I think Winchester really dropped the ball on advertising this as "357 Supermagnum Rimless". It is a solid competitor and in a couple of respects superior to 300 BLK, sort of like an American 9x39. Even without a fast twist you can shoot bullets just as heavy as the 300BLK while being more efficient in short barrels and still using common caliber bullets.
i have legitimately been wanting something like 357-level in the .30 carbine size for forever. it appears this went the opposite way.
>went the opposite way
How so?
and 350 legend is like .357mag size bullet but in a mid-rifle sized cartridge
might have been true for ww2-era 357s but the 30carbine is like 50% lighter bullet weight so fast and flat.
>i have legitimately been wanting something like 357-level in the .30 carbine size for forever
Doesn't .30 carbine already have pretty comparable ballistics to .357?
>...something like 357-level in the .30 carbine size...
350 Legend would unironically sell in a Ruger Mini-14. Fudds would buy it, especially with a wood stock.
Shit, I'd buy one and I'm not even that interested in 350L
There are several similar wildcats with AR, max, or magnum rimless in the name so winchester avoided all of them.
>while being more efficient in short barrels
Is it? .300 Blackout supposedly gets a full powder burn and 90% performance out of a 9" barrel, 350 Legend has considerable gains in muzzle velocity up to 20 inches.
Never mind I'm retarded
>350L Winchester 145 grain FMJ:
2071 fps at 10"; 2346 fps at 20"
>300BLK, some 110 grain loading
2167 fps at 9", 2412 fps at 16"
yeah, the low sectional density bullets work great in short barrels. the powder burn is pretty much the same as .300BO, because they use the same powders.
Not considerable gains, but you’re right, the 350 legend is still gaining nontrivial velocity in barrels longer than 9”. Although the bullet is wider, so is the case, and height of the propellant column is taller. I think it’s got proportionally (to caliber) more powder than 300 blackout. Dunno exact numbers, but it is like an 1800ft*lb cartridge.
how to inform everyone on range that u got small punishment syndrome kek
what are you going to do with that? write angry words at me?
How are those 30 rounds mags?
20 round stanags are superior to 30 rounders. No I will not elaborate
<t. Never read about how every SF/SO group in Vietnam did whatever was necessary (needful in your dialect) to get 30 rd capacity instead of 20 rd
You're not a SF/SO group so it doesn't matter to you
>350 legend slackjawed yokels: "I'm so much better than you in every way, muh superiority is incredible, I can even use 20round mags without constant jams now!"
>300 blackout subgun replacement originalists "I don't think about you at all."
That's the truth of the matter.
You have a redneck hunting cope cartridge that doesn't supress as easily or as well as 300blk, isn't nearly as reliable across barrel lengths and bullet weights, can't match capacity, doesn't feed as well and is more prone to malfunction, and doesn't have the power of other, better straight wall rounds for hunting, like 450 bushmaster.
So what the fuck is the point?
based and truthpilled. see same shit as OP with handgun cartridges, "oh why are 9mm users so quiet huhh?" because self confident winners don't need to screech and whine and compare dicks they can just talk guns and shooting
I'm still annoyed that this didn't take off
>needs a press
It is never gonna leave the hanger.
QRD?
Gay just get a lever gun to shoot 357
300 BLACKED.COM is better because my 30 cal can works on my 308, 6.5 sneedmore and 5.56. The cans for that round are too ass blasted out. Sorry!
I measured my 30cal can and it's big enough for 35 caliber. It's only .050" which is nothing.
Be careful, suppressors need overbore. You should verify that with the manufacturer.
.050 is a lot when discussing bore diameters, suppressors need to be overbore
Blackout isn’t popular because it’s some amazingly optimized round. It’s popular because every ammo/AR manufacturer and AR owner could buy into it with minimal investment
>that case rim
When you skip leg day
lick the primer and make it rimmed.
Nice, a new wizzbang caliber that will be kaput in 2-3 years. Why can't you retards just realize there's subsonic 7.62x39 loads and stfu (with a suppressor)
x39 subs are twice as expensive as blk
The neo-fudd (AR pistols for white tails) crowd will keep .350 Legend alive unless .400 Legend kills it.
