>139 Posted on March 16, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor You now remember that Europeans spend 20% of what Americans spend for the same quality of suppressor.
It's not even that: american manufactures, despite there being intense competition, all choose to use extravagant manufacturing methods like sinter printing, maching from billet, or have a bill of materials for like eleventy jillion parts.
At the end of the day, a pipe with washers tack welded will accomplish 90% of what all these "innovators" accomplish, but alas these are veblen goods since the entry point is $200 no matter what you do.
I want PSA to start making silencers and marketing them for bottom of the barrel prices. I'm talking 50-100 dollars if you didn't consider the stamp prices.
The big issue with the US market is, is that there absolutely can be no faults with a can or absolutely no one will buy from that company for a decade. YHM makes "cheap" cans out of inconel and stainless steel because if it breaks there is no easy, or in the case of serial number getting fucked, any way of fixing it and getting a new one takes at minimum 9 months and another $200. There was a picture of a YHM with colored welds and arfcom freaked the fuck out. PSA is notorious for shitty first gens and bad QC. A single public failure would ruin the department. Their AKs are just now starting to recover publicity wise.
If the tax stamp + wait weren't a thing $100 mild steel cans would flood the market and no one would give a shit about failures.
This, though some failures are acceptable so long as the warranty and service is there and they design it such that the serial number survives and it can be repaired. But of course a gold plated warranty costs money too, spread out amongst all the customers. A bunch of companies even offer a complete single zero questions incident, like you can flat out install it wrong and baffle strike and they'll still repair it free (once), then for a small fee after. That adds confidence for everyone who is putting so much raw time into this. But it's also a universal retard tax/insurance.
Without that there'd still be nice cans, but even there warranty might get split out a bit more.
>Wahhhh I wish stuff was shittier
>i can't even find a joke for that holster honest to god
>tenga egg textured can
So are you going to post a can? I can keep going.
maybe spend less on meme guns and buy your self some land, then you wont have to be a range cuck. bet you owe on a 80k$ truck that don't have a singe scratch in the bed. I know your type. (not even him)
post gun with suppressor, even a shitty yuropoor cope can
*baffles fall apart due to poor heat treating*
works on my machine
Yuropoor here. I already have a license and was looking to buy an AR soon. (Either an Haenel or a DD)
>yuropoor cope can
Should I really buy an expensive suppressors? (I was eyeing a BT one. Some of my friends tell me I should just buy a cheap 120 euro titanium suppressor and throw it away every year.
Get an Ase Utra Dual Gen 2, or a Silent Steel if that's more your speed but Silent Steels are a little more finicky mounting-wise. You may need a little flick of the wrist to get it to stay on without loosening.
Can prices are inflated due to the cost of a stamp. You can get people to spend just a bit more on your suppressor because they're inevitably going to have to spend an extra $200 regardless
>equates the unnecessary amount of bullshit used to hike up prices of suppressors as a meaning of quality
Dead Air suppressors are "innovative" yet they're far shittier than other suppressors and have constant issues with QC and even customer service despite their cost
>lemme get uh
>blade runner apartment block 315
>no idgaf what you put inside it
>You now remember that Europeans spend 20% of what Americans spend
In general? Sure.
>for the same quality of suppressor.
lol no. It's just that America due to its warped fucked market has the medium to high end only. High end cans, high end warranties. And as always there are diminishing returns. But no a rando european cheap can doesn't do as well in every respect as a good quality 3D printed titanium can.
>At the end of the day, a pipe with washers tack welded will accomplish 90% of what all these "innovators" accomplish
Objectively wrong. Not subjectively, objectively. Pew science and others measure it in a repeatable standardized manner. There is a major gulf between that old style of can performance and modern ones, even before things like back pressure, size and weight.
I bet you think manufacturers are colluding to keep them as nfa items to maintain an artificial level of entry and high pricing for high profit margins.
"Good enough" isn't good enough for people with higher standards
Bet the good enough anon has 8 shitty AR’s and various crappy handguns all costing below $800. But even that is being better than a no gun europoor
I am only replying to state my disdain for 3D printing and 3D print fags
why would you need a silencer when you can have ear pro?
because it's an interesting device? because fun? because having what they don't want you to have? because fuck you?
Because it's significantly more pleasant, especially indoors.
Also with subsonic 9mm and a tiny gun like an MP5 or something and a binary trigger it's just...it's impossible not to smile.
the silencer isn't for you, its to keep your neighbors from hating you.
This is like asking why is OK for morons to scream, be loud and annoying in public when you can use ear plugs. Please stop being a retard.
my nexest neighbourino is 1km away from me, inbetween us is forrest
Better felt recoil
Better flash suppression
>why would you need a silencer when you can have ear pro?
Other anons already said "others" so not covering that. But personal: Worn earpro, both over the ear muffs and earbuds, has a theoretical perfect maximum ~1-3kHz sound reduction of around 40dB, because that's the level your skull itself will dampen. So even with some magical power super muff that literally reduced all sound coming in to zero, you'd still only have 40dB reduction in these critical frequencies (critical because peak output power for firearms is around there too). At higher and lower you get maybe 50-54dB reduction.
Most guns though are 155-175dB. Guns are loud. At the upper end of that, 40dB reduction would still leave you at 135. And that's perfect, which for most people is hard even doubling up. If something isn't worn right, the seal isn't quite tight, it's gotten a little old, a bunch of other things and now you drop down to more like 30dB. And on the gun side, do you ever shoot inside or next to hard surfaces like walls or cliffs? Anyone else shooting around you? Pic related for NIOSH recommended exposure limits. Do the math.
Meanwhile suppressors double up perfectly. They're reducing absolute sound levels before any earpro comes into play. Take off 20-40 with a can and then another 30 with earpro and now you're down into long usage safe. You have more margin for making mistakes. Or needing to shoot in a defense situation without earpro at all.
Your call, but they should be considered basic safety gear and it's only due to America's shit law they aren't.
Also I'll add that one often hears the industry push "140 dB" as the "hearing safe" limit and it's total bullshit. Sound damage is cumulative. Yes, at 140dB or more anyone will experience instant permanent hearing damage from even a single exposure, but that doesn't mean going to an indoor range and going through hundreds of rounds is no problem just because you're at 139 dB, that isn't how it works. Hearing loss has sadly never been taken very seriously in America until pretty recently and there are all sorts of places it gets blown off, guns are just one of many, but gun owners should be way, way angrier at Congress over this than they have been.
lmao don't care nerd
just get earpro and stop being a cuck
>hurr tinnitus and hearingloss shows how cool i am
Why are nocans such sad morones? Is being poor, child level patience, or a criminal really worthy of such cope?
got tested, summer last year, i have very good hearing
im just not a cuck, simple as
>retarded coping nocans polnig
Oh of course.
