>25 caliber
>quiet
>50 FPE
>Is rated for coyotes and medium game
>cheap
>can buy thousands of slugs for under $100
>can hit a coin sized target at 80-100 yards
Should I get it? I've been hunting with 22lr, but it seems like a fun varmint exterminator.
Sure
Hunting without earpro is great. 22LR is better in all other ways.
The thing with pcp air rifles, it that the compressor will cost hundreds of dollars. You cant just get a compressor from Home Depot and be good. These things need scuba compressors that generate thousands, not hundreds, of PSI.
Hand pumps used to be like $300, but they're a lot less since Hatsan and other turkshit got into the game.
Yeah, but hand pumps are so incredibly slow and tiring to use that you'll hate your life. Heck even the compressors which cost a few hundred bucks are dreadfully slow.
The practical options are getting a serious compressor which costs way over a grand, or having a dive shop fill your tanks. That's cheap, though it has a disadvantage in that most dive shops won't fill above 3500psi while some airguns and tanks can use higher.
Hand pumps aren't bad for hunting since you don't fire that many shots. I can see them sucking pretty bad for target shooting.
>pumps are so incredibly slow
I wonder if a sort of gas generator would work in place of a compressor: take a pellet, stick in a chamber, close it, light it electrically or with a primer, pellet reacts and slowly burns or decompose into gas, pressurizing a tank. Would be expensive in the long run probably. I wonder if there's actually something that can sustain the reaction up to high pressure.
Sounds like a fun with extra steps
No, I think anon is on to something here.
How about an exothermic powder? You could even create a combination of gas-producing powder, ignition, and even the projectile. All the gun would have to do is trigger the igniton.
sounds stupid, take your meds
dive shops aren't the only place to get non-oxygen tanks filled though, brewery supply places do co2 but thats "food grade" stuff. welding supply maybe? they like tanks.
Just get the compressor and plink in your basement. "Dreadfully slow" is still only about a minute for an onboard cylinder (much smaller than a dive tank)
I deal with welding supply places a lot for my work. They generally don't fill tanks in-house, they exchange your empty tank for their full one. Getting a big nitrogen tank from a welding shop and then using that to refill your airgun could be a solid plan though you'd need the correct regulator/valve for doing so. Welding nitrogen is very very cheap. But the problem is the standard pressures welding shops tend to have. The most common nitrogen tanks are 3000 psi. That's usable for airguns but it's a bit on the low side. There are also 6000 psi tanks. Those would be fantastic, with a regulator you could fill 3500-4500 psi as your gun requires. But the trouble with 6k nitrogen tanks is that they're heavy AF due to how thick they are so they're a big hassle to move around, and most places don't stock that high pressure and have to order it in. It's also a lot more expensive to rent or buy the tank, the regulator you'd need is also expensive.
You want to use dive shops because it’s a rich man’s hobby and they treat your tanks really well and the air is for breathing, which means they pass it through more filters before it hits your tank, and is better and more consistent on the internals if you get really into airguns than air from eg paintball shops.
Please don’t fill your airguns with nitrogen they are designed to be used with regular air
also “dive shops don’t fill high enough” is extremely outdated device in my experience, i’ve never met a dive shop that won’t fill you to 4500 psi which is where the high end air tanks top out for scba tanks
>Please don’t fill your airguns with nitrogen they are designed to be used with regular air
Anon, regular air is 70% nitrogen, just exactly what sort of harm do you think will come from using it? Especially when you yourself bring up consistency? The mixture of air varies. Nitrogen is nitrogen
>but but but purity
Even the shittiest grade of industrial nitrogen is more pure than "air". And if you really have your panties in a twist about it you can buy special high-purity nitrogen. It costs about 3x what the regular stuff costs but it's purified to the extent that it is used for calibrating laboratory instruments.
YMMV of course. Mine only fills to 3500. I still use them for the convenience though. I don't trust the safety of chinkshit compressors and I'm not willing to shell out for a proper one. Meanwhile the local dive shop is convenient and fills up my "Great White" tank quickly.
you know come to think of it i’m not sure why nitrogen wouldn’t work fine, the gas constants are within five percent… i may just be repeating old lore from my early days airgunning
surprised about your dive shop, across three states the last decade i haven’t run into a dive shop that didn’t hit 4500 (ie it’s been 10 years since I had the problem)
Maybe you were thinking of oxygen?
in any case i think i was probably wrong
You were probably thinking of nitrous oxide.
