.22lr revolver for a pocket gun. Anyone do this? I’m thinking about getting a S&W 43c for pocket carry.
.22lr revolver for a pocket gun. Anyone do this? Im thinking about getting a S&W 43c for pocket carry.
.22lr revolver for a pocket gun. Anyone do this? I’m thinking about getting a S&W 43c for pocket carry.
better than no gun, and more trustworthy than a .22 automatic since if it doesn't go bang you can just pull the trigger again, but I'd much rather carry a J-frame in .38 if we're talking small wheelbois.
Or maybe a 351c in 22mag? 7 shots. Taurus 942 is an 8-shot 22mag, but does not have a concealed hammer.
You can just put a shroud over the hammer
Is that just to provide a smooth draw and then it falls off? Who makes it?
No, it covers the hammer so it doesn't snag. Lots of companies make them, you can get plastic, rubber, or metal. They've been a thing since the 1930's.
whats the benefit vs using a .38 the same size?
You get 8 rounds of .22 vs 5 rounds of .38. Also less recoil and easier to shoot.
and .38 is many orders of magnitude more likely to actually stop an attacker and kill them. There are many cases of people being shot by .22lr and not realizing it until minutes later.
>many orders of magnitude
Since we're just using numbers wrong, the .22 carries exponentially more ammo and has a logarithmic curve less recoil
>he doesn't aim at his assailants' eyes
NGMI
Dude .22 mag is among the highest in single shot incapacitations.
>Bro it's got marginally higher one shot stop rate
>Ignore the massively higher failure to stop rate though
Lmao
>not realizing it until minutes later
If Police Activity has taught me anything it's that shot placement is all that matters. Fellas out there actually taking 6+ 9mm or 10mm rounds into the torso and still coming out swinging.
uh huh
seems kinda dumb for defensive purposes unless you were somehow barred from owning anything other than 22lr but it would still be better than nothing. if i were set on carrying a snub i would get a .357 and load 4 of the chambers with .38
It kind of makes sense if you're more worried about varmints. I live in a fairly crime free neighborhood in Arizona but I have coyotes, javelinas, bobcats and the occasional cougar wandering around (mostly the latter two) so i carry a .380 when I walk my dog. Haven't had to use it yet even when I encounter animals but just given the sheer number of encounters I have I feel like it's pretty likely that something might eventually happen.
>if i were set on carrying a snub i would get a .357 and load 4 of the chambers with .38
Why the fuck would you do that?
first shot is the most important one but .357 recoil out of a snub can be pretty punishing, which was the given reason for them carrying 22lr
wildlife might be something worth carrying 22lr for though i guess
It's common practice in some corners. The first shot is the most important, so you load .357 Magnum to get the most performance out of that shot. But recoil out of an airweight snubby is pretty nasty, so you load .38's for your follow up shots in case you have to rapid-fire, making recoil more manageable and ensuring you maintain control over your gun.
I just get an all-steel snubby and load all five chambers with .357, but the above practice is a legitimate strategy.
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It's fat and you can get an LCP with 7+1 that has a better trigger than a DA. Do not redeem revolver, sir!
>Pic unrelated
The only reason you would need 3 extra shots is because the first 5 didn't work. morons and Hispanics generally carry cheap, shitty revolvers and automatics in .22, 25, and .32, and most of the people shot with these calibers survive. Many don't even realize they've been shot until after the fact and just beat the shit out of their shooter. Get a real caliber and you can drop them with one shot, not worry about whether or not your mugger has a thick leather jacket, or is too fat for the bullet to hit something vital, or the bullet is stopped by a bone. I sometimes carry a .25 pocket pistol, but only because any gun is better than no gun and it's so tiny that I can hide it anywhere; that doesn't apply to a revolver that's the same size and weight as one in a real caliber. Get a .38, at minimum. And don't use "muh cheaper ammo for practice" as an excuse, you're not going to practice that much in the first place because you're obviously poor and lazy, and .38 isn't expensive. Get a real caliber that will actually stop the threat with proper shot placement, not piss him off.