It's sometimes required in yuro and/or because there's no need to overpay when right to aqcuire one is included in your permit? They're fun and that's it
moron stfu why do you need to speak
Hunting dogs have ears.
kinda sad how many hunters don't think of this or don't care
hunting dogs are a consumable, no different than barrels
Maybe if you're Chinese of Swiss but most people don't eat barrels or dogs
Turning my house into an indoor live fire course
Earpro is a counter to one of the biggest shortcomings of firearms - their noise. Cans are a much better solution.
NFA is so fucking stupid. US will always be cucked until we get rid of this silly shit. I would have a can on all of my guns at this point..
holy reddit replies
It's a raid from 4chan what do you expect?
>every post I don't like is 4chan
some things never change
it’s about the tone and pride in ownership
What in the unholy fuck is that? That thing is really expensive to make.
Flow through baffle design. Instead of simply trapping gas and bleeding back into the bore through a clip, it forces it to take a long path through the can to allow gasses to cool before exiting out the front through separate pathways from the bore. Marginally louder downrange, but quieter at the shooter's ear and significantly lower backpressure through the bore than a fully sealed design.
Huh, thank you for informative reply.
It's not quieter to the shooter. Flow through designs are inherently less effective at trapping the gasses so they they must release more sound.
>Flow through designs are inherently less effective at trapping the gasses so they they must release more sound.
Except testing shows this is wrong
so you may be missing something in your understanding here anon.
While there obviously will be some overlap between a high spec flow through and a low spec traditional, overall there is higher potential in the traditional design. An equivalent production cost, like-for-like comparison of the two designs will always show the traditional design to be superior at pure decibel reduction.
Cans are not meant to quiet for the shooter's ear over the target. That list literally shows the OSS suppressors (yeah, name any other can company btfo so hard they changed their name) all lower quality by a noticeable amount than the other can in just the top 4 compared beyond the shooter's ear. Almost averaging by 25% worse among the three.
>Cans are not meant to quiet for the shooter's ear over the target
Yes they are, that's the primary point. The military measure of "1m right of muzzle" is retarded for civilians, the cans I buy are for me first and foremost. I'm not some "elite operator" and when I'm shooting I'm usually by myself or with friends/family who are behind me not right next to me clearing buildings or some larp shit. The only one within 6 feet of my gun 99.9% of the time is me.
Other can makers optimizing for the outdated shitty ancient measure was a huge problem for the industry up until recently. Imagine actually still defending that stupid shit, what a fucking retard.
>"I'm not some operator"-tier whining to justify shitty earpro or none at all.
You're not getting centerfire rifle rounds under the threshold anyway, you just need enough to take the edge off and reduce the sound signature for anything you fire at. Even hunting (such operator) means the deer less likely to be spooked if they can't detect where the first miss from your dumb ass came from. But stay in your safe space and keep sucking the OSS Horsecockwurx.
>he thinks any earpro short of full helmets is actually protecting him from hearing loss
>i am very angry about a suppressor being objectively superior to others
>a suppressor being objectively superior to others
Need data for decibels at the ear to judge
>Need data for decibels at the ear to judge
Their suppression rating is directly linked to decibels, they clearly describe their entire methodology. That said sure, what do you want compared? The SOCOM556? KGM R556?
Though honestly I feel kind of silly having gotten into this debate around 5.56 because even the "best" one still sucks vs suppression of other calibers, and it's all splitting hairs with 5.56. Anyway here is the flow
here is the r556
and here is the socom556.
And as you can see there isn't much in it. Flow is technically better then the r556 by a couple of db and a better waveform overall, but it's not like if you already had an r556 you'd rush to go sell it and trade up it's not that much difference. Even the socom which is kinda old tech by can standards now is still cutting noise. All of them are too loud to use without some earpro outside of emergencies. I personally lean towards giving lower backpressure a bonus all else being equal, same with weight/size, even if you have an adjustable block. But if you do have things tuned fine already again kinda theoretical. But if buying brand new I'm not sure why one wouldn't just buy from whoever had the best mix right then.
The only question mark for me would be very new companies, purely out of fear about what would happen if they vanished. All these guys have been around a while though.
Also these are all about the worst-case scenarios, in terms of absolute performance all of them should do a lot better in a 16" (let alone 20") barrel then a fucking 10" loudenboomer. Or even 11.5". I would like it if they could test them all at multiple barrel lengths though I recognize that'd massively multiply the work and to really be meaningful they'd have to go back and retest dozens of previous cans on top. Might as well see them under more challenging conditions though I guess.
And they haven't tested everything on the planet either and things are moving quicker now. Like DD just beat out CGS at 30cal last year, and with a can that is shorter and cheaper (too late for me to buy it). But at the same time I'm not willing to assume anything is better before it's tested either because there has been so much snake oil, just like audiophile garbage.
It looks like an air raid siren mating with a sea cucumber
I appreciate the effort put into machining that geometry, but how efficient is this?
>Carbon fibre sleeve on a rifle can
Seems suspect. How the fuck is it containing the pressure?
Yeah I was right to be suHispanicious.
These are made for airguns you gigantic gay.
suppressor: le refined gentlesir, conducting his operations with decorum and aplomb
unsuppressed: Abner and Javier in their 2009 g35 with the rattlecanned hood and aftermarket exhaust driving past your bedroom window at 3am
Interesting fact about UK gun laws: There are no restrictions on suppressors in anyway. If you have a loicence you can get a suppressor, its not seen as some scary tactical device but a polite way of keeping noise down.
Some Euro countries you don't even need a license to buy them.
Its funny to me that countries with more restrictive firearms laws than America are actually way less strict when it comes to things like this.
its to stop noise pollution, if they trust you with a gun why wouldn't they trust you with a silencer?
As a Euro, can confirm
>magdumping with semis at range because freedom ain't free
>range manager suddenly drives in tyres screeching (it's normally unmanned)
>"would it kill you guys to get suppressors goddamn you're making too much of a racket"
The entire point of adding suppressors to the NFA was because FDR was a communist, and as such he wanted the American population to starve during the great depression rather than poach game.
Absolutely radiant comment. 3.6 roentgen minimum. Should have refused to sign up if they couldn't give you the MOS you wanted.
I own an old hatch with lots of scratches.
city cuck, quit the cope you are low T and always will be
You post a can too.
