.308 or .300WIN

Hey Bros. Im indecisive. on one hand, the .308 comes with the bells and whistles that i want, top rail, threaded barrel, detachable magazine, etc. on the other hand, the .300WIN is a lot bigger, BUT more expensive per round and im having trouble finding one with an 18 inch barrel within my poorgay budget, around 650 bucks. Im probably going to get picrel in 308, but im still not sure. How good is the ruger american predator?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      aight.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >poorgay budget
    just get the .308 and save yourself the headache. don't go crazy with the scope either. you can save up for the .300 down the road and put a 20x+ or whatever scope on that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      thanks man! ive got a crimson trace CTS1000 im going to put on it. im wanting a "tactical" bolt action and i with a red dot im thinking at the distances ill be shooting .300 might be unnessacasry. OH, btw, im planning on taking this across country. ive been to 47 states, and we just take off and drive around. im wanting something more versatile than a shotgun for range when it comes to the mountains and the desert. and i don't want to get pulled over with an AR in the vehicle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        odd choice of putting a red dot on a bolt action but I've seen it before. although he swapped it for a cheapo $250 vortex diamondback of some kind not long after.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Get the 308. There’s a reason 99% of used 300 winmags only have 1 magazine put through them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      explain for a young fella. please. whats that mean?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Most people don’t realize how hard 300wm recoils out of a lightweight hunting rifle

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    nobody sells an 18" .300WM because that defeats the purpose of a magnum cartridge. why bring more powder if it's going to burn outside the gun?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's less of an issue than wasting powder that won't actually propel the round any further.
      Honestly, unless you're shooting at stupidly long ranges, like 600 yards+, even .308 is kind of overkill barring a need for barrier penetration.
      But frick "tactical" bolt actions, that's just kind of tryhard and just makes the gun worse to use, not better.
      I'd also recommend keeping an eye on gun.deals, an anon pointed me to it the other day and it's neat. Just keep an eye out for something you like and you'll probably save a good chunk of cash.
      Also, unless you're visiting one of the coasts, an AR wouldn't raise any eyebrows.
      Still, if precision on a budget is the goal, a bolt gun is probably a better bet than an ultra-budget AR-10 or something.

      This is stupid fudd shit.
      With a 190gr bullet, out of a 24" barrel, you get ~2890 FPS, out of an 18" barrel the same bullet will go ~2695.
      Losing only 195 FPS to cut off 6" of barrel isn't bad at all.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah that velocity matters long range moron, the muzzle blast point stands as well.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh no, the 24" barrel goes trans-sonic at 1500 yds, and the 18" barrel goes trans-sonic at 1430yds.
          What absolute garbage amirite

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I only ever shoot at 2000+ yards, so this is a major deal breaker.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        75gr of RL26 will send a 190gr VLD at 3076fps from a 26"(the actual comparative length) barrel (29%efficient)
        in an 18" barrel you will get less than 2800fps and have lost about 750 ftlbs of muzzle energy. (23% efficient)
        or you could shoot a 155gr VLD out of an 18" barrel with 40gr of reloader 10x to 2700fps (800ftlbs less than 18" 300wm) (33% efficient)
        you lose a lot of efficiency shooting a magnum rifle out of a short barrel. it's powder and case you paid for but you aren't getting anything out of. just get the .308. also for all that muzzle blast you'll have trouble finding a can rated.
        >t. guy with a 300WM.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >muzzle energy
          Lmao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Muzzle energy isn't a worthwhile metric in anything.
          But you're saying you only lose 277 fps for getting rid of 8" of barrel, and around a pound and a half of weight?
          So a 9% reduction in velocity, to get rid of 31% of barrel length.
          So whatever range you'd feel comfortable killing an animal at with the 26" barrel, just take 9% off that range, and the 18" will be just as fast (and same energy if you're a mouthbresthing moron who thinks that matters) at that new range.
          So that would mean 455 yards from the 18" rather than 500uds from the 26".
          Considering for hunting/hiking, 99.9999% of the time will be carrying, and not shooting the rifle, a shorter, lighter rifle is vastly superior.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >muzzle energy
            Lmao

