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>2023
>After a giant very public disaster that kills hundreds of muggles is caught on camera from many angles, the muggle governments are finally forced to acknowledge the existence of the wizarding world
>An attempt to force wizarding ministries and secret governments to obey the sovereign muggle states they exist within leads to conflict
>The Wizard vs Muggle War begins, in which the muggles' goal is to compel wizards to give up their secret governments and join normal society and obey normal laws
Which side wins? I feel like the muggles' superior firepower can't realistically be countered, but the wizards' espionage, teleportation, and ability to charm places to go unseen isn't counterable, either. Maybe some kind of tracking devices on wizards who don't know, then sending missiles when they go to their magic sanctums?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think the meta from the muggle side would just be to use our superior amount of money to pay wizards to kill other wizards for us.

    It's like how the Chinese always had steppe people to their north that could beat the shit out of China, so they would defuse the threat by paying tribute and getting them to fight amongst themselves. Or like with Putin and Kadyrov.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      We had a pretty indepth thread on this like, a week ago? Basically
      0) To get it out of the way, Rowling's world building is pretty crap and all over the place so it's not actually worth taking very seriously. I don't even mean that as an insult really, I didn't know until last thread but apparently HP was literally her very first book. Normally brand new authors get a few books to learn with and make normal new author mistakes and move on before getting into big series. Once in a long while they happen to get a runaway hit right off though and get stuck. She didn't do some big plan upfront in 1993 or whenever it was she started on it, and a lot of the early stuff is all over the place, pure goal driven rule of cool utility, not self-consistency. She is also very fem british and hates/knows little about guns or war. Since anything in this discussion hinges big time on shit like "are there millions of tens of thousands of wizards" that makes it all kinda eh.

      1) That said, magic is stupid powerful if used in serious ways in the series. Rowling generally has wizards behave in dumb ways, or perhaps "civilized" ones given their power level. But if we speculate a war where wizards had to get their shit together, it'd be tough with our current paradigms.

      2) However it takes very little magic to counter the most serious magic, and muggle tech/raw firepower is massively better. So is correct: the big thing would be to get at least a handful of wizards on conventional governments side. Which seems practical. They then cast anti-teleport charms on the Pentagon etc, reveal all basic knowledge. AI would be very helpful now.

      3) If wizards just decide to give up and be left alone middle of nowhere that'd be pretty impossible to stop, though that'd leave muggles effectively victorious.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Random fun fact: the first Harry Potter book was written on table napkins while JK was working as a waitress and raising two kids. She was just making it up as she went along.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Random fun fact: the first Harry Potter book was written on table napkins while JK was working as a waitress and raising two kids. She was just making it up as she went along.
          I think in the final 2-4 books she finally started getting some assistance and thinking things through a little further ahead and tried to back away from some of the early mistakes. It was a clear big hit at that point so suddenly way more money and publisher caring about it and shit. She went further and further away from "muggles and wizards side by side" by the end and it was wizard world only. Like when they're on the run in the final they go out into the fricking woods instead of losing themselves in the mass of urban muggle humanity which would have been a lot more comfortable.

          Anyway, I've seen that happen with authors a couple of times. In some ways it's kind of a shame, they have some kernel of a really good thing, but don't really have the skill to execute it, and unlike normal authors who end up with a solid array of different works they become "The XYZ Series Author" and can never do anything else. Rather then building up to the big thing, it comes out of the blue, and then nothing else they do ever tops it and it's like, oh. Yeah they made a shitload of money, but still seems to leave a lot of them in kind of a weird spot, to be "done" with a career in their 40s or something. And the focus of all kinds of weirdo fans and big commercial business that just wants them to pump out more more more.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not true at all. Rowling was on the dole when she wrote the books and living in council housing. This is despite coming from a wealthy family.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Bullshit. Paper is cheap and napkins are hard to write on

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine thinking this hard about it

        Random fun fact: the first Harry Potter book was written on table napkins while JK was working as a waitress and raising two kids. She was just making it up as she went along.