BTW, now that I think about it, I remember Black Aces Tactical made a sub $200 suppressor. It sucked dick and they stopped making them.
>post a felony online
stupid manlet I don't ask daddy government for permission like you. go back to spending your cubicle coupons on metal cans that can be made in 15 minutes by real men.
Your Home Depot drill is not a DMLS printer or a lathe, cleetus.
Hm? I do not follow.
yet with a welder and 10$ worth of supplies I can make something 90% as good as what you got.
then go legally shoot it off my front porch because I didn't waste all my money on range toys
Man this board is crawling with glowies. You shouldn't talk about anything legally questionable, fbi snitches and bitches could be lurking this very thread.
They are, we all are. But on a serious note he's either a fed or a moron who's gonna post it on Facebook later. Just ignore trolls anon.
No, you can't. Shut the fuck up, and quit bitching because someone has better weapons then you.
YOU could make a crude and excessively heavy piece of shit which would provide modest suppression.
moron you wouldn't even know how to turn the welder on, shut the fuck up
He is right.
No need for commie language. The government doesn't own the wildlife. Poaching doesn't exist, only killing.
Fuckin commie gays. They are no fun.
Someone lifted the rock and our boy went into overdrive. Keep going schlomo. Gotta earn that unaccompanied housing stipend + 700/month
Tryhard newfag. Go back.
Presumably you want to get rid of social security, medicare, the EPA, and corporate taxes I take it?
I wrap FDR, Communism, and intentional starvation into one joke and think I'm against government services? Cmon man. But yes, fuck social security I'm tired of paying into it.
Social security and Medicare, absolutely. They're government-run ponzi schemes that pass the buck down to people who will never benefit from it. I'm never going to be able to reap any of the social security benefits I'm paying countless thousands of dollars of federal taxes into, and there's a sliver of possibility I might reap Medicare in the event I get into some horrid car accident and become a cripple on SSDI or something. Even then, I'd rather not be betting against myself. Both systems are either going to be completely overhauled (doubtful), this country will split apart, or the Medicare/SS system I pay into will be completely insolvent come the 40ish years I have until I can collect benefits.
You smell of reddit from your shitty low-IQ smarmy reply.
The first three do absolutely nothing for me, and the last one is meaningless as corporations don't pay taxes anyways.
Who's sending me one? I got 200 USD for your time.
such is life under gnomish rule
In Britain, suppressors are encouraged to reduce noise pollution. In America, they're suppressed to "reduce crime", as if no suppressor ever stopped a man from shooting another.
You can buy the same shitty direct thread rifle cans that melt after 90 rounds at any single time in the US too, you just still have to pay almost double what the Euros do due to the stamp cost. That's why in the USA the overbuilt higher end cans are more popular.
The fuck? The classic gunsmith special can in Europe is both super cheap and heavy and lasts forever. Plenty of those around in addition to more modern ones.
Why post on something you have never tried and know nothing about?
Anon the shitty direct thread cans in the OP also are super cheap and last forever, if you don't magdump all day. Your cheap can is not justasgood and its been proven countless times.
You can get a full auto rated flow-through can for less than €600 though
At that point we're just talking about the tax stamp cost difference and its a 25%ish one
I'd say 1/4 of the price more or less makes quite a bit of a difference
...ignoring that corresponding models in the US cost twice that without the stamp?
You made the assertion, not my problem if you fail to back it up.
Okay. I google the Surefire SOCOM 556 and get an MSRP of $1199. Now you.
Same price as you.
Why on earth would you get that rather then a flow 556k? It has mediocre performance for something top end expensive, and there are other ones that will do as well or even a bit better for hundreds less.
Still $1100. The Silent Steel Compact Streamer is €550.
We have 500 dollar ish cans that are full auto rated.
Must be inferior anyway
you could get m4-2ks a few years ago for 500 bucks. Probably best suppression you can get for under $600.
YHM turbo K comes to mind
Even their turbo t2 could be had for 400ish. The t3 is.new so I'm not sure of the price.
Otter Creek, YHM, AAC
Uh, yeah? I thought you were comparing to high end cans? The Flow 556k demolishes everything else in 5.56 suppression to the shooter performance, and is very low backpressure on top.
If you just want something middle of the pack and cheaper then a decent can like an OCL Polonium-K is ~$530.
>The Flow 556k demolishes everything else in 5.56 suppression to the shooter performance
Surely you can post proof?
>Surely you can post proof?
Sure? Here you go. And unlike some cans it doesn't come with a lot of caveats either. Like for 30cal I've got the Hyperion amongst others and have compared it along with a bunch of friends cans with our own dinky mics and subjective assessments, and it does work very well. But it's also big and very high back pressure, if you don't have a highly adjustable gas block it's trash. Flow though does well for 5.56 in terms of suppression for the shooter, but it's also low back pressure and only 5.5" long (hyperion is lol 9.5").
>Expensive =/= high end
Expensive = expectation of high end anon. If you're buying at the $1k+ mark, you should be expecting the absolute best. Hence why I asked. If you're getting something for $400 (or $100 for those in markets with truly cheap cans, or the good old form1 "fuel filters" before ATF suddenly went shit there) then some tradeoffs are fine. But something that's expensive SHOULD be high end too, if it's not there is no reason to buy it. Socom isn't a cheap can, so its lack of high end performance isn't ok.
Probably going to get a 556k as my next can. My current Sandman S is loud as fuck in comparison.
Granted 5.56 just doesn't suppress that well period, but yeah the new stuff they can do now has made impressive progress across all calibers but it particularly shines with hard to suppress ones. Not like the Sandman was a cheap can either.
I guess my real personal concern mainly comes down to wondering if this year or next we're going to see a bunch of further innovation. The industry is only just barely really getting going with exploring what better CFD+additive manufacturing can do. This is also a place where the NFA wait time really fucking sucks even harder, simply because you can buy something and then have something better come out months before you even get to use what you got. That'll settle down again at some point but in the mean time fuck damn it.
>The industry is only just barely really getting going with exploring what better CFD+additive manufacturing can do.
IKR. I can't wait for Jay to measure some of the new Sig cans. I'm also interested to see if it's possible to make something measure like the full size Hyperion while also having low back pressure.
Yeah it's exciting. And is anyone even throwing shit like adversarial iterative generation or ML or whatever at the problem yet? Set up the right sim conditions tied to CFD and weightings, get some richfag backer willing to drop a few million bucks on some serious super computer time and then let it rip and see what pops out the other side, given we can now construct all kinds of wild geometry IRL. I bet there are whole areas of possible designs we've never really considered yet. The next decade is going to be damn cool.
