>100mm low pressure main gun. >for an IFV

>100mm low pressure main gun
>for an IFV
>engine at the back so the dismounts have to exit OVER the engine and open TWO hatches to get out
>2 hull MGs for some fricking reason
>packed full of ammo and gun launched ATGMs so that when it penetrates debris cover a square mile
Who approved this shit?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My thoughts exactly. I don't understand how this is an improvement over the BMP 2

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's definitely an improvement.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Here is one of the best threads on the "why" the Russians went with the 100mm main gun:
    >https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-that-the-BMP-3-s-100-30mm-gun-not-copied-more-The-BMP-3-using-a-100mm-gun-seems-quite-useful-especially-since-it-still-has-lots-of-ammo-and-however-only-the-BMD-4-and-ZBD-04-and-no-next-Gen-IFV-Kurganets?share=1

    Also here mandatory reading about the BMP3:
    >https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2014/10/bmp-3-underappreciated-prodigy.html

    The impression I get is that it was your typical late 1980s, USSR/Cold War project that created something that no one really wanted (see the RPG29) but was forced onto the military that the Russians are now forced to use to this day. The BMP3 started out as a light-tank and then morphed into this god-awful IFV while the latest variant (that never saw serial production, the BMP3 Dragoon) seems to have fixed some of the issues with the original design.

    • 1 year ago
      Yukari

      The Vampyr has some value as a heavy RPG, at least. You can kill all MBTs from the sides and a whole lot of them from the front with 800mm of penetration in the late 1980s. The BMP-3 is just an abomination of a design that they're stuck with because there hasnt been any money in Russia since then.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        Give the qrd on rpg29, please.

        >be russia inna 1980s
        >your RPG-7 is still effective against older Western MBTs like M60, Leopard 1, and Centurion, but basically useless against the front of the Abrams, Leopard 2 and Chally
        >design a launcher that can theoretically penetrate the front of these vehicles, and can load tandem warheads if ERA ever becomes a problem
        >becomes extremely heavy (41+ lbs) and has less than desirable range (<500 M against static targets), and is longer than the man firing it is tall
        The Swedes wanted a similar "super anti-tank" shoulder launcher, the AT-12, which was a 120mm AT-4 firing tandem warheads and a claimed penetration of 900mm RHA. But it was abandoned when the Cold War ended.
        I assume the reason we haven't seen much footage of the RPG-29 in Ukraine is because a lot of launchers were sold to Arab countries.

        https://i.imgur.com/BfKOHFL.jpg

        This guy ([...]) is 100% correct. The RPG29 is heavy, bulky, and has a massive back blast which is why no one really wanted it in the Soviet army and why a similar concept has not taken off in the West. Yes it has a reputation in Iraq and Syria but you have to imagine, a Javelin/NLAW does the same thing but is significantly lighter. If you are hitting RPG29 weight then you might as well use a ATGM because at that point it is not really man portable.

        The Chinese have something similar with their PF98 concept but I doubt how practical it really is :
        >https://china-defense.blogspot.com/2019/06/hi-res-photos-of-day-infantry-squad.html
        >https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com/2016/03/25/an-introduction-to-the-pf-98-anti-tank-rocket-launcher/

        https://i.imgur.com/bcM5qsF.jpg

        >RPG29

        WHY DID THEY EVEN MAKE THESE?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Rpg27 is moron huge as well.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The Vampyr has some value as a heavy RPG, at least. You can kill all MBTs from the sides and a whole lot of them from the front with 800mm of penetration in the late 1980s. The BMP-3 is just an abomination of a design that they're stuck with because there hasnt been any money in Russia since then.

      Give the qrd on rpg29, please.

