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is the chicom AK the best AK an amerimutt can get?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's an AK, it's been solved for decades. PSA is fine and anyone saying otherwise has buyer's remorse from their expensive import.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >PSA is fine
      0/100

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      No, Saiga is best.

      >PSA is fine
      They have had pretty consistent strings of quality issues since their release until now even. PSA also uses way too soft of a steel for use in firearms, that includes with their Daggers and other guns.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >PSA also uses way too soft of a steel for use in firearms
        what is your source for this? I tried looking it up but couldn't find anything about it

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >PSA also uses way too soft of a steel for use in firearms
        PSA actually uses real forgings for their trunnions, meanwhile WBP makes their trunnions out of forged billet.

        ak market here is not great in current year
        fortunately we have access to ar15s in all price ranges from $400 to $4000
        and the ar15 is straight up a better gun outside of a few extremely niche things
        the only reason for an American to own an ak is because they think they are cool

        The AK (7.62 and 5.56) market is fine. Fuddlore regurgitators flock to AKs like flies to shit so it seems like things are bleak. It's in a much better place than any other non-ar platform.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, I'm all for a good bait post, but what you just said crosses the line into cope territory.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    AKs are pure fricking garbage and you'd have to be a complete fricking moron or a broke third worlder to waste a cent on one

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Ok bro

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      those grapes sure are sour huh?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        i've got a bag of shit to sell to you. exclusive shit.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >he fell for the "premium AK" meme
        So how much did you spend? More than $1000? How about more than $2000?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          my ex full auto type 56 was 300€ in 2014. My saiga folder mkk04 was 650€ in 2017

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            and you still cant take it outside

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I can take both outside for hunting as the bore is bigger than 4.8mm. I could shoot innawoods only if I owned the land which is absurdly expensive considering all the land is either of the government or privately owned and convincing a braindead normie to shoot on his property outside of hunting season is impossible.
              Workaround is to bring with you zeroing ak tools and paper target so if someone calls the cops you can say you were sighting it in for the hunt

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        "Premium" AKs were already surpassed

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      y tho?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      nogunz as frick

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Buying a Norinco is buying someone's pre AWB investment, don't fall for it

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No, the outright “best” would be a Valmet. The best all-around cheaper option is probably a WBP Jack/Fox.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    pre-awb norinco is as good as a wasr. post awb norincos that africans, arabs and euros got ranges from psa-tier to worse than io. best akm(ish) rifle you can buy in america today is wbp.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >buying an ak in the year of our lord 2012+12
    >let alone dropping 3k on a norinco
    If you want it for 'aesthetics' go cheap.
    Or if you want quality, genuinely go for a parts kit instead.
    There's 0 reason to buy expensive AKs.
    I miss when good aks were 700 bucks and 5.45 was 28cpr and good 120 buck nuggets.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Sad when the 400 dollar blem PSA is better in every way

  8. 1 week ago
    Resident Wumbologist

    Chicom were never the best. They were good for the money when they were being imported, but that was a long time ago and current prices are only dictated by collector interest rather than actual quality or performance. They did use good quality steel, but assembly was often sloppy. Only in comparison to some of the absolute garbage unleashed on the US market do they look particularly good.

    The best you could get at that time would be a Finnish Valmet, which would run circles around any Chinese option but also cost significantly more because it wasn't manufactured in a sweatshop and then sold at or slightly over cost.

    As far as the best AK available since, Saigas were made in Russia on the same assembly lines by the same people as the AK-100 series, but those are now import banned too.
    As far as current availability, Bulgarian Arsenal models are made to similar standards of quality as Russian rifles. The Bulgarians have gotten very greedy and adding enough US made parts to skirt 922R has driven up the cost quite a lot though.
    The best "for-the-money" option remains the WASR-10, only you will have to put up with some QC slop and replace the dogshit US made furniture with anything else. For a little more money the new Zastava Z-PAPs are actually pretty solid and I can't recommend one enough, unless you really can't deal with the Yugo proprietary furniture and optics mount.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Zastava Z-PAP
      I hate that they discontinued their 5.56 STANAG rifles.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >I hate that they discontinued their 5.56 STANAG rifles.
        Those guns were certainly interesting back in the day, but to be fair the steel mags that the Zastava M85 uses are peak performance. Very sturdy, good and plentiful spot welds, reinforced steel feed lips, nice blued finish, and they are all flat back as well. STANAG is definitely cheaper, but Zastavas steel 5.56 mags are a lot stronger.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Saigas

      why are there so many 12 gauge Saigas?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They were the first commercially successful magazine-fed shotgun

