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250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

LifeStraw Water Filter for Hiking and Preparedness

250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TRUCKS. ARE. TOO. FRIGGING. BIG!!!!!!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Truck owners are cancer. 90% of them have no legitimate need for a truck but drive them to reclaim their fading masculinity or because they are too obese to drive a normally sized vehicle.

      Anyone who drives a truck and doesn't have items in the bed at least 50% of the time is a little dicked homosexual who doesn't work for a living and doesn't deserve your respect.

      Go back, /n/igger

      What exactly was the regulation/loophole that is behind the massive scale of these vehicles? It was some kind of emissions thing right?

      A combination of EPA regs and NHTSA crash testing.
      >EPA bases emissions and efficiency requirements on wheelbase and footprint
      >larger vehicles make it easier to reach
      >larger frontal area distributes impact better to better pass crash tests
      >more important for high mass vehicles like trucks and SUVs

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This, can get a 3/4 ton now for the price of a V8 1/2 for this reason now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Truck owners are cancer. 90% of them have no legitimate need for a truck but drive them to reclaim their fading masculinity or because they are too obese to drive a normally sized vehicle.

      Anyone who drives a truck and doesn't have items in the bed at least 50% of the time is a little dicked homosexual who doesn't work for a living and doesn't deserve your respect.

      nothing makes me more immediately lose respect for a man than finding out he's paying off a loan for a $70,000 truck with heated seats and a touchscreen.

      the other day I saw a truck with an extended crew cab towing a trailer so it could carry 8' boards. complete fricking clown moment

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >guy driving big truck
        >the bed is empty but he's towing a small trailer
        I do not understand this. Unless you're renting power equipment that comes with its own trailer, or it's a boat you need to launch from a ramp, WTF is the point of a tiny trailer when you have the truck bed available?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You dont want to mess up the truck bed anon, you'll devalue the truck further if you load things in there.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >laughs in spray bed liner

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's not just for shitty pl8s!
              We apply it to trailer beds our fab shop makes as a side gig. That shit takes days of scrubbing to remove from skin. Even xylene barely affects it once it starts to cure.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Paying a car note is entirely pathetic. Paid cash for my custom ordered F-350 because I'm white.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he isn't an extremely qualified buyer who is given 0% 5 or 6 year loans to buy new every 6 years

          Sorry I don't speak poor

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They offered me 5% for up to 7 years but that would mean I owe someone (or worse, an organization) something. Only debt I've ever held month to month is a mortgage and I cleared that a few years ago.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >5%
              0% - been a long day

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I gimp myself financially in order to hold an arbitrary moral opinion of myself
              weird flex but ok

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah not having bills sucks

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol if that helps you cope

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                whatever brownie

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah us smart people pay car notes in perpetuity so we can trade up to the next model with a bigger screen

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, Cletus.
          Spoken like an idiot who still doesn't lease his phone.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I seethe every time I see a truck with rims and tires that would obviously get packed with mud and slip if ever taken off road.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >$70,000 truck
        Jesus christ you can buy a half decent Piper or Cessna 152 for that price. There are so many better options to spend 70k than on a shitty pavement princess.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Post plane or drop the larp

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't need to prove anything to you, truckold.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              As expected

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blame the EPA and NHTSA.
      EPA forced trucks to get bigger so they could be held to less strict fuel economy standards.
      NHTSA forced them to get taller for "pedestrian safety" because having 3" of space between the engine and hood matters a whole lot when the hood would be over 40" off the ground anyway. Now you can't see out of the truck and are more likely to hit the fricking pedestrians.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They genuinely are. A midsized truck nowadays used to be a 1500 size.
      If you are not hauling a fifth wheel regularly a Tacoma, Frontier, Ranger, Colorado, Dakota etc is more than adequate.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Black person you ever price out those small trucks? More expensive than a lower trim 1/2 ton.

        /n/ raid

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      nothing makes me more immediately lose respect for a man than finding out he's paying off a loan for a $70,000 truck with heated seats and a touchscreen.

      the other day I saw a truck with an extended crew cab towing a trailer so it could carry 8' boards. complete fricking clown moment

      Truck owners are cancer. 90% of them have no legitimate need for a truck but drive them to reclaim their fading masculinity or because they are too obese to drive a normally sized vehicle.

      Anyone who drives a truck and doesn't have items in the bed at least 50% of the time is a little dicked homosexual who doesn't work for a living and doesn't deserve your respect.

      listen up cuck kid - what someone else chooses to drive has no effect on you. Shut the frick up. There's a website called reddit that you might find more your style where 30 year olds working at starbucks with $60k of student loans and a psych degree will agree with you.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Walking around with a dildo strapped to your forehead doesn't either but it still looks cringe and moronic, much like driving a refrigerator on wheels bariatric copewagon

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Truckold detected

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tell your kids to stop playing in the road.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kids will continue playing on the streets and kids will continue dying on the streets.
      kids today are too sheltered and soft and therefore a couple of fatalities ought to smarten up the reset.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you run over a child with your Volkswagen bug they're still probably going to die

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >stop other people from having nice things because I'm too moronic to keep my kids in check!!!

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What about cybertruck?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Holly Molly!
      "Elon bad", imma right?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >runs over kid on auto pilot anyway while watching Harry Potter
        Heh nothing personel kid.
        Should've learned to look left and right before crossing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The proportions are absolutely fricked in these diagrams. An M1 Abraham's is over 8 feet tall, a ram 2500 is like 6 and a half

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hey dumbass, where do you think the driver sees from on the abrams, top of the turret?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not that anon but did you even see where they connected the line of sight on the tank? Its never even close to where the drivers visibility begins.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This nay because complex concept for someone with room temp is but bear with me - the graphic is intentional disingenuously scaled. A tank is much larger than a truck but the graphic implies muh truggs are taller

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >intentional disingenuously scaled
              There's no scale at all. There's no scale bar in the image, no stated scale, and the trucks aren't consistently scaled between each other. It's just a graphic for smoothbrains to understand what the numbers are showing. The numbers are all that matter.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's all disingenuously scaled so Karen's can shreik and scream about your heckin truckerino is the same size as a tank! When in reality that's not remotely true

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's all disingenuously scaled so Karen's can shreik
                It's obviously intended for a technical audience and not the general public.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those hecking karenrinos are the ones that buy and drive those trucks. Men might be owners but its mostly b***h wives who see some accident on tv and develop hysteria. That and "my husband buys me a bigger car" type of shit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >An M1 Abraham's is over 8 feet tall,
          By machine gun top. Turret roof is at 7.8 feet.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Which is still significantly taller than a road going truck

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >autopilot refuses to spot a child
        >child gets run over and decapitated thanks to edgy design
        >want to stop to call an ambulance
        >can't because the gas pedal wedged itself into the frame at full throttle
        >crash into a tree
        >almost die due to no crumple zones
        >somehow manage to crawl to the trunk to pull out a med kit
        >accidentally decapitate yourself by closing the trunk
        Thanks Elon.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >implying you'll be able to get out when the doors shut down for a mandatory software update
          an optimist, I see

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            into a tree
            >battery gets damaged and sets the car on fire
            >doors refuse to open because fried electronics
            >attempt to break the window to escape
            >can't because Elon though that a bulletproof car would be cool
            >die violently in a burning inferno as the car reduces itself to atoms in minutes
            Here's an alternative variant of the story.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It’s not going to be a time fun in Elon’s Dutch oven truck when the next big California wild fire hits

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You boys hear about that newfangled gas-o-leen shit they want to run cars on nowadays? That'll cook a man like a whole hog bar-be-cue if it gets lit. Why don't these youngin's know that steam is the way to go. And now they're talking about putting e-lecktricity in peoples houses! Mark my words, there's gonna be a lot of folks e-lectrocuted and burned outta their homes on account of that, not at all like muh candles.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m talking about the stainless steel body. When people try to drive through a forest fire they’re cooked long before the gasoline cooks off.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stainless steel has lower thermal conductivity than normal steel, and much lower than aluminum. You'd actually be safer in a stainless body compared to the other common alternatives.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sitting in a 1500 degree gasoline fire vs sitting in a 5000 degree battery fire
                I'll take my chances with the fish-turned-black-ground-goop thank you very much

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Alright, have fun being slow-cooked to death rather than incinerated, I'll stick to my horse wagon like God intended.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Alright, have fun being slow-cooked to death rather than incinerated, I'll stick to my horse wagon like God intended.
                Alright, have fun being turned into a shish kebab Mr. Hands style, I'll stick to my own legs like God intended.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          into a tree
          >>cut it of clean like katana strike

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          manage to crawl to the trunk to pull out a med kit
          Implying you won't get raped into non-existence by the battery fire after crashing a Tesla into a tree

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And don't forget:
          >Autopilot shut off 2 miliseconds before hitting the tree because it detected an impending crash
          >Can't sue

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love this, but do you have the non-cancer version with higher res?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't even have an engine in there, the baby murder zone should be 0.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the baby murder zone should be 0.
          That would require absolutely NO hood in a car. It would be shaped like some sort of bread loaf...

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            looks comfy

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It absolutely isn't.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/rPlWPln.jpeg

              >the baby murder zone should be 0.
              That would require absolutely NO hood in a car. It would be shaped like some sort of bread loaf...

              It doesn't even have an engine in there, the baby murder zone should be 0.

              It absolutely isn't.

              Why not just add front mirrors so you can look down over the hood?
              Like $10 worth of glass could solve this entire issue.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why not just add front mirrors so you can look down over the hood?
                Pedestrian safety. Nothing should protrude over the hood. 5 feet tall bumper of the mega truck that hits ribcage and kills pedestrian is ok, but 2 feet bumper that hits shins and let's pedestrian roll over car is big no no if it has things.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God damn, I didn't know a cyber truck was 105m tall! Sign me up, daddy Elon.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What kind of 5 year old is 1.9m? Even 1.65 seems doubtful.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Confusing writings.
      It's range from bumper to the kid in meters. Range kid becomes visible to driver.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What kind of parent is letting their kid play on the road within 4 metres of the front of a truck/ute? Would you let them do it front of a bus or a train?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kids are moronic, bold, and don't pay attention. Parents should not be helicoptering them anyways, terrible for development.

