2S38 Derivaciya

Is this thing meant to use the same 57mm round as the S-60 and ZSU-57?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >57mm
    For what purpose?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia settled for 57mm autocannons because they're higher caliber than 35mm and 40mm the decadent West is using
      Same reason why Armata is supposed to use 152mm gun

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But 57 is less than 75 and 152 is less than 155

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The West does use 57mm guns, moron.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The West does use 57mm guns, moron.

          Only on ships. And it is really not that good, clip fed instead of belt fed and not water cooled which cuts heavily into burst length and sustained fire rates.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Bofors/BAe 57 isn't clip fed dumbass. And water-cooling would be an easy upgrade (if ever deemed necessary) since it used to be water-cooled in it's previous marks.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, its gun is based on the S-60

      SPAA. apparently they thought 25mm and 30mm weren't doing enough damage, something about a guided 57mm round for better hit probability

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how high is the chance that if these guns if ever used are just reburbished s-60 guns?

        >guided russian shell
        nah they just want to use the old stockpile of 57mm rounds

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I would be shocked if they weren't, Russia already modernized their S-60 for use in the Baikal remote weapon system that they slapped on a bunch of their vaporware vehicles including some variants of the BMP-3 that the Derivaciya is also on the chassis of

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't know about guided but 35mm is rather small for a proximity fuzed shell so they might see more benefits in getting a larger shell.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Boom boom boom boom.
          >XM913 wants you in its room

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably vs drones

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it uses UOR-281.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A short fat cartridge limits ammo stovage, they should neck it out for a larger shell.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With the right APFSDS ammo it could cut through just about any IFV and threaten MBTs from the side or rear. But given the current Russian state of things they wouldn't even have access to such ammo for the handful of vehicles with this autocannon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did they even build any APFSDS rounds for this, apart from mockups for sales?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As far as I know the only NATO counterpart to that caliber (beyond some prototypes) was the 57mm Bofors and that didn't really see any notable sales for ground use. The US Army focused on the 75mm Skysweeper about the same time but I don't think they ever tried to put it on a vehicle.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The closest NATO counterpart would be frekain' WWII leftover 6-pounder shells.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No idea if they managed to make a smart fuze like the Bofors 57 3p.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, they made stickers of a cutaway for how the insides would look if they could afford to build them, but they haven't actually been built

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. It was supposed to be the next inexpensive counter to small drones, but never materialized. I remember it being "about to enter state trials" in 2016 or 17.
    It's 2024 and no adoption in sight, I'm not even sure the programmable ammo passed the tests yet.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why it's turret is so small compared to Gepard or Skynex?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Remote operated*~~ No crewmens in turret*~~ Just like Armata and autoloaders*~~
      If West so advanced why do everything by hand?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what i dont get about soviet post war flak like ks-19 ,s-60 or zsu-57-2 is that they had 0(zero) automatic systems for gun laying. even german 88mm batteries had kommandogeräte for automatic gun laying. they all were completly useless in the jet age

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i have to correct myself they had these type of gun laying systems (even copied the germans) for ks-19 and s-60 but they didnt bother to integrate it into the zsu-57-2 where the gunner had to estimate the range of the target lmao

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The S-60 single gun towed system was able to be slaved to a fire control system and a few different kinds of radars but the ZSU-57-2 was not. It was actually understood that a battery of 6 radar directed single guns was overall better than 8 total guns from 4 self propelled SPAAGs so I don't really know why they bothered with the vehicle mounted version

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >so I don't really know why they bothered with the vehicle mounted version
          Mobility. Towed guns can't properly keep up with and protect fast-moving tank/mechanized units.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The airborne IFVs have not done at well in Ukraine. They should be used as a support gun for fortified infantry, sticking to close terrain providing additional concealment and cover. The Russians keep yeeting them into normal IFV column attacks over open plains, They die in that role.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bring up the DRACO!

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's an Abrams killer in War Thunder. Plane killer, too.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Any HE round kills it, even WW2 stuff.
      A good HESH to the upper hull and it's dead.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's great. I had APFSDS loaded, hit it from the side, and unfortunately was 5 inches off to the right, and only grazed the crew.
        He started firing, disabled my my gun instantly, then the second or third shot went through my turret ring and vaporized everyone.
        True story.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yea some rounds don't spall at all.
          Ironically, Chinese darts has some of the best spalling at that BR range.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is this the thing that was in the broken arrow beta

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Cyberpunk 2020 BMP-3 is real

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm pretty sure someone somewhere considered putting AMX-13 turret on BMP chassis.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In a way, the 2S38 is effectively the successor of the PT-76-57 (PT-76E).

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