        >Random fun fact: the first Harry Potter book was written on table napkins while JK was working as a waitress and raising two kids. She was just making it up as she went along.
        I think in the final 2-4 books she finally started getting some assistance and thinking things through a little further ahead and tried to back away from some of the early mistakes. It was a clear big hit at that point so suddenly way more money and publisher caring about it and shit. She went further and further away from "muggles and wizards side by side" by the end and it was wizard world only. Like when they're on the run in the final they go out into the fricking woods instead of losing themselves in the mass of urban muggle humanity which would have been a lot more comfortable.

        Anyway, I've seen that happen with authors a couple of times. In some ways it's kind of a shame, they have some kernel of a really good thing, but don't really have the skill to execute it, and unlike normal authors who end up with a solid array of different works they become "The XYZ Series Author" and can never do anything else. Rather then building up to the big thing, it comes out of the blue, and then nothing else they do ever tops it and it's like, oh. Yeah they made a shitload of money, but still seems to leave a lot of them in kind of a weird spot, to be "done" with a career in their 40s or something. And the focus of all kinds of weirdo fans and big commercial business that just wants them to pump out more more more.

        Not true at all. Rowling was on the dole when she wrote the books and living in council housing. This is despite coming from a wealthy family.

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        Polyjuice, Unplottability, Apparating, and Imperio means any war against Wizards is a failure before it even begins.

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        any plans on how we can take down Raya Lucaria?
        Do we have enough Tarnish to send to wreck their academy?

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        I can't entertain the idea of adult men knowing anything about this shit unless they have daughters they read it to (in which case, based). Do you all spend the rest of your time on /mlp/?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, I was in elementary school when the last Harry Potter book released. I'm 24.
          I was edgy enough to read Artemis Fowl instead, but a decent number of guys my age read HP when they were 10.

          • 1 year ago
            sage

            sage

            That's fine. This is not called /harry potter and the homosexual of Black folk/

            This is called /k/.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              ur a sad little frick, and u should chill because it’s a Mongolian basket weaving forum

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You must be 18 to post on PrepHole

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I was in elementary when the first one came out and I read it too. I've forgotten most of it though because I'm a grown adult with a wife and a job.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Congrats on your Alzheimer's. My father literally read it to me when I was a child, and I'm 25 with a job and a fiancee of my own. I remember almost all of it because I don't have brain damage.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You having a shitty memory doesn’t make you cool.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I was edgy enough to read Artemis Fowl instead,
            Based. Superior book. The part where they swapped eyeballs made me hard.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Artemis Fowl
            thank frick we didn't have the comics then, I'd have fapped endlessly to Holly Short
            I used to think Artemis Fowl was somehow more cool but tbh it's for readers of even lower level than HP
            Alex Rider is a tad better

            >3) If wizards just decide to give up and be left alone middle of nowhere that'd be pretty impossible to stop, though that'd leave muggles effectively victorious.
            This is kind of the status quo in HP anyway, the wizards are in hiding because they can't compete against witch hunters

            >the wizards are in hiding because they can't compete against witch hunters
            Anon, a medieval witch used to get tied up and "burned" over and over for shits and giggles

            >I was edgy enough to read Artemis Fowl instead,
            Based. Superior book. The part where they swapped eyeballs made me hard.

            It was all downhill after Opal Deception

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Alex Rider is a tad better
              Those were great

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine being this insecure. The first one came out in 1997 man, 26 fricking years ago. If some people started reading it in elementary school they'd still be in their 30s with a family now.
          >I can't remember anything I read from that long ago
          We aren't all in our 70s or 80s going senile with decaying memory either anon. Also I tend to find that stuff I read or was read to me as a kid, like the Aubrey/Maturin novels, really is etched into my memory.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I can't entertain the idea of adult men knowing anything about this shit
          You are 20 years old or 50+ and childless. How dare people who were children read children’s books and remember the details

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >3) If wizards just decide to give up and be left alone middle of nowhere that'd be pretty impossible to stop, though that'd leave muggles effectively victorious.
        This is kind of the status quo in HP anyway, the wizards are in hiding because they can't compete against witch hunters

