30 super carry

What happened with it? People were talking about this everywhere and then it just fell off the face of the earth
Does anyone here have it? Is it as good as marketing claimed?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the marketing campaign ended, that's why people stopped talking about it, it was all paid promotion

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is as good as the marketing claimed or maybe better.
    You don't hear about it because people can't get attention for talking about it

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    as it turns out 9mm is "just good enough" and the affordable price and availability of 9mm, also the fact that there are way more guns chambered in 9mm outweighs the mostly theoretical benefits of 30SC

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Federal never made good on their promise to have it cost the same as 380 and it turns out buying a case of cheap 9mm is far more important to people than an extra round or 2 in a mag.
    Additionally it's loud as shit and unpleasant to shoot. Imagine discharging a 30sc weapon in a vehicle.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Imagine discharging a [...]weapon in a vehicle
      ow my ears

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but now with extra ow over a 9mm.
        At least with 9mm you can always load 147gr and not have a sonic boom thumping your ear drums. Still ow, but a more mild ow.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does anyone really carry 9mm subs to avoid hearing damage in a self-defense situation? Most will carry something super hot with a bunch of expansion for terminal effect.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            +P is perhaps one of the biggest memes in the self defense industry.
            The only off switches in a person are taking out their CNS, lowering blood pressure critically with blood loss, or suffocation from damaged lungs. Having an extra scientific amount of muzzle velocity and energy isn't going to magically send a person to the shadow realm especially from a handgun of all things. Muzzle velocity in rifles makes a difference because it fundamentally changes how the projectile behaves when it hits a person (example being M193 fragmenting).
            Handgun self defense bullets expand and going faster doesn't change how largely a bullet can expand. Going faster just results in more penetration and risk of the bullet actually coming apart and losing weight retention.
            >tl;dr 147gr subsonics are great as long as they're going fast enough to expand

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >more penetration is a meme

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it is. There's a reason why the FBI has a minimum AND maximum for penetration when testing rounds in ballistic gel.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and 40 S&W passes them with everything from shitty hydrashoks to "new bullet construction makes it just as good" FSTs and gold dots
                9mm and 45 dont

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I carry Buffalo Bore +p+ because I want the moron to hurt more the whole time it's dying

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Going faster just results in more penetration
              Or less, depending on the bullet.
              However the main reason for overpressure rounds existing is short barrels, which generally makes it a moot point.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >in a person
              Not to disagree with you overall anon, but I'm rural and have never needed a gun to defend myself against a person. I have needed it though (once in decades) against a black bear and had a handful of other close calls. So my typical carry is a full size hg in a shoulder holster and I use +p+, the extra penetration definitely isn't much but it's not nothing either. I know where bear vitals are but that doesn't make it a guarantee and any margin for "free" seems worth it there. I'm also using copper mono so there is no expansion.

              I know there have been bears including grizzlies killed by experts with 22lr, they're not armored and bulletproof or anything. But I'm not at that level either.

              Anyway, that's probably a tiny fraction of purchasers. Just I don't think it's entirely a meme, certainly not with screwdrivers in remote settings.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This.
              +P has merit in .38s and literally nowhere else.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I carry 124 standard pressure because I like the way the recoil impulse feels the best

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does anyone really carry 9mm subs to avoid hearing damage in a self-defense situation? Most will carry something super hot with a bunch of expansion for terminal effect.

          Were the boomers right about .45 acp?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        WWHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTT??????????

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >implying any gun without ear pro is good
      dump a cylinder of a 5 shot 38 and tell me you dont hear a phone ringing

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there is exactly one (1) gun chambered for it. expect more to be unveiled in a couple of weeks at shot show.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think there were 3. There was the shield, shield ez, and some 1911. Point remains though.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I forgot about the ez variant but $4000 custom 1911s don't count

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It stopped being new, so people stopped talking about it. 30SC is fine, but it needs to be in more guns before it becomes a real option. How many people are actually in the market for a shield and shield ez? Of those people, how many of them chose the .30 SC option? Until it gets actual market share, it's going to stay low on the radar.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not a lot of guns chambered for it.
    Being the equivalent of what 9mm is to .40SW to 9mm itself is an awkward position to be in.
    Even being flat out arguably better than 9mm is a difficult spot because 9mm is super cheap and widely available and is JustAsGood.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      30 super carry should be trying to compete with .380 not 9mm.

      9mm is more powerful than 30 super carry and cheaper and since 9mm is typically chambered in guns the size of a P365 or larger the upside of more capacity is debatable as guns that size already have 10 or more rounds of 9mm.

      On the other hand if you got 30 super carry firing out of something Ruger LCP size it would be pretty sick as you'd be looking at a round that's more powerful than .380 and you'd be getting an extra round or two which is a big deal when you're competing with say 6+1 rounds of .380.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I kinda have the opposite thought. I feel like advertising a 20+ round capacity in a flush-fit handgun magazine in a full-sized .30 SC has an appeal as well. Micro 9's were the worst market to compete with because nobody cares about going from 10->13. On the other hand, going from a 19->25 capacity in something like the CZ-P10 seems a bit more impactful, and 30 round mags with extended base plates become accessible.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Then it would just be competing with the 5.7

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are about as many handguns chambered in 5.7 as there are in .30 SC. I think it's a great option, but unless you like the FN Five-Seven, Ruger 57, or PSA Rock, you're out of luck. I think it would be largely competing with full-sized 9mm in the platforms that it's available on like the G17, CZ P10, and M&P 2.0. In that regard, it would have a distinct advantage.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >competing with the 5.7
            What's that?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The autistic sperg in me wants to tell you, but my logically forced social interaction checklist understand the sarcasm directed at the 5.7's similar lack of common knowledge stands out further.
              I will say this, I have heard of people foolishly buying 5.7's before discovering the cost of operation. I have not heard of anyone buying a .30 sc.

