.22 for training

Hey guys I am looking to git gud on a budget and am considering a .22 OR a .22 conversion kit. I got a pretty nice AR with an aimpoint dot and 9mms (a single stack and full size) but I don't shoot them much due to price of ammo.

It seems like .22lr is like 1cpr which is like 1/30th the price of 5.56. What's the best (and cheap) one to get? Will training with something like pic related translate to AR15 or even handgun? Should I just get a .22 pistol?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Savage A22 is the best 22 self loader on the market
    FVSR model is good

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong and wrong. A22s have no aftermarket and are demonstrably no better than a 10/22 and Mark IIs are complete potmetal junk made from pipes and old shovels.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. The trigger on the A22 is so much better than on a 10/22 it's not even in the same ballpark.

      Also, the 10/22 is the least reliable semi-automatic weapon ever devised.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Also, the 10/22 is the least reliable semi-automatic weapon ever devised.
        mine works fine

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Also, the 10/22 is the least reliable semi-automatic weapon ever devised.
        Goddamn it's still summer here

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bro my Marlin model 60 is a POS and jams every mag. No jams on my buddy's 10/22

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Bro my Marlin model 60 is a POS and jams every mag. No jams on my buddy's 10/22
          Fuck the model 60. Same here. I'll clean it, but within 50 shots it double feeds.
          >just use cleaner ammo bro
          >okay which 22lr is cleanest?
          >all 22lr is dirty!!! 😛

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >least reliable semi-automatic weapon ever devised.
        You're thinking of the zip22

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the 10/22 is the least reliable semi-automatic weapon ever devised.

        Don't lie retard.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him, and not the worst, but pretty bad.
          People call them jam-o-matics for good reason.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ar conversion kits suck shit and perform worse than a real 22 rifle.
    its true more stuff carry over when you are using a conversion but you can develop bad habits with a conversion without noticing.
    its better to have a separate gun even if its not the same so your mind separates it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you want a AR pattern .22 the cheapest option is a .22LR conversion bolt. Accuracy isn't great but is fine for staying on target within 50 yards. A dedicated .22LR upper is more but cheaper than a whole .22 AR rifle.

      Another thing to consider is how much are you spending on a new gun vs how much ammo can you buy? If you spend $500 on a .22 AR you could buy more than 1000 rounds of .223. That said, a 10/22 is fun and I think everyone should have one and they aren't expensive.

      my 1/7 16 inch can ding steel consistently at 50 yards. Its not gonna be the same as a purpose built barrel, but for what it is, it works fine. it doesn't really make sense to use .22 as a training replacement outside of that distance anyways.

      I don't know who to listen to

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's your criteria? Beyond 22lr, what do you want to do with it? That's going to let us narrow down what to suggest to you besides everything and anything.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I just wanna shoot and practice for cheap and get better at marksmanship. Faster and more accurate with my 9 and AR but don't wanna pay a lot in ammo

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ruger charger with irons of some sort and a detachable brace. That way you can practice form with both rifles and pistols. Shoot it with the brace detached like you would a handgun, then go back to your regular handgun after.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >thinks a .22 will help marksmanship
            NGMI

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You think it doesn't? There's competitions where people shoot out to 600 yards with a 22lr. You will still have to get in a stable position, and you will still have to enact a proper trigger, and those things are pretty much the most important aspects towards accurate shooting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And all that time wasting on ballistics and wind for .22lr has 0 crossover with 5.56
                Fucke off and die retard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The point is that a .22 forces you to learn that kind of thing even at modest target distances while most people just point their AR at a torso and pull the trigger, they never even consider holding for environmental conditions or distance.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My low I.Q. moron brained animal friend, if you can deal with the windage and drop of a 22lr at longer distances, using an accurized 5.56 rifle will feel like cheating. You'll get a good grasp on the whole ordeal. And you STILL have to build good and stable positions and work on perfecting your trigger pull, all those three things transfer over.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Take the Savage pill. The 10/22 is a piece of shit, always was.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you want something more accurate but less analogous to your AR, get a dedicated 22 rifle
        if you want something both accurate and analogous to your AR, but spend more money, get a 22 AR and set it up like your AR
        if you want something perfectly analogous to your AR but isnt quite as accurate, get a conversion

