25 ACP

Why isn't it more popular?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Obesity

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why isn't it more popular?
    Because it's pretty mediocre, and expensive on top of that. At 380 and up cartridges stop having much statistically significant difference in defense performance, but 32 or 25 really are much worse. Have other issues as well, but that's the basic one. Doesn't help that you then pay 38cpr minimum on top.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .32 revolver cartridges are fine, .32 ACP is okay if you aim for the head

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      40 cents for bullets seems pretty shit in comparison to common cartridges or if you're comparing how much bullet you get per bullet but 25 acp is hardly expensive when you look at all the ammo thats in common use. 32 smith and wesson is seriously twice the price and it's all lead ammo. .32 magnum is over a dollar a round. i'll sell that gun in a heartbeat but im keeping the 25

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shit-tier killing power.
    The vast majority of .25ACP pistols are unreliable and very difficult to shoot accurately.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There was an import ban in the 60s that completely destroyed the market for small caliber pistols and the market never recovered. The cheap low quality american guns that came to market to replace the imported ones is where the term "saturday night specials" came from and gun stores will still turn their nose up at them even though they're literally the only guns they made that shoot 25 or 32 that aren't antiques

      The ballistics of 25 acp are superior to 22lr but the issue is that all of the guns designed for 25 acp were designed a hundred years ago or designed to be as cheap as possible. there are way more 22lr guns than 25 acp guns even though for a lot of reasons 25 acp is superior

      the people who say this stuff are just moronic or misinformed. this sterling works fine and it's an absolute fricking stinker of a gun. 25 acp has way more energy than 22lr out of a 3 inch barrel because nobody has ever made a 25 acp gun with a barrel longer than 3 inches. nobody makes slow burning 25 acp loads. you have to buy that moronic expensive self defense 22 if you want to be in the same ballpark as 25 acp

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >25 acp has way more energy than 22lr out of a 3 inch barrel
        No way. They're about the same on average with some .22LRs being significantly better.

        Source of data: ballisticsbytheinch.com

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the BBTI data definitively shows that 25 acp is superior to 22 out of extremely short barreled guns, and keep in mind we are literally talking about guns that have barrels shorter than 2 inches

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            At three inches the 25 auto ranges from about 75 to 90 ff-lb.
            Meanwhile only the standard velocity 22 was worse than that, with the others ranging from about 75 to 90--just like .25 Auto. Anon's claim was .25 auto had "way more energy" out of a 3" barrel. It does not. It has about the same given average ammo.

            >and keep in mind we are literally talking about guns that have barrels shorter than 2 inches
            Why are you moving the goalposts from the 3 inch figure which anon stated to some new "shorter than 2 inches" figure? And even then it's not true, the 2" data from BBTI shows them both the same at about 70 ft-lb average.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i dunno i did the math like a year ago and this shit is all off the top of my head man. obviously i'm right because you're trying to split hairs over the three inches figure when im obviously talking about and posted a picture of a mouse gun

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ballisticsbytheinch.com

          you're referring to the contender data because the real gun data straight up just backs up what the original anon said about 25 acp being a better choice than 22lr unless you're using high velocity meme 22 ammo

          and at 3 inches yeah 22 is better because nobody ever made a 25 acp gun that long

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's because the results of the comparison are exactly the same between the two: the .25 ACP only beats the two weakest 22 loadings, and on average is no better.
            The 950 Jetfire makes 65, 67, and 68 ft-lb with the three rounds given.
            The only weaker 22 loads are the 27 and 29gr standard velocity. Everything else on the 22 list is equal to or superior.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it's super fricking marginal i'll give you that but if the terminal ballistics are so close then the capacity advantage and the reliability advantage of centerfire end up being pretty valuable, and then when you consider that there are super hot 25 acp loads like

              https://i.imgur.com/BuL1lUp.png

              For what it's worth, Buffalo Bore makes some 50 and 60 grain .25 acp loads advertised at 850/875 fps. Some guy on the bbti forums tested them and pretty much got the advertised velocities in a couple pocket rockets. They supposedly meet the minimum FBI penetration criteria too, which you're probably not reliably getting from ultralight high velocity .22lr.

              that are much more powerful than the standard loading then the comparison starts to really favor 25

              [...]
              You be the judge : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOhwucT8QU
              [...]
              >we are literally talking about guns that have barrels shorter than 2 inches
              Name half a dozen.