>can practice 3x as much for your dollar vs if you reload for .38
>can practice 4x as much vs 9mm
>can practice 6x as much vs .38
>b-but muh stoppin powa
Is a meme. Shot placement is all that matters. If you shoot someone some place where they don't even notice they've been shot because of how non vital it is, then you're realistically going to see the same with any other handgun calibers unless you're so close to something actually vital that the fractions of an inch difference in bullet diameter cause the bullet to nick it.
Inadequate penetration removes many opportunities/chances for "good shot placement".
This single event really convinced me that anything below 380 is dogshit. Not saying 380 sucks but it's where the thresh hold for proper self defense ammunition starts.
>Inadequate penetration
Try looking up gel tests for .22lr.
>this single event where .380 wasn't used and that caused the development of testing standards to keep such a thing from happening again convinced me that smaller calibers are bad regardless of whether or not they meet those new testing standards
Really?
No but the studies around it were interesting none the less.
>Try looking up gel tests for .22lr.
Mediocre. The deepest penetrating .22lr is on the low end of what people argue to be ideal for gel penetration.
Breaking a spine with a rib and seven inches of soft tissue in the way is reasonably achievable for 9mm, 38sp, etc, depending on ammo selected, but hopeless with any .22lr.
>Mediocre. The deepest penetrating .22lr is on the low end of what people argue to be ideal for gel penetration.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/05/02/federal-punch-22lr-review/
>17" of penetration average from an LCP
>21.6" of penetration average from a Ruger 22/45
???
i wish they made the smol lcrx in 22lr 🙁
Ruger LCR-22
>8 shots
>Ruger LCR-22
Why are they fucking $700?
Because Ruger raised the prices on the LCR across the board recently. I have no clue why, but even Kimber now offers a version of their K6 that MSRPs at $60 less than a .38 LCR.
Can be found for ~$500 all over. Not that that's any better. Should be a $300 gun maximum
>Should be a $300 gun maximum
That's what they cost used. Just look for a private seller.
Yeah no. Most of these guys think their shit is still worth retail price when it's used. There are probably still some honest sellers/traders out there tho.
LCR-22
>Why are they fucking $700?
I got mine back in 2020 for $400 at Dunhams here in metro Detroit.
The Smith has so much more class. I'd still get an Airweight.
is the trigger pull really that much heavier on these than the centerfire LCRs?
yeah, but its just the nature of having a rimfire DA revolver.
I got a .38 special revolver a few months back before I even knew about .357 magnum and I regret my purchase so much it's insane. Maybe it's just because I have big hands, but the recoil for .38 special is very manageable and I'd much rather have 2x more power of a .357 magnum revolver. I'm so depressed about owning such a puny gun, man...
How do I cope?
>but the recoil for .38 special is very manageable
That's normal. It's also one of the reasons why people recommend .38's for carry, it's easy to shoot accurately in a small gun.
If you're talking about a full-size pistol then why not sell yours or trade it in and upgrade to a .357? You can always shoot .38's out of it if you want. On the other hand if this is a small pocket gun? You will want to try out that .357 snubbie before you buy one. That's doubly true if you're looking at an alloy frame one. I have seen this happen at the range more times than I can count:
>Dude wants to shoot a 357 snubbie
>He starts with .38s and does just fine, makes a great group.
>Feeling good and having fun now he loads up with .357s
>First shot is on target and now the shooter is wide awake, feeling like someone just whipped the palm of his hand.
>Shooter goes to fire his second shot. Attempting to compensate for the recoil the follow-up shot is sixteen inches low at 5 yards.
>Shot number three isn't even on the paper and strikes the dirt in front of the target.
>Shooter realizes he's now got a real bad flinch, is embarrassed to shit about his group, and really wants to make this next shot count. Luckily, it's on the paper this time. But it's 8 inches right. And high. Man his palm hurts.
>Shot number five. He can't help himself anticipating the recoil again, this one's a foot low.