Yes, Winchester released a competitor to their own cartridge after only 2 years.
i want to buy a 350 legend to shoot durr with
you can put together an upper for under $400
>names it .350 Legend
>not naming it .35 Winchester Selfloader mag
It looks like a long .351 WSL. Seriously.
it .350 Legend
>>not naming it .35 Winchester Selfloader mag
It really should have been named .350 Winchester Auto Mag (350 WAM for short).
After you drop a deer, you could whisper “wam!” to yourself. Marketing department, take note.
I know shitposting about calibers is tried and true PrepHole condition but it's still retarded. 300bo is about practicality not ideals.
1. Uses standard 30cal cans which have massive options and everyone has already. There is zero point in even talking about quiet guns if you don't have a suppressor, and they're a pain in the dick to get (t. in line for next one, expecting approval from atfdaddy no earlier than next spring). It's a huge practical advantage to have a can that can be used for 300bo/308/300wm and even 6.5.
2. 300bo subs are reasonably priced and widely available off the shelf. 220gr subs start at around 64cpr. If you reload there are better options than 350l too though your call in that case, but that's nothing about regular popularity. 350l factory 255gr starts at over 100cpr.
>300BLK fans have been really quiet
Well yeah, that's the point of the round lol.
i wonder if 9mm smg suppressors can handle 350l
nvm i googled it
9mm haters are terminally retarded, especially that one schizo who insists that it doesn't suppress well
>9mm haters are terminally retarded, especially that one schizo who insists that it doesn't suppress well
Oh yeah lol is he still around? But really there's a lot of fuddlore/zoomerlore floating around about cans, there weren't very good consistent measurements until relatively recently. Though ultimately I blame the ATF and NFA for that as the root cause, there'd more data, more experience, and more objective comparisons without that horse shit.
>i wonder if 9mm smg suppressors can handle 350l
With a heavy duty steel or inconel baffle system a can would survive just fine, pistol cans would do better than an "SMG" one actually in theory since pressure drops with barrel length, and people do use handgun cans with subsonic loads sometimes. But anything designed for 9mm would be much louder, out a short barrel we're talking a pretty massive pressure differential. 350l is a typical rifle 55k psi, while even +P 9mm is 38.5k. 9mm SMGs like an MP5 are ~9" barrels, and generally fall into the same 8-11" range that are typically popular for SBRs. Pressure drops with barrel length and burn so of course with a long barrel you could get 350l down but if we're comparing like and like that'd be a much, much bigger blast than even the Hispaniciest bubba 9mm ever.
Subs would be fine in a pistol/smg can, the pressure is around 9mm levels
>220gr subs start at around 64cpr. If you reload there are better options than 350l too though your call in that case
Yeah it’s really easy to reload subs and cast lead projectiles are cheap. You can even get molds and powder coat and get even cheaper (you do need to shoot a lot of offset the equipment cost though). Plus your normal bullet selection is better because there is a million .30 cal bullets.
yeah, nobody makes .355 or .357 bullets.
>using 158gr or 180gr subs
Ok just neuter your round I guess
how's 280 grain grab you, since we were talking about casting?
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Nice job moving the goalposts from factory bullet options
>Nice job moving the goalposts from factory bullet options
>Yeah it’s really easy to reload subs and cast lead projectiles are cheap. You can even get molds and powder coat and get even cheaper (you do need to shoot a lot of offset the equipment cost though). Plus your normal bullet selection is better because there is a million .30 cal bullets.
yeah, don't talk about cast bullets, it's totally off topic and makes
>15grains
it's 60 you mongoloid retard, but being disingenuous hacks is what keeps hypebeast morons alive. 300BO pretty much caps out at 220 grains, 350L has hit 280 already.
>scarce suppressor selection,
yeah, nobody makes suppressors for 9mm. please see above discussion on what a fucking gay liar you are. you'd make shit up no matter how well it works, let me guess, your that retard that thinks the powder magically burns better in 300BO?
280-265=60?
>9mm suppressors for 350l
ask me how i know you are 1) noguns 2) nosuppressors 3) no350l
by all means, which 9mm can doesn't accept at least 350L subsonic? many accept 16" 350L and 3 off the top of my head that are unlimited with 350L
alaskan 360, raptor 375 (of which i have on order) and dragoon 350.