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Mugglewank
        Sigh

        >Rowling's world building is pretty crap and all over the place
        It's actually pretty good, but you have to remember that it's dumbed down because it's an ages 8-15 book
        JKR had a classical education (liberal arts to yanks) so she inserted a fair few mythological references
        also nobody has ever disputed she has a knack for wordplay
        (Probity Probes, lmao)
        >not self-consistency
        HP is arguably *more* self-consistent than most high fantasy or even SF (cough Star Trek cough), she formulated a set of "invisible rules of magic" and stuck to them throughout, but chose to imply the rather than describe them - whether that was a good idea is definitely debatable, but the rules exist

        >1) That said, magic is stupid powerful
        /thread
        the HP world is one where the wizards have already won; they live as they wish, do as they will, subvert Heads of Governments whenever they feel like it, attack key members of Govt and hush up said attack, and nobody is the wiser

        they live in hiding literally only because of benevolence - they don't want to enslave or destroy the non-magical world

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >It's actually pretty good, but you have to remember that it's dumbed down because it's an ages 8-15 book
          No, it was not dumbed down, that was her best effort at the time. There's tons of self-inconsistencies and things she dropped later because it'd frick things up. Stop being moronic. I'm not even criticizing her either, it was a first book, she didn't know it'd take off and turn into an entire universe. She also matured as an author over the next 15 years. But that doesn't change the fact that the foundations are super shaky. Again, based on canon references there could be literally 3-4 orders of magnitude differences in global wizard population. Tens of thousands vs tens of millions is kind of a big fricking difference anon.

          >they live in hiding literally only because of benevolence - they don't want to enslave or destroy the non-magical world
          If population is on the lower end of the range, then no they just can't even with their magic. Too many regulars. And most wizards can't do the powerful stuff as well. Further the pace of tech continues to accelerate. HP started kind of "plausible" at its time of the late 90s and early 00s. But in a world of ubiquitous AI networked surveillance and shit it's hard to see how there wouldn't be a break down unless they went into alternate worlds. Realistically too it makes no sense that zero wizards in history would have "defected". But that would have hurt the story.

          Again I have zero issue with something just being fun. Silly fantasy magic works like your mentioned Star Trek or the more honest Star Wars can be a good time.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >the foundations are super shaky
            only because you're moronicly basing everything on Book 1 and solely Book 1, when Book 5 is where a huge chunk of the worldbuilding actually is
            >based on canon references there could be literally 3-4 orders of magnitude differences in global wizard population. Tens of thousands vs tens of millions
            Not at all
            We can narrow down the UK wizard population to roughly 15,000 give or take a few thousand

            >started kind of "plausible" at its time of the late 90s and early 00s. But in a world of ubiquitous AI networked surveillance and shit
            Magic fricks electronics
            Otherwise you couldn't pilot a flying fricking car let alone try to murder somebody in the Western hemisphere's most surveilled city
            >it makes no sense that zero wizards in history would have "defected"
            Sure it can: what do you think the wizard police spend all their time doing? finding those "defectors", taking them out and erasing the evidence
            >I have zero issue with something just being fun
            Yeah, and I don't begrudge you the nitpicking. Save that with HP, there really aren't as many nits to pick as one might expect. Just that because it's "a ChIlDrEnS bOoKs" people give it more guff than, say, the fricking MCU, when it makes MORE sense in certain ways.
            >Tony Stark scatters thousands of bits of nanotech all over the world
            >Consumer technology remains about the same level as IRL

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >if you just ignore this part of the books in favor of this part it's consistent
              homosexual. It states all kinds of shit. It says there are "ten times more Muggles than wizards in the world" which would mean 700 million wizards worldwide. It also states 3000 wizards total in all of Britain, which means 1/3 of the total go just to hogwarts which makes no fricking sense either. It's all over the place. She didn't think it out before starting the series. Deal with it.

              >Magic fricks electronics
              Only in specific places like hogwarts with super high magic concentration. That's stated too. And OBVIOUS because otherwise computers wouldn't work anywhere. Stop being moronic.
              >Otherwise you couldn't pilot a flying fricking car
              Notice how she dropped that thread and never touched it again. Because magitech would totally frick her chosen world setup. And she could just say the car cloaking worked vs radar too.
              >muh headcanon
              lol
              >Save that with HP, there really aren't as many nits to pick as one might expect wow

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It says there are "ten times more Muggles than wizards in the world
                >It also states 3000 wizards total in all of Britain
                [citation needed]
                If you can post even just the chapter in Philosopher's Stone where this is supposedly stated, I'd kneel
                If you can't, kiss my ring

