Have you tried not missing? These aren’t rifles and it’s not an extended gunfight.
After a certain point capacity in pistol has rapidly diminishing returns. Going from 6 to 8 is bigger than 8 to 12 which is a bigger than 12 to 18. Despite the first being 33% increase and the next two 50% increases
>wowzers!! is that 50 ft lbs more energy in the pissin hottest load after squeezing every last grain of powder into my underpowered overbore cope cartridge? imagine da knock down powah! >it's not like they are pretty much exactly identical throughout the whole velocity and energy bell curve!!
Why don't you shill for an actual Giga Chad cartridge like 10mm or 9x25 Dillon instead of your embarrassing glowmoron wristlet cope adaption?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>only looked at energy
the basedjack is you
there are more to bullets than velocity and energy. .40 is much more consistent in penetration, many 9mm rounds will under penetrate due to excessive expansion
1 month ago
Anonymous
>many 9mm rounds will under penetrate due to excessive expansion
Pistol rounds in general are already notoriously bad at creating the permanent wound cavities you'd prefer to see in a self defense scenario involving a other person, so I don't see why your selling point for .40 is that it's better at zipping through the target and NOT expanding.
>I hope it catches on.
If it has half as much success as .357 sig did, doubtful as even that is, I'd consider it a success. That said it probably won't.
I think a Glock 17 or 19 sized gun, something full-size-ish chambered in it would be pretty neat.
That comment wasn't really meant to be a comment on the effectiveness of .357 Sig, more the level of success I think .30 SC should shoot for as a gauge to see if it's ever going to anything more than another .45 GAP or .327 magnum. Say what you will about the effectiveness of .357 Sig, it has at least seen some limited success financially between Secret Service, Air Marshals, and a few assorted state police agencies.
>.357 sig
Adopted by several agencies, then immediately dropped. Also a dead meme with no future and barely no past. Even SIG doesn't make guns for it anymore.
>Your thoughts?
Another fucking scamround by an ammo company to try to juice sales with something higher profit and get people to buy new guns and ammo for absolutely zero real world benefit. >I hope it catches on.
I hope it dies hard, though instead it'll probably just sit around in meme status for ages. People pushing this garbage on PrepHole have been irritating though.
Literally the most retarded consoooomer cartridge released so far. It doesn't even pretend to fill a niche, because the moron gays at federal know full well there isn't a niche to fill. It's wimpier than 9mm in every configuration despite being 42% more pressure. People can already carry 17 rounds of more powerful 9mm in a full sized G17 or 15 rounds in a sub-compact G19. Why would they carry 19 rounds of superfaggy, which not only is much more expensive, less ubiquitous and weaker?
It's like these braindead moronS tried filling the gap between .380 and 9mm, but it turned out there was no gap there.
It kicks like a 9, which rules out the ultra subcompact or lady guns sections of the market. The only market for this is autistic self defense minmaxers, and that market is also willing to carry compacts or even fullsize guns and just deal with the inconvenience. There's no lucrative niche, and there's only a few guns in the caliber. When Glock comes out with a .30 SC model, then you'll know it has legs, just like the Glock 20 saved 10mm. But really, if you are serious about CCing just learn to conceal a larger gun, you'll shoot much better. Otherwise, a ultracompact with 10-13 rounds is gud enuff
I'd like for it to catch on. I think it makes more sense than a 9mm, but unfortunately it's very difficult to introduce a new caliber unless it fits a new niche. I'm doubtful that being a little better than 9mm is enough to get a foot into the market, but I'd like to be proven wrong.
But then again, it's still new. Maybe some new guns will get introduced that'll make it more popular.
But even if it manages to stay alive it won't be nearly as popular as 9mm leading to higher prices which may make 9mm the better choice still.
So is 9mm. I'm asking why 7.62 mongoloid was invented when 7.63 Parabellum had already existed during the time of its development. It's literally a shameless copy.
Good job, answering your own question. Soviets wanted something in .30 so they could use the same tooling that they used for rifle barrels and the dimensional similarities made it so that you could use 7.63 in a tok if you really needed to.
The point of 30 SC was to use a smaller case head for higher mag capacity. Going from 9mm to 380 offers zero benefit unless you’re a recoil-shy woman. 30SC offers 2 or 3 rounds extra capacity, works out to like 10-15%. Most valuable in tiny subcompacts
1 month ago
Anonymous
An extended baseplate adds another 2rds of capacity. Another mag for a glock is another 17 rounds. You can get 33rd mags and drums for a glock as reloads if you are worried about capacity and the ammo is on the shelves right now.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Extra capacity for the same mag length*
1 month ago
Anonymous
That same mag length, extra capacity is going to cost you:
Parts commonality
Ammo availability
Mag interchangability
Just change the mag out. A glock mag fits in your back pocket.
1 month ago
Anonymous
An extended baseplate would add 3 rounds for 30 SC.
Look dumbass if size/capacity means nothing to you then no one's stopping you from carrying 30 round extendo mags. For those of us in the real world, packing more rounds in a smaller package is an all around good idea.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>packing more rounds in a smaller package is an all around good idea.
I‘m sure unpaid 30 superfaggy shills know all about carrying tiny packages.
1 month ago
Anonymous
And those equivalent mags in .30SC would hold even more. What don’t you get?
It might be unnecessary (I think it is) but there is a very real increase
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The point of 30 SC
Was to generate revenue for 0 innovation in cartridges AND firearms. It's almost admirable how little faggeral even tried with this one and how quickly it will die. It's just as gay as .338 faggeral and .40 shit and weak.