The original patents on these DMLS cans are from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory who has access to government super computers. Not sure if anyone is using generative design algorithms yet or not. You'd need a few experts on fluid dynamics stimulation and AI on a team. Shit's really cool. Maybe if I buy more CGS cans they'll be able to afford some PHDs.
I need decibel values, I can't decipher those ratings
149.3 DB at the shooters ear on a MK18.
I can't find any data for the 5.56 SS Compact Streamer with such a short barrel length but it's 136,7 decibels at the ear with a 16" barrel
Go read the reviews then, it goes indepth into methodology and what it all means. Without detail and covering measurement position "decibel" is meaningless. What platform? What ammo? Which shot number? Is it measured independently or by the manufacturer?
Any data for 16 in barrels at the right ear? I don't really have comparative data for 10 in barrels or such
Still loud enough you need earpro. SUXWRX are still overrated even with Pew Science shilling paid reviews.
Point to the quieter 5.56 can.
Also you need earpro for almost any suppressed normal centerfire round. Only way to get below like 110 is 22lr or combining a good suppressing round and subsonic and a nice can all in a good host. Point of a suppressor is to make you very safe even with basic foamies or whatever. Or help with emergencies.
In all honesty I do find fairly similar numbers for both suppressors. One site claimed 138 – 142 dB at the ear from a 16" barrel for the HUXWRX can
Expensive =/= high end
B&T is garbage but still expensive
YHM is about as cheap as they come in the US and it’s not gonna melt under heavy fire, what cans are you talking about
So what? Can you even use your weapons for anything other than paper punching?
Euro cans suck major cock.
This, and the only good Euro suppressors worth a fuck are the ones that cost as much as Surefire, SiCo, Dead Air, OSS, etc anyways minus stamp cost. These shitty direct thread airsoft tier suppressors work fine for shooting a handful of shots while hunting or shooting your few shots at a range here or there, but it's like comparing a Trabant to a Volvo. Both will get you to point A to point B but you can't get anywhere close to the longevity, reliability, creature comforts as the Volvo.
That's nice. Get back to us when you have a 2nd & 13th amendment, Eurochattel.
>You now remember that Europeans spend 20% of what Americans spend for the same quality of suppressor.
We also pay twice the price for any weapon.
Yeah...I was approached by a shill for our national brand on the range during some happening. I asked him why do I pay 30% more for our own guns than burgers, he got obviously nervous and quickly fucked off.
Yeah, but I pay twice the amount for the gun.
>You now remember that Europeans spend 20% of what Americans spend for the same quality of suppressor.
Of course, that is because euros have no guns to put supressors on, so it's quite difficult market to capture.
Yeah I wish the general fudd and less hardcore shooting audience in America could understand the benefits suppressors bring but since most people get their firearms info from movies and games it's never gonna happen since they're seen as assassins tools that make guns completely silent. As it stands only a minority of a minority of the American public wants suppressors deregulated
>makes gun less concealable
>makes gun quieter for the neighbors
>thick diameter perfect for size-queens
>make gun quieter than mouse fucking
>shoulder thing that goes up
>thirty caliber clip in less than half a second
>can take the lung out of your body
I just want a supp on my 10/22 takedown, is that SO MUCH to ask in this cucked hellhole nation?
Cool, so you can suppress the guns you can't own?
Stale bait get something new
>no, we can totally own guns here!!!
it's not bait.
i'd rather pay 200 bucks and wait a year for all my SBR/suppressors than have to pay a 100 bucks and go through a shitload of bureucracy every time i want a new gun
Yeah, I feel for you Eurobro. Suppressors should be readily available without tax stamps here, but these guys don't even think about how much time and money you all are spending to get a single firearm.
>have to pay a 100 bucks and go through a shitload of bureucracy every time i want a new gun
What country? I don't need to do that in my eurocountry.
That's one of the inherent problems of shit talking in broad terms. The US is a country, and "Europe" isn't so laws can vary a lot more widely. Even in the US there are still state level differences, my state doesn't even have gun permits at all, but it's overall a lot more uniform because there are ground rules. Things do change around as well, we're in relatively major period of legal turmoil when it comes to guns right now in America for example since SCOTUS issued a fairly pro-guns new ruling and now the lower courts will have to spend the next few years figuring out how to apply it, and then that get appealed and slowly sorted out into new precedent.
Americans are fucking retarded. That's the first thing.
Second thing is Americans using adapters for everything. Let me put this straight, if your suppressor isn't a direct thead it's fucking garbage. Case in point, here's a Silent Steel mounted on my 104. The suppressor is great, the adapter is garbage.
>Americans are fucking retarded. That's the first thing.
lol, imagine some fucking yuropoor with your shitty guns and selection and restrictions talking about guns
>Second thing is Americans using adapters for everything. Let me put this straight, if your suppressor isn't a direct thead it's fucking garbage.
>on my 104
>lol, imagine some fucking yuropoor with your shitty guns and selection and restrictions talking about guns
>shitty guns and selection
Kek. I literally can buy whatever FULL AUTO gun i want with the click of a button you retarded stupid moron piece of shit.
Adapters fucking suck dicks. It's a factual statement. You think otherwise because you need to spend 200 (TWO HUNDRED) US DOLLARS + 2 YEARS OF WAITING TIME (TWO YEARS) to get a SINGLE CAN. Therefore the need of (shitty) adapters is mandatory in Wakanda since you need to swap your oh so precious can around. Not here.
Russian made (i know it's hard to believe in Wakanda) marvel of a firearm.
>Kek. I literally can buy whatever FULL AUTO gun i want with the click of a button you retarded stupid moron piece of shit.
no you can't
But... i can factually can you retarded BLM, moron worshipping, third world country living, piece of fucking garbage ?
Because they're American and therefore fucking retarded. You don't add useless tolerances where you have no reasons to.
>cope about 200 dollars that he could spend elsewhere instead of giving it for free to big daddy
>he's proud about it too
No wonder swiss stay neutral, they immediately give up and turn their brains off the moment they realize they may have done something stupid like buy garbage mounts of low quality.
No "good quality mounts" exist for AK to begin with.
What canton are you in? What's their permitting process like?
Post your guns.
Der Erwerb dieses Produktes erfordert eine Ausnahmebewilligung für Seriefeuerwaffen.
>The purchase of this product requires an exemption for serial firearms.
Your point being ? Collector status. They give permits for fa guns. Now compare with Wakanda.