      • 1 year ago
        Yukari

        >be russia inna 1980s
        >your RPG-7 is still effective against older Western MBTs like M60, Leopard 1, and Centurion, but basically useless against the front of the Abrams, Leopard 2 and Chally
        >design a launcher that can theoretically penetrate the front of these vehicles, and can load tandem warheads if ERA ever becomes a problem
        >becomes extremely heavy (41+ lbs) and has less than desirable range (<500 M against static targets), and is longer than the man firing it is tall
        The Swedes wanted a similar "super anti-tank" shoulder launcher, the AT-12, which was a 120mm AT-4 firing tandem warheads and a claimed penetration of 900mm RHA. But it was abandoned when the Cold War ended.
        I assume the reason we haven't seen much footage of the RPG-29 in Ukraine is because a lot of launchers were sold to Arab countries.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The RPG-29 did frontally pen a Challenger 2, blowing the foot off the driver, and the US denied the Iraqi government from buying them because they were worried about insurgents getting their hands on them.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It wasn't actually frontal, the Chally 2 was cresting a hill, and the rocket hit below the bottom of the lower glacis and penetrated the much weaker floor armor.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Anon it WAS through the frontal plate, and went through the ERA.

              >ERA isn't blown out

              The UFP cant be penned by 3bm42 according to Soviet/Russian documents, and yet 3bm42 went clean through the fricker.

              >3bm42 was used
              Can you provide a source, I'm not rejecting outright but evidence would be nice.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, they put the ERA on the lower front plate on Chally's, not the glacis... It's even in your picture.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >3bm42
                >can you provide a source
                >anons magically disappear
                Have you ever thought that the "source" would have been self reported and gone through the Ukrainian DoD or whatever equivalent.
                You need to maintain higher and healtheir dose of skepticism.
                But still, Kotakt-5 not exploding as intended is cringe as frick.
                I wonder if they took pictures inside of the eras.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >higher dose of skepticism
                Which is why I asked for evidence.....

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/qtb8kJR.jpg

                >3bm42
                >can you provide a source
                >anons magically disappear
                Have you ever thought that the "source" would have been self reported and gone through the Ukrainian DoD or whatever equivalent.
                You need to maintain higher and healtheir dose of skepticism.
                But still, Kotakt-5 not exploding as intended is cringe as frick.
                I wonder if they took pictures inside of the eras.

                3bm42 is the standard 125mm Dart that the Ukrainians use, they don't have the better rounds after that. unless you seem to think that and even older round punched through the UFP of that BVM?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Can you provide a source

                Because 3bm42 was the standard round of the soviet union and the 125mm gun before it fell to shit,

                3BM42 has been the standard round of the Ukrainian army because they haven't developed a better round yet. Unless you're thinking its an older even worse round.

                That's with ERA. Anon is saying the ERA is missing explosives, likely because they were stolen.
                The tank wouldn't have been destroyed if Russians weren't corrupt, it's the perfect example really.

                Its UFP cant be penned by 3bm42 according to soviet documents, the round didn't go through the ERA if you look at it it passed under them and hit BVM's UFP which "Should" stop said round.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/04M6YJl.png

              Anon it WAS through the frontal plate, and went through the ERA.
              [...]
              >3bm42 was used
              Can you provide a source, I'm not rejecting outright but evidence would be nice.

              It hit the the mounting brackets of the ERA and didn't detonate the actual plate. A picture of the actual tank was posted a few months back

              See what OP meant about BMP-3 being full of ammo? This is what happens. No western IFV would blow up like that.

              You are actually stupid.
              Hint any IFV is loaded with ammunition, in the crew compartment, whether it is for the main gun, ATGMs or infantry AT/AA weapns

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No western IFV has a 100mm gun with HE ammo, moron. Why do you think BMP-3s disintegrate when hit?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                breh

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, every IFV is loaded with explosives. Be it autocannon rounds, grenades, AT mines, claymores, AT-launchers… you name it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Holy shit did the BMP-3 make a big splash back in the 1980s.

          Western MIC tried to claim it made the tank obsolete. Also, you need to buy more of these tanks and other things to buy from us, in your buying and us selling. Said the MIC.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          tldr rpg29 is king on the battlefield

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >your RPG-7 is still effective against older Western MBTs like M60, Leopard 1, and Centurion
          RPG-7 has 200m effective range. RPG-29 was supposed to improve on that.