280-220=60
the OTS subs for 350 are 250 and 255, 30+ grains heavier than the garbage 220 subs that everyone stocks for 300BO
>yeah, there's a terrible selection of .355 and .357 bullets, all those calibers are flashes in the pan and will never catch on.
you retards never change.
>280-220
oh, so you're using some esoteric cast bullet for 350l, but for some reason insist on factory ammo for 300blk
thanks for confirming you're a disingenuous shill
>needing 16" barrels for a slow caliber
thanks for confirming you're also a retard on top of that
>alaskan 360, raptor 375 (of which i have on order) and dragoon 350.
a whopping three suppressors to choose from, all of which suppress 300blk better and from much shorter barrel
>whopping three suppressors
plus every 9mm can with subs and most with supers. even common 9mm cans like the Wolfman list 350L on their calibers. why are you so insistent on lying about this? what do you gain by misrepresenting reality? how does that support your argument?
If you have the 375 can why are you fucking around with gay legend, get the big boy that mogs the small frame.
nta but while no a decent 9mm can isn't going to break or anything from 350l out a 16" barrel even with supers the suppression performance isn't great either vs 300bo with a quality 308 can even with a much shorter barrel. FWIW I'm not shitting on you liking it, it's not like it's some snowflake meme caliber and people who know what they're doing and shoot can use anything they want as far as I'm concerned.
That said on a personal level it's an odd duck to me short of being in a straight wall state. For factory <225yd (which is 99% of non-range use around here), 300bo is plenty of energy, significantly cheaper, has more load coverage, more gun choice, and better suppression and SBR characteristics. It's a decent jack of all trades compromise round.
For those of us who reload there are tons of way way more interesting rounds IMO at all distances than EITHER of them. For subs there is even awesome stuff like .510whisper which can go astonishing distances and actually outperform many supers at enough distance. But also more general options like 375.
Again if 350 works for you that's fine, but just hasn't ever gripped me.
I built a .350L for hunting with kids because a m4 stock is the easiest way for the rifle to grow with them and the recoil is pretty mild.
I went with Legend over BLK because the idea of accidentally putting a mag of .300 BLK into a rifle wearing a 5.56 upper terrifies me. If 30 Wilson Combat had been more successful, I probably would have bought one of those instead, but Wilson Combat didn’t promote it and was second to the dance, which means that it needed promotion.
Good post
>the suppression performance isn't great either vs 300bo with
people say this then neither provide numbers, nor are intellectually honest enough to point out
>if you shoot suppressed subsonics, the gun is far quieter than any supersonic cartridge suppressed or not
the "300BO subs are actually quieter" is a retarded because the difference isn't perceptible, it's only measurable. what is important about the caliber is that it has subsonics and that they are heavy. This is why nobody is like
>just suppress 5.56 or .308
because that'd be retarded in this context. or if you want to go down the supers route, 350L wipes the floor with 300BO in terms of energy and terminal ballistics.
>510whisper which can go astonishing distances
oh no, you're that retard that's never done ballistic charts before. go shill for 8.6BO you fucking brainlet hypebeast troglodyte.
jesus what a retarded post
>t. bought an 8.6BO
350 Legend does all that AND straightwall states, which if you're a fudd is important
especially when you bought an AR-15 to bond with your son
>>yeah, there's a terrible selection of .355 and .357 bullets, all those calibers are flashes in the pan and will never catch on.
>you retards never change
Like I already said
What heavy subsonics are readily available in .355-.357” and cheaper than .30 cal 220ish? Go ahead show me. Prove I’m the retard, you retard
NOE 313gr cast mold
Do you have fun going in circles or what? Are you actually braindead but can type sentences? You sarcastically say
>no one makes .355” bullets
I say
>have fun with pistol weight subsonics in your rifle
you say
>nu uhhh case your own
And repeat again. moron you said factory .355-7” bullets are better. Not casting your own. If you are casting (you aren’t) then .300 blackout is still cheaper (marginally).
Honestly what point are you even trying to make?
>bullets are better
did anyone say that? you implied they were unobtanium, non-retards pointed out they were common and plentiful. there are also dedicated soft point, ballistic tip, all copper hollow point, hollowpoint subsonic and fmj available for 350L, but I'm sure those don't count for some reason.
https://www.lg-outdoors.com/Search/15167 here's a selection of those above AND in stock. it's such a popular round some of the truncated cone fmjs are OOS.