Paintball stores, buy a 300bar big scuba tank and have them fill it up for ten bucks and bam no compressor needed just make sure you buy it specifically for pcp or you won't be able to get even close to filling it
you can get a decent compressor at Harbor Freight/Princess Auto for 300 bucks
Those go up to 135 psi max. You need one that goes up to at least 3000 psi, preferably 4500.
That said, a yong heng compressor is about $300.
found a chinkshit one in 10 seconds for 200
https://www.amazon.com/NUOGE-Compressor-Paintball-Automotive-Oil-moisture/dp/B0BZ7F8H8V
it'll probably catch fire as soon as you plug it in and only work twice after that before needing RMA(at your shipping expense) but whatever
TIL these things are cheap because tons of people are using them to refill/modify their shocks on automotive suspensions. i found another one that was 400-odd and the only hard data on it not from commentswas "compatible with maybach"
I've been using one of these for years, but if I had to do it again, I'd get one with an automatic shutoff
https://www.ebay.com/itm/314609974472
Makes me nervous every time (hpa always does), but so far nothing has exploded or caught fire. The only change I've made is to upgrade the water pump to a $15 one that circulates more water
Those are the ones I was referring to which are dreadfully slow. An air compressor which will do 4000psi that isn't absurdly slow requires far more power than a normal wall outlet can supply. It has either a small gas engine or it's hard-wired 240V.
You can't use hand pumps for the lethal pcps.
You absolutely can, it just takes fucking forever to pump.
ive got used 6l 300bar scuba tank for me pcp. Filling it up cost me like two beers at a local scuba shop and it last months at least.
most people are out of shape but for a VERY long time i was pumping rifles to 3500psi with a hill hand pump. Sure it takes half an hour, but you get a pretty okay workout to it!
I ran a paintball store in my 20s the staggering amount of people that didn't listen and thought they could just fill up a 90ci tank with their 200 dollar compressor was hilarious when they'd come back
what's good value for a pcp airgun? OP's model looks like it retails for 300–330 USD.
https://gunsandammo.com/editorial/umarex-origin-25-caliber-airgun-full-review/464247
That's very cheap for a PCP airgun. I couldn't tell you how good it is, I've never shot one. But it's a hell of a lot cheaper than any PCP air rifle I've owned.
The price floor used to be like $1000. Entry level dropped to $300 around 2016, again because of turkshit.
"hmm this looks cheap and fun but has a certain döner-gunsmith aura to it – is this a turkshit thread in disguise?" is exactly why i reverse-searched OP's image
i just saw a huge price range and this best-of article that literally starts with
>Sig Sauer MCX
and i realised i'd rather spend all day drawing red vs. grey squirrel basedjaks than have to hear sigger sponcon about how *even* for pellet gunz, they're STILL da best
https://sportsmans.com/best-pellet-guns-for-squirrel-hunting
>top 6
>all low-end brands
Lol. Where's the FX? Daystate? BSA? Ataman?
what are higher-end features that matter? nice-to-haves? any shortcut into reading up on this if you know guns but fuckall about BB and pellet guns
Air guns are gay. I have a 10/22 and an oil filter suppressor which I invite the GayTF to come and take.
>what are higher-end features that matter?
Accuracy. Trigger feel. The quality of the regulator and whether or not you can adjust it easily--note that many PCP airguns aren't regulated at all. Some have the ability to change barrels so you can swap different calibers--that may or may not be important to you.
I don't know of any super shortcuts for learning but the Pyramid Air and Airguns of Arizona websites have a lot of good articles in their blog, reviews, and on their "resources" page. I've found the Youtube channels AirArmsHuntingSA, Ted's HoldOver, and Squirrel Hunter Channel to be informative without a lot of BS.
alright, i'll look into those. thanko
Don't buy that.
That looks like a fun one. I like to plink with a .25. How much is that compared to an air venturi Avenger or Umarex Gauntlet 2? The avenger is regulated, which has it's pros and cons, and the Gauntlet goes up to .30 - better for medium game.
>costs as much as .22lr per shot
.25 air guns only make sense if you're a bong.
>quiet
just sight in your .22lr with subsonic ammo and stop drooling over this child's toy
If you are in a situation where you can't get firearms or ammo easily then go for it. The only problem I see with the airguns is they can leak air.
>umarex
I don't think I really trust Umarex. Just something about them; they make cheap junk and I don't trust the cheap junk maker to also make nice stuff. Shit, Crosman is making PCPs under the Benjamin name and cheap IIRC. I'd rather Crosman over Umarex any day for slightly more.