            >sweats profusely not mentioning .308
            Since velocity doesn't matter, why not shoot .308?
            why didn't you do that comparison? your logic is transitive, right? you get to switch to a standard action, which shortens and lightens the gun and ammo.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >.300WM
    >18in barrel
    You don't want that. Just trust me. Get the .308

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      recoil like a mule?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's less of an issue than wasting powder that won't actually propel the round any further.
        Honestly, unless you're shooting at stupidly long ranges, like 600 yards+, even .308 is kind of overkill barring a need for barrier penetration.
        But frick "tactical" bolt actions, that's just kind of tryhard and just makes the gun worse to use, not better.
        I'd also recommend keeping an eye on gun.deals, an anon pointed me to it the other day and it's neat. Just keep an eye out for something you like and you'll probably save a good chunk of cash.
        Also, unless you're visiting one of the coasts, an AR wouldn't raise any eyebrows.
        Still, if precision on a budget is the goal, a bolt gun is probably a better bet than an ultra-budget AR-10 or something.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          planning on going into washington sadly... i live in NC by the way. thanks so much for your help. by tactical, i mean a muzzle brake, bipod, and optic. preferably, i would like irons, but it looks like its not happening, as ive heard that the Mossberg MVP is a pile.

          Most people don’t realize how hard 300wm recoils out of a lightweight hunting rifle

          oh i believe it. 7mm kicks like a bastard, and 300 is even bigger.

          https://i.imgur.com/3QTpSUs.jpeg

          odd choice of putting a red dot on a bolt action but I've seen it before. although he swapped it for a cheapo $250 vortex diamondback of some kind not long after.

          im not planning on shooting super far out, and im a pretty good shot. im 21, and i impress all the oldsters that are the gun guys i hang around. and before you say anything, no i dont listen to the boomer nonsense that they are known to spew throughout the community. these guys are cool.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            not saying a red dot on a bolt action is a bad idea. I'm planning on putting a primary arms 3x prism on a ruger american in 300blk here in a month or two. just saying you might find it too weird after a while like my friend did.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              good to know. i always liked the red dots on bolt actions in games so ill be trying that out. i have scopes if i dont like it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            are you basically just trying to build a handy bolt action that can take game out to like 400ish?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              that, and enough to put a bear down if i have to. im pretty confident, and im certain that its a better choice than a scattergat.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I've never taken or encountered bear so other anonymous please correct me, but OP your typical bear caliber is usually something fat and dense. of course 308 can do it, but it would be harder

                if you're stretching it to big animals, a 300winmag is the most versatile caliber in terms of loadings but you need something with a longer barrel to make sure you're not wasting powder

                I think the ruger American line and the savage bundles are the best entry points into bolt actions that won't break the bank. I'm kind of a Fudd though and only have glass and a sling on my rifle, no brake

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                .308 is more than fine for black bear, and has killed brown bears as well.

                going to start namegayging. i am not going to be hunting. i will be target shooting at some of the public ranges in the desert, and hiking with it.

                [...]
                going to be 2 of us. one with spray, one with the gun (me). not just for bears. people can be a problem too. i want more range than a shotgun, and im not taking a handgun across country, AND im wanting a bolt action that isnt a sporterised 91/30 with the rear sight ground off that i paid 200 bones for.

                A bolt action is garbage for defence, bear or people.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have much hunting experience, OP? If not, I would STRONGLY encourage you to always be familiar with local laws, as they'll vary even from county to county sometimes, and brush up on what to do after a kill and most importantly, where to aim.
                It may be worth noting here that most hunting shots are taken inside of 100 yards, and most of those inside of 60.

              • 1 month ago
                op

                going to start namegayging. i am not going to be hunting. i will be target shooting at some of the public ranges in the desert, and hiking with it.

                I've never taken or encountered bear so other anonymous please correct me, but OP your typical bear caliber is usually something fat and dense. of course 308 can do it, but it would be harder

                if you're stretching it to big animals, a 300winmag is the most versatile caliber in terms of loadings but you need something with a longer barrel to make sure you're not wasting powder

                I think the ruger American line and the savage bundles are the best entry points into bolt actions that won't break the bank. I'm kind of a Fudd though and only have glass and a sling on my rifle, no brake

                going to be 2 of us. one with spray, one with the gun (me). not just for bears. people can be a problem too. i want more range than a shotgun, and im not taking a handgun across country, AND im wanting a bolt action that isnt a sporterised 91/30 with the rear sight ground off that i paid 200 bones for.