>Der Erwerb dieses Produktes erfordert eine Ausnahmebewilligung für Seriefeuerwaffen.
>>The purchase of this product requires an exemption for serial firearms.
>I can buy it!
>Yeah I need to jump through a bunch of hoops first, but...
L M A O
Now compare said hoops with what you need to do in America to get a FA gun or a """SBR""". Shut up mutt before i act up.
>y-yeah, I need to jump through hoops still, but so do you!
you have to jump through hoops for every single firearm purchase.
I can go 5 minutes down the street, buy any gun on their shelf (of which there are hundreds) and walk out 5 minutes later.
Free and instantly if you're not a bitch with registered guns
>b-b-but illegally i-i
anyway i got a date night gotta bail it was fun mutts (love u btw) see u around
Be sure to douche your asshole properly! Hes not gonna enjoy shit dick.
>get absolutely fucking shit on and have no argument
>"I-I-I have a d-date so I g-g-gotta go. BTFO!!!!"
Der Erwerb dieses Produktes erfordert eine Ausnahmebewilligung für Seriefeuerwaffen. 🙂
Not him but :
>no waiting times
>FA accessible to citizens without bullshit rules
He won. Don't cope.
>>FA accessible to citizens without bullshit rules
Police can literally go to his house and inspect his guns at any time, or if he has a ticket his guns can be confiscated.
You mean like mutts during Katrina ? o___O ?
They complied with unconstitutional overreach and look what happened. Guess what? Thats your future.
Eurofags always claim dumb shit like this but never post their massive stash of full auto silenced SBR's they always have. lmao Best that gets posted are retarded 22's or safe queens from their ranges.
panzi1339 on Instagram. Average swiss gun owner. Get bent mutt.
Does that make you below average?
>Points to someone else instead of their own shit
Always the exact same responses too, the average Amerikang is more pure than all the med and Slavic mutts too, which includes the mountain krauts
I can show you many, many american gun owners with a lot of FA guns.
>post business owner, not citizen, with might be an ATF fed at this stage
>Business owner, not citizen
What fucking bizarre cope is this?
Anon is retarded and thinks that the boomer doesn't reflect the average American gun owner. PrepHole is more inline with the exception than the rule, it's God damned easy to find people at the range who own full auto guns.
This too, my ffl is the same and is only an ffl like most are to get cool shit fast
>and is only an ffl like most are to get cool shit fast
many such cases. the guy with those guns rents them out to people for like $20+the cost of ammo, and originally got his ffl so he could buy a bunch of guns for himself and do transfers for his friends.
even my ffl, who's just some random guy, has several machine guns.
dragonman is an absolute chad though.
>DragonMan is a fed
He's a retarded euro
Did you just point to someone else's fucking Instagram account in response to anon saying you flap your gums about how you can own great shit but never do for some reason?
Is this a parody of a Euro or are they actually like this?
most of our foreign traffic these days is from or at least influenced by /int/ which is essentially 4chan Lite and fueled entirely by spite towards America and the west in general, so the ones you see here are actually that butthurt and obsessed
You mean reddit right. This was a 4chan board until Ukraine, and redditors and glowies flooded the shit out of it. Can't even say moron or garden gnome without farming (you's) from seething reddit garden gnome trannies.
both the redditor refugees and your ilk are equally responsible for the destruction of this board. have a nice day immediately.
>thinks reddit is a glowie-infested hellhole and 4chan is innocent of being a glowie breeding ground
This is why 4chantards are universally disliked, they have absolutely zero self-awareness and aren't funny.
No shit 4chan is infested with glowies and shills, the diffence between 4chan and PrepHole (reddit) is glowies/shilling is now completely absorbed into the discussion and no one points it out. People on 4chan atleast call a Israeli fed a chud. People on PrepHole jerk them off instead, because 40% of the board is redditors themselves
is right, you retards are oblivious and, worst of all, can't be amusing or fun to save your shitty lives. you're all just miserable counts.
4chan exploded in user traffic when one, count it, ONE reddit sub got shit canned, but your smoothbrained self probably can't even describe what it was like pre-r/thedonald so I'm at a loss over why I'm even bothering replying to your newfag ass
This was a FUN board until newfag tourist morongays like you flooded the place with Sandy Cunt in 2012, then more with the 2016 elections, and yet more with the 2020 year of riots. I'm glad you're fucking suffering, you fucking son of a worthless shit eating whore, you deserve it and more, I hope you get raped by a wild pack of morons.
>Wahh my newfag 4chan chuds are the problem
>4chan sucks off Russia constantly in a cringe delusion that they're the saviors of western culture
>Russia invades Ukraine
>4chan and /int/ memes explode on PrepHole and drive down actual board culture and quality
>/pol/tard presents this traffic spike as proof 4chan isn't one of the leading causes of PrepHole's demise
It's not even infuriating anymore, your collective stupidity is just tiring and draining.
>This was a 4chan board until Ukraine
Fuck off with your revisionist history bullshit. It's the fucking opposite: PrepHole was originally for Ukraine and against Russia precisely because we hated 4chan and in particular gays like armatard and all the other vatnik shitposters who spewed BS about Russian superiority and second strongest army etc for years on PrepHole beforehand. It wasn't noble it was personal, people were rooting for Ukraine for being the attacked trying to improve itself underdog a little but mostly because we wanted to see Russia fucking lose. Ukraine then earned respect after that, Russians behaved like shitty fucking animals as well as being pathetic militarily and engaging in constant pathetic cope, 4channigs are all America hating traitors, fags and bots and can't meme etc. But no, we always hated you long before you in particular ever showed up electiontourist.
I hope your son becomes a chud.
Remember the first incarnation of "politically incorrect" when it was /n/ and eventually everyone got so sick of it the rest of the site spambombed it into oblivion with the PENTAGON DEVELOPS GAY BOMB copypasta? Good times. I wish moot hadn't brought it back.
Here hot and fresh from Dec 14 2006 and holy shit why do I still have PrepHole things saved from back then?
>Latest reports indicate several Israeli tanks advancing on entrenched Palestinian strawmen. In a desperate attempt, the Palestinians have tried to mire Israeli tanks in makeshift ethical quandries, but with limited success. In violation of the Geneva convention, Israeli troops have loaded their artillery with holocaust comparison tipped shells and are bombarding the Palestinian position. Neighboring arab countries have emptied into the streets and are busy rioting, ripping their clothes off, cutting their faces, and wailing in front of cameras, in a media bombardment not seen since last week. In the United States, President Bush halted a press conference and joyously covered his skin, hair, and clothes with crude oil delivered in a garden gnomeeled canister to him by an aid. Writhing in orgiastic excstacy, the president crawled off the podium and into some bushes. In colleges and campuses all over the country, liberals have begun burning flags and masturbating to gay pornography broadcast over gigantic projection screens trucked in by the ACLU.