1 month ago
Anonymous
If you took a hellcat pro or p365xl chambered in 30sc which would give you 2 extra rounds, You'd have 14+1 then if you got one of those spring kits you'd have 16+1 in a flushfitting mag, 18+1 in a pinky extension Mag in a p365xl. In a micro compact p365 you could get 14+1 in a flush mag and 16+1 in a pinky extension. You'd get more rounds than a Glock 17 in a gun half the size, that's pretty cool to me. That's the niche, so idk why people are saying there isn't one.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Exactly. It’s a great round for taking capacity to the nth degree. There are other costs, but still, it’s good for that niche
1 month ago
Anonymous
It is a niche and it will have some followers. But when you factor in a new gun cost and cost of ammo how many buy in? Yeah have full sized capacity in a subcompact frame is awesome. But I really don’t feel undergunned with 11+1 or 13+1 with my Hellcat. I don’t see where I’d fire 12 rounds from a pistol and lose and the determining factor is having another 3-5 rounds
.22lr
.25
.38
.380
9mm
.357
.44mag
.45ACP
.50AE
Etc.
Yeah we need another random ass caliber to fill some sort of niche role that is expenive and hard to find and uses up primers, brass, powder and lead that was needed for something else. What a gay name for a meme round.
I'm wondering if this is the brainchild of some elden boomer and all the aspiring boomers are buffing his cock, shilling this round for him in order to gain boomer clout. This shit needs to die before people waste money on it.
Meme cartridges for meme guns carried by meme people.
All this does is waste brass, lead, copper and primers that could be used in an ACTUAL cartridge that is ACTUALLY chambered in ACTUAL guns owned, carried and shot by ACTUAL people.
It's a decent option for people who happen to like the specific tradeoffs in it. As far as <9mm pistol calibres go, it is a much better concept than 5.7 for sure. And the modern world has space for many uncommon calibres, why not one more.
>We need the components for something else
Oh please. Very few people are going to buy an extra pistol to carry .30SC, rather than "because I felt like it". And noone's going to stockpile large amounts of .30SC.
If very few people are going to carry it and buy a good amount of ammo for it, why the fuck should companies sell it and make stuff for it. If a caliber dies then you are stuck with a paperweight or stuck reloading the same cases until they split. $100 for a box of 20 .30 super carry in 10 years doesn't sound like that good of an idea. If you want capacity, they sell mag extensions and extended mags for guns that are worth a shit.
You don't know how many people will use it. I'm saying, the people who will buy a .30SC on top of their existing pistols might just as well have bought another pistol instead. >If a caliber dies then you are stuck with a paperweight or stuck reloading the same cases
Even if it never becomes very popular, there's no reason to assume ammo will stop being made at all.
off the top of your head, name one cartridge introduced by a major ammo manufacturer that just suddenly disappeared and is no longer available for purchase
.45 GAP. Also .327 federal is basically dead which is a shame. Even .260 Remington is basically dead (though easily reloaded) even though it is 6.5 creedmoor 10 years before it 6.5CM even existed
1 month ago
Anonymous
>.327 federal
Don't remind me anon. I love this round
1 month ago
Anonymous
Same. I never owned one because it died by the time I had money for non-standard guns. I thought it was (still is) a great idea
I'd be interested in a Glock 43 and 43x chambered for it with metal mags and a compensator like the Radian Ramjet from the factory. 10-12 rounds in the 43 and 17
rounds in the 43x. The integrated comp would be very effective considering the cartridge pressure. You effectively end up with guns equivalent to the Glock 26 and Glock 17 but significantly smaller and lighter.
One thing I don't understand is why this has been shilled on PrepHole so hard for awhile now. I mean, I guess on launch naturally it being new it'd get spammed and shitposted with etc, but what's the point now? And PrepHole is a minnow of an audience, yeah 4chingchong itself is sizable but most of that goes to /a/, /b/, /v/ etc.
>9mmdittor immediately starts making cuckolding references unprompted
I just like .30 super duper carry because it exposes 9mmfags as the stoppan powah fudds they always accused everyone else of being.
There's nothing wrong with them as calibers, they (mostly 10mm) just occupy a weird place where the get the shit shilled out of them. .357 is especially economical because you can practice with .38 special.
t. reloads and owns guns in .32, .380, .38 special, 9mm mak, 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 magnum, and hopefully 10mm and .45 super soon.
>.357 is especially economical because you can practice with .38 special.
I wish that were still true. It's hard to get a good price on .38 now, if you can even find it it'll probably be notably more than 9mm.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I know what might help lower the price and up availabilty of .38spl.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Everyone getting off their ass and getting a job again?
Make reliable 10mm pistols that are long slide, optics ready, can handle all available rounds and have good capacity. .30SC probably isn't as good for bears.
benefits
like 15% more capacity
downsides
maybe slightly weaker then 9mm? (that barely matters honestly)
compatibility with literally everything is gone, barrels, mags, comps, none of it will work
ammo costs more
this is useful in the context of subcompacts if you know the tradeoffs, and I do imagine it'll catch on, but I don't think it's gonna replace 9mm any time soon
Can all of you stop getting angry at nothing now please?
Isn't it the same old song >New thing is slightly better than old thing >No one wants to deal with adopting new thing because the cost of changing is high >Old thing keeps going forever
It's probably not as big of a problem when it comes to calibers but I've actually declined some jobs because I don't want to deal with computer systems that are older than myself.
well this is the kind of thing where being slightly better is actually worth going for, people want more capacity for less size so it's tempting
for comparison, the M2 will keep going on forever because there isn't really any metric you can really improve on that's worth going for
>People want
Nobody I have ever talked to wants .30 stupid carry. I want a Glock 40 MOS. I think we all do. Make that. Instead of buying what you are shilling, I am going to buy some other stuff right now. You could have made money from me 5 minutes from now.
