Arguably they always have been. It is much easier to get a gun from the streets. The only benefit it had was that the feds weren't tracking the production of them, now any component used to make an FGC-9, like a hydraulic tube, raises a red flag. More and more people making these firearms are being caught. Goodbye 3d firearms, it was nice knowing you.
yes, better shut down homedepot now, gay.
Home depot doesn't sell hydraulic tubing
Also, it's not actually hydraulic tubing, it's "explosion proof 9mm tubing" lol
You don't need explosion proof tubing
Any piece of steel with a hole through it works. Barrels are thin cylinders of special steel because it's the lightest way to withstand the explosion. You can just brute force the equation with a lot more mild steel.
>Any piece of steel with a hole through it works.
So like with a lathe?
Why even print anything at that point, you have the tooling needed to make a legit gun
No, with a hand drill. Take the block of steel, drill a hole through the middle, adjust print parameters to support a square barrel instead of a cylindrical one. Hell, you don't even need power tools if you have the patience to use one of these.
If you can't drill straight enough, cut it shorter and have a shorter barrel.
>t. someone who has never tried to drill a long, straight hole through steel
An inch is plenty.
Mild steel isn't hard to drill. You don't need anything treated, just get soft steel and spend a few hours drilling. You'll get your barrel eventually. It might be slow as shit and you might burn through bits, but so what?
You have never done anything before
You're deflecting, post your projects, post your tools
I don't need to do anything to know you can drill a hole given enough time. If it takes fucking 300 hours you'll still get your ghetto barrel eventually.
Yep, no tools no guns no skills
I have guns, didn't need tools to get em.
Explain how you can't drill a 1" long hole through the softest hardware store available given an infinite amount of time to do it in.
There it is, admitting to having never made anything before
Why even talk on a subject you have no experience on?
Because I'm only talking about drilling a hole, not the entire process of making something. I have drilled through steel when I had to make a hole in my car's frame to bolt back on my hood holding up rod when it broke off (was originally riveted) It was a fucking bitch and a half to do with a hand drill, but it was doable and doing it for longer with softer steel is perfectly possible. Just keep at it.
You've never made anything and it shows lol
>I drilled a hole in my car once
Thanks for showing everyone itt how retarded you are
I'm only talking about drilling a hole. A hole no longer than 1". You're right I've never made anything, but I have drilled a hole in steel with a hand drill.
>I've never made anything
We already knew that from the beginning of this
You can stop talking now
Explain why you can't drill a 1" long 9mm diameter hole through the mildest steel available. You can't because it's perfectly possible, just time consuming and tedious.
>Explain why you can't drill a 1" long 9mm diameter hole through the mildest steel available
you should do that since you've never done it before
But I can buy guns.
And I've drilled through 1/8th" of significantly harder steel. It'd fucking suck to have to do that 7 more times, but it's just more hours.
>i drilled through 1/8th of steel so i can make a gun
zoomers are getting out of hand
this isn't a videogame, im sorry
I couldn't make the whole FGC-9. No way in hell could I weld the bolt. But I could drill a hole in steel to make the barrel.
Stop falling for bait.
I guess he's never heard of l8ne boring before.
I do it through steel threaded rod all the time.
Also you continually fail to address the existence of designs utilizing nylon barrels
Has a solution been found to cartridges sticking in nylon barrels, effectively ruling out magazine fed designs if you want a gun that can fire multiple rounds without using a steel barrel?
I'm going to propose a riotous concept. Make the barrels themselves mag-fed.
A magazine full of preloaded 3d printed barrels.
Nope. And the barrels wear out after a few shots. But it's a concealable assassination weapon, if you don't make it count in one shot you already failed. There's always the humble pipe shotgun for something that can get multiple rounds off as far as longarms go, if it doesn't need to stay hidden.
You have never made anything and it shows
Post some of your completed projects for us
The feds can't stop serialized guns making their way to criminals and you're using this as evidence that they CAN stop 3D printed guns from doing the same?
Yeah because apparently if you buy raw materials it's a red flag lawl
Try buying fertilizer and diesel
OK, now what?
ANFO is fairly stubborn so you'll have to make some equivalent of a no 8 cap.
Farmers do that all the time.
funnily enough, it's perfectly legal and within my rights as an American to manufacture my own firearm for personal use, so the feds can squeegee my asshole with their tongues as they read my home depot receipt
>More and more people making these firearms are being caught
Imagine being caught doing something that is 100% legal. How would you ever live it down?
You don't need explosion proof tubing. You can use any piece of steel barstock with a hole drilled in it. You can make up for the wrong kind of steel by just making it thicker. People just use the tubing because it's a better product with less wasted weight and it's currently available. If it weren't available there are easy alternatives.
There are also printed guns that use printed nylon barrels, a 22lr songbird is just filament, a rubber band, and a framing nail
Plumbing pipe is already adequate. No need for explosion proof tubing OR diy barrels.