          • 1 year ago
            Yukari

            200 meter effective range with a tandem warhead (due to the low velocity) and 500 meters with regular 7V warhead. Against static targets ofc

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              US had tested regular RPG-7 warheads back in the day and found out that on tank-sized targets 50% probability of hit is at 200m, even less when there's wind. That's almost identical to the M72 LAW. So much for soviet accuracy standards. I can't even imagine how horribly bad the tandem warhead is, probably panzerfaust-tier.

              There's a fragmentation warhead without the rocket booster that's slimmer and a bit more accurate that can be shot to 400-500 meters effectively but it's really different from standard warheads. Russians use them as basically oversized 40mm grenades because their muzzle loading grenades are really bad.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >40mm grenades because their muzzle loading grenades are really bad.
                I can't find the source but earlier versions of the GP25 had problems with blowing off their operators fingers when loading them into the device.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Cute.

              • 1 year ago
                Yukari

                maybe my source is wrong
                https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1998/infantry-rpg.htm

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                There's a link to the 1976 TRADOC evaluation study with a summary on the RPG-7 wikipedia page.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                There's a link to the 1976 TRADOC evaluation study with a summary on the RPG-7 wikipedia page.

                Comrades, are you suggesting that our glorious Soviet state would lie?!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This guy (

        >be russia inna 1980s
        >your RPG-7 is still effective against older Western MBTs like M60, Leopard 1, and Centurion, but basically useless against the front of the Abrams, Leopard 2 and Chally
        >design a launcher that can theoretically penetrate the front of these vehicles, and can load tandem warheads if ERA ever becomes a problem
        >becomes extremely heavy (41+ lbs) and has less than desirable range (<500 M against static targets), and is longer than the man firing it is tall
        The Swedes wanted a similar "super anti-tank" shoulder launcher, the AT-12, which was a 120mm AT-4 firing tandem warheads and a claimed penetration of 900mm RHA. But it was abandoned when the Cold War ended.
        I assume the reason we haven't seen much footage of the RPG-29 in Ukraine is because a lot of launchers were sold to Arab countries.

        ) is 100% correct. The RPG29 is heavy, bulky, and has a massive back blast which is why no one really wanted it in the Soviet army and why a similar concept has not taken off in the West. Yes it has a reputation in Iraq and Syria but you have to imagine, a Javelin/NLAW does the same thing but is significantly lighter. If you are hitting RPG29 weight then you might as well use a ATGM because at that point it is not really man portable.

        The Chinese have something similar with their PF98 concept but I doubt how practical it really is :
        >https://china-defense.blogspot.com/2019/06/hi-res-photos-of-day-infantry-squad.html
        >https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com/2016/03/25/an-introduction-to-the-pf-98-anti-tank-rocket-launcher/

        • 1 year ago
          RC-135 Rivet Joint

          >RPG29

          WHY DID THEY EVEN MAKE THESE?

          • 1 year ago
            Yukari

            >comrade general, the westoids have developed new tanks that appear to be frontally invulnerable to RPG-7
            >give me a warhead that can penetrate the front of those tanks immediately or I will have you shot!
            >comrade general, the frontal armor of these tanks is extremely thick, a warhead powerful enough to defeat the turret plate of an M1IP would require a launcher weighing at least 20 kilos!
            >begin production immediately, blyat
            and the rest is history

            • 1 year ago
              RC-135 Rivet Joint

              I cant imagine hitting a moving target at range without a FCS lol

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Damn, so its basically recoiless rifle that people pretend could be mobile as rpg.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >WHY DID THEY EVEN MAKE THESE?
            Cope. No really.
            Initially RPG-7with PG7V rocket can defeat any western tank frontally (M60, Centurion etc) and had battle-sight range of 300meters.
            Then tanks grew up. New PG7VR kind could defeat tanks frontally but its range tanked only 200m because RPG-7 is too weak for such big nade.
            RPG-29 is attempt to cope with tanks armor growth and get same range and frontal defeat capability like PG7V had in 1960s. As results RPG-29 ended as xbox huge. You can't step in the same river twice.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous
            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              it doubles as a battering ram