>In a bold first strike, Israeli troops have established a beachhead in the poorly planned Palestinian baby and municians warehouse, and are gorging themselves on the delicious blood within. Palestinians, in frustration and apparent confusion, have emptied into the streets in record numbers to blow themselves up to obtain needed medicine and food. CNN anchors are covered in blood and masturbating each other live on the air while stumbling drunkenly over the carnage before them, sometimes stooping down to clutch at and snack on the ever-increasing pile of bodyparts accumulating in the streets. As I speak several Israeli planes have just buzzed overhead and dropped leaflets filled with nonsensical gibberish before careening wildly into fields inside Iran and Syria. It's hell down here, folks.
And finally since this is long past bump limit an ancient one for anyone anons still here, this is over 10 years old AND STILL JUST AS FUCKING TRUE because 4chan is 4chan.
>This was a 4chan board until
This got to be trolling.
You have equivalents in most EU countries, it's part of the Schengen Treaty. Switzerland has its Act on Personal Military Equipment, the Weapons Act and Weapons Law. Tons of stuff is generally prohibited, far more than the NFA. It's not just full auto and DDs, even nightvision and lasers that attach to guns can be heavily restricted. Shall-issue permits are only for things like revolvers/single action and semis with "low capacity" (actually not an issue for hgs but america style 10-or-less for rifles). May-issue applies to all sorts of stuff and you've even got a sort of SBR thing though the way it's written not sure if it applies to guns that are naturally shorter than 60cm vs shortenable, but there is still a min length thing.
Also this is all Switzerland, which has a unique status and is small and not part of the EU. OP was shit posting about "Europeans" in general. That means we can talk about the gun laws in France or Germany or the Netherlands or Italy or wherever else. Tell us about just ordering a full auto easy peasy there.
>Now compare said hoops with what you need to do in America to get a FA gun or a """SBR"""
may I present to you, my man kreelug
ok im going out now, that video made me laugh morons are great at breaking laws ill give em that
have fun anon
I hope you get a full auto
Concealed carry permits are near impossible to get in Switzerland. Guns can be transported strictly to the range or for hunting, unloaded. To get a permit they may consult a psychologist as well as your doctor, and do a deep dive on your life. I'm not even saying that's wrong, Switzerland is very safe, but to suggest there are fewer hoops is seriously apples to oranges. And Switzerland has been following the EU in getting more restrictive. Used to be all canton-level, for centuries, but first federal regulations started in 1999 and have expanded since. Full auto, suppressors, and even fucking lasers all require special permitting. 4 years ago a referendum passed to follow EU in restricting "high capacity" (lol) magazines. Etc etc.
tl;dr: you're a liar. Switzerland is undoubtedly decent for western europe, but vs the US it's tradeoffs.
I can buy a full power laser, carry my gun anywhere & anytime without a permit, can go into a gun store and walk out with a new gun after signing a single piece of paper that doesn't even get called into NICS due to concealed carry permit. The hoops to a SBR are dumb and gay but don't pretend that you don't have licensing restrictions (assuming you even own guns) and prior to the bracecuck gayry I had e-form 1s for SBRs come back in as little as 2 weeks.
Each nation is a trade-off, I much prefer the nation where I can go anywhere freely with my firearm and aren't subject to firearm audits.
>Full autos (with permit)
>SBRs aren't a thing
>Can't carry guns
>Can't buy NODS/Lasers/Body armor without permit and are heavily restricted
>Can't freely bring guns to wherever because you live in a shoebox of a country
>Majority of states have no licensing at all, if they do most barring a few examples are shall-issue
>No federal firearms audit
>Can buy a gun on a whim within minutes
>Can freely carry in majority of states
>Can buy NODS/Lasers/Body Armor without restrictions
>SBRs and Suppressors are subject to NFA
>No new full autos without a FFL, wholly dependent on the licensing agent and state (some agents couldn't give a fuck who gets a SOT and others are super strict)
>Large enough country that all of the above can theoretically be done and never get caught because no auditing, no licensing, etc
>I can buy it with the click of a button!
>a-after submitting an application...
>making sure morons and white trash can't get their hands on guns is a bad thing
Lmfao getting a permit is so easy for a normal citizen, it only keeps out retards like you from owning a gun
Didnt stop your white trash ass from wiggering up an AK
wasn't me (original swissanon kingposter) here, though
No one uses direct threads in a serious manner besides retards and low tech turdies.
>Adapters fucking suck dicks. It's a factual statement.
maybe in yurostan where you are experts at sucking dick 24/7 whether its brown or less brown (russian) without daddy America guarding you and you wouldn't know quality gun parts, well, ever
>You think otherwise because you need to spend 200 (TWO HUNDRED) US DOLLARS + 2 YEARS OF WAITING TIME (TWO YEARS) to get a SINGLE CAN.
oooooh $200 like an entire 2 hours of work omg
and it took 4 months for my last one which still sucks and shouldn't be the case but lol @2 years
>Therefore the need of (shitty) adapters is mandatory in Wakanda since you need to swap your oh so precious can around. Not here.
I have cans for every gun that isn't integrally suppressed, adapters aren't for swapping it's because 25deg tapered shoulder is better but lots of guns don't have that just 90deg with 1/2 x 28 or 5/8 x 24 internal threading
not retard-kun you're arguing with, but what is the process like for getting a can?
>but what is the process like for getting a can?
Shitty though mildly less so nowadays. The first time you want to get one it's best to put together a trust (usually by just buying one for $50 and getting it notarized), have digital fingerprints made, and make an account with the ATF. You don't ever need to do this again but irritating the first time. From then on it's buy can, pay stamp, do efile, and then wait. And wait. Currently it's like an 8 month wait. Fuck the atf. If you make you're own it's only around 30 days but most people don't have the ability to do that without a kit which have been shut down for now.
As a practical matter though most people don't buy dozens to hundreds of them, so once you get 1-2 for each caliber you're done. Repairs don't need any special process, and warranties are all gold plated. Unlike other restricted stuff you don't need to file any forms or anything to take them between the 42 states they're legal, and federal law protects passing through states they aren't. Could be a lot better but could be worse.
interesting how it went from
>I literally can buy whatever FULL AUTO gun i want with the click of a button
>getting a permit is so easy
>shitty guns and selection and restrictions
I can buy any guns an american can plus many more. Your import restrictions are hilarious
>Americans are fucking retarded
>Tacticools an AK and complains about shit not working like it does on ARs
Nah. The only different thing on an AK is how i will mitigate overgas but KNS fixed that years ago. I'm saying adapters suck dicks. Which they do be do. The last thing you want with a suppressor is adding unnecessary tolerance, length, and overall shit where things could go wrong. I got a barrel. I got threads. I thread the suppressor on the threads. Done.