          Also, the kind that live next to roads? Which is a lot of people.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Kids are moronic
            Yours are, but that’s why kids are taught things like “never walk in front of the bus, the driver can’t see you”
            But obviously we should just ban cars though (but not buses) because teaching children is just too hard

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah I'm not a bikegay, I just don't like the suburban homosexuals who get a lifted pickup and brag about 'being independent' or whatever and then the only thing they do other then drive a daily commute is go camping 1 night a year at a fricking cabin.

              Also next to a road is not in front of a utes bull bar, why are they walking 4 metres in front of a moving vehicle?

              Cars are fast. Very fast. Kids are fragile. It quite literally only takes a second.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then we should ban buses and trains then, to protect the children
                Or get the EPA to end it’s stupid rules that prevent people buying smaller, cuter pickups

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most buses tend to have pretty good visibility because there's no hood in front of the driver's window (a notable and funny exception being american school buses), who also tends to be seated on a fairly high position.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him, but you should go play in traffic

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What kind of parent is letting their kid play on the road within 4 metres of the front of a truck/ute? Would you let them do it front of a bus or a train?

                Confusing writings.
                It's range from bumper to the kid in meters. Range kid becomes visible to driver.

                Wait, so are trucks moving or not? if they are, kids are fricked anyway, if they not, implyed thing may happen with regular cars too

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if they not, implyed thing may happen with regular cars too
                Yes of course, the point is to compare said trucks with other vehicles.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Cars are fast. Very fast.

                Why the frick are you leaving your kid unattended by a road where cars are moving >15 mph?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Only a problem with American busses. A European one has a wildly different config where the driver is basically driving an aquarium tank.
              t. Had to steer one of those behemoths through Fuerstenfeldbruck

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also next to a road is not in front of a utes bull bar, why are they walking 4 metres in front of a moving vehicle?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Parents should not be helicoptering them anyways, terrible for development.
            That is a game the parent can never win. If they helicopter the kid they avoid many potential problems but risk developmental issues. If they don't helicopter the kid then there is a never-ending list of potential accidents the kids might face, and no matter how many consumer protection laws exist will always continue to claim children's lives.
            >We should regulate big trucks because they allow a careless driver to more easily kill a kid if they're not watching where they are going
            can easily turn into
            >We should regulate guns that shoot far, because they allow a careless shooter to more easily kill a kid if they accidentally miss

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            46.1% of all pedestrian deaths where passenger cars. Trucks vans and SUVs (which includes your Nissan rogues and rav4s) are 39.1%. And while we're at it: "The percentage of pedestrian deaths involving speeding was 8.1% in 2021" So speeding isn't that relevant. Can't find US stats surprisingly but Canada with the same car culture and choices as US has only 17% of all registered vehicles be trucks or specifically truck based SUVs and Vans.

            BTW only like 7500 pedestrians died last year, which is nothing when think about how many people and how many cars there are. Every single leading cause of death in the US is medical. Not even 50 thousand people die in ALL car related deaths in the entire US.

            So like most alarmist leftie opinions, none of these complaints is based in reality. It's just more reddit and europoors seething.

            >Kids are moronic
            Yea the point of the parent is to fix that lmao. We played street baseball, cricket, soccer hockey, and none of us died because someone going "CAR!" whether big or small meant get out the way.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Pedestrian deaths are only one part of the issue, and when you look at time of day the main area where pedestrian deaths increased is at night. That makes sense when you couple distracted drivers with worse night-vision thanks to today's billion-lumen headlights.

              Larger vehicles are more dangerous for everyone else on the road however, else we wouldn't require additional licensing for heavier vehicles. Fact is, our overall road accident death rate was dropping in line with other countries until the 2010s, and then reversed and is still on the rise, surpassing Russia and long divorced from France whom we were even with in road deaths back in the '90s. Obviously we're doing something wrong and France, Italy, Germany, and Japan are all doing something right.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That makes sense when you couple distracted drivers with worse night-vision thanks to today's billion-lumen headlights.
                So you'd rather have dimmer headlights? Most deaths are at night, because of human factors, people j walk more at night, clothing color becomes more relevant at night, drivers are sleepier at night, etc.

                >Larger vehicles are more dangerous for everyone else on the road however, else we wouldn't require additional licensing for heavier vehicles.
                And yet the stats don't show that, 46.1% are cars. There is no substantial bump in truck suv or van deaths if adjusted for population. There's additional licensing for commercial vehicles because those are much larger and/or have different technologies and/or have different laws. You don't need any special license to drive an RV for example or a 26ft uhaul.

                >Obviously we're doing something wrong and France, Italy, Germany, and Japan are all doing something right.
                They have fewer drivers and more public transit. Especially in places where deaths are common: Cities. If you look at any stats, pedestrian deaths are all in populous cities. The US has 908 cars per 1000 people, none of Europe cracks 750. We're not gonna get into the race of it but "It is well documented that people of color are overrepresented in pedestrian fatalities." according to GHSA.

                [...]
                I wouldn't be bothered by a dude open-carrying a Barrett either but I'd find it strange if I saw twenty people doing it every day

                Unfortunately for you, it's a supposedly free country. So feel free to find it strange.

                >Most station wagons can't haul shit either.
                Anything my hatchback can't fit is something I can get delivered for free. If I'm moving, I just rent a U-Haul.

                That's a choice you make, people make difference choices. Personally, anything that doesn't fit in my corolla I get my wagon, anything that doesn't fit my wagon get my minivan, anything that doesn't fit the van I get the little truck, doesn't fit the little truck I get the 3500. And if I'm not hauling anything at all I cruise in my mustang. It's usually cheaper for me to pick stuff up than have it delivered and I pay nothing for insurance or gas because of business while a uhaul costs north of a 100 bucks a trip.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So you'd rather have dimmer headlights?
                yes but no. night automotive lighting is a complicated topic, real distance seeing is achieved through very careful beamshaping and not just brightness. too much lux projected on the road close to you *will* destroy your ability to see further, and so on
                >Unfortunately for you, it's a supposedly free country. So feel free to find it strange.
                I mean, yeah, but you really don't see anything wrong at all with the Glock 19 being replaced by an M240 as the best-selling national carry pistol? you don't have any urge to wonder if that's not driven by some legal quirk or some billionaire's marketing dollars, or just the whims of social forces?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yes but no. night automotive lighting is a complicated topic
                I agree, in all honesty my city is properly lit so if I'm driving a car without automatic headlights i often don't even notice. My glass yellow mazda 929 head lights are usefully more brighter than my newer corollas headlights because LEDs are more focused, which is the main issue not the flat out brightness. I don't know why there's isn't research into "better" lightning not flat out brighter.
                >you don't have any urge to wonder if that's not driven by some legal quirk or some billionaire's marketing dollars,
                Even in your example the glock is popular because of marketing and social forces. You can't change what people "want". People want trucks because they're tied to the "American dream". 50 years ago we had massive sedans and wagon for the same exact reason, those sedans could carry a family of 5 comfortably, tow your weekend world trailer, boat or camper, and had a big v8 to overtake on the highway. The concept hasn't changed it's not that radical. And yes they where massive, my 929 is only 2ft shorter than my Dakota. people want big car big engine at least in the US. 10 years ago a subcompact had at minimum a 2 liter, the smallest engine was a corolla i think with a 1.8. In the rest of the world the 1.8 is called the "Grande" cos it's the biggest one. The other thing is women, women are shorter on average and a larger car compensates for that. Also the whole safety arms war. Here's the thing men still buy big sedans with the right conditions, all the luxury brands are still big sedans, but you can't afford that a truck is much cheaper and comes with just as much.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So you'd rather have dimmer headlights?
                Yes, because current headlights blind you. They are too bright. There is a sweet spot between too dim and too bright where you keep your night vision but

                The human factors you're claiming are constant. They have always been a factor. If anything, roads should be safer at night now than 10 or 20 years ago because more cities have been building pedestrian infrastructure, yet pedestrian deaths are trending upwards. What's changed? Brighter headlights, drivers driving more recklessly especially in the sunbelt states, to name a couple.

                >And yet the stats don't show that, 46.1% are cars
                That's pedestrian deaths, the line you quoted referred to total road deaths overall. An F-150 or Denali hitting a Camry is going to do more damage than Tacoma hitting the same, and the Tacoma will do more damage than another Camry hitting the same.

                >There is no substantial bump in truck suv or van deaths if adjusted for population
                US road deaths are up around 50% per capita as shown in the chart above, along with SUVs and trucks becoming more prevalent than cars as personal vehicles.

                >You don't need any special license to drive an RV for example or a 26ft uhaul.
                I'm aware, but honestly there should be.

                >They have fewer drivers and more public transit
                France and Japan both drive about half the miles per capita that we do in the US, and France has a comparable car ownership rate to the US. If we were to say road deaths are solely a function of VMT per capita and halve US VMT to normalize it, our road death rate per capita still exceeds theirs by roughly double for France and triple for Japan. Glad you agree though that the US desperately needs to build more public transit.

                >Personally, anything that doesn't fit in my corolla
                Good for you that you inherited a bunch of cars. I'm not paying the autoisraelite to maintain my own fleet for every specific need I have, I have far better uses for that money.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes, because current headlights blind you. They are too bright.
                I think it's more beam dispersion, my off-road rigs have multiple types of lights because spot beams work where flood doesn't and flood works where spot doesn't. There's no 1 answer here.

