Is it possible to get a bullpup setup with a pin and welded 9mm suppressor with a total length of just 16 inches? This would be a home defense setup.
16-inch 9mm Bullpup with Welded Suppressor
Is it possible to get a bullpup setup with a pin and welded 9mm suppressor with a total length of just 16 inches? This would be a home defense setup.
Just use a high capacity pistol instead of overpriced PCC trash. God I hate PCC's so much it's unreal.
But I could aim better and have rifle optics on it.
You can also take HRT and transition seeing as you enjoy gay things like PCC's. Just get AR-15 pistol if you want something like that for home defence.
It's not gay to not want to shoot through your neighbors' houses and potentially kill them with rifle ammunition, which is something that can even happen in rural settings, and I would know. After thinking about it for a while, an ideal setup would probably be a 300 blackout bullpup with a pin and welded suppressor and a dual magazine that would allow me to quickly switch between subsonic and supersonic ammo, with subsonic being the default ammo to minimize the chances of killing my neighbors. A bullpup would be ideal, because it's silly to worry about accuracy and a less-than-ideal trigger for a home defense gun.
The issue I have with PCC's is that most pistol cartridges are designed to utilize all their powder by the time the bullet leaves 4 inches of barrel. You're not really getting any benefit by shooting a pistol bullet out of a carbine length barrel.
>You're not really getting any benefit by shooting a pistol bullet out of a carbine length barrel.
Actual data from various tests performed on different 9mm cartridges would beg to differ. 17 inches seems to be the longest barrel length before velocity begins to drop.
https://firearmwiki.com/wiki/9mm_Velocity_by_Barrel_Length
Yeah, its a couple hundred fps maximum. Big whoop. Buy a shotgun for home defence. PCC's are gay.
A linear increase in velocity results in an exponential increase in energy. That's how physics works.
You're better off using 300blk for home defence if you really want to go that route. Why would you spend upwards of a grand to mall-ninja out some 9mm PCC when a $350 shotgun will do the same job? PCC's toys with no practical application.
Anon he didn't say "velocity begins to drop", just real benefit. Your own chart shows getting 80-90% of the 17" barrel velocity out of pistol length. PCC isn't actively hurting it sure but neither is it really doing anything for it except making it mildly easier to shoot. It's still not coming remotely close to the performance of even 5.56.
>It's still not coming remotely close to the performance of even 5.56.
As mentioned before, I really don't want to accidentally kill my neighbors or cause significant damage to their property if a few bullets hit their house. Pistol caliber ammunition and subsonic 300 blackout won't go very far or do as much damage to a person if they do impact. I personally know of three cases where people's houses were unintentionally shot in the country. IN THE COUNTRY!
>I really don't want to accidentally kill my neighbors or cause significant damage to their property
Then do it on purpose.
stop liking what I don't like!
my subjective taste is objectively correct and those who disagree are objectively wrong
If the OAL is 16" surprise it's a SBR
You need an OAL of 26" and a barrel + pin & weld muzzle device/suppressor of 16" for it to be a rifle
>Is it possible to get a bullpup setup with a pin and welded 9mm suppressor with a total length of just 16 inches? This would be a home defense setup.
What's the point? It's an SBR anyway, so might as well just have the suppressor be separate. If you mean something that wasn't an SBR then as says you're confused, to not be an SBR you need a 16+ inch BARREL -and- 26+ inch OAL, not 16" oal. You certainly can do that (9-12" barrel plus enough can to hit 16/26) though the optimal round for that would probably be 300bo and I don't think there are any of those yet. 9mm doesn't really make sense in this application, it doesn't gain anything from long barrels. P90 could be an ok foundation in the other direction.
But the only reason to really care about the SBR bit is if you're talking it with you across state lines a lot. Suppressors don't require any forms. But for pure home defense who cares.
>P90 could be an ok foundation in the other direction.
Basically pin and weld a suppressor to the end of a P90 barrel?
Yeah, 5.7 suppresses ok out a 10-16" (though it's dog shit out a handgun). P90 is certainly a neat little tack driller. But again for home defense for what fucking purpose? It's not saving you anything worth the downside if you're not taking it around the country a lot. Honestly I'm not even sure why someone would want ultra tiny for home defense anyway. One of the whole advantages of being at home is you don't have to worry about size/weight, you know you're own house and are the defender. You can have places with cover that command a choke, have your family and serious valuables on the other side, set up lights to reinforce that as well, and just go camp there until cops/neighbors show up and/or home invader is dead. If you really want something shorter a regular bullpup is already going to take 10-14" off an AR pattern in OAL and give you full power rifle round. 1-4moa accuracy is completely fine at home defense range.
Ultra tiny/light/compact could make sense for a fun woods gun, but it's not really worth the trouble for home defense or regular use imo. At least as long as SBRs and suppressors are on the NFA.
>Honestly I'm not even sure why someone would want ultra tiny for home defense anyway.
More maneuverability. It's the same reason why special forces have traditionally carried shorter guns.
>More maneuverability. It's the same reason why special forces have traditionally carried shorter guns.
Again, lol wut? Special forces ARE THE HOME INVADERS anon, not the defenders! They do indeed have to go into strange unknown buildings on the offense and do room clearing, over and over again (amongst other jobs). Yeah in that case compact makes a lot of sense.
But if it's YOUR home you don't need to do any room clearing shit, you just camp a fortified choke with the heaviest firepower you can. Same as defending any fixed position really. Even if you do need to move you should still have all the advantages of known terrain and prep. Full size shotguns? Battle rifles? Great home defense guns. I mean sure, have your handgun on you too, though even then at home I'd just have my full size, no reason to worry about concealment.
If you don't want to accidentally kill your neighbors while trying to defend yourself and your property, then you really don't want to use anything that's more powerful that pistol ammunition. You really don't want to risk getting a manslaughter charge.
>If you don't want to accidentally kill your neighbors while trying to defend yourself and your property
My nearest neighbors are a half mile away through woods.
>then you really don't want to use anything that's more powerful that pistol ammunition.
lol wut. 12ga with 00 is a lot more powerful than pistol ammo and won't penetrate for shit.
>You really don't want to risk getting a manslaughter charge.
Oh you're a fuddlore spouting retard nvm.
Tbh unless you're going to be clearing your house get an innocuous looking semi auto shotty with an 18" barrel
why do noguns teenagers always post hypothetical threads like this
It is but bullpups need to come out with a .357sig barrel. You'd have off the shelf ammo hitting 800 foot pounds of energy and underwood or buffalo bore getting 900fpe which is close to what a 10" 5.56 can do. PLUS .357sig uses the same thread pitch and cans as 9mm. But all of this makes too much sense so it will never happen.
...but why wouldn't you just use 5.56 or 300bo then? 23" with a 13" barrel is already pretty decent.