              >Name half a dozen.
              FIE titan
              the beretta minx/bobcat/etc
              taurus pt-22/pt-25
              astra cub
              sterling 300, 302, 380
              armi galesi made one, the 503?
              the tanfoglio 27
              the bryco/jennings/raven shitcannons
              FN baby browning
              colt 1908 vest pocket and junior
              walther model 9
              every revolver manufacturer and model

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >

                [...]


                You be the judge : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOhwucT8QU
                [...]
                >we are literally talking about guns that have barrels shorter than 2 inches
                Name half a dozen.
                >>Name half a dozen.
                >FIE titan
                2.48 inches
                >the beretta minx/bobcat/etc
                2.4 inches
                >taurus pt-22/pt-25
                2.3 inches
                >astra cub
                2.25 inches
                >sterling 300, 302, 380
                2.25/ 2.5/ not sure confusing google results that I'm not sifting through
                >armi galesi made one, the 503?
                >the tanfoglio 27
                2.48 inches
                >the bryco/jennings/raven shitcannons
                >FN baby browning
                2.11 inches
                2.11 inches
                >colt 1908 vest pocket and junior
                2 inches
                >walther model 9
                2 inches
                >every revolver manufacturer and model

                So you've named precisely ZERO (0) guns with barrels less than 2 inches. Well done Anon. Well done.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol this homie spent time pulling up the pistols one by one
                well played

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                arent most S&W snubbies like 1.88 inch barrels
                And now that I think about it, autos count the chamber as part of the barrel and revolvers dont. So what are we counting as barrel length?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >arent most S&W snubbies like 1.88 inch barrels
                Yes, but you're not that Anon, and that's only one, not a half dozen. And I'm not really sure I'd count a S&W snub nose as a "mouse gun". I would count the NAA Mini revolvers. Those things are miniscule.

                >So what are we counting as barrel length?
                By convention we count the chamber as part of the barrel length when it's a non-revolver hand gun, or a non-revolver rifle. When it's a revolver the barrel length is the barrel length because the cylinder is not a part of the barrel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you ARE subtracting the chamber, right? like the BBTI guys?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                BBTI doesn't subtract the chamber, I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                homie you got fricked like a b***h

                >[...]
                >>Name half a dozen.
                >FIE titan
                2.48 inches
                >the beretta minx/bobcat/etc
                2.4 inches
                >taurus pt-22/pt-25
                2.3 inches
                >astra cub
                2.25 inches
                >sterling 300, 302, 380
                2.25/ 2.5/ not sure confusing google results that I'm not sifting through
                >armi galesi made one, the 503?
                >the tanfoglio 27
                2.48 inches
                >the bryco/jennings/raven shitcannons
                >FN baby browning
                2.11 inches
                2.11 inches
                >colt 1908 vest pocket and junior
                2 inches
                >walther model 9
                2 inches
                >every revolver manufacturer and model

                So you've named precisely ZERO (0) guns with barrels less than 2 inches. Well done Anon. Well done.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                stop samegayging anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For what it's worth, Buffalo Bore makes some 50 and 60 grain .25 acp loads advertised at 850/875 fps. Some guy on the bbti forums tested them and pretty much got the advertised velocities in a couple pocket rockets. They supposedly meet the minimum FBI penetration criteria too, which you're probably not reliably getting from ultralight high velocity .22lr.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Neat, I don't have penetration calcs on me but it'd be interesting to see if the extra 10gr on 25 auto allow it to average deeper penetration or if the larger diameter sets it back.
          Min/maxing if both have same penetration then 25 auto will have the diameter advantage and likely the reliability average. In this realm, I think it's safe to say recoil isn't a factor. Personally with 25 auto versus 32 auto in small enough guns I can see recoil being a factor.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/YV2Qywn.png

        >25 acp has way more energy than 22lr out of a 3 inch barrel
        No way. They're about the same on average with some .22LRs being significantly better.

        Source of data: ballisticsbytheinch.com

        You be the judge : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOhwucT8QU

        the BBTI data definitively shows that 25 acp is superior to 22 out of extremely short barreled guns, and keep in mind we are literally talking about guns that have barrels shorter than 2 inches

        >we are literally talking about guns that have barrels shorter than 2 inches
        Name half a dozen.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          TL:DR;
          Extremely similar ammo performance in identical pocket pistols. Energy/velocity variances of about 10%, uniformly poor penetration, and no hollowpoint expansion. Though not specifically called out during the analysis, some of the .22LR ammo also had velocity deviations of as much as 15% between rounds in the same magazine, while the .25 ACP was much more consistent.
          The .22LR gun malfunctioned repeatedly, with an average of about 1.25 malfs per magazine, while the .25 malfed just once due to admitted user error.
          The .25 was substantially more accurate, though just as difficult to aim.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So stopping powah chuds were right
      It is not a myth and shot placement is not all you need

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because some anons grandpa bought all of it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because some anons grandpa bought all of it

        Lol shit I made this comment

        Remember that anon who inherited 3 pallets (tens of thousands of rounds) of .25acp from his grandad and was asking what he should do with it? Wonder what happened with him in the end.