                >Only in specific places like hogwarts with super high magic concentration. That's stated too
                Also wrong
                In this case you're taking the quote out of context

                >she dropped that thread and never touched it again
                >flies magic buses, broomsticks, flying fricking horses, flying fricking motorbikes and a flying fricking dark lord through London
                why not just admit you never read the books?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Frick you you drooling fantard. I'm not hunting through the movie or book for the exact phase for a series that doesn't fricking matter. I did do a quick google and it says that in the fanwiki as well, so it passed muster amongst the crazed fanboys there too, argue it with them if you think we're all wrong.
                >Also wrong
                No, correct. Because again, if it wasn't ALL TECH WOULDN'T FRICKING WORK. We had computers, the internet, mobile phones and the web and so on in fricking 1997 anon. Rowling wasn't postulating an AU Earth where no technology existed on the muggle side. If magic disrupted it everywhere, then there'd never have been computers in the first place. She just didn't want that to be part of her story and so came up with a quick convenient deus ex to eliminate it and that was that.
                >broomsticks, horses, and self flight are magically altered muggle technology
                You absolute complete fricking moron. The bike got dropped too. Rowling didn't want to deal with "well why doesn't the wizard government just make magic APCs and tanks and magical attack helicopters" hence why she scrubbed it all. The point isn't "flight" you drooling moron the point was magitek. Rare magical creatures, incredibly rare/hard self spells (you "read the books" but forgot animal transformation? or only voldemort/snape flying?), and the classic broomstick aren't magitek.

                Avada kedavra (9mm) yourself.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The bike got dropped
                Literally the first event in Book 7
                why not just admit you never read the books?
                >I did do a quick google and it says that in the fanwiki
                right
                so it wasn't ackshually

                >if you just ignore this part of the books in favor of this part it's consistent
                homosexual. It states all kinds of shit. It says there are "ten times more Muggles than wizards in the world" which would mean 700 million wizards worldwide. It also states 3000 wizards total in all of Britain, which means 1/3 of the total go just to hogwarts which makes no fricking sense either. It's all over the place. She didn't think it out before starting the series. Deal with it.

                >Magic fricks electronics
                Only in specific places like hogwarts with super high magic concentration. That's stated too. And OBVIOUS because otherwise computers wouldn't work anywhere. Stop being moronic.
                >Otherwise you couldn't pilot a flying fricking car
                Notice how she dropped that thread and never touched it again. Because magitech would totally frick her chosen world setup. And she could just say the car cloaking worked vs radar too.
                >muh headcanon
                lol
                >Save that with HP, there really aren't as many nits to pick as one might expect wow

                >It states all kinds of shit. It says there are "ten times more Muggles than wizards in the world" which would mean 700 million wizards worldwide. It also states 3000 wizards total in all of Britain
                "It" turned out to be a quick google after all.

                >Avada kedavra (9mm)
                >not 7.62x39
                Drooling mongoloid.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >we literally have a moron who defending harry fricking potter as the pinnacle of literature and good world building
                >also a noguns who thinks rifle rounds are handgun rounds
                >7.62x39
                >good
                It'd be sad if it wasn't so pathetic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                so what you're saying is you have no response and got btfo? cool cool

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Do I need to say anything further to someone who didn't read the books, read a lot of forum hearsay, pretended to know it all, claimed that "it" said this and that, got called out, did a quick google, doesn't know the context of what his quick google uncovered (citing a fan wiki, lmao),
                and now is desperately trying to cover it up instead of taking the L and walking away?

                remember, the context is anon claimed:

                >It's actually pretty good, but you have to remember that it's dumbed down because it's an ages 8-15 book
                No, it was not dumbed down, that was her best effort at the time. There's tons of self-inconsistencies and things she dropped later because it'd frick things up. Stop being moronic. I'm not even criticizing her either, it was a first book, she didn't know it'd take off and turn into an entire universe. She also matured as an author over the next 15 years. But that doesn't change the fact that the foundations are super shaky. Again, based on canon references there could be literally 3-4 orders of magnitude differences in global wizard population. Tens of thousands vs tens of millions is kind of a big fricking difference anon.