I'd argue one of the most important factors is the price of ammunition. Nothing will become more popular than 9mm as long as 9mm is cheaper. Nothing will become cheaper than 9mm as long as 9mm is more popular. You see the issue
What are you talking about anon? For most people price is an important factor. Even wealthy people care about price. Nothing will dethrone 9mm as long as 9mm is cheaper, that's just the reality of the situation.
I like the idea of it, but unfortunately I'm a firm believer in the idea that you should train with your carry gun most of all, and that means shooting hundreds and thousands of rounds of 30SC. Shit ain't going to be cheap.
What are you talking about anon? For most people price is an important factor. Even wealthy people care about price. Nothing will dethrone 9mm as long as 9mm is cheaper, that's just the reality of the situation.
Dumb cartridge. It's like they looked at 9mm, decided it was too potent and effective of a cartridge and decided see just how low they could really go while staying "adequate". The extra capacity isn't worth the decreased performance in other categories(bone/barrier penetration, pressure, blast, wear/tear, etc) let alone the price or fact that it'll be a dead cartridge inside of 10yrs.
I just like 9mm because it's cheaper than any other centerfire handgun cartridge. If that changes I'll probably start carrying that instead.
where does the meme that .30sc is unjustifiably expensive come from? Yeah, it's not 9mm cheap. Nothing is. Only a handful of rounds beat it out in price and not by enough to right home about
It's still more expensive than 9mm, so I'll sleep well with my 2 fewer rounds and 5 extra dollars.
1 month ago
Anonymous
23% fewer, we established this already. You lose 3 rounds in the Shield Plus, which is the only real point of comparison atm. A 15 round compact should be able to hold like 20 rounds of .30 SC, which is why I'm sad that they've only made subcompacts so far.
1 month ago
Anonymous
oh no not my 3 rounds how will I ever recover bros
Its solely because its initial offerings are guns the same size class where 9x19 is common. Had they opened with micros to compete with .32 (power gain) or .380 (capacity gain) no one would have blinked.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Note how the recoil is also literally identical to 9mm in the same guns. The retardedly high pressure will make it shoot like absolute garbage in compacts.
>Yeah, it's not 9mm cheap. Nothing is.
That’s the point >weaker than 9mm >more expensive than 9mm
Not hard to tell why people aren’t getting excited. I understand the irony because it’s the 9 vs 45 argument all over again but no one has thought 9mm lacked capacity as one of its shortcomings. At least with 10mm or .45 you get bigger and more powerful round so the price is more palatable.
Would you rather shoot .30 SC or .223? It’s basically the same cost.
Well, to the vanishingly small population that actually practices an appropriate amount. 90% of people will just buy the gun, buy some carry ammo, and let it collect dust, in which case cost isn't really a concern. I think a really good way to get more people to buy it is to sell conversion kits for m&p handguns and Glocks. Then you could always practice with your 9mm in the same gun that you'll be carrying and it gives people a low-cost excuse to try it out.
.30 Super Carry. A gun marketed to those who won't shoot it, but might need it for self-defense.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Statistically that would be the vast majority of the market... so yes.
It's not like anything stops you from shooting your 9mm just because you also bought a .30SC. And I presume you have that stock because you want to have stock, not bececause you bought a lot at once and now want to shoot them all until your stock is completely gone.
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And there's nothing to stop you from shooting the 9mm you have for training and the .30SC only to test the ammo, which doesn't take much ammo.
I think the argument to the first point is that you wouldn't be practicing with the same gun you'd use unless you bought two M&P Shield+'s. The conversion kit approach completely solves that.
That’s a fair point. At least right now though, it doesn’t seem marketed towards those people. The buyer who wants a pistol but never carries or shoots it doesn’t know about it. They know about 9mm. They know what glocks are.
The other side is even though most people don’t shoot that much, a lot think they will or buy ammo expecting to or buy ammo to stockpile. $4-5 on a box of ammo isn’t a big deal but it matters on 10 or 20. We’re all guilty of this to some degree. I have a case of 9x18 I haven’t even cracked into from 3 years ago. I like my Mak, it’s fun. But I always end up shooting other things instead
I've got a stock of 9mm, a large selection of magazines (many of which can be interchanged between my pistols), and a few holsters. When you have several thousand dollars in a certain round, "lol just buy a new gun" isn't really all that an appealing of an option.
It'd be different if it was an interesting round that did anything exceptionally better, but it isn't and doesn't.
It's not like anything stops you from shooting your 9mm just because you also bought a .30SC. And I presume you have that stock because you want to have stock, not bececause you bought a lot at once and now want to shoot them all until your stock is completely gone.
Well, to the vanishingly small population that actually practices an appropriate amount. 90% of people will just buy the gun, buy some carry ammo, and let it collect dust, in which case cost isn't really a concern. I think a really good way to get more people to buy it is to sell conversion kits for m&p handguns and Glocks. Then you could always practice with your 9mm in the same gun that you'll be carrying and it gives people a low-cost excuse to try it out.
And there's nothing to stop you from shooting the 9mm you have for training and the .30SC only to test the ammo, which doesn't take much ammo.
I carry a .380 like 75% of the time anyway so 30SC being not as good as 9x19 doesn't bother me and I'm not buying a bunch of crazy accessories for my carry guns, so it's just a holster, a couple mags, and ammo for it.
downsides
weaker then 9mm
compatibility with literally everything is gone, barrels, mags, comps, none of it will work
ammo costs more
I like everything about the concept but if it catches on it will either take away from 9mm or .380. If it takes away from .380, it'll kill that round... if it catches on.