                >What's changed? Brighter headlights, drivers driving more recklessly especially in the sunbelt states, to name a couple.
                Well there you go, type of vehicle isn't the only factor is it? Delivery is also a lot more common now than ever as well which probably hasn't helped, someone driving for work 12 hours in the city isn't gonna be the most aware.

                >referred to total road deaths overall
                That's again a multifaceted issue. Pedestrians who are 150lb vs 5tons deaths aren't substantially different, why are car deaths substantially different? It's hard to have an apples to apples comparison most cars on the road aren't new with the latest safety standards so if we're talking that yes it's mass vs mass, but a brand new camry and an old K2500 i wouldn't wanna be in the truck, I'd probably bludgeon my head on the steering wheel.

                >US road deaths are up around 50% per capita
                Do you have evidence of a link between type of vehicle and road deaths? I've found none. Road deaths are up, but i haven't found any research pointing to a smoking guns. According to Wikipedia in 1990 there where 44,599 deaths and in 2022 there where 42,795. 2011 was the best year at 32479 so best year to 2022 is a 24% increase not 50%, 2011 is well into the SUV/truck craze btw that started in the 90s. Can't find US stats here's Canadian though: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=2010000201&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2010&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2023&referencePeriods=20100101%2C20230101 goes back to 2010 but it's overall trend.

                >France and Japan both drive about half the mile
                There you go another reason.
                >France has a comparable car ownership rate
                Does it? It's 668 cars/1000 compared to US.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There's no 1 answer here.
                I agree it's multifaceted, but it doesn't change that lights today are far brighter than they used to be, and that's a large part of the problem. For example, GMC recalled hundreds of thousands of SUVs because their headlights were blinding drivers in oncoming lanes https://www.wate.com/news/general-motors-recalling-740k-suvs-due-to-overly-bright-headlights/

                >type of vehicle isn't the only factor is it?
                You're being disingenuous, quoting my response regarding nighttime pedestrian death increases and taking it to apply to all road deaths. No, vehicle size is not the only contributor to increasing overall road deaths in the US. But it is a major contributor since fleet size has shifted to favor larger vehicles over the past decade.

                >but a brand new camry and an old K2500 i wouldn't wanna be in the truck, I'd probably bludgeon my head on the steering wheel.
                You might bludgeon your head on the steering wheel, but you still outweight the camry by half a ton to a ton depending on model/trim, you're still going crush the camry.

                >Do you have evidence of a link between type of vehicle and road deaths?
                In the early 2010s cars were still the predominant personal vehicle type on US roads. That gradually shifted to trucks and SUVs over the next decade. This is documented. Hell, your own link shows how the shift happened. It takes years for sales to shift the overall fleet balance, and in 2010-12 you're still feeling the effects of the '07-08 financial crisis, when dealers sold mostly compact cars and couldn't even give away SUVs or trucks. Increasing truck/SUV sales and decreasing car sales flipped the fleet balance in the late 2010s.

                >There you go another reason.
                Which is why you control for it numbnuts. All else being equal, if a population drives twice as many miles they'll have twice as many accidents. So if you control for VMT per capita and you still see a such a large discrepancy in road death rates, then VMT is not the cause.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Does it? It's 668 cars/1000 compared to US.
                Check your wikipedia sources. Your France number is a paywalled article from a Gibraltar news agency. This report using data from OICA puts France at 704 per 1000 and USA at 860 per 1000 as of 2020: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
                70% to 86% is close enough that we can discard it as a reason why France has 1/3 the road death rate of the US.

                >The SUV craze hit Europe and japan too
                SUVs are in France and Japan yes, but very few are the massive vehicles the US favors. France in particular taxes them very heavily, and in Japan kei cars and sedans are still the most common vehicles by far. As another example, look at Canada. They also like SUVs, but they buy far more compact-medium sized SUVs rather than the large ones the US favors. Europe overall is similar in that regard.

                >If we were to say road deaths are solely a function of VMT per capita
                But it isn't, you can make your stats say anything if you make the right assumption. The SUV craze hit Europe and japan too. There's obviously more than a single factor at play. Do you have any data overall on what actually effects road deaths? Because it's not just type of cars, SUV/truck craze started in the 90s. it's not just cars/capita because Mississippi has the most car deaths and they're only 42 in cars/capita. It's not literal number of cars cos California has 31 million and comfortably average 12.9 death rate. So what is it actually?

                >Glad you agree though that the US desperately needs to build more public transit
                The US desperately needs better people. I used to travel for work everywhere else just has better people. I'm not American btw, but every time I've used US transit I've been disgusted, feared for my wellbeing or annoyed. Fix that first.

                >Good for you that you inherited a bunch of cars. I'm not paying the autoisraelite to maintain my own fleet for every specific need I have, I have far better uses for that money.
                Lmao it's always poorgay seething all along. Just say you can't afford it and move on.

                >it's not just type of cars
                Nobody ever said vehicle size was the sole cause. It is a contributing factor however, coupled with lack of traffic enforcement and reckless driving habits in the US. An inattentive driver in an F-150 is going to do more damage in a crash than compact SUV or a sedan.

                >it's not just cars/capita because Mississippi has the most car deaths
                I've already addressed this, people in sunbelt states tend to drive faster and more recklessly than elsewhere in the US

                >So you'd rather have dimmer headlights?
                Yes, because current headlights blind you. They are too bright. There is a sweet spot between too dim and too bright where you keep your night vision but

                The human factors you're claiming are constant. They have always been a factor. If anything, roads should be safer at night now than 10 or 20 years ago because more cities have been building pedestrian infrastructure, yet pedestrian deaths are trending upwards. What's changed? Brighter headlights, drivers driving more recklessly especially in the sunbelt states, to name a couple.

                >And yet the stats don't show that, 46.1% are cars
                That's pedestrian deaths, the line you quoted referred to total road deaths overall. An F-150 or Denali hitting a Camry is going to do more damage than Tacoma hitting the same, and the Tacoma will do more damage than another Camry hitting the same.

                >There is no substantial bump in truck suv or van deaths if adjusted for population
                US road deaths are up around 50% per capita as shown in the chart above, along with SUVs and trucks becoming more prevalent than cars as personal vehicles.

                >You don't need any special license to drive an RV for example or a 26ft uhaul.
                I'm aware, but honestly there should be.

                >They have fewer drivers and more public transit
                France and Japan both drive about half the miles per capita that we do in the US, and France has a comparable car ownership rate to the US. If we were to say road deaths are solely a function of VMT per capita and halve US VMT to normalize it, our road death rate per capita still exceeds theirs by roughly double for France and triple for Japan. Glad you agree though that the US desperately needs to build more public transit.

                >Personally, anything that doesn't fit in my corolla
                Good for you that you inherited a bunch of cars. I'm not paying the autoisraelite to maintain my own fleet for every specific need I have, I have far better uses for that money.

                If those drivers were in smaller vehicles, they'd be killing less people simply because there's less force involved in the crash. This is basic physics, yes it really is that simple.

                >Lmao it's always poorgay seething all along
                >I'm not American btw
                lmao. Guarantee I make more money than you do. I own one (1) fully paid off car plus my own home, I could afford more cars but cars aren't my hobby so why waste the money? So I can move a couch once every 5 years? Frick off Black person.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There's no 1 answer here.
                I agree it's multifaceted, but it doesn't change that lights today are far brighter than they used to be, and that's a large part of the problem. For example, GMC recalled hundreds of thousands of SUVs because their headlights were blinding drivers in oncoming lanes https://www.wate.com/news/general-motors-recalling-740k-suvs-due-to-overly-bright-headlights/

                >type of vehicle isn't the only factor is it?
                You're being disingenuous, quoting my response regarding nighttime pedestrian death increases and taking it to apply to all road deaths. No, vehicle size is not the only contributor to increasing overall road deaths in the US. But it is a major contributor since fleet size has shifted to favor larger vehicles over the past decade.

                >but a brand new camry and an old K2500 i wouldn't wanna be in the truck, I'd probably bludgeon my head on the steering wheel.
                You might bludgeon your head on the steering wheel, but you still outweight the camry by half a ton to a ton depending on model/trim, you're still going crush the camry.

                >Do you have evidence of a link between type of vehicle and road deaths?
                In the early 2010s cars were still the predominant personal vehicle type on US roads. That gradually shifted to trucks and SUVs over the next decade. This is documented. Hell, your own link shows how the shift happened. It takes years for sales to shift the overall fleet balance, and in 2010-12 you're still feeling the effects of the '07-08 financial crisis, when dealers sold mostly compact cars and couldn't even give away SUVs or trucks. Increasing truck/SUV sales and decreasing car sales flipped the fleet balance in the late 2010s.

                >There you go another reason.
                Which is why you control for it numbnuts. All else being equal, if a population drives twice as many miles they'll have twice as many accidents. So if you control for VMT per capita and you still see a such a large discrepancy in road death rates, then VMT is not the cause.

                it's both beam dispersion and total brightness. total brightness (especially high lux in the primary beam lobe) washes out lesser stray brightness above the cutoff that means you cannot detect when you have dazzling light outside of the mainlobe even if you're looking at it on a perfect white wall. further, automakers have literally no incentive to correctly adjust/aim their headlamps from the factory past the day the IIHS tests an example of their cars for the safety rating. I've seen a brand new Lexus come off the lot with the low beam cutoff aimed at least 3 degrees above horizontal, which effectively means everybody ever is getting highbeamed, including squirrels in the fricking trees
                further, almost nobody gives a frick about headlamp aiming. nobody talks about it as part of the process of evaluating a new car, nobody talks about it as part of maintenance except for in instructions for replacing a lamp assembly, and if you ask the average driver about it you may as well have spoken Chinese

                >Does it? It's 668 cars/1000 compared to US.
                Check your wikipedia sources. Your France number is a paywalled article from a Gibraltar news agency. This report using data from OICA puts France at 704 per 1000 and USA at 860 per 1000 as of 2020: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
                70% to 86% is close enough that we can discard it as a reason why France has 1/3 the road death rate of the US.