                >they live in hiding literally only because of benevolence - they don't want to enslave or destroy the non-magical world
                If population is on the lower end of the range, then no they just can't even with their magic. Too many regulars. And most wizards can't do the powerful stuff as well. Further the pace of tech continues to accelerate. HP started kind of "plausible" at its time of the late 90s and early 00s. But in a world of ubiquitous AI networked surveillance and shit it's hard to see how there wouldn't be a break down unless they went into alternate worlds. Realistically too it makes no sense that zero wizards in history would have "defected". But that would have hurt the story.

                Again I have zero issue with something just being fun. Silly fantasy magic works like your mentioned Star Trek or the more honest Star Wars can be a good time.

                >it was a first book
                >canon references

                >if you just ignore this part of the books in favor of this part it's consistent
                homosexual. It states all kinds of shit. It says there are "ten times more Muggles than wizards in the world" which would mean 700 million wizards worldwide. It also states 3000 wizards total in all of Britain, which means 1/3 of the total go just to hogwarts which makes no fricking sense either. It's all over the place. She didn't think it out before starting the series. Deal with it.

                >Magic fricks electronics
                Only in specific places like hogwarts with super high magic concentration. That's stated too. And OBVIOUS because otherwise computers wouldn't work anywhere. Stop being moronic.
                >Otherwise you couldn't pilot a flying fricking car
                Notice how she dropped that thread and never touched it again. Because magitech would totally frick her chosen world setup. And she could just say the car cloaking worked vs radar too.
                >muh headcanon
                lol
                >Save that with HP, there really aren't as many nits to pick as one might expect wow

                >this part of the books
                >It states all kinds of shit

                But it turns out that "this part of the books" was "a quick google and fan wiki".

                >we literally have a moron who defending harry fricking potter as the pinnacle of literature and good world building
                >also a noguns who thinks rifle rounds are handgun rounds
                >7.62x39
                >good
                It'd be sad if it wasn't so pathetic.

                >couldn't connect Avada Kedavra with Avtomat Kalashnikov even given the hint
                double digit IQ, a curse more powerful than anything JK could conceive of

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >they live in hiding literally only because of benevolence
          No they went into hiding because of the witch hunts
          >they don't want to enslave or destroy the non-magical world
          Most don’t. Some do. The ones that do are the ultra powerful wizards (mostly) and they didn’t enslave the muggle world outside of a couple individuals. You can argue if that is purely because of plot or because they couldn’t.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >they went into hiding because of the witch hunts
            Because they'd rather hide than impose their will; the witch burnings were said to be so ineffective some witch took it as a joke to be "burned" over and over
            >or because they couldn’t
            They seem capable enough, given they can hush up a series of high-profile attacks with glowie-tier super-efficiency

            He would disagree with you considering he literally says "attacking the baby after killing the mother was a frick up I know about that magic I shouldn't have risked it"

            literally never happened

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          someone doesn't know the lore very well...
          guns beat magic.
          that is canon.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Only in a direct confrontation. Obviously in an all-out war wizards would have to fight smart.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Canon is Hagrid taking Vernon's shotgun and turning it into a pretzel, anon.

              aw thats cute.
              they think the addled wizards that don't even know how guns work are "gonna fight smart"
              the wizards that were so fricking muddled it took some KIDS to win their stupid fricking war.
              >guys hagrid is stronk so uhhhhhh guns LOSE!
              yes... yes vernon with his shotgun was REALLY gonna represent the bitter reality.
              pacifist giant halfbreed runts are REAAAAAALLLY gonna make a difference lmao.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Canon is Hagrid taking Vernon's shotgun and turning it into a pretzel, anon.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Hagrid is also not entirely human

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Half giant, half wizard. It's intentionally meant to be something of a head scratcher as to how that kind of person is conceived when full giants are 20-25 feet tall.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                My point was that saying “Hagrid no-selled a shotgun, therefore guns are useless against wizards” is moronic because Hagrid was far from average.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      We had a pretty indepth thread on this like, a week ago? Basically
      0) To get it out of the way, Rowling's world building is pretty crap and all over the place so it's not actually worth taking very seriously. I don't even mean that as an insult really, I didn't know until last thread but apparently HP was literally her very first book. Normally brand new authors get a few books to learn with and make normal new author mistakes and move on before getting into big series. Once in a long while they happen to get a runaway hit right off though and get stuck. She didn't do some big plan upfront in 1993 or whenever it was she started on it, and a lot of the early stuff is all over the place, pure goal driven rule of cool utility, not self-consistency. She is also very fem british and hates/knows little about guns or war. Since anything in this discussion hinges big time on shit like "are there millions of tens of thousands of wizards" that makes it all kinda eh.