      • 1 week ago
        Resident Wumbologist

        There weren't a lot of semi-auto shotguns with detachable magazines available prior to the Saiga-12. While their rifles were solid, they weren't game-changers in a market where a Century WASR 10/63 could be had for less money without having to dremel it into something resembling a proper AK. The Saiga-12 by contrast was a complete game-changer, particularly for 3-gun competition shooting. It got to where anybody with a Saiga could breeze through any shotgun stage, and anybody NOT using one was effectively not in the game at all.

        It also helps that shotguns competitions are common in Russia as well, since smoothbore firearms are less regulated than rifled ones. This encouraged a developmental feedback loop between competition shooters and Russian manufacturers to refine the design on their domestic market.

        I think the real shame is that they didn't import the SVD Tigr much during the 2000s. It is popular in Russia and Europe as a semi-automatic hunting rifle.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >I think the real shame is that they didn't import the SVD Tigr much during the 2000s. It is popular in Russia and Europe as a semi-automatic hunting rifle.
          can confirm. my neighbor has one in 9mm brenneke. Boomers went apeshit for it when 9mm versions and 3006 started selling here in the early 2000s for like 600€

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      My homie. Saiga & zpapp'n master race coming through

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm so glad I got my Saiga a couple months before the import ban. I was split between that or a Polish one, but the whole barrel and receiver being assembled at the same Izhmash factory as the mil ones sold me. Atlantic did a 100-series looking conversion called the BAK-132, it was only available for like a year. Got it for $750. At that time, Arsenals was viewed as the premium AKs, but I didn't want a milled one, the Yugo ones were viewed as good but not as good of a reputation as they have on /k/ today, similarly before WBP got really popular the Polish ones were viewed as good but not premium like they are now

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I should clarify, when I say Yugo I mean both the surplus that was available around 2012-2013 and also all of Zastava production in general up to current production

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      see if you can get them to post gas block, trunnion and barrel. that's the secret to buying an AK, you can find pictures of shitty trunnion's online, and that will tell you if it's good or not. you want one that looks more like an RPK trunnion than the smaller ones used for regular AK's you'll see online. it's more of an acquired skill though, so just know that you want it THICC, and preferably forged. or you could just buy an AR-pattern and not have to worry about it.

      got my VEPR just a little after the import ban, but before it seemed the pawn shop had caught on to it getting banned for import. i wonder if he realizes just how bad he got it there.

      >buying an ak in the year of our lord 2012+12
      >let alone dropping 3k on a norinco
      If you want it for 'aesthetics' go cheap.
      Or if you want quality, genuinely go for a parts kit instead.
      There's 0 reason to buy expensive AKs.
      I miss when good aks were 700 bucks and 5.45 was 28cpr and good 120 buck nuggets.

      i am fricking praying that ukes somehow get import licenses to send us AKs and shit from the war, i think they'd be able to fund a push to moscow with the money alone from it.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >i am fricking praying that ukes somehow get import licenses to send us AKs and shit from the war, i think they'd be able to fund a push to moscow with the money alone from it.
        Imagine it, anon. They have fricking everything. Off the top of my head:
        >Various AR-15s, M16s, etc.
        >FAMAS
        >Various AKs
        >Mosins
        >AS VALs
        >Probably a couple SVDs
        >FN FNCs
        >Didn't they have some Kel-Tecs?
        Only issue there might be is with the "10 years in a neutral country" thing if they came from Russia.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >the best

    Those would be Valmets. Still absolutely mongoloided to pay several thousands for them.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ak market here is not great in current year
    fortunately we have access to ar15s in all price ranges from $400 to $4000
    and the ar15 is straight up a better gun outside of a few extremely niche things
    the only reason for an American to own an ak is because they think they are cool

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Best place to get a full saiga conversion? I've heard of a few places in Texas that are reputable, who here knows someone that does a bang-up job and supplies all the hardware. 80mp

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