>"Wow, that little gun really kicks, huh?
Personal experience checks out here. My noguns dad had no trouble at all with the .38s, and while he handled the recoil of the .357 quite well, he was considerably more deliberate with each shot.
And this was out of a 6inch barrel, I would not want to give a snubbie to a newer shooter.
.38 is cooler than .357
A buddy has a snubby Colt Police Positive that his dad bought after returning from the Korean War. Makes you want to pour a scotch on the rocks and light up cigarette.
They're just beautiful. The Police Positive and the Model 10 are two of the best looking revolvers
>before I even knew about .357 magnum
how
Nogunz buys a gun
so if someone said they didn't know .45 acp was a thing a few months ago you wouldn't find that strange?
Just buy another gun later. This happens to literally EVERYONE interested in guns as a hobby. You always want another. Just aim to get a revolver in every caliber. Also, guns hold their value extremely well, so you didn't really lose much money at all, if any, you just lost a bit of time that you'd have to spend selling it if you really don't like it.
>Just aim to get a revolver in every caliber.
I accepted this along time ago.
I want a 6 shot S&W I-frame .32ACP
and cheap .32ACP for that mattter
.38 special rounds are so fucking large for being basically on par with 9mm. It's a complete joke.
>boohoo
Juvenile bitch.
.38 Special was invented before smokeless had really gone mainstream. Many .22 ammo makers, for example, sold "semi-smokeless" loaded with a mix of black powder and smokeless powder, something that would alarm more than a few people today, simply because many people didn't trust the newfangled technology. .38 Special was made with a larger case partly so it could be loaded with black powder and achieve roughly the same performance, and partly so idiots wouldn't try loading a smokeless cartridge into a revolver made for .38 S&W or .38 Colt black powder cartridges and blow up their guns. .357 Magnum is what happened when they loaded the .38 Special case to its true potential, then they lengthened it slightly to prevent idiots from loading it into .38 revolvers not designed to handle the increased pressure and recoil.
And .357 Maximum exists just because it's awesome.
>.38 Special was invented before smokeless had really gone mainstream.
Most people don't realize how long black powder stuck around. I've heard people claim that .38 special moved over to being loaded with smokeless powder almost immediately after it was released. In reality, here's a Sears catalog from 1912 (handgun ammo on the bottom left), 14 years after .38 special was released and 26 years after the first successful smokeless powder started seeing use, and they only sold .38 special loaded with black powder at that time. In fact, the only handgun ammo sold loaded with smokeless powder in this catalog is ammo for autoloaders and ammo intended for use in rifles that you happened to be able to get a handgun chambered in.
>YWN go to the freight train in town to pickup your new Sears house and revolvers.
I have one, it is a little big for pocket carry. Unless you're talking about in a jacket pocket. It is definitely light enough. I usually just carry the LCR in my waistband instead and use the LCP for pocket carry.
ur a little big for pocket carry… gay
What is that supposed to mean? Bigger pockets would make it easier. A smaller person is going to have an easier time hiding a j-frame in a front jeans pocket? I doubt it. Hickok45 is a giant and he can carry anything in his pockets. Fucker can pocket carry a G19. Personally I can't think of any reason to put a revolver in my pocket instead of my waistband.
Better than nothing. 22s are fun, and deadly.
The Ruger LCR is a more modern better design than any of the J frames. Not saying the J frame is shit but the Ruger has a better trigger and a better grip angle. They shoot softer to me not that it will matter in .22
>and a better grip angle
Anon, it's a revolver. You aren't exactly restricted on the grip.
i cant read that grip, what is that can someone spoon feed my retarded ass?
Ergo Delta grip
thank you big dog
Ok smooth brain, the LCR grip is STILL better without having to buy any weird chode looking grip. The trigger is still better on the LCR, and having owned both the controls are better on LCR. You can also replace the front sight on the LCR with a Tridium sight which you can't do on 99% of J frames.
The LCR is a better gun than the J-frame.