I'm pretty ok with that
>People want
Nobody I have ever talked to wants .30 stupid carry. I want a Glock 40 MOS. I think we all do. Make that. Instead of buying what you are shilling, I am going to buy some other stuff right now. You could have made money from me 5 minutes from now.
good luck conceal carrying a longslide lmao
that said, based 10mm enjoyer
It's not even mildly popular. It's not brought up outside your circle. Go to any forum on the internet it hasn't been brought up since it's inception except by shills. How much money people want to lose developing this project is on them, I'm sure they won't raise the price of anything they sell to make up for it.
it's not really relevant if it's popular, it just needs to be popular enough for the ammo to be available. It is a sound concept, the question is if it'll stick around, and I think it will
>it just needs to be popular enough for the ammo to be available
Exactly. I can still walk into a bigbox store and buy 45GAP, 357Sig, 327Fed, and any number of other chamberings that "didn't make it".
1 month ago
Anonymous
It's still worth owning at least one .40 if only for the ease of caliber conversion. Extra flexibility is nice during an ammo crunch, one of which we're almost all but guaranteed to see again next year with the upcoming election.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>.30 stupid carry taking up 10mm shelf space.
Please no.
I like everything about the concept but if it catches on it will either take away from 9mm or .380. If it takes away from .380, it'll kill that round... if it catches on.
I like the idea of it, but unfortunately I'm a firm believer in the idea that you should train with your carry gun most of all, and that means shooting hundreds and thousands of rounds of 30SC. Shit ain't going to be cheap.
10mm good for 3 things actually. That's why it doesn't require a brigade of shills, and is more than a good thing to see on the shelf. Seeing .30SC on the shelf taking up space will just be annoying as fuck.
Dumb cartridge. It's like they looked at 9mm, decided it was too potent and effective of a cartridge and decided see just how low they could really go while staying "adequate". The extra capacity isn't worth the decreased performance in other categories(bone/barrier penetration, pressure, blast, wear/tear, etc) let alone the price or fact that it'll be a dead cartridge inside of 10yrs.
Nobody is against innovation. That being said, nobody wants .30 Super Carry for good reason already stated in this thread. Good things sell themselves and don't need this level of shilling. Also, why is this thread still a thing?
A good .30 carbine pistol would be cool. That would drive sales for .30 carbine so M1 Carbines get food, but no, .30 super gay may take space off the shelf for something worth a fuck.
All I want is an extremely small, slim, light pocket pistol chambered in Super Carry. No, smaller than that. I want a pistol suitable for a child's hands, powerful enough to kill a man. So compact I can concealed carry it in speedos. I want the lightest killing gun in the world. Like Kolibri but meaner.
It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. >the dipshit who made these meme calibers during the ammopocalypse
I hope he gets raped by a pack of wolverines.
I've never been one for carrying tiny handguns so it doesn't have much application for me over a 9mm. If I really want the extra ammo capacity, I might as well go with 5.7.
they should have called it 32 super, it was the right name. Instead they went with their focus groups and marketing dweebs and lie to us to try and squeeze out a few more shekels
I wish it catches on, I don’t care about reduced recoil, even if it was more recoil than 9mm I’d carry it due to more capacity
There's more to life than capacity, anon.
I thought suppressive fire is good.
What are you a cop?
Using innocent bystanders as backstops is a perfectly valid way to avoid unnecessary property damage.
>Using innocent bystanders as cover
Ftfy
>Jim Bob, PLEASE provide me with suppressive fire from your subcompact mouse gun. It's the only way we make it.
Have you tried not missing? These aren’t rifles and it’s not an extended gunfight.
After a certain point capacity in pistol has rapidly diminishing returns. Going from 6 to 8 is bigger than 8 to 12 which is a bigger than 12 to 18. Despite the first being 33% increase and the next two 50% increases
suppressive fire is more effective the more accurate you are.
If by, "suppressive fire" you mean "fired thru a suppressor" then, Yes, it's good.
No, but it would replace 9mm for me. I carry a .40 for superior barrier penetration anyway
>No, but it would replace 9mm for me.
Ah yes, I heccin love downgrading!!
>unironically shills for .40 soft & weak
That explains it.
>soft & weak
More like Superb & Wonderful.
>wowzers!! is that 50 ft lbs more energy in the pissin hottest load after squeezing every last grain of powder into my underpowered overbore cope cartridge? imagine da knock down powah!
>it's not like they are pretty much exactly identical throughout the whole velocity and energy bell curve!!
Why don't you shill for an actual Giga Chad cartridge like 10mm or 9x25 Dillon instead of your embarrassing glowmoron wristlet cope adaption?
>only looked at energy
the basedjack is you
there are more to bullets than velocity and energy. .40 is much more consistent in penetration, many 9mm rounds will under penetrate due to excessive expansion
>many 9mm rounds will under penetrate due to excessive expansion
Pistol rounds in general are already notoriously bad at creating the permanent wound cavities you'd prefer to see in a self defense scenario involving a other person, so I don't see why your selling point for .40 is that it's better at zipping through the target and NOT expanding.
Name ONE thing. Just ONE.
That’s right, you can’t. Checkmate. Life = capacity
Nah really though i think 30 SC would make for some really cool subcompacts. Hellcat pro in like 17/18+1 would be sweet
ft-lbs
>Name ONE thing. Just ONE
Virgin tomboys. Checkmate
Speed+Accuracy+Shot Placement= Life. You don't have to mag dump if you can shoot worth a fuck.