>uses a lathe and a welder to make the barrel
It's literally nothing
The Ivan/Jstark FGC-9 uses a welded bolt and cartridge pickup. Yeah there's weldless forks of the design but demanding everything to be weldless when the guys who made the autistic "has to be doable inside an Asian bugman apartment/European commie block" accepted that having to buy a 120 USD welder was an acceptable compromise is beyond unreasonable.
The guide literally provides for using JB weld, a type of glue. Why are you lying?
The JB weld will not survive past a certain round count, it's there to hold the steel inside the 3d printed clamshell.
As I have stated, there are weldless designs but the original intent was to use a welder.
The reality is that 3D printed guns, or rather the design direction people into them have taken them, were always a meme. Same with the Luty. You're looking at massively oversized guns that are entirely impractical unless you're already walking into a situation where you expect to immediately start shooting, and so little effort has been put in on the ammo side of things despite any country where 3D printed guns make a difference in availability requiring a license to purchase ammo. The ammo point is even worse since 2020 as even people in the US should at least have an idea of the pain that would be brought about if strict laws regulating ammo purchasing were passed after watching ammo availability collapse into nothing in real time.
>group of autists who reinvigorated the 3d print movement created the "But What About Ammo" guide specifically to teach people how to load 9mm in Euroland
>people still go "but what about muh ammo?" two years later
>relies on the single point of failure that is the availability of ramset blanks
>when electric alternatives to ramsets that will make it easier for governments to pass laws regulating ramset blanks were already on the market and gaining ground when that dropped back in 2020
>electric alternatives to ramsets
Are nonfunctional and always will be. The energy isn't there to make it actually work.
Dewalt and Hilti both had offerings capable of driving fasteners into concrete and steel when that dropped back in 2020, and I've personally talked to contractors who went with those over ramsets because of how much more convenient they were.
>relies on the single point of failure that is the availability of ramset blanks
True. You still had plenty of time to acquire them since the guide dropped. Your argument changed from "ammo requires a license" to "homemade ammo has a single point of failure" which is an obvious moving of goalposts.
>electric alternatives to ramsets that will make it easier for governments to pass laws
So between a law being written, passed and enforcement you have what - 5 to 10 years?
You're raising issues for the long term future you could solve right now, that's the definition of a bad faith argument. You can do this to literally any point of view, just continually raise issues until you wear down the opposition with so much bitching and moaning people give up.
>Your argument changed from "ammo requires a license" to "homemade ammo has a single point of failure" which is an obvious moving of goalposts.
My argument is that there is a massively disproportionate effort being put toward guns rather than the consumable item that all guns need to be more than just a fancy paperweight. That some people did put in effort, but still left single points of failure for politicians to go after that no one else is addressing only further proves my point.
>So between a law being written, passed and enforcement you have what - 5 to 10 years?
Try a couple years from the bills being passed with grandfathering current users potentially reducing that time, and there isn't going to be warning about those bills being written. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the bills are already written in some areas with politicians just waiting for the right event to ram them through.
>just continually raise issues until you wear down the opposition with so much bitching and moaning people give up.
>bringing up important near future issues to be proactive about before they become a massive issue and a potential roadblock is demoralizing people
At this point, I'm convinced people like you who try to stop discussion whenever anything that isn't circlejerking about how we totally can't stop winning and the enemy is already long defeated are the ones arguing in bad faith to shut down opposition.
>there is a massively disproportionate effort being put toward guns
The disproportional effort is towards frames and receivers.
Almost nobody is focused on scratch built guns, those who are seem to be equally as vigilant about ammo.
The vast majority of people putting out designs are Americans making stuff for other Americans, and they are mostly remixing existing frame/receiver designs. You can't use these people to pad the statistics when so much of their work is more cosmetic than structural.
>still left single points of failure
They didn't "leave" points of failure, they came up with the solution with the lowest barrier to entry. It's not a freaking death star exhaust port. It's A solution, and there can be more solutions. Why don't you come up with something?
>only further proves my point.
Your point was "but what about muh ammo" and you were preemptively countered two years ago. Your point was that ammo required a license to buy. Do not walk it back now.
>Try a couple years
Couple of years have passed already. You're still bitching and moaning.
>politicians just waiting for the right event to ram them through
Holy shit, so get them now before the big event happens? You're literally warning yourself beforehand and you're STILL bitching.
>bringing up important near future issues to be proactive
You're not being proactive, you're complaining. Deterrence Dispensed were proactive by releasing the ammo guide two years before your post. I don't see you doing any proactive stuff here.
>I don't see you doing any proactive stuff here.