        Before I started scrolling down

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will sex your mum.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You stood her up last time. We waited at Cracker Barrel all morning, fricker.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remember that anon who inherited 3 pallets (tens of thousands of rounds) of .25acp from his grandad and was asking what he should do with it? Wonder what happened with him in the end.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They used to be very popular back in the day because they were so cheap. Quite a lot of "Saturday night specials" were .25 ACPs. Those are off the market for two reasons. First legislation killed that super low-end market, second as other anons pointed out the cartridge is extremely weak and the guns are hard to shoot well because they are so small and awkward to grip and many are shit quality, so anyone that's interested in the performance of their carry gun and can make informed decisions would avoid them.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because its a shit round used in the shittiest of shit ass dogshit gutbuster pieces of shit.

    I'm pretty sure the world record in .25 is two rounds without jamming. Also good luck hitting anything further than arms reach.

    tldr; objectively worse at putting holes in 'future doctors' than a screwdriver.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it sucks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then ur mom is .25acp! Snork!

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it was good enough for Blokhin it's good enough for me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he brought a briefcase full of his own Walther pistols, since he did not trust the reliability of the standard-issue Soviet TT_30
      You can say a lot about him but you can't say he wasn't committed to his trade.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >shoulder length leather gloves
      >Walther 2
      Yea ok, I think more research might be needed here.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is that thing suppressor ready?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If your pudgey finers are too fat to use a small pisol while wearing gloves then you should probably just kys

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          COME AT ME BRUH

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not even .357 sig can't stop this unit. I kneel.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/ZhYO5qk.jpeg

      >shoulder length leather gloves
      >Walther 2
      Yea ok, I think more research might be needed here.

      God imagine being executed by this gooch gun

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anything js better than having to live as a Pole

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well except for living as a Russian or an Italian

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I actually shed a real, physical, tear. No idea why this was so fricking funny.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .25 acp should have replaced 22lr as the cheap buy it by the bucket round. Same power but .25 is centerfire so its more reliable, and the semi rim means it works better in autoloaders but can still be used in revolvers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it could have if they made target pistols and hunting rifles chambered for it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rimfire is why 22lr is able to be made so cheap. Even today a loaded 22lr costs the same as a primer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        isnt it cheap due to its popularity? Same thing with 9mm

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >isnt it cheap due to its popularity?
          Volume is part of it, but think about it from a manufacturing perspective. There are far fewer steps to make .22LR compared to a centerfire cartridge. There's only two steps to form the case--draw the body and balloon the rim--and those can both be done on presses, which is fast and simple. A semi-rimmed centerfire case requires multiple steps to form the brass, at least one of which is turning to make the rim, That alone is far more complex. Then there's the matter of making the cup and the anvil for the primer, assembling them together, and inserting the primer in the case--all of that is a lot more complex than just squirting some primer compound into the rim. Not only is there more work to be done but there is also precision required, if the parts aren't perfectly sized the primer either falls out of the round or it goes boom in the loading machine while it's being inserted. Volume and popularity explains why 9mm costs less than .25, but there's no way either could be made as cheap as a rimfire round.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Raven Arms
    What a piece of fricking shit

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because when a drugged up homie be pullin up and all pumped up with fent ya lil tweent fuv aint gonna do shit on dat homie he gonna take it like iron mang n sheeit

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its really expensive for what it is. I'm not paying 9mm prices for .25 acp.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You might as well use .22LR.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      22lr ammo is terrible for SD and I’ve had dozens of issues with “self defense” 22lr ammo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >22lr ammo is terrible for SD and I’ve had dozens of issues with “self defense” 22lr ammo
        Revolvers were literally invented for rimfire ammo.
        Revolvers for rimfire, pistols for centerfire, ship those wrongly chambered guns back to Africa, ship those guns back.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How does doublefeed occur? Is it the ejecting spent casing not getting out fast enough or the magazine or the shape of the cartridge itself?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          First, have George design a good gun. Then, copy George's gun, and start changing it in ways you don't understand until it becomes worse. That's how you LCP/LCPII/LCPMax/EC9/LC9/Sec9/Ruger all over yourself.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish beretta made a factory new .25ACP.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wish they'd bring back the Model 20