Sorry sweaty, I don’t trust the opinion of someone who doesn’t know how to spell “tritium”.
Precious Tritium
do you want it because its a revolver and you just 'like' revolvers or do you think its actually a better choice over a .32 or .380 pocket pistol?
It’s a better choice.
>.22lr is plenty effective, while being cheaper and easier to shoot out of a pocket pistol
>a .22 revolver is more reliable than a magazine fed .22
>it’s a revolver and I just like it
>.22lr is plenty effective
no its not. its legitimately NOT plenty effective. it can be stopped by layered clothing.
>while being cheaper and easier to shoot out of a pocket pistol
who cares how cheap it is? its a carry pistol. you don't need to fire a thousand rounds to be decent with it.
>a .22 revolver is more reliable than a magazine fed .22
that .22 revolver is larger than a glock 43x
>it’s a revolver and I just like it
thats literally all you had to say.
>no its not. its legitimately NOT plenty effective. it can be stopped by layered clothing.
moron WHAT? Unless the moron is wearing 3 leather jackets stacked up I think it will penetrate just fine.
>larger than a 43x
Prove it. Also the 43x has no SOUL. The 43c has plenty of it.
>uses a ruger LCRx
Try again sweaty, this time with a S&W 43c. Also compare weights.
the size difference is negligible, the only real thing the revolvers do is be lighter, and thats at the cost of shittier trigger, shitter grip and a third of the capacity.
i never said shooting a lot doesn't make you better, retard. but a CCW gun is most likely going to be used at very short range, an argument you've most likely used yourself to defend your shitty choice in CCW guns.
>size difference is negligible
No it’s not. The Smith would be way easier to pocket carry.
>shittier trigger, shittier grip
No u
>third of the capacity
8 is most definitely not 1/3 of 10
shield mags bro. also i forgot you're still trying to defend using .22 revolvers.
pocket carry is fucking stupid but you can still do it with automatics, despite what paul harrel says. what pants are you even wearing this time of year that would allow you to conceal a revolver?
Athletic shorts bro. I’m a big guy… for you.
>Athletic shorts
pocket carrying in gym shorts is downright negligent, anon.
>pocket carry is fucking stupid
Care to explain why, sweat pea?
>prints easier
>have to cope with .22 revolvers and defend them online
>inconsistent draw
>have to wear clothes with loose/big pockets
>zero retention in loose clothing
Fantastic arguments. I just bought myself a leather appendix holster.
Jorts
>shittier trigger
Imagine outing yourself as a fingerlet this severely. Buy a hand gripper and quit having girly hands
>shitter grip
It generally conceals a lot better than semi-autos, unless you're specifically referring to the LCR, which has a fatass 2 finger grip which sucks dick
>third of the capacity
If you compare them to basically full-size semi-autos, yeah, but in the pocket gun scene the difference is much more negligible
>Imagine outing yourself as a fingerlet this severely.
so now we cant even complain about shitty triggers without retards playing the 'go lift' cart?
>but in the pocket gun scene the difference is much more negligible
the 43x has 15rd flush mags.
>so now we cant even complain about shitty triggers without retards playing the 'go lift' cart?
I mean, yeah, I thought that was quite obvious. Also if your revolver has an actually shitty trigger then you got a shitty revolver, otherwise if you can't work a double action trigger then just say that instead of calling it shitty
>the 43x has 15rd flush mags.
Oh sweet, a G19 that went on a diet
defending heavy triggers by calling their haters weak is a childish argument. no one willingly chooses a heavy trigger, its why every beretta 92 owner immediately switches out the trigger springs.
>no one willingly chooses a heavy trigger,
Not that anon, but I prefer DA triggers (so long as they're smooth like a good DA trigger should be) over SA and I don't care that they're heavier. DA lets you practice your rapid fire trigger control while dry firing at home, which can go a long way with helping you shoot better. If you're seriously worried about your trigger weight making that much of a difference in your shooting and you aren't dealing with a trigger that's overall god awful, then you need to be worrying less about min-maxing numbers on paper and more about actually practicing.