Various proactive stuff pertaining to securing ammo in quantities and with amounts of effort per round for it to be regularly shootable to deal with extended shortages when it can't be bought, learning about workable non-firearm alternatives, and focusing on getting a better idea of practical gun use cases that can actually happen vs what's fantasy with the goal of reducing the logistical burden of what ammo I need to worry about making vs what's a luxury for fucking around have become a massive focus of mine since 2020. I stopped bringing up specifics of what I'm working on in 3D printing threads because it was never productive vs just posting in or making more relevant threads and pointing out how ammo is an issue in these threads.
Now what do you do here besides bitching when anyone brings up issues to work on?
>words words words
>"actually I do stuff but that stuff goes to another school"
Cool shit anon. At least DetDisp set a goal for themselves, achieved it, and posted it for people to do whatever they wanted with it.
You take shots at people who actually walked the walk and then act shy about your supposed work. I don't give a shit about your stage fright anon. Don't even *pretend* to be doing anything other than concern trolling when you criticize others and then refuse to share with the class to avoid being critiqued.
>>"actually I do stuff but that stuff goes to another school"
>this is the type of poster who shrieks at people for not circle jerking about 3D printing
"I have a girlfriend but she goes to other school" is a subtle dig at people telling lies they have convenient excuses for not providing evidence for.
Politicians are going after 3d printed ghost guns right now. They can ban unlicensed ownership of:
Any other personal posession of an industrial metal
Metal of sufficient quantity
Plastic of given types or materials
Chemical precursors to common propellants
The supply chain is infinitely vulnerable to regulatory efforts. The goal posts can be moved by politicians forever. Until you own nothing and have to be happy about it.
The 3D gun community is changing the dynamic by introducing new foibles as a delaying tactic and new cultural norms. If you want to stop "them" from banning guns you need to wrest power from them.
OG 3d printers were DIY and used fucking weedeater line as filament. Which is nylon, so can print a serviceable barrel too.
I think my point missed you.
>build your own printer
, sweetie, what kind of terrorist are you that you need servo motors?
>>Uh, sweetie, privately owned machine thread rods are illegal
>>Uh, sweetie, how dare you buy plastic weedwhacker line, its very bad for the environment
>>uh, excuse me, owning an assault weed whacker is dangerous. Are you a liscenced landscaper?
>>did you use only Certified Cockroach Fiber thread in your weed whacker?
me, xer, is that private property you are attempting to possess?
>>why are you not inside your 20 sqft HabZone(tm), there's a lockdown going on for the next twenty minutes
From circuit boards to electric motors, to raw materials. Everything we do is predicated on the existence of an accessible supply chain with the right of private ownership. All you need to do is look at the UK to see where things are going. They can ban you from owning anything including the means of weapons production and sustenance. The point of resistance is way before that, obviously, but don't count on "DIY"being a meaningful solution.
>they're going to ban metal
You know they banned gasoline automobile sales by 2030 in Europe, right?
You can't buy plastic knoifs without an adult ID in Brittain.
These lunatics are serious.
>You know they banned gasoline automobile sales by 2030 in Europe, right?
New gasoline automobile sales, with a number of those areas still planning for allowing the sale of plug in hybrids (ie gas engine, but with an electric motor and small battery so that you don't need to rely on gas for daily travel around town).
3d printed guns are being used in theaters of civil war right fucking now.
>Arguably they always have been. It is much easier to get a gun from the streets. The only benefit it had was that the feds weren't tracking the production of them, now any component used to make an FGC-9, like a hydraulic tube, raises a red flag. More and more people making these firearms are being caught. Goodbye 3d firearms, it was nice knowing you.
meanwhile in reality, the fgc9 is being used to wage literal war
>meanwhile in reality, the fgc9 is being used to wage literal war
These are basically pistols, they are useless in anything except maybe close quarters combat where you are going to die anyways.
it is far better than nothing, and you can more likely win and survive with a 3d printed gun like than than a stick
You just described all small arms.
Wana win a war get into artillery.
Want to frustrate a tyrant? Get into guns.
These fed psyops are absolutely out of control. It's like we're living in the USSR or something.
why 3d print a gun when you can just buy one?
Firearms like the FGC-9 were never designed with Americans in mind. They were designed to be built by people in countries with strict gun laws (UK, Canada, Australia, France, etc.)
Anyone else notice that 3d printed weapon threads ALWAYS get derailed by some circle jerk about how they are or aren't real guns that can be made at home and how lathes are just so much better?
Ever notice how there's never any discussion about the mechanics of firearms or making them?
>Ever notice how there's never any discussion about the mechanics of firearms or making them?
Because the vast majority of people who post about 3D printing don't know shit about actually designing and making guns and are only interested because of how easy 3D printing makes it (ie they're consumers approaching discussion like a consumer product), and a lot of the older posters who were interested in deeper discussion were driven off by the low quality posting that 3D printing discussion attracts.
lel, you are exactly the same except you're on the anti 3d print side. A pot complaining about the kettle being black.
Except you have less value since they sometimes post cool fun pics.
Yeah ik, they just want to shitpost and never really have anything of value to say