So this argument is valid against cartridges more powerful than 9mm, but not against 9mm. Why do they think like this?
You love to see it.
>I hope it catches on.
If it has half as much success as .357 sig did, doubtful as even that is, I'd consider it a success. That said it probably won't.
I think a Glock 17 or 19 sized gun, something full-size-ish chambered in it would be pretty neat.
.357 Sig was the answer to a question literally no one asked, while Super Carry has tangible benefits, especially for subcompact enjoyers like myself.
That comment wasn't really meant to be a comment on the effectiveness of .357 Sig, more the level of success I think .30 SC should shoot for as a gauge to see if it's ever going to anything more than another .45 GAP or .327 magnum. Say what you will about the effectiveness of .357 Sig, it has at least seen some limited success financially between Secret Service, Air Marshals, and a few assorted state police agencies.
>no one asked
The Texas DPS asked.
.357 sig is the best handgun cartridge you can carry. Its better than 9mm, .40, .45, and 10mm
>.357 sig
Adopted by several agencies, then immediately dropped. Also a dead meme with no future and barely no past. Even SIG doesn't make guns for it anymore.
>Your thoughts?
Another fucking scamround by an ammo company to try to juice sales with something higher profit and get people to buy new guns and ammo for absolutely zero real world benefit.
>I hope it catches on.
I hope it dies hard, though instead it'll probably just sit around in meme status for ages. People pushing this garbage on PrepHole have been irritating though.
Literally the most retarded consoooomer cartridge released so far. It doesn't even pretend to fill a niche, because the moron gays at federal know full well there isn't a niche to fill. It's wimpier than 9mm in every configuration despite being 42% more pressure. People can already carry 17 rounds of more powerful 9mm in a full sized G17 or 15 rounds in a sub-compact G19. Why would they carry 19 rounds of superfaggy, which not only is much more expensive, less ubiquitous and weaker?
It's like these braindead moronS tried filling the gap between .380 and 9mm, but it turned out there was no gap there.
It kicks like a 9, which rules out the ultra subcompact or lady guns sections of the market. The only market for this is autistic self defense minmaxers, and that market is also willing to carry compacts or even fullsize guns and just deal with the inconvenience. There's no lucrative niche, and there's only a few guns in the caliber. When Glock comes out with a .30 SC model, then you'll know it has legs, just like the Glock 20 saved 10mm. But really, if you are serious about CCing just learn to conceal a larger gun, you'll shoot much better. Otherwise, a ultracompact with 10-13 rounds is gud enuff
I'd like for it to catch on. I think it makes more sense than a 9mm, but unfortunately it's very difficult to introduce a new caliber unless it fits a new niche. I'm doubtful that being a little better than 9mm is enough to get a foot into the market, but I'd like to be proven wrong.
But then again, it's still new. Maybe some new guns will get introduced that'll make it more popular.
But even if it manages to stay alive it won't be nearly as popular as 9mm leading to higher prices which may make 9mm the better choice still.
327 Federal Chad here. If it makes .32 bullets more widely available for the handloader then I'm all for it.
why would they invent this when 7.62 tok exists?
Why does that cringy mongoloid meme exist when .30 Luger already existed?
because 7.62 tok is actually still produced and has guns chambered for it?
So is 9mm. I'm asking why 7.62 mongoloid was invented when 7.63 Parabellum had already existed during the time of its development. It's literally a shameless copy.
Something something licensing and manufacturing rights.
>It's literally a shameless copy.
Good job, answering your own question. Soviets wanted something in .30 so they could use the same tooling that they used for rifle barrels and the dimensional similarities made it so that you could use 7.63 in a tok if you really needed to.
Because .30 Luger is bottlenecked. You don’t gain a capacity advantage vs 9mm
Anon, 7.62 tokarev cases are as wide as 9mm. You're missing the entire point.
Why not a .380 then?
Is this a troll post?
Not as much a troll post as shilling .30 super carry.
Anon, 380 cases are as wide as 9mm cases. You're missing the entire point.
Try a mag change then.
The point of 30 SC was to use a smaller case head for higher mag capacity. Going from 9mm to 380 offers zero benefit unless you’re a recoil-shy woman. 30SC offers 2 or 3 rounds extra capacity, works out to like 10-15%. Most valuable in tiny subcompacts
An extended baseplate adds another 2rds of capacity. Another mag for a glock is another 17 rounds. You can get 33rd mags and drums for a glock as reloads if you are worried about capacity and the ammo is on the shelves right now.
Extra capacity for the same mag length*
That same mag length, extra capacity is going to cost you:
Parts commonality
Ammo availability
Mag interchangability
Just change the mag out. A glock mag fits in your back pocket.
An extended baseplate would add 3 rounds for 30 SC.
Look dumbass if size/capacity means nothing to you then no one's stopping you from carrying 30 round extendo mags. For those of us in the real world, packing more rounds in a smaller package is an all around good idea.
>packing more rounds in a smaller package is an all around good idea.
I‘m sure unpaid 30 superfaggy shills know all about carrying tiny packages.
And those equivalent mags in .30SC would hold even more. What don’t you get?
It might be unnecessary (I think it is) but there is a very real increase
>The point of 30 SC
Was to generate revenue for 0 innovation in cartridges AND firearms. It's almost admirable how little faggeral even tried with this one and how quickly it will die. It's just as gay as .338 faggeral and .40 shit and weak.