                >The SUV craze hit Europe and japan too
                SUVs are in France and Japan yes, but very few are the massive vehicles the US favors. France in particular taxes them very heavily, and in Japan kei cars and sedans are still the most common vehicles by far. As another example, look at Canada. They also like SUVs, but they buy far more compact-medium sized SUVs rather than the large ones the US favors. Europe overall is similar in that regard.

                [...]
                >it's not just type of cars
                Nobody ever said vehicle size was the sole cause. It is a contributing factor however, coupled with lack of traffic enforcement and reckless driving habits in the US. An inattentive driver in an F-150 is going to do more damage in a crash than compact SUV or a sedan.

                >it's not just cars/capita because Mississippi has the most car deaths
                I've already addressed this, people in sunbelt states tend to drive faster and more recklessly than elsewhere in the US [...]
                If those drivers were in smaller vehicles, they'd be killing less people simply because there's less force involved in the crash. This is basic physics, yes it really is that simple.

                >Lmao it's always poorgay seething all along
                >I'm not American btw
                lmao. Guarantee I make more money than you do. I own one (1) fully paid off car plus my own home, I could afford more cars but cars aren't my hobby so why waste the money? So I can move a couch once every 5 years? Frick off Black person.

                >very few are the massive vehicles the US favors
                the typical crossover outside of the USA are "subcompact" crossovers which weigh around 700 to 1100 pounds less than a Corolla, and if anything look like slightly lifted Ford Fiestas. the typical crossover in the USA is something like the RAV4 "compact" crossover, which can weigh between 1000 to 1500 pounds more. the Kia Telluride and Hyundai Palisade topped sales charts in the year that they were launched; their dealerships could not keep them in stock, and cities rapidly became full of them, and these weigh a full ton or more than the global subcompacts.
                another confounding factor: the typical USDM automobile is powered by a turbocharged or large-displacement naturally aspirated engine linked to an automatic transmission. small-displacement motors and manual transmissions remain very common globally.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If we were to say road deaths are solely a function of VMT per capita
                But it isn't, you can make your stats say anything if you make the right assumption. The SUV craze hit Europe and japan too. There's obviously more than a single factor at play. Do you have any data overall on what actually effects road deaths? Because it's not just type of cars, SUV/truck craze started in the 90s. it's not just cars/capita because Mississippi has the most car deaths and they're only 42 in cars/capita. It's not literal number of cars cos California has 31 million and comfortably average 12.9 death rate. So what is it actually?

                >Glad you agree though that the US desperately needs to build more public transit
                The US desperately needs better people. I used to travel for work everywhere else just has better people. I'm not American btw, but every time I've used US transit I've been disgusted, feared for my wellbeing or annoyed. Fix that first.

                >Good for you that you inherited a bunch of cars. I'm not paying the autoisraelite to maintain my own fleet for every specific need I have, I have far better uses for that money.
                Lmao it's always poorgay seething all along. Just say you can't afford it and move on.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree that the US simply has lower quality people but this is also sorting bias; public transit is dogshit in the US so the only people using it are the poor, desperate, and stupid
                there's a similar effect for bikers; there is frick all bike infrastructure in the US, so the only people that bike are the poor, daring, and stupid, because only those people are willing to bike in areas where doing so is highly likely to kill you (and that's why they're consistently dickheads)
                in the Netherlands everyone bikes, so the average biker is a normal person; in Japan everyone takes transit, so the average rider is a normal person
                if the only car available in the USA was a 3rd gen Nissan Altima and all other transport was heavenly, only Black folk would drive. this doesn't mean we have to get rid of the Black folk before we build more roads and legalize more cars

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's with the recent push from silli billies to ban Trucks of all things?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The average F150 driver is a moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason lefties hate the AR: it's popular with white men.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is extremely dangerous to allow the common man to have equipment like trucks, generators, firearms, etc. The goal is to reduce the surface area of the world that YOU are able to change.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they actually started to appear on European roads and most people find them ridiculous. It used to be a funny American folklore from TV shows but morons started importing them causing pushback from everyone else.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it costs 70k and hauls less than a stationwagon it ain't a truck, it's a goddamn golf trophy.

      There is a 1:1 correlation of people who buy those vehicles and pederasts.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who keeps telling all of these kids to play in traffic

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Truck owners are cancer. 90% of them have no legitimate need for a truck but drive them to reclaim their fading masculinity or because they are too obese to drive a normally sized vehicle.

    Anyone who drives a truck and doesn't have items in the bed at least 50% of the time is a little dicked homosexual who doesn't work for a living and doesn't deserve your respect.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tiny dicked
      as in a clitoris? women love big vehicles, makes them feel safe.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >women love big vehicles, makes them feel safe
        Suddenly SUVs and trucks make so much more sense.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just a result of the natural arms race absent government regulation to prevent it.
        >my family is safer inside a bigger SUV
        >I'll buy the bigger SUV to protect my family
        >whoopsies, sorry I turned your family into hamburger helper because I looked at my phone for 2 secs, teehee

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >My family is safe and yours is hamburger
          Sounds good to me.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            real

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t care about trucks, but the death of the classic midsizes for these abomination lardmobiles that require a new mortgage to get is a travesty.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What exactly was the regulation/loophole that is behind the massive scale of these vehicles? It was some kind of emissions thing right?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda. The US has a "gaz guzzler tax" on large cars. The idea was meant to discourage people from buying larger vehicles than they needed. But it applied only to CARS, and not trucks. That created the explosion of high-end luxury SUVs. Let's say you had a bunch of money and you wanted to buy a big fancy vehicle: if you bought a big car then a bunch of that money would disappear into taxes but if you bought a fancypants truck instead then you avoided said tax and you could get more for your money.
      The big SUVs and trucks exist because some people actually need a big truck for towing. Most vehicles built on those platforms are commercial vehicles, service trucks, mini buses, etc, but some get nicer trim put in them and sold as SUVs.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        CAFE was a fricking mistake. Losing the venerable midsized market to bloated car framed SUVs is painful.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, agreed. Legal shenanigans has created lots of problems with the car industry in one way or another. One that bugs me is the crash safety standards. Obviously improving crash safety is good, but it is also limiting. The US would absolutely love Japanese "Kei Cars" if only they were legal here. They're cheap, they get amazing mileage, they're ideally suited to short trips. Even though they are not road legal in the US they are still very popular to import for off-road uses, like farmers, people with big rural properties, maintenance vehicles for country clubs, apartment buildings, warehouses, etc. It would be fantastic to have those as an option on the road, and they're no more dangerous than a motorcycle.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We’re seeing some headway for a “family truck”/ute style vehicle. The Maverick seems pretty popular as a work and family vehicle, the Santa Cruz also provides AWD, 4 doors, and a bed, Subaru seems like they’re going to be forced to bring back the BRAT or Baja or even both at this rate despite their autistic determination to kill off that market so they can better market station wagons to socks and sandal wearing soibois, flannel wearing dykes, and Seattle trannies. Toyota Hilux is only one chicken conspiracy away from the American markets. The El Camino seems doomed though. GM needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt at this point. Add in the Frontier, Colorado/Canyon, Ranger, and ever present Tacoma, and you have a large and growing market of light trucks to choose from. The problem is price and availability more than anything. I’m lucky in that I have a beat to shit old F150 paid off for random chores and hunting as well as my turbo gayged Santa Fe dad SUV. Not everyone has the space or cash to swing that though.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a loophole, it's just that there is no regulation limiting the size. CAFE standards are partially to blame, since "light trucks" were exempted from the more stringent fuel economy requirements that applied to cars. This limits the size and power of car models, which happens to also limit the profit manufacturers could get from them. An F-150 is only marginally more expensive for Ford to manufacture than a Focus, but they can sell a Raptor for $80k and a base model for $40k while a Focus topped out around $20k. There's a reason Ford is still selling F-150s but no longer making the Focus.

      [...]
      [...]
      Wait, so are trucks moving or not? if they are, kids are fricked anyway, if they not, implyed thing may happen with regular cars too

      Does it matter if the truck is driving on a road versus exiting a driveway? These trucks park in suburban neighborhoods all over the US. With that visibility, it's harder to see kids crossing the sidewalk at the end of the driveway, darting into the neighborhood street to get their ball, etc etc. Doesn't help either that most US drivers treat speed limits as suggestions and will drive 30-40 mph in their own subdivisions rather than the 20-25mph limit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There's a reason Ford is still selling F-150s but no longer making the Focus.
        Yeah, but it's not raptors. The F-series sells like mad because it is the most common upfitter platform and thus gets used the most often for things like ambulances, wreckers, mini-buses, service trucks, street sweepers, etc. Yeah there's a bunch of morons who drive big trucks for the image the same way people buy a Harley-Davidson to belong to a particular aesthetic, but the main driver of sales of F-series trucks is the commercial market.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Raptors are just the luxury blue collar-LARP example, but shitloads of individuals buy brand new F-150s and similar trucks from other brands without any actual need for the bed or towing ability. Hell, my dad just got a new one because literal rain got into his 5 year old F-150's electrical system and starting causing issues with it. Everywhere I look when I'm on public roads and highways there's absolutely spotless lifted crew cab pickups that have never seen a gravel road or trailer. They're basically American BMWs at this point, just status symbols to show everyone else you have money. Buying a $50k crew cab instead of an $80k raptor is still needlessly expensive for something you're only ever using to get groceries or visit family the next town over.