>you implied they were unobtanium, non-retards pointed out they were common and plentiful
Why are you lying? You know you lost the argument when you have to make stuff up and lie. I said
> Plus your normal bullet selection is better because there is a million .30 cal bullets.
Then when discussing subsonics specifically, you suggested using the common .355-.357” bullets which are for PISTOLS. Yes they are cheap and common but also clearly worse than dedicated rifle bullets.
> there are also dedicated soft point, ballistic tip, all copper hollow point, hollowpoint subsonic and fmj available for 350L
No shit. But those are most expensive, like I already said.
>those don’t count for some reason
Again, show me where I, or anyone, said there weren’t bullets for a .350 legend.
Keep doubling down. It’s fun to watch
>PISTOLS
yeah, they don't work in long guns, .357 mag, for example is garbage out of anything longer than 6", the bullets turn to marshmallows because I'm a dumb moron like you. there definitely aren't literal commercial .357 mag loadings that dunk on .300BO because it's shit for tactikiddies and paper punchers.
so what we've established is that there are every kind of desirable bullet available, plus a hilarious number of cheap options for loading .350 legend.
that seems like a good thing, but I don't have any birth defects because my mom didn't smoke cracks while pregnant.
>because I'm a dumb moron
At least you admit it
>Yeah it’s really easy to reload subs and cast lead projectiles are cheap
>specifically talking about subs
>recommend 180gr .357 bullets
For the 3rd time, have fun neutering your subsonics. Do you not understand why a lighter, fatter bullet, at the same speed is worse?
You
>nobody makes .355 or .357 bullets.
Also you
>here’s bullets you can cast yourself
Fuck off you dumb moron
>let me guess, your that retard that thinks the powder magically burns better in 300BO
That's me. wtf anon, it was an innocuous post I corrected minutes later. You don't have to twist the knife
a whopping 15 extra grains per shot is a really lousy trade for less reliability, 10 less rounds per mag, scarce suppressor selection, and possibly worse BC
265 grain 300blk bullets goes for as low as 23 cpr
>Yeah it’s really easy to reload subs and cast lead projectiles are cheap. You can even get molds and powder coat and get even cheaper (you do need to shoot a lot of offset the equipment cost though). Plus your normal bullet selection is better because there is a million .30 cal bullets.
If you reload and don't live in a straight wall state, seriously, why would you use 350l vs 375 raptor or something like that? The whole point of reloading is to escape most of the constraints of mass manufacturing because your costs get pretty flat so long as you don't need to get too crazy on the brass side. You can have the weirdest most niche fully custom load in the world and it'll still cost brass+bullet+powder+primer. Almost 100% of the caliber bullshit goes away when you reload, you just do what you like and customize exactly to your needs/desires. That's why it's awesome!
But objectively speaking anon we both know the overwhelming super majority of gun owners don't reload, they buy off the shelf. That's what the caliber war shit is always about. Reloading is meaningless in these discussions, only whatever ammoseek or god help us rando LGS have. Optimal doesn't come into it unless the result is so superior it achieves critical mass.
350l really excels in short range supersonic, not subsonic like op is implying
out of a 10" barrel, it gets higher muzzle energy than m855a1 out of 20"
>300BLK fans have been really quiet
that's the idea
isnt this just a cope caliber for deer hunting in straight wall states?
.450 bushmistress is strongrr
Because nobody cares, gay.
.350 Legend is a good cartridge that was hampered by horseshit from the start.
>No parent cartridge
>Ambiguous bullet diameter from the start, somehow incompatible with .358 bullets except when it's not and standardizing in .355's
>Being just weird enough to not quite feed from unmodified .223 magazines
>Being marketed as a better .30-30 with cherry picked advertising numbers
>Being named fucking "legend"
That said, by virtue of it being a medium bore intermediate cartridge it is superior to .300 blk'd in all but recoil.
>Being named fucking "legend"
Fookin' LEGEND
it's just modern .35 Remington
Yes but I've already spent close to 3 grand on 300blackcock so I refuse to spend another 3 grand on the next new thing