      1) That said, magic is stupid powerful if used in serious ways in the series. Rowling generally has wizards behave in dumb ways, or perhaps "civilized" ones given their power level. But if we speculate a war where wizards had to get their shit together, it'd be tough with our current paradigms.

      2) However it takes very little magic to counter the most serious magic, and muggle tech/raw firepower is massively better. So is correct: the big thing would be to get at least a handful of wizards on conventional governments side. Which seems practical. They then cast anti-teleport charms on the Pentagon etc, reveal all basic knowledge. AI would be very helpful now.

      3) If wizards just decide to give up and be left alone middle of nowhere that'd be pretty impossible to stop, though that'd leave muggles effectively victorious.

      It's been a long ass time, but can't these homosexuals just conjure gold bars and currency at will?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If they can, why isn't every wizard rich (like those Weasley hobos)? Maybe it's impossible.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          How does a farmer who can instantly magic away labor even become poor.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If they can, why isn't every wizard rich (like those Weasley hobos)? Maybe it's impossible.

            Shitty writing in a childrens book.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because they had seven kids on the income of a low to middling level government employee.

            They were cash poor but land rich.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You're missing that Dumbledore layered Harry with at least three counters to Voldemort's spell the second time round

              [...]
              Can't

              [...]
              Exactly
              Wizards don't live in a post-scarcity society; there are limits to magic

              [...]
              Obviously due to limitations on the magic

              [...]
              Wizarding basket of goods =/= muggle basket of goods
              >cash poor but land rich
              IRL there are theoretical "millionaires" who live pretty basic lives; for example, if you inherited a fully paid-up townhouse in the middle of London, but you work a pretty average job

              That only makes sense in principle, in practice having a farm and a government job and being able to literally wave your hand to do housework and farming, which they can, means they wouldn't be living in squalor.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >being able to literally wave your hand to do housework and farming, which they can
                You're seriously overrating magic here
                When we see Mrs Weasley doing chores, she's not waving her wand and instamagicking shit clean - she's enchanting dishes to scrub themselves, knives to cut food, etc. Magic replaces the dishwasher, Cuisinart, washing machine, etc but the efficiency gain over and on top of household appliances is not humongous.

                That said, IRL one woman cannot do all that AND grow food for nine. So there's your magic value-add. The farm subsidises the food bill tremendously (if not outright replaces it), but the super-efficiency of magic probably doesn't outweigh having that many kids.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Mrs Weasley is probably one of the top fifty casters in a setting where people enchant mops to clean floors by themselves and children can levitate tree trunks with a wave of their dick.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    any plans on how we can take down Raya Lucaria?
    Do we have enough Tarnish to send to wreck their academy?

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Polyjuice, Unplottability, Apparating, and Imperio means any war against Wizards is a failure before it even begins.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Polyjuice, Unplottability, Apparating, and Imperio means any war against Wizards is a failure before it even begins.
      yeah. Though the handwave you could give there is that only a tiny fraction of wizards can do 3 of the 4 of those.

      But still we're just not really setup to deal with that kind of shit, where suddenly our entire central command gets mind controlled.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      The wizard strategy is just to use teleportation or the invisibility cloaks to sneak into important muggles HQs and imperio them to switch sides. It would be like The Thing or They Live except no Kurt Russel to save us.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      We have contingency plans for all of these things.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >4444
        Shit's real boys.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >contingency plans for things they don't know exist
        wasted

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The governments did indeed know that wizards exist

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Only the British PM (and thus conceivably other heads of state), and he was helpless enough that the wizards laughed at the idea of him revealing their existence to anyone else

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's more about preparing for reveal of potential enemy tactics and technologies.
          We also have contingency plans for zombie outbreaks and the likes.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Can’t argue with those quads