          >Parents should not be helicoptering them anyways, terrible for development.
          That is a game the parent can never win. If they helicopter the kid they avoid many potential problems but risk developmental issues. If they don't helicopter the kid then there is a never-ending list of potential accidents the kids might face, and no matter how many consumer protection laws exist will always continue to claim children's lives.
          >We should regulate big trucks because they allow a careless driver to more easily kill a kid if they're not watching where they are going
          can easily turn into
          >We should regulate guns that shoot far, because they allow a careless shooter to more easily kill a kid if they accidentally miss

          >>We should regulate big trucks because they allow a careless driver to more easily kill a kid if they're not watching where they are going
          >can easily turn into
          >>We should regulate guns that shoot far, because they allow a careless shooter to more easily kill a kid if they accidentally miss
          Black person, one is a constitutional right the other is not. Given how reckless drivers have gotten on US roads in the past 10 years, we desperately need stricter enforcement of traffic laws and to actually revoke people's licenses and impound their cars when they break those laws. Driving is literally the most dangerous thing people do in their daily lives in the US.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Buying a $50k crew cab instead of an $80k raptor is still needlessly expensive for something you're only ever using to get groceries or visit family the next town over.
            Totally agreed, that is very stupid. But it seems like a difficult problem to fix unless you want to start policing what people buy. How exactly do you propose to figure out when people are buying "too much" car? What about "too much" of other things? Too big a house? Too powerful a computer? What other waste do you suggest policing? Too many guns?

            >Black person, one is a constitutional right the other is not
            That's besides the point. The point is why are we blaming objects for the actions of people.

            >we desperately need stricter enforcement of traffic laws
            I have no problem with that whatsoever. But it ain't the truck's fault. It's the fault of whomever is behind the wheel.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Generally, it is the government's responsibility to regulate or tax things that have a net negative effective on society as a whole. That's why cigarettes are heavily taxed for example. Smoke if you want, but you have to pay for what you're costing society in healthcare and 2nd hand smoke. Larger vehicles are louder (noise pollution), put more chemicals and microplastics from tires into the air and water, and do more damage when they hit things. A faster computer doesn't give people asthma nor does it maim people when you look away from it for a second. Neither does a larger house.

              I don't think pickup trucks should be banned outright, but they should be regulated (along with every other vehicle sold in the US) for better occupant visibility such as requiring lower hood heights, tax registration renewals based on both vehicle curb weight and miles driven in the year to incentivize smaller vehicles and less driving overall, increase taxes in general when people purchase vehicles over a certain weight, say 4k lbs and every additional 500 lbs doubles the tax rate. Similar to what France does, or just copy their approach and charge by the kilo/pound after a certain point. Mandatory speed governors set for 85 mph would also be a good thing.

              >But it ain't the truck's fault. It's the fault of whomever is behind the wheel.
              I mean, the auto companies advertise their trucks and luxury SUVs by driving them fast and recklessly both on and off-road. More torque for better advertised 0-60 times, more horsepower for higher top speeds, even though no safe driver is gunning it from a stoplight to 60mph or driving 110 mph on an interstate. There is no safety device on the vehicle to prevent you from doing these things. They design their vehicles to be able to do those things and then directly market that to the consumer. Just because they CAN be driven safely doesn't mean they aren't inherently unsafe by design for every person not inside the vehicle.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frick you. No.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t. chainsmoker fighting the '90s indoor smoking ban

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's why cigarettes are heavily taxed for example
                It's also a bad way to do things. A better way, and just as fair, is to drop the "sin tax" on smoking entirely, and make smokers responsible for their own healthcare. You get random lung cancer? The public will help you. You get lung cancer because you smoke? You're on the hook for that.

                >A faster computer doesn't give people asthma
                It wastes energy when it operates, and it might be used for criminal purposes. A house that's too big raises wastes energy to HVAC compared to a smaller one. There's more microplastics in carpet than a big SUV. It might be used for illegal business purposes instead of being a residence. These are concerns along the same vein.

                >or better occupant visibility such as requiring lower hood heights
                But hood heights, and side-window heights just went UP because vehicles with them perform better in crash tests. Now you're talking about making the vehicles less safe to improve visibility?

                > in general when people purchase vehicles over a certain weight, say 4k lbs and every additional 500 lbs doubles the tax rate.
                So if a farmer or a contractor has an honest need for a large vehicle they're just fricked?

                > Mandatory speed governors set for 85 mph would also be a good thing.
                Yay! More points of failure! Why not just issue harsh tickets? Modern cars already have tracking capability, you could implement that without risking the throttle malfunctioning when there's kids in the street.

                > There is no safety device on the vehicle to prevent you from doing these things.
                Nor should there be. There's always unintended consequences of that kind of thing. A good example is the electronic traction control systems that many cars have. Theoretically this is supposed to improve safety by reducing skidding. But if you drive a car like that on sand, now the car thinks it is skidding out when it really isn't and the safety feature meant to help you has now gotten you stuck.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Continued...
                >Just because they CAN be driven safely doesn't mean they aren't inherently unsafe by design for every person not inside the vehicle.

                That's the insane part of your argument. Apply this to nearly anything else in the world and watch it fall apart. By this logic every camera and every cell phone in the world are inherently dangerous and should be banned because it's possible to take creepshots or CP with them. Every computer should be banned because just because it CAN be used safely to play games or browse the web it could also be a dangerous hacking or scamming tool. Every tool is dangerous because while it CAN be used to build things it can also be used as a weapon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's also a bad way to do things.
                No. Humans are terrible at weighing possible future consequences against immediate pleasure. Making things that hurt others, such as smoking, more expensive is an immediate up-front consequence that reduces use.

                >It wastes energy
                Who cares when the power comes from renewables or nuclear?

                >it might be used for criminal purposes
                You don't need a $2k rig to get into somebody's network

                >There's more microplastics in carpet than a big SUV
                But the carpet doesn't contain benzene, napthalene, or 6PPD, and carpet gets far less wear than the tires on a large vehicle. Tire wear is a function of weight, the heavier the vehicle the faster the tires wear and all that shit goes into the air and water.

                >But hood heights, and side-window heights just went UP because vehicles with them perform better in crash tests
                Because the crash tests are only concerned with occupant safety, not preventing damage to the people and things the car hits.

                >So if a farmer or a contractor has an honest need for a large vehicle they're just fricked?
                That's you saying that, not me, and if that does turn out to be a legitimate need (or even not) I'm sure the agriculture lobby will have no trouble selling it. AFAIK, US farmers fricking love japanese kei trucks for farm work though, and many contractors in my area prefer vans over trucks to keep their tools and parts inside and out of the weather. Any bulk material is delivered to the job site by the vendor.

                >Yay! More points of failure!
                Been a thing since the 1920s, it's a simple mechanical limiter less likely to fail than a geofence tracker like you're suggesting.

                >you could implement that without risking the throttle malfunctioning when there's kids in the street.
                >OH NO, KIDS IN THE STREET AND MY GOVERNOR MALFUNCTIONED! I CAN ONLY DO 35MPH INSTEAD OF 85!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > more expensive is an immediate up-front consequence that reduces use.
                Nearly everything that human beings do hurts others. Should we make everything more expensive?

                >Who cares when the power comes from renewables or nuclear?
                They aren't yet. And while renewables and nuclear are great, they aren't perfect. Waste is never a good thing.

                >You don't need a $2k rig to get into somebody's network
                Nope, but more computing power = more potential for abuse. Along similar lines, you don't need a big truck to waste gas. It's what you're doing with it that matters.

                >But the carpet doesn't contain benzene, napthalene...
                All those chemicals you listed are commonly found in building materials. There's plenty of others too.

                >Tire wear is a function of weight, the heavier the vehicle the faster the tires wear and all that shit goes into the air and water.
                Yeah, and the energy use of a home is higher with larger ones. Bigger home = more wasted energy (and more displaced wildlife).

                >Because the crash tests are only concerned with occupant safety, not preventing damage to the people and things the car hits.
                So, we have two competing standards, both of which are very important. How shall we decide which is more important?

                > AFAIK, US farmers fricking love japanese kei trucks for farm work though
                Yes, I mentioned that above. We use them for small chores, you can't haul a load of grain with one. They're great as an adjunct to larger vehicles for farm use, but they're useless on their own as a farm vehicle. Now for short-range commuter use they'd be awesome, but alas we can't have them for that purpose thanks to crash safety laws. (see the problem???)

                >>OH NO, KIDS IN THE STREET AND MY GOVERNOR MALFUNCTIONED! I
                I used to work at a Go-Kart rental place. The karts had limiters attached to the throttle cable. Quite often the result of the limiter malfunctioning was the throttle getting stuck open. Unintended consequences is the whole point here.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nearly everything that human beings do hurts others
                To the same extent as 43k deaths and millions injured each year, with the victims primarily being children and employed adults? Please, name them.

                >They aren't yet.
                Good thing the mix changes more and more to renewables every year.

                >Waste is never a good thing.
                Glad we agree no new suburbs should be developed, and instead all new construction should be highrises in downtowns and inner suburbs. Let's preserve the existing rural and greenfield land we still have.

                >Nope, but more computing power = more potential for abuse
                Anon, I really hope you understand that hacking somebody requires effort and criminal intent, while running somebody over only requires momentary inattention. You do understand the difference right?

                >All those chemicals you listed are commonly found in building materials
                Nobody's grinding at the finished building with an orbital sander every day for the rest of the building's life. Those chemicals stay within the material. Whereas tires wear every time the car is in motion, on over 200 million cars a day in the US.

                >How shall we decide which is more important?
                Probably by looking at other countries with far lower traffic fatalities per capita. Netherlands, France, Japan, all good examples. The recurring similarity is that smaller vehicles do less damage, and you don't need a large vehicle to keep yourself safe if most of the vehicles on the road are also small ones. Additionally, widespread automated enforcement of speed limits and traffic signals.

                >you can't haul a load of grain with one
                Why do you think large commercial vehicles would be taxed that way? We're talking about light trucks and SUVs in private hands being taxed.