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          understand that there are two different types of conversions. A dedicated conversion (i.e. a .22 LR upper) is very accurate. A drop-in conversion bolt like

          https://i.imgur.com/35EMG0T.jpg

          Picrel is good, even if your AR twist rate won't be Goldilocks for .22, it is sufficiently accurate for training.

          is not.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            drop in is what i meant, yeah.
            new upper on existing lower would be a good way to save some cash

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thinking of buying a Ruger American rimfire to teach the kids how to shoot. Thoughts? I think they make 22" and 18" versions

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      get a 10/22 like a normal person they will enjoy it more.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Get a bolt action if you want a bolt action. ignore the 10/22 npcs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      buy a cz 457

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It seems like .22lr is like 1cpr
    more like 10cpr
    CMMG AR-15 conversion kit works fine within 50 yards and is about the price of a dedodated .22 rifle.
    >Will training with something like pic related translate to AR15 or even handgun
    some skills will transfer more than others. The fundamentals of aiming and pulling a trigger are the same, but obviously stuff like differences in optics/irons, differences in weight, differences in trigger, differences in balance, differences in recoil, and ergonomic differences will make what you get out of it somewhat limited. For example, for a new shooter its a lot easier to shoot a .22 handgun accurately than a 9mm, because they won't flinch. That kind of thing can't be learned on a .22.
    also 10/22s are very fun and you should buy one.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >10cpr
      I'm not good at math but I think this is a lot less. Not sure if this is shit ammo tho

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        more like 6cpr. Still less than last time i checked though, hooray
        afaik aguilla is perfectly fine ammo

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is good. I think you can get the 40gr non hollow point for cheaper but don't quote me on that. I hunt with that.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah if you want to train on a particular weapons system it usually helps when the weapon you train on isn't something else entirely.
    there is absolutely nothing wrong with a plinker but if you want to "git gud" specifically with an AR stick with a conversion or a .22lr AR.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Whats the cheapest .22 AR that isn't shit? The m&p is like $450 that's a little steep

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thats basically it. you can assemble a dedicated upper for cheaper but you might as well pay a bit more for the entire m&p rifle.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you can go cheaper with Mossberg, Walther, or Chiappa but I don't know about their quality.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you want a AR pattern .22 the cheapest option is a .22LR conversion bolt. Accuracy isn't great but is fine for staying on target within 50 yards. A dedicated .22LR upper is more but cheaper than a whole .22 AR rifle.

        Another thing to consider is how much are you spending on a new gun vs how much ammo can you buy? If you spend $500 on a .22 AR you could buy more than 1000 rounds of .223. That said, a 10/22 is fun and I think everyone should have one and they aren't expensive.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Picrel is good, even if your AR twist rate won't be Goldilocks for .22, it is sufficiently accurate for training.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I got a pretty nice AR
    Get a .22 conversion kit for it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it as inaccurate and dirty as they say it is? Mines a 1:7 14.5 BCM

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        my 1/7 16 inch can ding steel consistently at 50 yards. Its not gonna be the same as a purpose built barrel, but for what it is, it works fine. it doesn't really make sense to use .22 as a training replacement outside of that distance anyways.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    unless you think you must have autoloading or AR ergonomics just get a .22 bolt action. They are cheap and even low end ones tend to be relatively accurate meaning you will better be able to judge your performance and see improvements

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just get a dedicated 22, when you got good you can move onto something bigger. Save the 22 for your kids when they're ready.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What does "training" even mean? The whole point of a carbine or rifle is it's ability to reach out and touch someone. So why train for airsoft distances with a 22lr? Shouldn't you be trying to train for maximizing the potential of your rifle?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      oh

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So why train for airsoft distances with a 22lr?
      Most of the shooting skills are the same and therefore transfer over to the larger weapon. Meanwhile the 22 ammo is much cheaper allowing more trigger time for the same money. It's also less powerful thus and more affected by wind so it exaggerates the importance of learning your wind holds. A guy who's learned to shoot his 22 accurately at 100 yards is a much better marksman than someone who's been ringing a torso at 100 yards with an AR.