If you took a hellcat pro or p365xl chambered in 30sc which would give you 2 extra rounds, You'd have 14+1 then if you got one of those spring kits you'd have 16+1 in a flushfitting mag, 18+1 in a pinky extension Mag in a p365xl. In a micro compact p365 you could get 14+1 in a flush mag and 16+1 in a pinky extension. You'd get more rounds than a Glock 17 in a gun half the size, that's pretty cool to me. That's the niche, so idk why people are saying there isn't one.
Exactly. It’s a great round for taking capacity to the nth degree. There are other costs, but still, it’s good for that niche
It is a niche and it will have some followers. But when you factor in a new gun cost and cost of ammo how many buy in? Yeah have full sized capacity in a subcompact frame is awesome. But I really don’t feel undergunned with 11+1 or 13+1 with my Hellcat. I don’t see where I’d fire 12 rounds from a pistol and lose and the determining factor is having another 3-5 rounds
How does changing a mag give you more .380 ammo than 9mm?
How dumb are you?
.22lr
.25
.38
.380
9mm
.357
.44mag
.45ACP
.50AE
Etc.
Yeah we need another random ass caliber to fill some sort of niche role that is expenive and hard to find and uses up primers, brass, powder and lead that was needed for something else. What a gay name for a meme round.
I'm wondering if this is the brainchild of some elden boomer and all the aspiring boomers are buffing his cock, shilling this round for him in order to gain boomer clout. This shit needs to die before people waste money on it.
Also when I shill something it's typically in the best interest of everyone like .308 battle rifles, ar-15's, good 1911's and glocks, etc.
Meme cartridges for meme guns carried by meme people.
All this does is waste brass, lead, copper and primers that could be used in an ACTUAL cartridge that is ACTUALLY chambered in ACTUAL guns owned, carried and shot by ACTUAL people.
It's a decent option for people who happen to like the specific tradeoffs in it. As far as <9mm pistol calibres go, it is a much better concept than 5.7 for sure. And the modern world has space for many uncommon calibres, why not one more.
We need the components for something else like something common.
>We need the components for something else
Oh please. Very few people are going to buy an extra pistol to carry .30SC, rather than "because I felt like it". And noone's going to stockpile large amounts of .30SC.
If very few people are going to carry it and buy a good amount of ammo for it, why the fuck should companies sell it and make stuff for it. If a caliber dies then you are stuck with a paperweight or stuck reloading the same cases until they split. $100 for a box of 20 .30 super carry in 10 years doesn't sound like that good of an idea. If you want capacity, they sell mag extensions and extended mags for guns that are worth a shit.
You don't know how many people will use it. I'm saying, the people who will buy a .30SC on top of their existing pistols might just as well have bought another pistol instead.
>If a caliber dies then you are stuck with a paperweight or stuck reloading the same cases
Even if it never becomes very popular, there's no reason to assume ammo will stop being made at all.
off the top of your head, name one cartridge introduced by a major ammo manufacturer that just suddenly disappeared and is no longer available for purchase
.410
.45 GAP. Also .327 federal is basically dead which is a shame. Even .260 Remington is basically dead (though easily reloaded) even though it is 6.5 creedmoor 10 years before it 6.5CM even existed
>.327 federal
Don't remind me anon. I love this round
Same. I never owned one because it died by the time I had money for non-standard guns. I thought it was (still is) a great idea
>If you want capacity, they sell mag extensions and extended mags for guns that are worth a shit.
I want it to succeed because I like to see new cartridges come on the market. I want more wildcats too.
love watching 9mm fags turn into the new .45ACP fudds. the future is now old man.
This guy lives off corndogs and vanilla yogurt ONLY ffs.
>average 30 superfaggy consooomer is a corn syrup addict soiboi with severely underdeveloped lower mandibles
I believe it.
Useless, dead end cartridge. Hold a memorial service for it and move on.
I think its cool. I'm glad companies try to do something different every once in a while.
I'd be interested in a Glock 43 and 43x chambered for it with metal mags and a compensator like the Radian Ramjet from the factory. 10-12 rounds in the 43 and 17
rounds in the 43x. The integrated comp would be very effective considering the cartridge pressure. You effectively end up with guns equivalent to the Glock 26 and Glock 17 but significantly smaller and lighter.
cartridge not needed
One thing I don't understand is why this has been shilled on PrepHole so hard for awhile now. I mean, I guess on launch naturally it being new it'd get spammed and shitposted with etc, but what's the point now? And PrepHole is a minnow of an audience, yeah 4chingchong itself is sizable but most of that goes to /a/, /b/, /v/ etc.
Not much else to talk about, especially when it comes to handguns.
Because 30 superchud shills are mentally ill and can't simply be normal like their wife's bull who shoots 9mm.
My wife's bull shoots .45 and fucks your wife's bull's wife.
Fuck ya wife
>9mmdittor immediately starts making cuckolding references unprompted
I just like .30 super duper carry because it exposes 9mmfags as the stoppan powah fudds they always accused everyone else of being.
>you are le projecting cuckold fetishist for saying my wife gets railed by chads
>here is a chud meme
Post I quoted mentioned trannies first you blind retard. Post guns or go back to 4chanddit. Verification not required.
357mag and 10mm aren't chud, are they? Maybe if the backup trannies were 357sig and 40s&w, then yeah.
There's nothing wrong with them as calibers, they (mostly 10mm) just occupy a weird place where the get the shit shilled out of them. .357 is especially economical because you can practice with .38 special.
t. reloads and owns guns in .32, .380, .38 special, 9mm mak, 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 magnum, and hopefully 10mm and .45 super soon.
>.357 is especially economical because you can practice with .38 special.
I wish that were still true. It's hard to get a good price on .38 now, if you can even find it it'll probably be notably more than 9mm.
