “pro”. Strong is good for printing things that support a lot of weight but it also means too brittle for the violent action of a gun. Carbon fiber filled anything besides nylon is also too brittle. Nylon has great heat deflection and is flexible enough to not be too rigid once its filled with glass or carbon fibers. Which is why its the go to for guns you intend to use for anything serious while PLA pro is prototyping and range toys.
Can you build the FGC 9 full auto aswell?
Assuming not bound by any stupid amerilard rules here
yes
>fmgc-01
https://www.reddit.com/r/GunnitRust/comments/tvdni9/fmgc01_avtomat_jstarka/
>fmgc-01 compact
https://www.reddit.com/r/fosscad/comments/ytg07q/whats_a_compensator/
How reliable those magazines are? They look like a double stack.
the FGC-9 takes glock mags iirc
they're Glock mags, thoigh iirc the FGC9 mk1 didn't like printed 30 rounders and had specific 25 round mags designed for it, no idea if they solved the issue for the newer models but commercial ones are supposedly fine
how hard is it to smuggle some AKs into Myanmar?
Not as hard as convincing millennial fudds 3D printed guns work with mountains of evidence.
I'm doing this because I hear dead parts kit crying at night. they deserve a better end
Ubisoft tier story and guns
>tfw no one is 3D printing P90 stocks
Thought for sure someone would just clone the OEM stock dimensions but add a pistol grip or something crazy.
What I'm curious about is where they're sourcing the plastic for printing from. Is it recycled, melted-down scrap?
Filament is far from exotic and could be reeled onto spools of wire etc beneath any outside coils of something else, beneath hose and much more.
You can cut PET bottles into strips, fold them into a tube and pull through a heated nozzle to make filament.
But basic bitch PLA is so easy to acquire that it shouldn't be a problem.
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So, has there been an attempt at designing one that's more based on the luty's principles (where the needed metal parts can be bought in any hardware shop and the 3d printed parts are engineered around them)?
Orca?
Thats whats in the OP anon… FGC 9, Partisan 9, and the RBC 9 is in open beta currently.
I was at a match and some dude on my squad had his own 3d printed brass catcher hooked up to his PCC. it was shit and bounced shells back into the gun and jammed it a few times. my dad was on my squad too and he was like "BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD"
sounds like a design problem?
yeah he was prototyping his dumb bullshit in the middle of a match instead of during practice
Is it worth it to save up the money to get the Prusa XL? Seems to be much better if you want to print say a handguard.
https://us.store.bambulab.com/products/x1-carbon-combo
youll thank me later
I was looking at that, but I got a couple hundred in amazon cards I wanna use. I guess it would be used towards something else.
prusa is behind on tech and the xl is a delayed meme machine at this point. use that credit to get more filament from amazon
Fair enough argument. Saves my wallet some money too. Ever so slightly...
ive printed multiple p90 pistols with a brace before the ban. its amazin
damn I just spent that on a laptop I don't really need. could have gotten a 3d printer I don't need instead. fuck. maybe next year.
>Prusa
Only if you can't help sucking cocks everywhere you go.
My research has consisted of
>Ask question and do searches
>everyone recommends prusa
>I have some money on amazon for free so I can put that towards the printer
but I saw the bambu recommended and anon also recommends it so I'm researching it more.
lemme break it down for you a little more
prusa mk3 is the current golden standard for a JustWerks™ basic printer. iirc $750 for kit, $1k for an assembled model (get the kit)
it will handle pla, petg, tpu easily, abs and some nylons too, if you give it an enclosures (tho those high temp stuff are really not what its made for.)
prusa XL: new big boi, very overpriced imo, some interesting gimmicks
bambulabs x1: very well engineered, hasn't stood the test of time like the m3s.
and some other printers you might want to consider:
ender 3 v2 is basically a chinkshit prusa
costs like 200 shekels by now, and if you spend another 300-400 and several months upgrading it, it can almost reach the mk3s for capabilities (but usually not reliability)
its a good printer if you want to tinker and learn shit
any voron corexy will be a very high end option, capable of easily printing abs
those are not commercial products, at best you can find part kits (cost 1000-1500 shekels, ~800 for the small v0, but that's too small for an single printer setup)
it will take a long time and lot of effort to build one
but they are very well engineered, very fast, very capable
probably a bad idea as a begginer
so your saying the ender is for men who know how shit works and the prusa is for fags who wanna print star wars toys and horsecocks?
not at all
im saying if you want to buy a printer because you have shit you need to print, buy a prusa
assuming you do not completely bungle the assembly, it will work great and print your shit with no issues
on the other hand, if you want to buy a printer because it seems like a cool hobby and you don't mind spending lots of time debugging/upgrading/learning, the ender v2 is probably a better option
and if you really want something very advanced and/or very fast and/or specifically designed for high temp plastics (esp. ABS), build a voron
>im saying if you want to buy a printer because you have shit you need to print, buy a prusa
don't they still 3d print parts of the actual printer?
yup
prusa uses mk3s printers to print the parts of mk3s printers (and minis, and probably for the XL)
the mk3 has an INSANE amount of total printing time, from prusa dogfooding it and by being a very popular printer and from being the newest iteration of an extremely old line of printers
that's what makes it so extremely reliable
Thanks for the further breakdown anon, appreciate you taking the time to type that up.