              • 1 month ago
                op

                oh, and ive read all the laws for all the states im going to be traveling in. dont worry, but thanks for worrying about a fella 🙂

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Recoil like a mule, muzzleblast so profound it's uncomfortable for you& those around you, and even with a ton of practice it's an easy way to develop a flinch. Plus the whole point of a magnum like .300WM is to have a lot of extra powder giving you a lot of extra velocity with heavier bullets. The 18" barrel defeats that whole purpose. You really want a 22" or even 24" barrel on a .300WM. Can still get a very light gun with that barrel length though

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How good is the ruger american predator?
    One of my mates has one.
    It shoots 1/2 MOA everytime he brings it out, is as reliable as any other bolt action and is and light enough to carry all day if we're hunting.
    On the other hand it just feels kinda cheap, lightweight means heavy recoil and the barrel seems to heat up relatively quickly which means accuracy suffers if you shoot too much too fast.
    Overall, it seems like a damn good gun for the price.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      thanks for confirming that im not getting a pile of junk. i wanted to be sure before i pumped a whole bunch of cash into it. honestly you guys have been very helpful this thread. thanks guys.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't be a pussy b***h, get something in .460 Weatherby Magnum.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Get the 300wm but with a 24" barrel

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i would be sacrificing the barrel length, price of round, and ive already found all the specs i want in the 308

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        When you get your gun, be sure to post pics.
        You also have three good options for gun oil:
        >Nano Gun Oil, made by a local /k/ommando /k/raut chem engineer
        >LucasOil
        >CLP
        >Slip2000
        You can basically forget everything else exists, and I'm going to get a lot of (yous) for shitting on Hoppes, but Hoppes is mediocre at best.
        So help me the spirit of John Moses Browning will come smack your shit up if you put WD-40 anywhere near a gun. Just don't fricking do it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          oh, i wont use wd40.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Good, I've seen people trash guns and ammo with WD-40. A couple were irreplaceable artifacts.
            You mentioned muzzle brakes, so do be mindful that using one will blast dirt and grass around you if that's something you need to worry about.
            Besides encouraging you to get a good, comfy sling, I don't know what other general advice to give.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              im gonna get a cheap one off ebay. do you know what bolt handles will fit the ruger american predator?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Whatever is being sold as made for the Ruger American. I also found a couple of clamp on bolt knobs.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                right, but the gunbroker listing doesnt say what the gen is

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is .308 the same as 7.62 NATO?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      bait post. not op

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No it isn't. Physically they're nearly identical, but .308 can be higher pressure than chambers, bolts, or lugs intended for 7.62x51 can safely handle.
      This matters more than the distinction between 224 and 5.56 which iirc only has some accuracy implications, and a 223 Wylde chamber is better for that anyway.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How good is the ruger american predator?
    Better than an axis, worse than a Howa or Sauer 100.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you're planning on hunting grizzly bears or moose the .308 is enough gun for any animal in NA imo. Plus there is massive market support for .308 and you can get bullets of all different kinds. 300WIN is way overkill for something like whitetail deer. 300WIN also kicks like a sonofab***h and the ammo is expensive. For an all purpose bolt gun .308 is the way, without a doubt.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      about as good as a shotgun for grizbear defense i recon. with good aim of course

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      People use 308 to hunt Grizzly bears.
      Many, many people in the north use 223 to hunt moose, stop being a pleb

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah and you could shoot them in the eye with a .22LR and be fine. Just cause the natives can bring down moose and bear by filling it with .223 sized holes doesn't mean its a suitable hunting round for them. Hunting guides in Alaska generally won't let you bring less than a 30-06 for grizzly hunting.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Considering .30-06 is just a .308 that requires a longer action, .308 seems reasonable.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only reason you need a 300wm over 308, is hunting large game at extended ranges(like elk or larger at 400yds or more), or target shooting past 1000 yards(but there's better cartridges for that)

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