I know what might help lower the price and up availabilty of .38spl.
Everyone getting off their ass and getting a job again?
I just like 9mm because it's cheaper than any other centerfire handgun cartridge. If that changes I'll probably start carrying that instead.
Paul Harrel didn't see much expansion with the hollow points I think. I'll stick with 9mm HP and .380 ball.
Make reliable 10mm pistols that are long slide, optics ready, can handle all available rounds and have good capacity. .30SC probably isn't as good for bears.
9mm for cost
.40 s&w for carry
10mm for bears
.38 special for crimes
The only pistol cartridges that matter.
benefits
like 15% more capacity
downsides
maybe slightly weaker then 9mm? (that barely matters honestly)
compatibility with literally everything is gone, barrels, mags, comps, none of it will work
ammo costs more
this is useful in the context of subcompacts if you know the tradeoffs, and I do imagine it'll catch on, but I don't think it's gonna replace 9mm any time soon
Can all of you stop getting angry at nothing now please?
10->13 rounds in the shield+ is a 30% increase.
akshually it's a 23% increase
but yea fair enough
You used the wrong denominator. 10 rounds is a 23% decrease from 13, but 13 rounds is a 30% increase from 10 (1 - 10/13 vs 13/10).
I am retarded
Isn't it the same old song
>New thing is slightly better than old thing
>No one wants to deal with adopting new thing because the cost of changing is high
>Old thing keeps going forever
It's probably not as big of a problem when it comes to calibers but I've actually declined some jobs because I don't want to deal with computer systems that are older than myself.
well this is the kind of thing where being slightly better is actually worth going for, people want more capacity for less size so it's tempting
for comparison, the M2 will keep going on forever because there isn't really any metric you can really improve on that's worth going for
>People want
Nobody I have ever talked to wants .30 stupid carry. I want a Glock 40 MOS. I think we all do. Make that. Instead of buying what you are shilling, I am going to buy some other stuff right now. You could have made money from me 5 minutes from now.
The nice thing about pistol calibres is that the cost of changing amounts to a single pistol.
I'd argue one of the most important factors is the price of ammunition. Nothing will become more popular than 9mm as long as 9mm is cheaper. Nothing will become cheaper than 9mm as long as 9mm is more popular. You see the issue
>You should use 9mm because I'm poor
Not really the compelling argument you thought it was...
What are you talking about anon? For most people price is an important factor. Even wealthy people care about price. Nothing will dethrone 9mm as long as 9mm is cheaper, that's just the reality of the situation.
where does the meme that .30sc is unjustifiably expensive come from? Yeah, it's not 9mm cheap. Nothing is. Only a handful of rounds beat it out in price and not by enough to right home about
It's still more expensive than 9mm, so I'll sleep well with my 2 fewer rounds and 5 extra dollars.
23% fewer, we established this already. You lose 3 rounds in the Shield Plus, which is the only real point of comparison atm. A 15 round compact should be able to hold like 20 rounds of .30 SC, which is why I'm sad that they've only made subcompacts so far.
oh no not my 3 rounds how will I ever recover bros
>whats da pwobwem with a weaker wound being more expensive and wess ubiquitous and chambered in like two guns??
Its solely because its initial offerings are guns the same size class where 9x19 is common. Had they opened with micros to compete with .32 (power gain) or .380 (capacity gain) no one would have blinked.
Note how the recoil is also literally identical to 9mm in the same guns. The retardedly high pressure will make it shoot like absolute garbage in compacts.
>Yeah, it's not 9mm cheap. Nothing is.
That’s the point
>weaker than 9mm
>more expensive than 9mm
Not hard to tell why people aren’t getting excited. I understand the irony because it’s the 9 vs 45 argument all over again but no one has thought 9mm lacked capacity as one of its shortcomings. At least with 10mm or .45 you get bigger and more powerful round so the price is more palatable.
Would you rather shoot .30 SC or .223? It’s basically the same cost.
Cost of ammo is a bigger factor
Well, to the vanishingly small population that actually practices an appropriate amount. 90% of people will just buy the gun, buy some carry ammo, and let it collect dust, in which case cost isn't really a concern. I think a really good way to get more people to buy it is to sell conversion kits for m&p handguns and Glocks. Then you could always practice with your 9mm in the same gun that you'll be carrying and it gives people a low-cost excuse to try it out.
.30 Super Carry. A gun marketed to those who won't shoot it, but might need it for self-defense.
Statistically that would be the vast majority of the market... so yes.
I think the argument to the first point is that you wouldn't be practicing with the same gun you'd use unless you bought two M&P Shield+'s. The conversion kit approach completely solves that.
That’s a fair point. At least right now though, it doesn’t seem marketed towards those people. The buyer who wants a pistol but never carries or shoots it doesn’t know about it. They know about 9mm. They know what glocks are.
The other side is even though most people don’t shoot that much, a lot think they will or buy ammo expecting to or buy ammo to stockpile. $4-5 on a box of ammo isn’t a big deal but it matters on 10 or 20. We’re all guilty of this to some degree. I have a case of 9x18 I haven’t even cracked into from 3 years ago. I like my Mak, it’s fun. But I always end up shooting other things instead
I've got a stock of 9mm, a large selection of magazines (many of which can be interchanged between my pistols), and a few holsters. When you have several thousand dollars in a certain round, "lol just buy a new gun" isn't really all that an appealing of an option.
It'd be different if it was an interesting round that did anything exceptionally better, but it isn't and doesn't.
It's not like anything stops you from shooting your 9mm just because you also bought a .30SC. And I presume you have that stock because you want to have stock, not bececause you bought a lot at once and now want to shoot them all until your stock is completely gone.