                >a go-kart is the same as a modern car with an ECU and will fail in the exact same way
                Please tell me you aren't being serious.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree vehicle taxes and regulations should be reformed
                >Mandatory speed governors
                No

                >Nor should there be.
                There is no reason anybody should be driving over 85mph on a public road. Traction control systems aren't relevant, you can turn them off when driving off-road and having them on when off-road doesn't hurt anybody else, only you. The point is to limit the damage drivers can do to other people and property, since relying on drivers to just make good choices obviously hasn't worked.

                Continued...
                >Just because they CAN be driven safely doesn't mean they aren't inherently unsafe by design for every person not inside the vehicle.

                That's the insane part of your argument. Apply this to nearly anything else in the world and watch it fall apart. By this logic every camera and every cell phone in the world are inherently dangerous and should be banned because it's possible to take creepshots or CP with them. Every computer should be banned because just because it CAN be used safely to play games or browse the web it could also be a dangerous hacking or scamming tool. Every tool is dangerous because while it CAN be used to build things it can also be used as a weapon.

                >equating a pantyshot to running over a family in a crosswalk
                >anon can't understand different degrees of harm
                Not like I expected much else.

                >reckless drivers
                It's shitskins, just like every other "rising problem" facing the U.S.

                >muh heckin' pure white peepo
                I see as much reckless driving from suburban moms in SUVs not paying attention and white-collar dudes in vanity pickups trying to beat a light as I do latinos racing in Civics

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I see as much reckless driving from suburban moms in SUVs not paying attention and white-collar dudes in vanity pickups
                No, you don't, and also you are trans.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is the funniest thing I've read all year, thanks anon

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >being white, working to build a better society and being a good person in that society is BAD!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, it was made by the Smithsonian national Black person museum

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Judeo Christian
                This meme needs to die. israelites hate Christians and Christ may have been born a israelite, but by definition He was not, since He believed in Himself.
                Also ~~*they*~~ killed Him merely for pointing out the hypocrisy of rabbis and telling people they did not need to worship their word and pay them to avoid Hell.
                Something lost on numerous future popes.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >assumptions about whiteness
                >start family
                >learn shit
                >work hard
                >build a better future
                >don't be a dick
                >god is pretty cool
                Yes, I know, we're the "ontological good" branch of humanity.
                It's not easy, but you're welcome.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's no reason for you to publicly suck wiener on a little chinese schoolgirl cartoon imageboard but here we are

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's illegal to suck wiener on an anonymous imageboard?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it is heavily discouraged to be a gay Black person, but you do you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's illegal to exceed the speed limit, so a governor set at 85mph, the highest speed limit in the US and 10mph above most interstate speed limits shouldn't be a problem for you. After all, you're white therefore abide by the law, right?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A white man follows the law when prudent.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                .
                bugmen have an extremely hard time understanding this subtle difference

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no reason anybody should be driving over 85mph on a public road.
                Agreed. Now what if I want to drive my car that fast on a race track. We now need some method of turning the limiter on and off. That's a problem.

                >Traction control systems aren't relevant, you can turn them off when driving off-road
                You say that, yet there is tons of video evidence on youtube and elsewhere of professional two truck drivers cursing this exact problem. I a way, I suppose the two truck drivers should be thankful because this is creating business for them. The point is not whom traction control systems harm. The point is the unintended consequence that designer of the traction control system didn't expect. I'm wondering about the unintended consequences of speed limiters that you didn't expect.

                >The point is to limit the damage drivers can do to other people and property
                It cannot be done effectively without worse unintended consequences.

                >>anon can't understand different degrees of harm
                Anon, I'm talking full-on CP, not creepshots. It's hard to imagine much more harm than that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We now need some method of turning the limiter on and off
                Geofencing signal or a diagnostic port plug to turn it off in the ECU. Done.

                >The point is the unintended consequence that designer of the traction control system didn't expect
                Who says they didn't expect it? The tradeoff is clear. Everyone is more likely to retain control in bad weather with less crashes as a result, but they might get stuck if they're in the .001% of the population that drives on the beach. You're making the same argument as the idiots fighting seatbelt laws with the hypothetical that it might trap them in the car if they drive off a bridge.

                >It cannot be done effectively without worse unintended consequences.
                >t. anon
                You're aware speed limiters are already in place on vehicles on the road RIGHT NOW right? Many commercial trucks already have governors on their vehicles. Some cities and utility companies do as well. This isn't new unproven technology.

                >Anon, I'm talking full-on CP, not creepshots. It's hard to imagine much more harm than that.
                Which once again requires willful criminal intent you mongoloid. Unless you're telling me slipping on a freshly mopped floor, turning on your camera phone and just perfectly capturing your dick sliding into underage vag is somehow a common occurrence.

                Reminder to the shitlibs complaining about trucks being too big: you did this. We could have had smaller pickups that were sanely lifted and not these abominations if you didn't cry for the government to regulate shit.

                These abominations are literally a result of lack of regulation.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/s1sMhDW.jpeg

                the frick are you talking about. How the frick did regulations produce these gigantic truck monstrosities?

                CAFE regulations.
                >Fuel economy regulations were first introduced in 1978, only for passenger vehicles. NHTSA kept CAFE standards for cars the same from 1985 to 2010, except for a slight decrease in required mpg from 1986 to 1989. The next year, a second category was defined for light trucks. These were distinguished from heavy duty vehicles by a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 6000 pounds or less. The GVWR threshold was raised to 8500 pounds in 1980 and has remained at that level through 2010. Thus certain large trucks and SUV's were exempt, such as the Hummer and the Ford Excursion.

                The regulations have been amended, but the "slippery slope" was set into motion
                Auto makers assume a customer will not want to "downsize" when they buy a new truck or SUV, so the march has always been towards bigger. Also makes crash test ratings go up.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes anon, I know what CAFE is. I'm telling you the lack of regulation for light trucks is what caused this. It was not the creation of fuel economy standards for cars, it was lack of the same for trucks. The Gas Guzzler Tax for example only applied to cars, not trucks, and CAFE standards for light truck MPG has remained so low as to be a non-factor.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I would argue that the loophole in the legislation still means that the legislation was the cause.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then you have a faulty argument, because crash ratings naturally being better when you have a larger vehicle coupled with no real upper limit on physical size means you still get the fatter and fatter cars and trucks as they try to get higher crash safety ratings. Only difference is now cars are even fatter than they currently are.

                https://i.imgur.com/OD5RinW.jpeg

                >CAFE standards for light truck MPG has remained so low as to be a non-factor.
                Currently it's at 37.5 MPG for light trucks and it will be 39.3 mpg in 2025.

                CAFE applies to the fleet overall, not each individual model in the fleet, and companies can simply decide to pay a fine instead, which multiple companies do.

                https://i.imgur.com/uyQvRAV.jpeg

                Do you know what's it like to be an elderly obese fricker getting in and out of a low car?
                It's fricking painful and your knees might explode at any moment.
                And since boomers are retiring and the obesity epidemic still on the rise, it's a growing problem.
                So having a taller car is the solution.
                The taller the car, the less pain and bending your knees will put up with.

                Hence the popularity of tall cars.

                It's not any better trying to climb up or down from one of these massive new trucks

                https://i.imgur.com/DKdOFG1.jpeg

                It's funny that people try to compare these vehicles by posting similar wheelbase and width specs, but one is clearly smaller and more useful than the other.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >CAFE applies to the fleet overall, not each individual model in the fleet
                Pretty irrelevant considering that anything below the standard would need a light truck performing substantially above the standard. The maverick hybrid gets 37 mpg which is still below the standard and will continue to drop farther below every year due to CAFE's scaling nature.
                >b-but they could pay fines
                Why bother when you can make a full size truck like the F150 that sells like hotcakes.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the point anon, the regulation is toothless, as shown by Ford ending sedan production to only sell trucks and SUVs. Doing so makes them more money despite the fine than complying by offering higher MPG vehicles.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're so fricking stupid it hurts.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >CAFE standards for light truck MPG has remained so low as to be a non-factor.
                Currently it's at 37.5 MPG for light trucks and it will be 39.3 mpg in 2025.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I personally support more mass transit systems specifically so wienersuckers like you stop fricking up cars even more with your basedboy bullshit. Germany and the Autobahn is the perfect example of how to go about this.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no reason anybody should be driving over 85mph on a public road.

                There is no reason anybody should be driving over 80mph on a public road

                There is no reason anybody should be driving over 75 mph

                There is no reason...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dumb fricking Black person who doesn't understand how the world works
                >muh sin tax
                We do that because it costs society more in the long run to just let you Black folk die. It's not just healthcare, it's deathcare, it's everything associated with taking you out of the existing systems, and it's the lost productivity of an otherwise perfectly good worker dying potentially decades before they would have retired.
                >muh strawmans
                I'll run through this quickly: Energy use (outside of the states of Texas and California, the two states with the lowest collective IQ) is largely a nonissue in any civilized 1st world country, because we have nuclear power, which largely satisfies any power demand a 1st world country might have.
                >muh hood heights
                Across the pond in commieland they've figured out how to have both lower hood heights AND better crash performance. I sure hope you're not insinuating that we're dumber than the fricking commies.
                >Muh farmers/contractors
                A farmer can apply for a commercial license, as can a contractor. But neither of those people are going to be using the F-frick-50 super-duper-duty, they're going to be using the actually practical midsize offerings that have the same power with larger bed space and better fuel efficiency. Banning the larger trucks that have less cargo floorspace than a fricking stationwagon will make things even cheaper for them.
                > much speed governors
                We use them on much larger, much harder to stop commercial long-haul trucks. No reason they wouldn't work here. But that entire point from the first guy is bullshit anyway because the danger with these trucks isn't at highway speeds
                > muh traction control
                ...SO THEN DISABLE THE TRACTION CONTROL ON SANDY SURFACES YOU DUMB FRICKING Black person