The notion of adapter only became prevalent because Wakandians are fat as fuck, have to wait one year for a can, and suffer from ADHD so they need to do everything quickly and can't manage to unscrew shit with their fat fingers.
You use a fucking AK and expect things to be like they are on ARs, PEBKAC
AK threads are so loosely toleranced that without an adapter fixing that for you, people can mount them on older manufacture or cheaper but within tolerance rifles and baffle strike the fucking shit out of everything unless they make the suppressor bore overly large
Yeah especially with Saigas you're just asking for trouble. Before the Swissfag appears to talk about something he doesn't understand, I'm a Euro too and have a Saiga and the threads were nowhere close to usable with a suppressor out of the box. I had to take it to a gunsmith, but later ended up selling the can because the straightened-out threads couldn't keep the suppressor tight reliably. There just wasn't enough material left.
>the threads were nowhere close to usable with a suppressor out of the box.
No shit you retard, it's because the threads on the suppressors were made for out of spec american aks.
See how americans always say their muzzle brake wobbles when installed and they say it's normal. Yet it's not, buy an izhmash muzzle brake and it will fit with no wighle whatsoever, same with russian suppressors which fit immediately on saigas /mks.
You never owned a saiga.
Yeah no, it was a Saimaa Still and I have only seen a handful of clap AKs in country
Finnish direct mount suppressors for m24x1,5 are made under american specs. For bigger sale market and tooling.
Buy a real pbs 4 from russia or import one from belarus and you'll see.
>Finnish direct mount suppressors for m24x1,5 are made under american specs.
No. They were first made before 2014 so they were probably hoping for Russian/Bulgarian military sales and Saigas are dime a dozen in Finland, wouldn't make any sense for them to manufacture to "American" specs. FWIW my real-ass Izhmash muzzle brake wobbled from the factory too. AU doesn't even make M24x1.5 suppressors anymore because "the threads on Russian rifles are not suitable for suppressor use" or some shit
>FWIW my real-ass Izhmash muzzle brake wobbled from the factory too.
Mine didn't, not a single one I ever saw at my local gun store ever so much wobble a little bit. You never owned a saiga.
I will post it later because now I must unfortunately wagecuck.
There she is. Way old pic
Thanks, I barely shoot her these days because ammo shortage
dude 5.56 is back to normal infinite amounts and is like 35cpr
Uhh did you notice that a 7.62 AK was posted
And it's Finland too, where everyone and their grandma owns an AK, so the hoarding is insane
oh so you really went with akRAP rather then gAR-15 oh well that's a darn shame :^)
I just got an AR two weeks ago geez
ah well nevermind then just ruzing you, in all seriousness enjoy your guns. but also can you not order ammo international? 7.62x39 is readily available in the states even if people here dont really care about it. thousands of rounds on order for <38cpr. which isn't cheap per se by us standards but hardly breaking the bank either. or is that the price there and you guys are just use to it being as dirt cheap as it once was?
Intl orders are possible but may be a shitload of hassle depending on the countries involved. I'd rather not. From some countries you just outright can't ship by parcel.
>You never owned a saiga.
I's a shit tier knock off Pancor Jackhammer, who gives a shit?
>says the noguns who at most can get a fucking pioneer or KUSA
Shut the fuck up vatrat. 90% of Ruskie guns are shit tier.
>meanwhile the best american made aks are like this
Is this why you mutts resort to buying those sporterized abominations saigas for 2-3k usd?
M4>>>>>>AK you gay.
True, but that's not the point of the discussion.
I like my American guns
sorry euroanon. If you like your european ak styles that's cool too, would like to see them with the cans you picked (amd hamdguns and cans too since this is a suppressor thread), but you're being kinda selective here? I know nothing about AKs so I don't know if there are any decent ones made here or not, but I do know they're not popular in general so to the extent they aren't I'd assume that's just a function of it not getting investment due to not much market. Same if people who get them do so because they see them as cheap, obviously that makes things worse.
Silent Steel QD stuff has always been a little iffy, still, not many other choices for AKs
>*seizes on your barrel*
heh, nothing personnel kiddo
As a brit an American anon working the exact same job as me will make like 50k more a year so it doesn't really matter
2. Months to years for a can.
3. No full auto.
Rent a cuckshed apartment
Tried getting clout in /akg/ by being an obnoxious retard until you got bullied out
Are yuropoor and have no property rights so jaywalking can lead to you losing your guns.
Let's see Paul Allen's full auto
Oh great someone pissed off the low self esteem apartmentcuck swissmoron
>ITT: Eurotrash vs Chadmericans
I didn't realize how annoying Swissfags were until the recent few threads here as well as in /akg/ have been flooded with them contributing nothing then spamming "MUTTS MUTTS MUTTS MUTTS moronS MUTTS BLM chud" like they have fucking tourettes. I don't even remember the last time I saw a Mexican.
it's mostly likely the same 1 or 2 guys.
There's one apartment dweller who has a Tula with some Zenitco on it and I believe he has Narcissistic personality disorder because he thinks a flex that is doable for a middle class American makes him special.
Ok i'm back from my date. It was nice. Where were we, again ?
Nah. I just like to shitpost, Americans have very thin skin it's hilarious.
>full auto original tula doable for middle class american
Hehehehehehehehehehehe. Whatever floats your boat BILLY.
No, they're just my slaves (underpaid btw) i employ to spread my parole on other boards.
>yeah i totally touched a girl guiz after using all my totally real guns that are real just like my GIRLFRIEND haha
>i was only PRETENDING to be retarded
>when i got btfo that w-was m-mutts seething ;_;
>yeah i totally touched a girl guiz after using all my totally real guns that are real just like my GIRLFRIEND haha
My guns are real just like my gf.
>when i got btfo that w-was m-mutts seething ;_;
They do be seething doe. But i understand. I'm merciful. If i had to wait 1 year for a suppressor and wasn't able to own FA guns because i'm not a "FFL" i would be too.
It is how it is.