And there's nothing to stop you from shooting the 9mm you have for training and the .30SC only to test the ammo, which doesn't take much ammo.
I carry a .380 like 75% of the time anyway so 30SC being not as good as 9x19 doesn't bother me and I'm not buying a bunch of crazy accessories for my carry guns, so it's just a holster, a couple mags, and ammo for it.
>.380
benefits
downsides
weaker then 9mm
compatibility with literally everything is gone, barrels, mags, comps, none of it will work
ammo costs more
I'm pretty ok with that
good luck conceal carrying a longslide lmao
that said, based 10mm enjoyer
It's not even mildly popular. It's not brought up outside your circle. Go to any forum on the internet it hasn't been brought up since it's inception except by shills. How much money people want to lose developing this project is on them, I'm sure they won't raise the price of anything they sell to make up for it.
it's not really relevant if it's popular, it just needs to be popular enough for the ammo to be available. It is a sound concept, the question is if it'll stick around, and I think it will
>it just needs to be popular enough for the ammo to be available
Exactly. I can still walk into a bigbox store and buy 45GAP, 357Sig, 327Fed, and any number of other chamberings that "didn't make it".
It's still worth owning at least one .40 if only for the ease of caliber conversion. Extra flexibility is nice during an ammo crunch, one of which we're almost all but guaranteed to see again next year with the upcoming election.
>.30 stupid carry taking up 10mm shelf space.
Please no.
I like everything about the concept but if it catches on it will either take away from 9mm or .380. If it takes away from .380, it'll kill that round... if it catches on.
Everyone needs to start carrying 10mm, that'll solve it.
I like the idea of it, but unfortunately I'm a firm believer in the idea that you should train with your carry gun most of all, and that means shooting hundreds and thousands of rounds of 30SC. Shit ain't going to be cheap.
Needs a submachinegun with lots of capacity, I'm thinking an MP7 lookalike
10mm hard cast good for bears. .30 super carry only good for one thing.
chud suicides?
Nah, that's what 12 gauge is for.
10mm good for 3 things actually. That's why it doesn't require a brigade of shills, and is more than a good thing to see on the shelf. Seeing .30SC on the shelf taking up space will just be annoying as fuck.
Can the samefagging 10mm poster please stop? Nobody gives a shit about your "bear gun."
Can the .30 shitty carry thread just die? Stupid thread is struggling to stay on page 2 with me trolling it.
You have never seen a bear in your life outside of a zoo
Probably because all those bears caught 10mm hard cast and died.
How many bears has .30 South Carolina killed?
Dumb cartridge. It's like they looked at 9mm, decided it was too potent and effective of a cartridge and decided see just how low they could really go while staying "adequate". The extra capacity isn't worth the decreased performance in other categories(bone/barrier penetration, pressure, blast, wear/tear, etc) let alone the price or fact that it'll be a dead cartridge inside of 10yrs.
>.30"super carry"
>Not 7.92x24VBR-S
The 50ksi chamber pressure (70ksi proof) and compatibility with 9x19 guns is interesting.
NOOOOOO I HATE THE NEW BULLET STOP INOVATING STOP FUCKING INOVATING!!!!!!
Nobody is against innovation. That being said, nobody wants .30 Super Carry for good reason already stated in this thread. Good things sell themselves and don't need this level of shilling. Also, why is this thread still a thing?
A good .30 carbine pistol would be cool. That would drive sales for .30 carbine so M1 Carbines get food, but no, .30 super gay may take space off the shelf for something worth a fuck.
.30 cal is shit. That is for pistols and for rifles btw. Oh and .30 superchud isn't even a true .308 cal. It's 0.311.
Turdy Sucky-Cocky is the caliber of choice for Transgender Suicide.
Fuck .30 super scary.
All I want is an extremely small, slim, light pocket pistol chambered in Super Carry. No, smaller than that. I want a pistol suitable for a child's hands, powerful enough to kill a man. So compact I can concealed carry it in speedos. I want the lightest killing gun in the world. Like Kolibri but meaner.
I want a 3-5 shot mag fed pocket gun in .14 flea. Get on it kel tec
I hope S&W comes out with the CSX in super carry.
It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
>the dipshit who made these meme calibers during the ammopocalypse
I hope he gets raped by a pack of wolverines.
Meme caliber.
I don't understand why I would take this over just going full 5.7mm
I've never been one for carrying tiny handguns so it doesn't have much application for me over a 9mm. If I really want the extra ammo capacity, I might as well go with 5.7.
I NEED A GLOCK 17 CHAMBERED IN
30SC I NEED A GLOCK 17 CHAMBERED IN
30SC I NEED A GLOCK 17 CHAMBERED IN
30SC I NEED A GLOCK 17 CHAMBERED IN
30SC
Me personally, I'm waiting for .32 Super Duper Carry to come out. That will be a revolutionary game changer when it hits the market soon.
they should have called it 32 super, it was the right name. Instead they went with their focus groups and marketing dweebs and lie to us to try and squeeze out a few more shekels
>32 super, it was the right name.
No you don’t get it
>32 = weak and tiny mouse gun
>30 = big strong man caliber like the M1 and M14
I’m working on a 35 super carry magnum. Gonna be game changer. You lose a little capacity but gain power and penetration over 30SC.
I'll consider these guns when they rebarrel them for 9mm and take glock mags.
How much did you spend on making dies? We will help you recover the loss, but you need to listen to what we want. I actually kinda feel bad.
The carry caliber war is over. There's only one question left - Thumb safety or no thumb safety?
>Overpriced peashooter bullets
No thx anon