What about Hatsan or air ventury?
Hatsan is Turkish IIRC and I've never owned Hatsan stuff but haven't heard anything too horrible about them. Air Venturi I've heard of but never owned and I found this in their "about us":
>Air Venturi is the importer for leading international airgun, ammo and accessory manufacturers such as Air Arms, Ataman, Beeman, Diana, Evanix, Feinwerkbau, Haendler & Natermann, and Kral. As a distributor Air Venturi also carries a full line of products from leading local manufacturers including AirForce, Anschutz, Benjamin, Beretta, Browning, BSA, Colt, Crosman, Daisy, Gamo, Hawke, Smith & Wesson, Tanfoglio, Umarex, Walther, Webley, Weihrauch, Winchester and many more.
Basically they're an importer. YMMV on their stuff because they're an importer. I trust the Pyramyd Air blog more than anyone when it comes to airguns. IIRC he isn't afraid to say it's shit or it broke when it's the case. And he's a collector of air rifles too so he's not some random "d00d look at this thing I totally didn't get paid to write a good review of" guy.
There's a company called S-Beam Precision that makes and exports an insane number of air guns and parts - including the Air Venturi Avenger (Nova Vista Leviathan) and Daisy 880.
Hatsan is good. I have the flashpup and it’s a really great rifle. It shoots half inch groups at 50 yards with no wind. I also have an fx carbine that shoots just as good but the hatsan has more power behind it so wind holds aren’t as bad and it certainly hits harder. I’ve shot a lot of rifles and I hatsans are the best bang for the buck.
Pcp rifles have their place even over suppressed 22s.
Is your Hatsan in .22? How many shots can you get and does it leak air?
For Hatsan I have a Blitz (.25), two Flashes (.22, .25), and two Air Tacts (.177, .25). They're all fun, cheap, and haven't failed me yet. Their refurbished deals are really good.
I only have one Air Venturi, an Avenger bullpup in .177. It's consistent but a little awkward. It's fun though, and never seems to run out of air.
I think Benjamin Marauders have the best triggers near that price range, and the JTS Airacuda Max has the most features.
Is it ok to shoot airguns at the public shooting range?
Yeah
they will bully you
But I'm in California.
They'll still bully you. t. lives in California
Yeah I’ve seen teenagers take airsoft guns to the range and pay for range time with actual money, pretty fucking funny if you ask me.
How exactly they are going to bully me? I read that range rules and it says pellet guns are allowed.
You’ll hear snickering from the other shooters in between the deafening gun shots, because you forgot that you brought a toy to the firing range and didn’t bring hearing protection.
>toy
>can't buy if you're not 18
>can hunt small game
No need for hearing protection and can target practice on paper at a 50 yard line. I think I wouldn't care what some boomers and fudds think lol.
>No need for hearing protection
>At a shooting range
Ok retard, go try it and see how that goes.
Yeah Angeles Firing Line, they have signs saying they don’t give a fuck what you’re shooting as long as you do it safely.
Yeah I’m sure the big muscley Armenian bro with Armani sunglasses, a tan SCAR H and matching tan Mk23 was a cop, so was the fat greasy Asian guy with the RPK and VN M16, and the old dude next to me shooting a tricked out AR off a tripod.
>big muscley Armenian bro
Cop
>fat greasy Asian
Cop
>old dude next to me shooting a tricked out AR off a tripod
Retired glowie.
Yeah dude I’m sure everyone at the range was cops, lmao
Not everyone but cops usually hang out at ranges.
Yeah and they are very visible because they can’t help but play dress up and display their badges all the time, regardless nobody gets harassed either way, range rules.
People who run the range know them. Do you really think they would risk their business by letting some random normie shoot what's illegal ?
The owner of the range is Merle from the Walking Dead, he wasn’t there that day.
Sorry, I meant to reply to
They'll point at you and laugh, maybe let you know you can shoot pellet guns in your backyard. That or they'll look annoyed at you for taking up a lane on the 25yd line.
A PCP gun in .177 puts out the same energy as 22lr pistol. Why would anyone bully someone who has a weapon in his hands?
>A PCP gun in .177 puts out the same energy as 22lr pistol
Proofs?
You can push a 20 grn in slug out of .177 PCP at 850-900fps. Some can do faster.
But will they freak out if they see a 25 round 10/22 mag or they will still bully?