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I want to argue against you but with those digits I'm probably wrong anyway.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Was imperio ever effectively used in any of the books? It seems like the most powerful spell of them all to frick with people, but I can't remember an example.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Voldemort used it to puppet the entire wizard government in the last book

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Harry used it on a goblin during his Gringotts heist.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand what resistance these things grant to 155mm shrapnel shells?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Protego can stop arrows, what makes you think it cannot stop shrapnel?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The impossibly vast difference in kinetic energy and more importantly the fact that you usually tend to see a volley of arrows coming

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The whole problem with fighting HP wizards is the "find" and "fix" part

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It is for this purpose that area bombing was invented

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >try to bomb wizard
                >they've teleported into your command post and imperio'd everyone
                >get shot for treason for attempting to bomb your own positions

                your mistake is assuming that the muggles would be able to stay organized against an enemy that can subvert any military or political command easily

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I say! I do believe there's something to master Funglebutts radical theory that deodorant is not a muggle communication device but what do you mean "command post" is that some kind of muggle letter service?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >General, I want you to nuke London, it's the only way
                >Prime Minister, what are you talking about?
                >It's the wizard headquarters
                >you're off your rocker

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >General I want you to nuke London, it's full of Englishmen
                >I already launched the nuke when you started the word "London", can we nuke the rest of Brittain while we're at it?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You can also hear shells coming.
            They can also apparate miles away at will. They can also conjure literal napalm that will turn your whole platoons into dust, and spreads until it's intentionally stopped.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Rowling outright said that the Wizarding world couldn't stand up to modern Muggles, because a farmer with a shotgun could kill any seasoned wizard.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >find the other side of that train station wall they walk through
    >get fifty guys with machineguns pointed at a door that nobody can see or hear through

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >wizards are few and far between, even fewer (like literally 10 lol) are willing to use the instakill spell that's roughly as effective as a normal handgun
    >meanwhile every muggle can grab their trusty FAL and start slottin' every goof with a wand from 300+ yards away
    muggle victory 0/10 difficulty

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >dumb take on war

      Polyjuice, Unplottability, Apparating, and Imperio means any war against Wizards is a failure before it even begins.

      >informed take on war

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    In the books and movies the wizards time and time again show themselves to be a bunch of moronic morons.
    Sure they have some really overpowered and broken stuff but they'd lose this war due to their own incompetence and inevitable infighting.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Children's books for girls and extreme normies. Adults that think about Harry Potter weird me out.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Wizzards would just go full guerilla.
    Probably a lot of suicide whizzarding against high ranking personell and politicians.
    After few happening muggle leaders would go underground to places wizzards dont know about.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bro just do right wing south American dictator coup shit on the wizzers. Muggles have plenty of experience doing that.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    One thing to keep in mind is that most wizards aren't particularly powerful, and can't do the crazy OP shit that powerful wizards can do. So while there might be thousands of wizards in the UK, the number that would be useful in a war would be far smaller. However, the competent powerful wizards would be able to wreck some serious shit. Someone like Dumbledore could just apparate into the Kremlin, and imperio Putin to launch all his nukes at the US and collapse muggle civilization.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >imperio Putin
      Wouldn't be enough. To make sure nukes actually fly, you'd need to imperio the guys sitting on all the buttons.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Felix Felicis.
    Apparate.
    Imperio.
    Nuclear armageddon wipes out a few billion muggles and 90% of their industrial base.
    Wizarding forces involved: A handful.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Voldemort was not moronic. He just continually got fricked over by absurd luck and bullshit obscure magical phenomenon. There, I fricking said it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah you said something moronic, how brave.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, I’m right. The only objectively bad decision he made was choosing to duel Harry in the graveyard. And even then he got fricked over the brother wands, which absolutely nobody could have expected to happen.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          He would disagree with you considering he literally says "attacking the baby after killing the mother was a frick up I know about that magic I shouldn't have risked it"

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >tries to kill a child
      >BTFO
      >plenty of chances to kill said child in 1st book
      >BTFO at end of the year
      >4th book, evil monologue
      >BTFO in front of his slaves
      >5th book
      >BTFO by dumbledore AND the child again
      >moves out of shadows
      >literal LE MONKE moment
      >7th book, enraged after his mad b***h got BTFO by a literal housewife
      >moments later BTFO for the final time

      Voldemort is a mongoloid confirmed.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Forcing Harry to sacrifice himself was moronic. Voldy knew why his spell backfired on him and said he wouldn't make the same mistake again, but he did anyway.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He never said such thing.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          He still knew why it happened.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No, he didn't know why it happened. He was clueless until the very end.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              He never said such thing.