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But neither of those people are going to be using the F-frick-50 super-duper-duty, they're going to be using the actually practical midsize offerings
                Those are just about the only people I actually see getting some use out of the things. They probably don't have to be designed to be quite that dumbass big for what they do and the gigacab looks like a huge meme, but being able to transport people along with the shit you're hauling has obvious uses for a work truck.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they have legitimate uses, nobody is denying that. lots of people in rural and farming communities can make great use of medium-duty trucks like this. the real problem is that the truck situation is not like it was in the 80s, where only the people actually using them owned them; now every moron who wants to socially signal his manhood owns what was effectively a Class 6 truck and does nothing with it but polish it. "full-size" trucks are the most sold category of vehicle in the USA. it used to be cars that are about the same size as today's Corolla (actually a little smaller and about 1000 pounds lighter).
                it would be as if 10% of CCP holders suddenly decided that it would be really cool actually to open carry M240s and Barrett M82s and absolutely nobody had any explanation for it. every other day you watch some fricking moron shatter a glass storefront because his .50 cal was slung sideways and he wasn't paying attention while walking through the doors. you have to dodge barrels on a regular basis and about once a month you hear in the news that someone's machine gun went runaway in public because open bolt. and everyone you see carrying them is exactly the wrong sort of person: angry at the world, skinhead, arrogant, rude, and sometimes a Black person.
                nothing is wrong with trucks. it's the obsession with them that's weird, puzzling, and is having outsized negative effects on American (and Canadian) society.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                forgot: I should point out that due to trucks having 15+ years of history being a social status symbol instead of an actual work vehicle, now they've evolved into bloated, pug-nosed, weirdly-proportioned creatures that are significantly less useful for purpose, so there's almost no analogy since very few guns have gone through that sort of process. perhaps .50 cal rifles with increasingly longer barrel lengths, like up to 40" now, and machine guns and large rifles with unnecessarily enormous handguards. everything looks like a bloated boxy sci-fi gun now, like WH40K lasrifles, and weigh double what they used to. none of these people ever show up to the range, or they do once a year simply so that can say they did.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is nothing less useful about a modern truck that can tow more, haul more, has better mileage, more range. You can kvetch about how machine guns should be banned or whatever you are doing but don't try to change the facts

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                an M240 is heavier, larger, has longer range, fires faster, fires faster over a longer period (heavier barrel), hits harder, and is significantly better at suppressing infantry formations and penetrating light and medium cover than a Glock 19.
                but it would be weird to carry one literally every day, much less have 8% of the population doing so.
                none of the above is a reason to ban them (more like a reason absolutely everyone should be open to own them). don't invent motivations in your own head.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah so modern trucks are more useful, glad we can get that squared away. Were you waiting all day for someone to reply to you? 4 minute turn around for a reply to a post 10 hours ago. Hopefully tomorrow is more productive for you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm reading in another tab and have auto-refresh checked, get over yourself
                of course they're more useful, for a definition of useful that involves a person suppressing an infantry platoon on a regular basis. it's just that you can do most of that job with an a 6 lb 9 oz M16A1, and really the average person doesn't typically get mobbed by an infantry platoon that often and a Glock 19 will usually do.
                I said they're "less useful for purpose" because guess what: the modern truck is essentially a Class 6 medium duty truck compared to what existed when trucks were almost exclusively owned by farmers (whose trucks then may as well be utes today), the same farmers that today are b***hing constantly about how they can't find an inexpensive piece of shit light duty truck to beat on.
                if you want to actually contest that point, you will have to find a way to deny to me that these people exist, and that the prices of older smaller trucks aren't rising at an expeditious rate.
                you will have to tell me that you unironically find carrying an M240 on the daily is far more convenient and painless than a Glock 19.
                fricking obviously today's trucks do more and are more capable. the question is whether the excess capability is necessary for daily tasks, so long as what counts as a daily task for you isn't hauling a fricking horse trailer or RV.
                again, you find yourself inventing motivations on my behalf and arguing things I haven't said.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Two non-answer walls of text in a row.
                Have a good one!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i didnt read so its a non answer
                literally what is your point

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree vehicle taxes and regulations should be reformed
                >Mandatory speed governors
                No

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Go frick yourself.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frick me yourself coward

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frick me yourself coward

                ill frick both of you at the same time, homosexuals

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A faster computer doesn't give people asthma nor does it maim people when you look away from it for a second.

                A faster computer could absolutely maim someone if you aren't paying attention to it as it is more likely to overheat and cause a fire.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The thing is, you can choose to not shoot a gun into a crowd of people. If you've got your Super Duty parked in your driveway, and in-between getting in the vehicle and pulling away a neighborhood kid crosses in front, you physically cannot see them. These accidents aren't happening at speed on streets, they're happening in driveways because it doesn't matter what speed the collision happens at when one side is a 10 lb child and the other side is a 10 ton truck.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bus and train Black folk are always darky pinko scum and they smell like piss. I’m not giving my tax dollars to them.

            >guy driving big truck
            >the bed is empty but he's towing a small trailer
            I do not understand this. Unless you're renting power equipment that comes with its own trailer, or it's a boat you need to launch from a ramp, WTF is the point of a tiny trailer when you have the truck bed available?

            Extra space. Honestly I do it all the time. I’ll load a bunch of trash or bullshit into my utility trailer over the course of like six months then just hook the fricker up to my truck and take it to the dump.

            Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's all disingenuously scaled so Karen's can shreik and scream about your heckin truckerino is the same size as a tank! When in reality that's not remotely true

            >Think of the children
            Is the biggest bullshit red flag justification for banning any type of anything.

            Generally, it is the government's responsibility to regulate or tax things that have a net negative effective on society as a whole. That's why cigarettes are heavily taxed for example. Smoke if you want, but you have to pay for what you're costing society in healthcare and 2nd hand smoke. Larger vehicles are louder (noise pollution), put more chemicals and microplastics from tires into the air and water, and do more damage when they hit things. A faster computer doesn't give people asthma nor does it maim people when you look away from it for a second. Neither does a larger house.

            I don't think pickup trucks should be banned outright, but they should be regulated (along with every other vehicle sold in the US) for better occupant visibility such as requiring lower hood heights, tax registration renewals based on both vehicle curb weight and miles driven in the year to incentivize smaller vehicles and less driving overall, increase taxes in general when people purchase vehicles over a certain weight, say 4k lbs and every additional 500 lbs doubles the tax rate. Similar to what France does, or just copy their approach and charge by the kilo/pound after a certain point. Mandatory speed governors set for 85 mph would also be a good thing.

            >But it ain't the truck's fault. It's the fault of whomever is behind the wheel.
            I mean, the auto companies advertise their trucks and luxury SUVs by driving them fast and recklessly both on and off-road. More torque for better advertised 0-60 times, more horsepower for higher top speeds, even though no safe driver is gunning it from a stoplight to 60mph or driving 110 mph on an interstate. There is no safety device on the vehicle to prevent you from doing these things. They design their vehicles to be able to do those things and then directly market that to the consumer. Just because they CAN be driven safely doesn't mean they aren't inherently unsafe by design for every person not inside the vehicle.

            >Copy France
            No. Frick no.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah frick you. Trains built this damn country, if you don't like it then do the world a favor and take a nap on the nearest CSX right-of-way.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >reckless drivers
            It's shitskins, just like every other "rising problem" facing the U.S.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Driving is literally the most dangerous thing people do in their daily lives in the US.

            Misleading language. driving is very safe, it's just that everything is also very safe.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Misleading language. driving is very safe, it's just that everything is also very safe.
              What else injures 1% of the US population every year?

              >A faster computer doesn't give people asthma nor does it maim people when you look away from it for a second.

              A faster computer could absolutely maim someone if you aren't paying attention to it as it is more likely to overheat and cause a fire.

              >A faster computer could absolutely maim someone if you aren't paying attention to it as it is more likely to overheat and cause a fire
              Only if it's incorrectly assembled or hasn't been maintained. Then you still have the additional safeties of sprinklers, smoke detectors, and firewalls. Conversely a vehicle in perfect working order can paste somebody else just because the driver looked away from the road for a second. Unless you're on a separated interstate, most roads have no separation beyond a tiny curb between car lanes and sidewalks.

              >There is no reason anybody should be driving over 85mph on a public road.

              There is no reason anybody should be driving over 80mph on a public road

              There is no reason anybody should be driving over 75 mph

              There is no reason...

              Legal speed limits in some areas are 80 or 85mph. Why do you want to limit speeds below the legal limit?

              Nah frick you. Trains built this damn country, if you don't like it then do the world a favor and take a nap on the nearest CSX right-of-way.