Depends on the range and who's there. I saw people using 25rd 10/22 mags at a range back in 2011 and no one gave a shit.
Nope, saw a guy with a brand new uncucked SCAR-H, a dude with a drum’d RPK and a uncucked Vietnam M16 plus more last time I visited, seems like pretty much everyone just ignores the gay laws on the books.
In California?
That guy was probably a cop lol.
I find pellets at my range all the time.
Whatever the british company is all shot low fps I think it's their laws.. the hatsun seemed to be pretty solid but FX is the way to go at least 6 years ago
How long can you store a pressurized pcp rifle?
>Should I get it? I've been hunting with 22lr, but it seems like a fun varmint exterminator.
I switched to .22 magnum and haven't looked back.
Looks like the Air Venturi Avenger you've got your eye on? Unless you want to shell out 300 bucks on a chinkshit HPA pump, it's gonna be a pain in the ass to fill it up.
Snowpeak M16 airgun. Rotary mag. You are able to kill with heads shots
A good quality break barrel(Diana350)or a mediocre PCP? It's the question I have on my mind for months.
Spring guns are shit. The powerful ones have a spring that recoils hard BEFORE the pellet leaves the barrel.
Dianna 350 is a quality gun I want to have one day and it's a spring gun.
Also springers are autonomous you don't need any air to pump only need your lead pellets , I'm not a hunter all I want is to punch holes in paper target.
Only 4 left in stock at pyramyd air, with 11% off for labor day
I'm not ready to buy it yet I think airgun depot still has them.
buy airguns
fx dreamline in 22 caliber pictured
I've got a gamo swarm in 22. It's fine for plinking and shooting squirrels at 20 yards. The magazine makes it more fun to shoot and you don't need anything but pellets to make it work.
my father bought one against my advice, the thing couldn't group to save its life even after being rebarreled.
Not just user error either we had multiple people try and group the thing and it just did not hit what it was aimed at.
You could definitely plink with it at 20 yards but I'd never use it for anything more serious than that (such as FT or hunting).
Back when i was noguns and into air rifles, gamo had a reputation for selling bad supersonic spring guns. The trouble was that pellets have no mass and quickly transitioned to subsonic which made them tumble like crazy. I would hazard a guess that is what is causing your troubles. Load down the gun with heavy slugs so that it stays subsonic.
Yep, and around the 2010s everyone (especially Gamo) was shilling MUH VELOCITY on the box and d00d muh super light PBA alloy pellets which inevitably were a bitch to stabilize at the velocity (and probably twist rate) the air rifle used. Funny enough the lead would shoot mostly fine. But now that we're mostly through the "holy shit muh velocity look at the box!!!!" phase, we probably have even better accuracy than before since we're not going crazy over velocity and instead at least attempting to give good groups.
IIRC the new gas piston ones are supposed to improve on that? I know my Gamo Swarm doesn't jump as hard as my old 2010-2012 Gamo I bought used years ago. And it doesn't "TWANNNNNNKK" as loud either.
Do you mind sharing some groups?
>Oh also especially fuck Gamo, absolute shit rifles
I thought so too with my old 2010s Gamo but I like my Swarm in .22 as well. I don't shoot it outside of backyard range usually but it's fun. A little hold sensitive IIRC and god forbid you forget you're dry; you'll screw the zero of the scope up from the piston slamming on an empty "chamber". Did that one once. Loudest fucking noise I've ever heard an air rifle make. Holy shit I thought I shot something. Nope.
Sig has replaced Gamo as the shittiest.
Good quality like Weihrauch HW97K? That's the kind of gun you hand down to your grandkids
That's part of the fun. The best guns start recoiling about 30 minutes before you pull the trigger.
Hatsan carnivore, gamo jungle magnum.
Springer gats, good power
Technically there's a PCP carnivore too, based on the BT65. The springer one is the Mod 135 carnivore. I have the mod 135 and like it, but I had to cock it with two hands at first.
Open up porn hub(considering this is 4 chan naughty machinima, or hentai heaven might be more apropriate) and start excercising
Don't worry, I started "exercising" right away and can cock it one handed now
I've been considering one for killing coons and coyotes in my neighborhood since I live in a city where discharging isn't legal and suppressors are banned here now.
Fuck yeah you should get. IMHO everyone should own an air rifle for hunting, if they're into hunting. In case of another presidential-induced ammo shortage like during Trump's first election and during his bid for re-election, air rifles like these are never gonna experience any sort of ammo shortage.