    • 3 weeks ago
      BerettaFag

      https://i.imgur.com/Y39qafK.jpeg

      I wish they'd bring back the Model 20

      >950 Jetfire
      >Model 20

      lol. I have both. Worked on the factory floor in '82 doing barrel rifling before the barrels were heat treated. I absolutely fricking hated it. Bought a Model 20 a couple of years ago to keep as a reminder.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you don't mind, can you tell us what the rifling process was like? Also, how much did they heat treatment change the final dimensions?

        • 3 weeks ago
          BerettaFag

          >If you don't mind, can you tell us what the rifling process was like?
          As this was 42 years ago I'll try to remember.

          Place barrel in fixture. Chamber side facing rifling tool, muzzle facing fixture. Pneumatic piston pushes tool chamber to muzzle. Fixture rotates to put twist in rifling. Release air pressure and tool retracts and counter rotates barrel. Quick inspection for satisfactory tooling and hand deburr anything if necessary.

          >Also, how much did they heat treatment change the final dimensions?
          No clue. I was a 17yo bored out of my mind working there 'cause Dad was an exec. Did get to shoot plenty of funs, including a 93R.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Carland males have masculinity issues and always want bigger because they think its better

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Paul Harrell carries a Baby Browning in .25 ACP, if it's good enough for him, it'd be good enough for me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Paul Harrell lives in an area with no methheads so he can afford to carry a tiny gun with bad sights and a crap trigger. Other people who aren't as lucky may have to get a larger handgun with better features.

      I've always wondered why nobody just made a full-size .25 with a massive magazine capacity.

      .25 ACP is semi-rimmed, so it'll work well in revolvers and autoloaders, but many people don't realize that most of these autoloaders are single-stack and that is because its challenging to make a reliable double-stack for a semi-rimmed round.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He lives in Oregon, the same state that made every drug legal, there's plenty of crackheads/meth heads/fentheads here

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because I'm not a pimp from the 1970's.

        >Lives in Oregon
        >killed like 5 people in self defense incidents
        >no methheads
        >you don't need a gun that doesn't have bad sights and a crap trigger.
        What? That is just plain wrong. The pacific northwest is Chicago for white people and nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >killed like 5 people in self-defense incidents
          Yes, he did. Now tell everyone here, in how many of those incidents did he use a .25 acp and in how many of those incidents did he use a different gun? Look, if you own one and want to use it then great (I'd rather you carry rather than not carry), but be honest, those guns can have drawbacks.

          >ammo isn't cheap
          >round is anemic
          >guns are usually dogshit
          t. sometimes pocket carries a titan 25 with hornday ftx anyways

          >round is anemic
          My problem isn't the round, its that most of the guns that fire it are really low quality.

          Is not Paul Harrel's philosophy that you should use boomer style guns for optics reasons?
          I rhink in one of his videos he said he owns a Winchester 1897 for home defense; and that tacticool stuff might scare normies and get you in trouble if you use it for self defense

          He also owns a beretta 92fs and multiple AR-15 (one of those AR-15s were used in one of his self defense situations). Maybe he was trying to psy-op his viewers into buying something new and unique rather than getting their third Glock or fifth AR.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >My problem isn't the round, its that most of the guns that fire it are really low quality.
            >>guns are usually dogshit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is not Paul Harrel's philosophy that you should use boomer style guns for optics reasons?
        I rhink in one of his videos he said he owns a Winchester 1897 for home defense; and that tacticool stuff might scare normies and get you in trouble if you use it for self defense

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It has all the power of .22 LR but is more expensive than 9mm and nearly all of the guns in the caliber kinda suck.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like them, they are cheap and fun to shoot, I wouldn't use it as my daily but that won't stop me from buying them for $100

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They used to be very popular back in the day because they were so cheap. Quite a lot of "Saturday night specials" were .25 ACPs. Those are off the market for two reasons. First legislation killed that super low-end market, second as other anons pointed out the cartridge is extremely weak and the guns are hard to shoot well because they are so small and awkward to grip and many are shit quality, so anyone that's interested in the performance of their carry gun and can make informed decisions would avoid them.