              >they went into hiding because of the witch hunts
              Because they'd rather hide than impose their will; the witch burnings were said to be so ineffective some witch took it as a joke to be "burned" over and over
              >or because they couldn’t
              They seem capable enough, given they can hush up a series of high-profile attacks with glowie-tier super-efficiency

              [...]
              literally never happened

              >You see, when dear sweet Lily Potter gave her life for her only son, it provided him with the ultimate protection, I could not touch him. It was old magic, something I should have foreseen.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You're missing that Dumbledore layered Harry with at least three counters to Voldemort's spell the second time round

        [...]
        It's been a long ass time, but can't these homosexuals just conjure gold bars and currency at will?

        Can't

        If they can, why isn't every wizard rich (like those Weasley hobos)? Maybe it's impossible.

        Exactly
        Wizards don't live in a post-scarcity society; there are limits to magic

        How does a farmer who can instantly magic away labor even become poor.

        Obviously due to limitations on the magic

        Because they had seven kids on the income of a low to middling level government employee.

        They were cash poor but land rich.

        Wizarding basket of goods =/= muggle basket of goods
        >cash poor but land rich
        IRL there are theoretical "millionaires" who live pretty basic lives; for example, if you inherited a fully paid-up townhouse in the middle of London, but you work a pretty average job

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >You're missing that Dumbledore layered Harry with at least three counters to Voldemort's spell the second time round
          Harry could've died for real and Voldy would've still lost
          With Harry dead, he would never even find out Draco was the real owner of the wand

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Voldemort was not moronic.
      >gets btfo’d by a baby
      >not moronic
      I know most of his failures are for plot purposes but he also makes stupid decisions. He could have imperio’d Peter pettigrew and had him stab Harry. Game over. My main complaint is how he hid some horcruxes. Why couldn’t he hide one at the bottom of the ocean? Or at least the English Channel? Make it somewhere impossible for others to find or get to but he could magically retrieve it. Hell just apparate to the top of Everest and bury it. That last one would require wizards to not be moronic so it can’t happen

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can't wizards just make new spells? A few years into the war a broom raid will fly over a city while casting "Expecto Plutonium!"
    The war will end the day after

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wizards can barely dress themselves.

      90% of their war meetings on how to deal with the muggle menace would have Billious Wonkor or Scrumbly Dumperwiener wasting most of the meeting insisting that the best way to beat the muggles would be to knit them all sweaters that turn your nose green or some shit while at least one ministry member insisted that Muggles do not exist.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You shouldn't be concerned with the average wizard any more than you should be concerned with the average nogun civvie.
        You should be concerned with the handful of competent ones, be they Dumbledore- or Snape tier, the death eaters who managed to fit in just fine with muggles before ambushing the trio in a diner, Kingsley Shacklebolt becoming the prime minister's most trusted aide, the likes.
        The average wizard doesn't matter at all.
        A handful of the elite can enact total muggle death entirely on their own.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >HARRY DID YOU JUST ORDER ANOTHER WIZARD WAVE ON VUHLEDAR?
    >CHRIST HARRY WE JUST LOST ANOTHER 70 HUFFLEPUFFS TO GAIN A FEW YARDS OF INSIGNIFICANT MUD
    >DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR UP MY ASS THE MINSTRY ALREADY IS AFTER WE LOST THAT DRAGON TO A FRICKING STARSTREAK
    >YOU DO REALISE THAT I CAN'T AWARD GRIFINDOR ANY MORE THAN 30 POINTS FOR THIS

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If wizards decide to play dirty, they can team up with creatures that are completely impossible for Muggles to fight, like Dementors. A few souls munched here and there, and Muggles will be forced to relent.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >stab through the heart of a magician with his wand
    >shove the wand with the heart up the magazine well of rifle
    >infite target seeking bullets

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