>doesn't and has never posted any guns
It seems that you do not follow my blogposting on /akg/. I'm disappointed. Yet merciful since it's true that i barely even post nowadays, i got bored of the thread. Got sick of looking at babbys first WASRs and PSAs. So much a man can handle.
>no time or post stamp
little disappointed. But assuming they're real
otherwise at least you have a good holo. On the guns themselves I can't judge, not into AKs. But hope they shoot well for you.
Can on AKs =/= cans on ARs.
I don't have any ARs myself.
I'm still trying to find a good one. Silent Steel disappointed myself with their god forsaken adapter.
For AKs it's basically Silent Steel or hunt down the older Saimaa Stills, AU doesn't bother with any AK that's not the RK 95
>For AKs it's basically Silent Steel
But why though. Flowthrough ? I'll just get a KNS in that bitch and case closed.
They have next to no back pressure while I've heard the KNS pistons are very finicky. I think there are older direct thread Ase Utras for the Saiga threads if you plan to go the KNS route
Never heard that. Anyway, i got plethora of choice when it comes to direct thread for my AKs. Wyssen Defense, Rotor 43, shit even B&T custom inconel. Needed to solve gas issue first. Silent Steel is great and all that, but the adapter throws off the suppressor alignement so it's a direct road to baffle strike town. Pointless, really.
Get a G33. Not a G43. At least on my AK the G43 is a bit too short, a G33 would have been more tailored for eye relief due to length.
Thanks for the advice, also I apologize for being one of those shitters in /akg/ posting babby's first AK. I just can't justify ponying up for a nicer option given the rape prices a basic Zoompap or WASR commands in this market. Must be a much less shitty experience on the euromarket
I thought SS did direct thread suppressors for the M24x1.5 thread now anyway?
They do ? Well my retailer didn't told me about it. Weird.
Noice. Yeah i'll wait for a message from my retailer. To be fair i was very angry towards SS and the issues i had with their adapters.
The issue with SS suppressors and their QD systems is probably that they hung themselves from the AU QD thread (because many people will already have AU muzzle devices) but can't include the AU pin and detent because AU would sue them for everything they have.
>but the adapter throws off the suppressor alignement so it's a direct road to baffle strike town.
Then they aren't great they're shit. Adapters should reduce bafflestrike chance if anything. This is an area though where the fucked up American market has resulted in real innovation, the adapters and qd etc can get very good.
Their first mistake (they're not the only ones doing that) is not including a notch so the pin and detent system on AK can lay inside.
>not including a notch so the pin and detent system on AK can lay inside.
They can't do that as 99% of all US made AK that they can get are literal shit never made to any real spec.
all aks are shit. complete meme gun lmao
gayR15 fags seethe at sovlfull designs
They've started recently making mounts with 14x1lh threads but that's a pretty new development.
How do you like that magnifier? I just got my EXPS3-4 and now in the market for a magnifier
nta but cheers to a fellow bullpup anon. Bullpups for all their tradeoffs do particularly shine with cans imo.
The swiss posters are a Peruvian and a Moortuguese guy. They’re well known on /int/ and PrepHole for seething non stop about a myriad of topics, from US influence to the fact that many in the US do not view meds as white, the Peruvian is a self hating Nazi who unironically thinks he’s white and constantly postes fetish threads about importing white people to South America to bleach his people while he shitposts as a neet from Switzerland or Sweden (moves between the two)
For PrepHole especially, just bear in mind he owns no guns, as he is an expat that primarilly resides in Sweden and has no papers in the mountain kraut land. Do as we do on /int/ and ignore him
Back in 08 when I would post my guns here on PrepHole as an euro I would get interested replies and just people wanting to talk about guns etc. Now it seems like no matter what you post it's always a us vs them.
We should be united againsts noguns, no matter where they are from rather than a muh mutts muh yuropoors shitfling.
This isn't really true. If you buy a direct thread aluminum suppressor that your average fudd hunter uses in his bolt action then yeah you can get a suppressor far cheaper than in the US because there is no need to make it hyper robust. Same also applies for .22 suppressors because they don't have tax stamp shenanigans like in the US so you can buy your average .22 suppressor for like 40 to 100 eurobucks depending on the model. For actually meaningful shit like flowthrough full auto rated good suppressors if you want to buy like Ase Utra or Silent Steel or B&T or whatever it's anywhere between 500 to 800 depending on what you are buying. If you are just going out hunting with a .308 bolt action then it's probably an advantage being in yurop because an aluminum suppressor is far lighter than some steel equivalent in the US that is made to withstand 30 consecutive magdumps.
Cool thanks for the info finanon
so whats with all the suppressor manufacturer hate in the last two days lol
Yuropoors can only get garbage aluminum cans so, like always, they shit up the American board because they are pathetic.
Says the noguns
now post european AR15 prices. And dont forget the clock is ticking on semiautos.
I paid €800 for mine but it's a bit of a piece of shit lol
Also you shouldn't cheer on any gun bans, that's bad form
I'd say I don't care about eurocuck laws, but there are so many eurocuck worshippers in the highest positions of power here that I have to be warry of anything you fuckers pass.
Personally I wish every country had constitution levels of freedom
Post Izhmash aks other import prices 😉 or post your cucked gimped hk556 compared to a real hkmr223
AKs are range toys, Euros are intentionally being gatekept from guns their governments think are scary.
>Euros are intentionally being gatekept from guns their governments think are scary
>lives in commifornia
Only Alaskans and Hawaiians are further away than me from that shithole
>proudly made in the US of A
>He's freaking out again
>he got called out as a noguns again
>Own cope AKs
which one is it Swissmoron?
You tell me.
At least it has other people's social media posts to repost.
STOP ACTING LIKE I'M POSTING
I KNOW I'M HOT BUT THIS IS GETTING ANNOYING
Anyway, dunno on what pack finnbro is smoking but Saiga threads are fine and the barrel is concentric. Tested them myself.
In any case, you can see suppressors on Saigas (which is basically their national sporting / shooting rifle so it's everywhere in whatever weird caliber but that's not the point) E V E R Y W H E R E in Russia. So it's strange to see such a prevalent usage of cans on a rifle where the "threads are fucked lmao - t.retard". Tell me why they manage to do it and "we" don't ? Because EU / US manufacturers are fucking retarded and don't design said suppressors with AKs in mind but with ARs in mind. When you don't know jack shit (and don't care) about the rifle you're designing products on it doesn't work. Recent case in point : Silent Steel.
>turdworld shit rifles
>When you don't know jack shit (and don't care) about the rifle
correct and proper
>keeps shilling this one literally who cans brand
Starting to wonder about this anon.
Even TFB featured them recently