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It's only 5' long

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Tank armor got better so the rocket had to get bigger

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            this looks like western propaganda making fun of chink military

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Those are Mexican produced examples. Mexico got them to basically use as highly mobile heavy direct fire support for mountain and airborne units who don't have any access to armor support. IIRC this is the only known munition to penetrate the front of a Challenger 2 to date.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              i can hear my back and my AT assistant back snapping

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Why no ATGMs though?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No need. Dumb HE is good enough for the actual use against cartels bunkered in a house.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They have a bunch of ATGMs. These are for use dual heavy anti structure and anti vehicular use.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Javelin/NLAW does the same thing but is significantly lighter.
          Not really an apples to apples comparison, the RPG-29 isn't a single shot and can fire HE and thermobaric rounds, it's really more of a small crew served artillery piece / infantry gun.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I would argue that for the same weight you can 4-5 guys that could have a mixture of NLAWs/M72s/MATADOR/etc. while being far more mobile and flexible but have similar performance of a RPG29.

            because the m2a2 doesn't have a CITV but rather a periscope system with night vision capabilities, and at least if you poke your head out nowadays you probably have a PSQ-20 or similar thermal/NV monocular
            [...]
            I didn't know about the backblast problem, how much worse could it be than a TOW?

            >I didn't know about the backblast problem, how much worse could it be than a TOW?
            >The RPG-29 is unusual among Russian anti-tank rocket launchers in that it lacks an initial propellant charge to place the projectile at a safe distance from the operator before the rocket ignites. Instead, the rocket engine starts as soon as a trigger is pulled, and burns out before the projectile leaves the barrel.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >>The RPG-29 is unusual among Russian anti-tank rocket launchers in that it lacks an initial propellant charge to place the projectile at a safe distance from the operator before the rocket ignites. Instead, the rocket engine starts as soon as a trigger is pulled, and burns out before the projectile leaves the barrel.
              jesus

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>>The RPG-29 is unusual among Russian anti-tank rocket launchers in that it lacks an initial propellant charge to place the projectile at a safe distance from the operator before the rocket ignites. Instead, the rocket engine starts as soon as a trigger is pulled, and burns out before the projectile leaves the barrel.
                >jesus

                In other words, it works exactly like a world war 2 bazooka or panzerschreck. Hardly something to go "jesus" over.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >weapon designed in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s works the same way as weapons designed half a century earlier
                Yeah, it kind of is a big deal.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                designed in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s works the same way as weapons designed half a century earlier
                >Yeah, it kind of is a big deal.

                Smoothbrain take. Go and take a look at your AR-15, it fires a round that is slightly inferior to 6x50 mm Navy, introduced in the 1890s and used in the invasion of the Philippines in 1898. Ah-ah-ah-muh-muh-iir-irr-icaah-icaah!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >moving the goalpost

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >>The RPG-29 is unusual among Russian anti-tank rocket launchers in that it lacks an initial propellant charge to place the projectile at a safe distance from the operator before the rocket ignites. Instead, the rocket engine starts as soon as a trigger is pulled, and burns out before the projectile leaves the barrel.
              jesus

              So is the flame coming out of the back of this more like "A Swamp Dragon with the sniffles" or is it more like "A Red Dragon discovering a Halfling using his prized israeliteels as anal beads" kind of hellfire?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The Javelin isn't single shot either if I remember correctly.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The PF98 seems to be very widely deployed for some inexplicable reason. With fiberglass and shit they got the weight to around a carl g but it still shoots 8 kg rockets.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's basically its role. A Chink carl gustaf with bigger warheads. It originated as an emergency procurement to get tandem HEAT available in case of a conflict with Russia but once guided weapons were available, the PLA shifted it to a fire support role with HEDP using a prefrag sleeve.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >BMP3 Dragoon
      Wtf, this is a vast improvement.
      It must suck to be a Russian engineer, you try to design good equipment but the government keeps buying questionable and outdated designs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Same is true for engineers millions of time per day across the world. The only difference between an advanced country and a backwards one is 1% of engineers plans get put into action Vs 0.01%