>who cares how cheap it is? its a carry pistol. you don't need to fire a thousand rounds to be decent with it.
>t. doesn't shoot
The gap between my pistol skills and confidence when I had fired less than 1000 rounds and my skill today now that I've fired well over 10k rounds through a variety of pistols is absolutely massive.
What the fuck are people wearing in your neighbourhood that's thick enough to stop .22?
morons really love those thick, puffy jackets and wear them even in summer.
Federal Punch gets like 15 inches of penetration
just hope your bullet isnt stopped by a rib.
Why not 32 magnum?
Why isn't a duck a fish when they both swim?
Because that's just stupid.
Why not .327 federal magnum?
get one of these
Are those single action only?
yes
yes and they are awful
Revolvers are very big locket carry guns. You have to be fat to pull it off. The cylinders are wide and print more than you'd expect. Holsters that hide such printing are rare. A pocket carry is going to print, what you want it to do is print in a square like a wallet or phone. GL getting a revolver to look like a square. .380s are great for pocket carry, very thin and can easily look like a wallet with a wallet holster.
You are gay
I've thought about an LCR in .22, mostly as a way to get more trigger time behind a snubnose but also as a possible carry gun if I'm just in a revolver mood. My actual carry revolver would be an SP101 but I'm waiting until revolver prices aren't retarded anymore. Hell, I'm barely seeing .38 and .357 hit the shelves again.
What about a smol, flat auto like the Kel-Tec P-32? (or the slightly shorter NAA Guardian)
A flat pocked holster should print like a wallet.
I've considered it for night walks for pests, I occasionally pocket carry an old Charter Arms Undercover .38 because I don't like shooting small .380s. I've ushered at church pocket carrying larger guns several times so I wouldn't worry too much about printing unless you're small and wear very tight clothing.
I bought a Ruger .22 LCR (loaded CCI Mini-Mags copper plated LRN for greater penetration) a couple of years back as an apartment gun, as the small caliber decreases the chances of accidentally shooting a neighbor thru the thin walls and I think it would make a nice carry gun, though my carry piece is a NAA .32 Guardian.
>apartment gun
anon you dont have to make up weird excuses for buying a gun.
A 22 wouldn't even stop a pitbull. You need at least a 9mm.
have a nice day with a 22
43c is finicky
LCR 22 is more of a brick shithouse that will fire anything.
>gets a revolver the same size and weight as a .38 Special, but chooses the weakest possible caliber
>goes with rimfire, which has serious reliability issues compared to centerfire; seriously, I have an entire grocery bag full of .22LR duds that never went off even with multiple strikes, compared to a single centerfire cartridge that didn't go off no matter how many times I dropped the hammer on it
Get a .38 Special. It's cheap, it's more reliable, it's more effective, and you don't have to cope about "muh shot placement" when someone who's considering .22LR specifically because of recoil is likely to have shit aim anyway. Unless you have some rare disease that makes your bones as fragile as glass, there is no excuse for picking a .22 revolver over a .38 of the same size and weight.
>.38 Special
>Cheap
Not since 1990 Anon.
>>goes with rimfire, which has serious reliability issues compared to centerfire; seriously, I have an entire grocery bag full of .22LR duds that never went off even with multiple strikes, compared to a single centerfire cartridge that didn't go off no matter how many times I dropped the hammer on it
Have you considered that people who would carry .22lr aren't going to carry bulk pack ammo made to the lowest standards possible?
>the guy saying he wants to carry a .22 because it's cheap surely won't buy the cheapest ammo available and will instead seek out boutique rounds with improved reliability in the weakest and cheaper caliber available
Really, dude?
>someone who wants to be able to practice for cheap surely won't spend slightly more (but still less than the cheapest 9mm right now) for .22lr that isn't bulk pack for carry ammo
Even .22lr marketed for self defense use like Federal Punch is common at gun stores and cheaper right now buying a single box locally than buying 9mm in bulk online.
"boutique" .22 is like 20 cents a pop