              Based

              Dumb fricking Black person who doesn't understand how the world works
              >muh sin tax
              We do that because it costs society more in the long run to just let you Black folk die. It's not just healthcare, it's deathcare, it's everything associated with taking you out of the existing systems, and it's the lost productivity of an otherwise perfectly good worker dying potentially decades before they would have retired.
              >muh strawmans
              I'll run through this quickly: Energy use (outside of the states of Texas and California, the two states with the lowest collective IQ) is largely a nonissue in any civilized 1st world country, because we have nuclear power, which largely satisfies any power demand a 1st world country might have.
              >muh hood heights
              Across the pond in commieland they've figured out how to have both lower hood heights AND better crash performance. I sure hope you're not insinuating that we're dumber than the fricking commies.
              >Muh farmers/contractors
              A farmer can apply for a commercial license, as can a contractor. But neither of those people are going to be using the F-frick-50 super-duper-duty, they're going to be using the actually practical midsize offerings that have the same power with larger bed space and better fuel efficiency. Banning the larger trucks that have less cargo floorspace than a fricking stationwagon will make things even cheaper for them.
              > much speed governors
              We use them on much larger, much harder to stop commercial long-haul trucks. No reason they wouldn't work here. But that entire point from the first guy is bullshit anyway because the danger with these trucks isn't at highway speeds
              > muh traction control
              ...SO THEN DISABLE THE TRACTION CONTROL ON SANDY SURFACES YOU DUMB FRICKING Black person

              >But that entire point from the first guy is bullshit anyway because the danger with these trucks isn't at highway speeds
              Nah, they are still dangerous at highway speeds. Ever seen an F-150 run into the back of a Camry? If you're in the Camry but not in the front seat, you're dead. Force equals Mass times Acceleration. You might still be dead in the front seat depending what the truck shoves you into.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >An F-150 is only marginally more expensive for Ford to manufacture than a Focus
        LOL
        Wow what a dumbass take I guess you've never been inside either of those cars

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's all the same tech and materials inside a 2018 Focus vs a 2018 F-150. F-150 has more wiring, more material in the chassis, and a bigger engine. That's not going to magically make the profit per vehicle worse for an F-150 over a Focus, else they'd still be making Focuses you fricking moron.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone wrangle these moronic kids off the front lines and roads?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Irrelevant, modern trucks suck because they are frick ugly and souless luxo barges. Make trucks trucks again

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I fricking hate driving

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I fricking hate these trucks. They're so huge that their headlights completely blind you at night if you drive in a regular car and if you ever get into an accident with one you're pretty much guaranteed to die because they'll avoid all crumple zones and slam the entire car straight into your head.
    They are unfortunately catching on in Europe as well now which is a disaster. I hope someone does something about it before it's too late.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being fair all new cars have 1 trillion lumen headlights now. I thought I was going to die when some fricker was on my ass for 20 miles on a busy 2 lane “highway”.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The LEDs are also too "cold". A warmer (yellower) color would be far less harsh on your eyes for the same lumens.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The LEDs are also too "cold". A warmer (yellower) color would be far less harsh on your eyes for the same lumens.

        Frick those bright ass led headlights on newer vehicles. They are brighter than incandescent high beams. I highbeam everyone who blinds me with those things. Frick them

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw you realize we will never get the peak of trucks ever again

    Affordable, practical, and sturdy. Oh, and I can actually fix them on my own instead of the overly complicated cars we have today.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot pic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Based as frick. It is a true tragedy that Hi-Luxes were never mass imported to the States.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw you realize we will never get the peak of trucks ever again

        Affordable, practical, and sturdy. Oh, and I can actually fix them on my own instead of the overly complicated cars we have today.

        My man

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >umm you HAVE to tolerate my oversized basedtruck with blinding lights

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    truggsisters on life support

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    America needs to take the ute pill

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's an alternate timeline where we're all driving El Caminos
      God I wish. I really want an HSV Maloo GTS.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Give me Brumby

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      beaners in Houston already drive drop kit chevy pickups, not far removed

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think that only white people should be allowed to drive

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      White (Conservative) Men who pay taxes.
      Same with voting.
      >No Taxation Without Representation!
      That should cut both ways.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turning trucks into luxury vehicles and status symbols has been a total disaster.
    RETVRN to C/K.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >speeding makes me a heckin' revolutionary

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope harder, commie homosexual.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>>/n/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not Wrong board?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No because they’re always b***hing about cars killing people on /n/ and that’s why bikes and trains are better

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder to the shitlibs complaining about trucks being too big: you did this. We could have had smaller pickups that were sanely lifted and not these abominations if you didn't cry for the government to regulate shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the frick are you talking about. How the frick did regulations produce these gigantic truck monstrosities?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        jacked station wagons are much cooler and practical than the vast majority of cars or even light trucks on the market.
        even cooler are the wagons with the removable back roofs to create a pseudo-pick up truck.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >buying a new truck
    Unless you own your own farm, landscaping business, are already independently wealthy ect. You seriously have to be a financially illiterate moron to do so.
    Let's do some math.
    >ferd gigafrickalator 9001
    >$75,000 price tag
    >price tags are lies after paying the interest on a 7 year loan you're in for roughly $102,000
    Most people use their truck for truck shit about ten times a year, and I'm actually being generous with that. Let's say that you rented a uhaul instead.
    >$20 day rate
    >$1 per mile (it's usually less)
    Let's say that you average 100 miles per rental and rent it for 2 days, hell I'll even make one of these a deer camp trip where you rent for 2 weeks and put a thousand miles on the sucker.
    Your bill for the year would come out $2,540 for the year compared to roughly $14,571 for the purchase of the gigafrickalator. This is before you include incidentals and increased insurance cost.
    An extra ten or twelve grand invested every year means you can retire a decade earlier, don't be this stupid bros. I don't want you to be debt cattle.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >rolling around hunting timber roads with a uhaul truck
      Lmfao. That would be so fricking tacky.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Tacky
        Fricking rednecks are all suburban queens now

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand why people love driving such tall trucks and cars.
    Don't they realize you're much more likely to kill a person that way?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't understand why people love driving such tall trucks and cars.
      I drive trucks of various sizes for a living and I don't get it either. Now don't get me wrong, there is a certain undeniable appeal in "haha big engine go vroom and pull big stuff", but everything about a bigger vehicle makes driving a bigger pain in the ass that requires more caution. If it's big enough to the point that you have to climb into the fricking thing I don't get why you want to use it as a city cruiser like 99% of truckgays.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Trucks have mirrors that allows them to see their blind spot just like buses, so what's the problem?

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be ausgay
    >see these frickimng yank-tanks are becoming an epidemic here
    >Take up 2-3 car spaces whenever they park and can never fit on the road
    >Always driven by a w*man or white trash
    I've keyed 4 of them and will never stop doing it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i just wish i could buy a falcon or commodore ute in RHD (as in steering wheel on the left because i get confused). jesus i will never forgive you fricks for killing those cars

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the reason for driving tall cars? What possible benefits does it have that outweighs all the external negatives?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you know what's it like to be an elderly obese fricker getting in and out of a low car?
      It's fricking painful and your knees might explode at any moment.
      And since boomers are retiring and the obesity epidemic still on the rise, it's a growing problem.
      So having a taller car is the solution.
      The taller the car, the less pain and bending your knees will put up with.

      Hence the popularity of tall cars.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny that people try to compare these vehicles by posting similar wheelbase and width specs, but one is clearly smaller and more useful than the other.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even from the front, the new Ranger is unnecessarily tall, but frick Ford in their stupid asses. Since 2017, the cheapest Ford vehicle went up from the $14,000 Fiesta to the $24,000 Maverick, and that's what destroying the small car is really about.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >unnecessarily tall,
        Taller = better.
        Would manlets ever learn?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >smaller
      >less towing capacity
      >less ground clearance
      >lower horsepower
      >less mpg
      >somehow more useful
      sorry bud, while I wish the old shitboxes were still made the modern ranger is a way better truck and the best bang for your buck vs a 1500 as far as the average person goes.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/7joqZ66.jpeg

      Even from the front, the new Ranger is unnecessarily tall, but frick Ford in their stupid asses. Since 2017, the cheapest Ford vehicle went up from the $14,000 Fiesta to the $24,000 Maverick, and that's what destroying the small car is really about.

      The old ranger's dogshit, you just like them cos you're poor and they where 1000 bucks and a dime bag a few years ago. Same reason you like crown vics, old C/K series trucks, miatas etc. Things become popular because they're cheap and accessible not because they're good. Sometimes they turn out to be really good, like 240s and miatas.

      This, can get a 3/4 ton now for the price of a V8 1/2 for this reason now.

      Not to mention 1/2 truck has the luxury tax while 3/4 and 1 ton trucks don't. Plus diesels.

      If it costs 70k and hauls less than a stationwagon it ain't a truck, it's a goddamn golf trophy.

      There is a 1:1 correlation of people who buy those vehicles and pederasts.

      Most station wagons can't haul shit either. The great thing about a truck is no height restriction. People get bent up about bed length but it doesn't matter as long as you have around 7-8ft with the tailgate open. My dakota only has a 5.1ft bed, so i just open the tailgate and it's not a problem. With a shorter bed it's much easier to drive in downtown, has smaller turning radius etc. My Volvo v70 is ok to haul, tons of space compared to a hatch or sedan, as long as i don't have more than 1 passenger or anything taller than 2.5ft. And added worry of damaging my interior.

      Utes make sense but they get unfeasibly long or have even smaller bed lengths the longest bed ute was only 5.1ft which is smaller than any 1/2 pickup ever, unibody vehicles have structural limits on length because the floor is part of the structure, and body on frame vehicles are always massive and heavy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Most station wagons can't haul shit either.
        Anything my hatchback can't fit is something I can get delivered for free. If I'm moving, I just rent a U-Haul.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How hard is it for kids to just stay out of the goddamn street? When I was little, my mom showed me a dead squirrel that had been run over in front of my house and she warned me that I'd end up like him if I wandered out in front of a car. Guess what? I didn't fricking go into the street, and here I am, still alive.

    It shouldn't be driver's responsibility to deal with people entering a space that is intended to be reserved for vehicles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It shouldn't be driver's responsibility to deal with people entering a space that is intended to be reserved for vehicles.
      Oh man you're gonna really trigger the walkable city cucks with that one.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not one /n/igger ITT owns guns. Actually I'll be generous and say maybe one of them might own a glock or Maverick 88 that was bought in 2020.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    /n/cels should leave and stay out

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get this thread at all. Any of those vehicles could squish those kids flat just fine. No need to make it a contest.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    /k/ - Weapons

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I saw a XBAWXHUGE burger style truck for the first time in my country a few days ago and i could not believe such clownage was possible.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I wouldn't be bothered by a dude open-carrying a Barrett either but I'd find it strange if I saw twenty people doing it every day

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any truck less than 10,000 GWVR is a toy
    If you actually need a truck for work you would get a f600 or something. Sedans are the best automobile format but CAFE ruined it

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