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >BMP-2 and BMP-3 are Russian equivalents to Bradleys
      >Modern Bradleys have CITV
      >On most variants of the BMP-3, the commander is provided with the TKN-3MB. It can operate in two modes - active infrared imaging, or passive light intensification. When operating at night in the active mode, the OU-3GA2 IR spotlight must be used. The TKN-3MB sight has fixed 5x magnification in the day channel and an angular field of view of 10° in that setting. In the night channel, the sight has 4.2x magnification and an angular field of view of 8°. In the daytime, the nominal maximum identification distance for a tank is around 3,000 m, although this depends on meteorological conditions more than anything else. In the passive light intensification mode, the sight enables the commander to identify a tank-type target at a nominal maximum distance of 400 m, given that the ambient light is no darker than 0.005 lux, which is equivalent to a typical starless and moonless night. For an IFV that entered service at the very end of the Cold War, the night vision capabilities of the TKN-3MB was simply not competitive against the thermal imaging systems that had become standard for the Western counterparts of the BMP-3. Instead of being used to search for targets in a combat situation at night, the device would be most useful as a navigational tool in the passive night vision mode.
      JUST

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >BMP-2 and BMP-3 are Russian equivalents to Bradleys
      >Modern Bradleys have CITV
      >On most variants of the BMP-3, the commander is provided with the TKN-3MB. It can operate in two modes - active infrared imaging, or passive light intensification. When operating at night in the active mode, the OU-3GA2 IR spotlight must be used. The TKN-3MB sight has fixed 5x magnification in the day channel and an angular field of view of 10° in that setting. In the night channel, the sight has 4.2x magnification and an angular field of view of 8°. In the daytime, the nominal maximum identification distance for a tank is around 3,000 m, although this depends on meteorological conditions more than anything else. In the passive light intensification mode, the sight enables the commander to identify a tank-type target at a nominal maximum distance of 400 m, given that the ambient light is no darker than 0.005 lux, which is equivalent to a typical starless and moonless night. For an IFV that entered service at the very end of the Cold War, the night vision capabilities of the TKN-3MB was simply not competitive against the thermal imaging systems that had become standard for the Western counterparts of the BMP-3. Instead of being used to search for targets in a combat situation at night, the device would be most useful as a navigational tool in the passive night vision mode.
      JUST

      >Using the Gen 2+ image intensifier module, the target identification range achievable using the TKN-AI for a tank-sized target is 600 m. The sight has a fixed magnification of 4.75x in day channel and 5x in the night channel. At night, the commander can detect enemy optronics (IR radiation emitters) at distances up to 3 km.
      >Gulf War era Bradleys would push in the BMP-3's shit when it comes to thermals
      Gen 3 my ass Gaijin

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Gulf War era Bradleys don't have CITV, only thermals for the gunner which the commander can also view through

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You are correct, but the Bradleys being sent to Ukraine are a mix of M2A2 ODS-SA (gen 2 FLIR, no CITV) and M2A3s (gen 2 FLIR, CITV)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Gulf War Bradleys don't have CITV
          But they don't have utterly atrocious identification ranges like this shit
          >the target identification range achievable using the TKN-AI for a tank-sized target is 600 m
          >600m
          >Bradleys mogging T-72s at 2km using TOWs