      >Shouldn't you be trying to train for maximizing the potential of your rifle?
      What makes you think shooting with a 22 isn't a fundamental part of that?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then why does it have to be a 22lr that looks and feels just like your AR? Can't it just be any 22lr at that point then since all you're doing is focusing on the basic fundamentals that transfer over to all guns?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Then why does it have to be a 22lr that looks and feels just like your AR?
          Generally speaking it doesn't matter at all.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ah then we're in agreement. I didn't word it correctly but I was trying to reach this point. That anon can use just about any 22lr weapon to practice.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Most of the shooting skills are the same and therefore transfer over to the larger weapon
        No
        The fundamentals translate, but 100% of the fundamentals can be trained dry, so your point is retarded.
        Things beyond the fundamentals mist be trained with the actual firearm.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Absolutely fucking noguns retarded take

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Post your guns fucktard.
            .22lr is absolute garbage for anything but small game hunting, which is not what the OP is about.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You've got be some kind of euro and/or urbanite to think that the only uses for guns are hunting and larping. I'd ask you to post groups but you only 'train' dry.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >but 100% of the fundamentals can be trained dry
          bro, how the fuck is anyone supposed to learn wind and elevation holds without actually shooting at a target? The cool thing about a 22 is that it essentially compresses your range. If you happen to have a several-hundred-yard range to shoot your AR, awesome. But for those who don't, shooting a 22 at whatever range they do have (say 100 yards) is a hell of a lot more challenging when it comes to marksmanship fundamentals compared to shooting centerfire rifle at the same distance.

          Post your guns fucktard.
          .22lr is absolute garbage for anything but small game hunting, which is not what the OP is about.

          Lemme guess, you think airguns are useless too?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Hey guys I am looking to git gud on a budget and am considering a .22 OR a .22 conversion kit. I got a pretty nice AR with an aimpoint dot and 9mms (a single stack and full size) but I don't shoot them much due to price of ammo.
    You are a noguns, have a nice day.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >will a gun with a different trigger, different sights, different reloads, different stock, different weight, different manual of arms, help train me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You seem retarded, so I'll go ahead and answer your question: yes, it will. All those things being different honestly don't matter. The fact that you think they matter suggest that you're either a new shooter or nogunz at all.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if you give a pro racer a different car will he suddenly be completely unable to drive well?

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck no you idiot, everything about it is different, it could help you on the fundamentals of marksmanship, but so would dry firing your AR, which would be even better, because I bet your AR trigger is different than any .22.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >be me
      >compete in USPSA
      >reach Master level in my division
      >shoot handguns for years
      >decide to get into rifles
      >decided to take a rifle class
      >literally outshot everyone there despite people with much more experience behind a rifle

      Turns out, despite my pistol and AR having nothing in common, trigger control IS trigger control just the same.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Steel torsos at 100 yards are killing America's proud tradition of marksmanship. The boomers are right.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Incorrect. Marksmanship in American culture is growing along naturally. It's just that now there's a MASSIVE INFLUX of wannabe spec op kiddies who actually literally think they'll be getting into Tarkov-esque gunfights IRL despite not being in a SWAT team or the military and literally thinking this Government is going to allow a civil war to even start. And dumb people like that tend to be very loud, and it feels like they displace the actual shooters, but they don't, it's just we're a minority, but we've always been.

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