If you have prusa money just get a bambu. I got a X1C. Totally overkill for most guns but I like adding gay little floral patterns and multiple colors. If I cared about function over form I would get the P1P with a harden extruder and nozzle so you can effortlessly print any material you want faster than other printers. They only cost 700 USD
when will we see first shooting spree with a gun looking like nerf toy? are they gonna ban nerf?
fgc9 in the field
Neat
Those the flips? Or was it the malays which had shit going down with their government?
maylays are the one counter-coup(?)ing
right. Wasn't sure is all. They were printing those fgc9s some time ago as well.
I regularly hear gun cotton get brought up as an option for homemade powder, but can anyone find Frederick Abel's patent for making it? From what I've read, he was the first person to develop a process for manufacturing it without it regularly aloha snackbaring any place it was manufactured at, and his process was more complex and it worked somewhat like paper manufacturing vs the simple method that people will use to make small quantities of gun cotton for fun where self combustion is still a potential issue.
I'm interested in this as well. Fuck tired discussion about 3D printing vs traditional homemade guns.
Didn't they use vaseline or wax as a desensitizer?
You're thinking cordite.
Plenty of information on how to make it. No need to dig into patents.
Not him, but a patent from the mid 1800s would give information on ways to process it in more than just very small batches without being dependent on a large industrial process like later methods.
someone in the old Keybase chat was looking into this and came up with a mix of curcumin powder and magnesium to stabilize NC
don't ask me details, I never joined the rocket chat after keybase politely asked DetDisp to leave
All drugs should be legal
And the current government of the Philippines should end.
They should be utopia
Both Myamar and the Philippines need new government
Lands of all potential
Redesign the world.
Global utopia results in immortality and divinity.
Utopia and divinity require divine utopian thoughts. As all is a thought, the core of a society is its peoples thoughts.
Liberate the collective consciousness/soul
I'm impressed by Menendez V2s, just make sure to use the follower with a deeper bolt hold-open notch. The one included in the V2 pack is too shallow and locks the slide back when there's one round left.
why is is without fail that any time this thread appears it inspires a horde of angry gunsmith boomers who are mad at 3d printed guns because "MUH DRILL PRESS ANGLE GRINDER STICK WELDER HOME DEPOT GUNS" as if the point of advancing technology isn't to make things easier to access and do
youre just being intentially obtuse about the benefits and shortcomings of 3d printing. literally boomer tier rhetoric 90% of the time by people who don't understand. i've made several lowers and an fgc9 and i've also made a (closed bolt semi auto) 9mm smg pistol out of metal (it took forever but it was a fun project)
the reality is that it isn't pre-9/11 anymore and you can't find that shit in hardware stores.
not to mention 3d printing is getting better. a group is just about to release an entirely 3d printed p90 (yes the smg that shoots 5.7x28) with the only non-printed part being a homemade barrel.
someone also just made a fucking belt fed 9mm.
there's a design for a bullpup FGC9 in full auto.
yeah, it's plastic shit. but guess what? this isn't the fucking 90's. plastic works. the 3d printing community has a deeper understanding of the tolerances of these things than you care to understand.
tldr keep crying
i could do without the aura of unfunny reddit lolbertarian memeshit that pervades the 3dp community though. shits annoying.
also getting tired of the pistol lowers. like we get it, theyre not cool anymore and nobody cares. give us more fgc9/p90 stuff.
yeah
>i could do without the aura of unfunny reddit lolbertarian memeshit that pervades the 3dp community though. shits annoying.
Yep. You can tell they'd drop it in a second if it'd hurt the feelings of their preferred minorities too.
>ACAB! btw the cops should go after you for daring to do milsurp LARPing in your youtube videos of a no-no country like rhodesia you fucking whitey
Tiresome gays.
It doesn’t help that the only kinda right wing person with clout that isn’t a massive pussy is about it all is a Brazilian guy they all hate anyway. Everyone else will say whatever behind closed doors then simp for communist trannies on socials
Couldn’t you go to mcmastercar and find everything you need there for metal parts? Also I agree with the gun lower thing gay and boring as hell your not making a gun your making one part and putting everything else on it. Boring! Also I think in any other place other then the US it’s a complete waste of time seeing as I think they relegate other parts like barrels and shit instead
Whole thread dunking on your points before you even posted this. Wow! Amazin!
How?
We justified enough to you. Read the thread or go to one of the 20 Ukraine threads newfags flooded this board with.
socialist cope
Is pirating solidworks still the go to move? Ive got some ideas i want to mess with but i dont have the technical drafting skills to do it on paper.
I love solidworks but I would assume that if you don't have experience the learning curve may be steeper than other options. But having to learn shouldn't stop anyone IMO
Rebels. Brought to you by the National Endowment for Democracy. Sponsored by the CIA and US state department. Happy democracy Myanmar you will pay for it whit your blood.
I don’t think anyone cares enough about mymmar to do anything like that in it. There’s a reason they’re using homemade guns instead of real ones brought in
Yeah PrepHole even used to be pro-Russian separatist years ago. Normie magatards came to PrepHole and went to 4chan looking for Q.. Unfortunately they ended up shitting up this board in the process. Id rather have the furries back than these people
the clank days were the best days
reminder to printfags that if you're still using a hardened steel or even a brass nozzle you're fucking wrong. If your printer can't accept tungsten carbide then it goes into the trash where it belongs
You have to go back.
2016 newfag election tourist. have a nice day moron
>You can't hate garden gnomes, Chinamen, and Russians at the same time because... Because you just CAN'T OKAY?!?
bitch I hate everyone I haven't gone fishing with.
smooth amigo is looking good