      I think the laws limiting them are stupid but now that criminals use full power duty rounds and glock switches are we really any safer? I don't even see hipoints anymore in police and shooting videos. It seemed like all the law did was push people predisposed to murder to use more effective weapons.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The law was just a way to try and prevent minorities from getting weapons.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          based

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not really because fricks everyone involved not only blacks and browns

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              that's unfortunate, if only there was a way

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno, I like how small they are, you can fit them in a prison wallet

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The words, Vanity Gun come to mind. It's the other end of the spectrum of buying too much gun for the job. Sure, your nice pocket gun is cute and hard to spot but does it really do anything your .38 snubby doesn't do better? You'll get a marginal gain on concealment but you just might have to dump the magazine into an opponent to stop a charge/attack.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      boomers will legitimately write paragraphs like this thinking it sounds smart when this piece of shit pocket pistol is double the capacity of a 38 special revolver. maybe snubnoses made sense back in the 70s but you can buy a real semi auto for less than the price of a snubnose or for even cheaper you can get a saturday night special

      its mostly the fact that barrier for entry for a snubnose is like $300 for some filipino piece of shit or like $600 for some dogshit smith and wesson when you can get classic american steel like this for less than a hundred bucks

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've always wondered why nobody just made a full-size .25 with a massive magazine capacity.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hello there :3

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ammo isn't cheap
    >round is anemic
    >guns are usually dogshit
    t. sometimes pocket carries a titan 25 with hornday ftx anyways

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      since everyone seems to be posting their 25s in this thread

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's .32 that should be more popular

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They act like two legends cannot coexist

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based I just got a 1903 hammerless the other day from a gun show, it carries more comfortably than my j frame
      Anyone know if those screwdriver rounds perform well for .32 ACP?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah they're what you want. they do more damage than an fmj and penetrate 18". expanding hollow points in .32 penetrate like 10" max.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Think they're too overpressure for a 1903?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think so but inspect your gun first. Lots of ammo in the past was +p by modern standards.

            [...]
            I thought /k/ always said .32 was junk though because it's smaller than 9mm??

            it's more comparable to 380, like 150 ft/lbs instead of 220. better sectional density bullets though, it's more like 9 on that count.
            was the most popular carry caliber in Europe for a long time. people say it's weak because they're set on hollow points, and 380 isn't any better at that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you want the tiniest gun you can reasonably manipulate with adult human hands, 32acp is small enough to suit that.

      I thought /k/ always said .32 was junk though because it's smaller than 9mm??

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's right on the borderline of junk, and being expensive pushes it over.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >because it's smaller than 9mm??
        I've never heard anyone complain about it being "too small". That said people often b***h about it because it's too weak and has insufficient penetration.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A Finnish member of parliament fired one in a bar and destroyed his career like a week ago.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought the Finns, of all people, would understand vodka

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People no longer dress in a way where it's advantageous

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you want the tiniest gun you can reasonably manipulate with adult human hands, 32acp is small enough to suit that.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well lets give you a real answer.

    Its Old.
    Its not Popular (duh).
    Its Obsolete.

    Back in the days people didnt have access to subcompact handguns.
    Also you didnt have Roided out Meth Apes run around and tank a whole Magazine like it was a Airsoft gun.

    25ACP is still a lethal round when you have the right shot placement but youd rather want something that doesnt rely so much on shot placement since who can guarantee you can hit your shots in a stressful situation ?

    Unless you are some crazy person whos trained to the edge of human capacity, Id recommend you to get nothing less than subcom 9mm gun for that purpose.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >youd rather want something that doesnt rely so much on shot placement
      I can't conceal a cannon that shoots 9-pound balls, so I'm forced to use a gun in which shot placement is important (like a 9mm).

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are Bauer 25s good? Local shop has a stainless pearl grip for tree fiddy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have one. The pearl grips cracked the first time I shot it. I think they were over-tightened after being removed. She's a little snappy and useless beyond 10 yards, but it hides nicely.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it’s not very good. Only person I knew who actually carried one took her clothes off for a living so she had reason to need a tiny carry option, everyone else just buys something that doesn’t suck

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    John Browning (pbuh) developed the .25 auto as a more reliable replacement for the .22LR in semi-auto pistols but nowadays with improved quality control, there really isn't a need for it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i remember there was one gun that hit the rim/primer in 2 places instead of 1 and it was supposed to increase the reliability

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It sucks. 0 penetration.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    22lr is cheaper and just as reliable.

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