              Addendum: I do know .327 fed mag owners, the .30 sc's brother. They hand load.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I do know .327 fed mag owners, the .30 sc's brother. They hand load.
                To be fair if you're shooting revolvers and obscure cartridges there's a fair chance you'd be handloading regardless of availability.
                Handloading 9mm, now that's retarded. Even if the price gets high enough to warrant it, you're wasting a primer that could go into a better round.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think the LCP could handle the additional pressure the 30sc requires.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, should be fine. Pressure isn't a problem, bolt thrust is. It'd need a stiffer spring, that's all.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the size of a P365
        P365s literally compete with ppks maks and cz83s

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody actually bothered making a slim steel/alloy gun for it, they just shoved conversion barrels in a couple of existing 9mm guns.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This too. A really slim 10 round single stack in 30. super carry that gives you P365 height and length dimensions at a fraction of the width would have gotten people's attention.

      A S&W Shield with an extra round or two in it isn't going to set the world on fire.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >single stack
        Doesn't even need to be single stack. You can get 12 in there staggered and still be smaller than a P365 mag.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >biggest material shortage in history
    >let's make 30 new calibers!
    The gay who thought that any of those meme calibers was a good idea needs to be stoned to death.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its not retarded compared to all the meme rifle calibers 6arc 22valkyrie 22nosler 22creedmoor 27nosler 28nosler etc etc

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's going to whither on the vine because they didn't embrace their origin.
      >picrel
      And also they insisted on going with near 9mm bullet weights at just slightly faster velocities. They should have looked to lehigh defense right off the bat to design some schp's in the 65grn area and to bring back their 50grn xtreme cavitator (which they have done now anyway) and their 55gr xtreme defense ..311 projectiles, and pushed out commercially loaded light for caliber high velocity SD ammo.
      Also, as it was just a fanfuckingtastic time to introduce new calibers using the same bottleneck in ammo production, the primers, when no one was able to [read: willing to] increase primer production.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What gun is that, and why is that man dressed like he just got out of a concentration camp in WW2 Germany?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's >WOUND VECTORS but autistic and better
          Vbr PDW

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should have made .25 super carry for a real improvement.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    theres like 3 guns in existence for it

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It falls into the same traps as any other trap a cheaper but just as good round falls into; it has to compete against a cheaper and more prolific round for marginal improvements where realistically for most consumers the more established round is "just as good". Outside of maybe a large military purchase and adoption to potentially change the price of the rounds,,most every country already has a set of rounds thare are more or less the "close enough" for rounds that are both close enough balistically and legally

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's marketed for small, highly concealable weapons with maybe 1 or 2 more bullets compared to a .380 of the same size.

    Problems being:
    poor performance out of super short barrels
    stupid expensive and impossible to find
    extremely loud ear-rape, permanent hearing damage

    Downsides from a handgun outweigh every marginal benefit. There are some highly specific circumstances where it's clearly superior to 9mm. But, just load 9mm P+ and you get the same benefits (including the ear-rape, but marginally less damaging than .30 super). Out of 100,000 incidents, maybe 1 of them would benefit from 2 extra rounds without reloading. Maybe 1 of 1,000,000 incidents.

    I'm tossing 124 gr 9mm out of a 3" barrel from 17+1 rounds available, plus a 2nd mag with another 17 rounds; running out of ammo is not a concern. .30 super offers me nothing but non-compatibility with standard, common rounds, no selection of handguns, no selection of bullets & ballistic variations, at least triple (if not not quadruple) the expense of ammo. And I can't carry it anywhere and expect to use it if I'm not already wearing hearing protection. Not to mention, if there are bystanders anywhere near, I could get sued for fucking their hearing over. Ohshitman, do we need to mention over penetration? Because shooting someone behind your target with a 2000 fps 80 gr bullet is going to cost you fucktons of cash, even if you somehow win.

    It is a seriously God damned loud motherfucing round, which should have killed it right on the design board before the fucking retards tried to meme it into existence. It belongs on a battlefield, out of a SMG 8" barrel w/ some sort of minimal suppression. The logistics & need for that situation could justify it (sort of, in more cases than pretty much anywhere else). The civilian market doesn't. That's why God made 9mm P+.

    From a 3 1/2" barrel (!), .30 super 100 gr is ~1250 fps (~345 ft/lbs), compare to ~1150 for 124 gr 9mm (~340 ft/lbs.). Extra ear-rape is free.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >From a 3 1/2" barrel (!), .30 super 100 gr is ~1250 fps (~345 ft/lbs), compare to ~1150 for 124 gr 9mm (~340 ft/lbs.). Extra ear-rape is free.
      Even then there is an argument to be made that the heavier bullet of the 9mm is going to be deflected a lot less through light barriers than an 80 grain bullet cooking at 2k fps

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dead meme

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >People were talking about this everywhere and then it just fell off the face of the earth
    Gee anon, it's almost like companies pay influencers to shill their product releases.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally the same as the round VBR Belgium tried getting NATO to buy into when NATO said they were looking for a new PDW&pistol caliber.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what happened is that no one actually wants a new caliber of ammo to have to stock up on

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why won't people buy a new caliber with no major benefits of pistol ammo when everyone already has so much 9mm everything?
    Inertia.

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