          Also no wonder the Russian crews hated them in the Chechen wars for their electronics, I know a guy who shared tales of a family member being conscripted and the guy being fricked up enough to have some serious PTSD issues from that era.
          >The 1D16-3 laser rangefinder was initially unreliable. Reportedly, it began to refuse to operate past 2,000 cycles, but this was soon rectified, and the TBF (time before failure) increased to 15000 cycles. The 1K13-2 sight, like the 1D16-3, originally had low reliability as well. In initial tests, it began experienced failures past just 500 cycles of operation. This was later resolved, and time before failure (TBF) was raised to 5600 cycles. The operating time limit of the sight was originally a measly 60.9 hours, but it was raised to 210 hours.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Genuinely why are you comparing commander (BMP-3) and gunners (M2A2) positions.
            M2A2 is worse in that regard since the commander has no separate optic at all for night fighting.
            His options are looking through the gunner's sight extension or heads out with NVGs

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              because the m2a2 doesn't have a CITV but rather a periscope system with night vision capabilities, and at least if you poke your head out nowadays you probably have a PSQ-20 or similar thermal/NV monocular

              https://i.imgur.com/BfKOHFL.jpg

              This guy ([...]) is 100% correct. The RPG29 is heavy, bulky, and has a massive back blast which is why no one really wanted it in the Soviet army and why a similar concept has not taken off in the West. Yes it has a reputation in Iraq and Syria but you have to imagine, a Javelin/NLAW does the same thing but is significantly lighter. If you are hitting RPG29 weight then you might as well use a ATGM because at that point it is not really man portable.

              The Chinese have something similar with their PF98 concept but I doubt how practical it really is :
              >https://china-defense.blogspot.com/2019/06/hi-res-photos-of-day-infantry-squad.html
              >https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com/2016/03/25/an-introduction-to-the-pf-98-anti-tank-rocket-launcher/

              I didn't know about the backblast problem, how much worse could it be than a TOW?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Commander or gunner it doesn't matter if your thermals are so shit that targets can't be identified past 1km

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Genuinely why are you comparing commander (BMP-3) and gunners (M2A2) positions.
            M2A2 is worse in that regard since the commander has no separate optic at all for night fighting.
            His options are looking through the gunner's sight extension or heads out with NVGs

            And ultimately you have to ask yourself, is this a design issue or a technology issue. Because sticking a decent thermal on a vehicle doesn't seem to be an issue considering it's been done on pretty much most vehicles, old crap like M48s and T-54s. Getting a decent thermal system in enough numbers is if you aren't the west.

            because the m2a2 doesn't have a CITV but rather a periscope system with night vision capabilities, and at least if you poke your head out nowadays you probably have a PSQ-20 or similar thermal/NV monocular
            [...]
            I didn't know about the backblast problem, how much worse could it be than a TOW?

            M2A2s commander station has no other night vision capabilities apart from what i've mentioned (GPSE and hatch open wearing NVGs). He hasn't got a periscope in the first place unless you count the Anti-aircraft sight, just a ring of 1x mag episcopes around his hatch. (Periscopes can rotate, episcopes are fixed).

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Does the Bradley not have the ability to use the hatch periscopes with something like an M36 sight system?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >M36 sight system?
                M36 was the GPS on the M60A1s
                M2A2 commander only has a ring of vision blocks around his hatch, that's it unless he looks through the gunners sight or sticks his head out

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                sorry, I meant the M19E1 night vision scope

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No because the M19 is a big prominent optic on top of the even bigger and more prominent MG turret. Bradley's commander side is flush with the turret roof while the gunner has his big primary sight periscope sticking out
                pic related Lebanese M2A2

              • 1 year ago
                Yukari

                as a guy with Lebanese family that pic makes me proud. I do hope the LAF unfricks itself and that they've been taking care of the M60A3s we sent them long ago. The only other tanks they have are some T55s that are basically scrap metal.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >started out as a light tank
      >became an IFV
      It’s like the exact opposite of the Bradley’s origins.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >see the RPG29
      QRD?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Scroll up homie.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >be russia inna 1980s
        >your RPG-7 is still effective against older Western MBTs like M60, Leopard 1, and Centurion, but basically useless against the front of the Abrams, Leopard 2 and Chally
        >design a launcher that can theoretically penetrate the front of these vehicles, and can load tandem warheads if ERA ever becomes a problem
        >becomes extremely heavy (41+ lbs) and has less than desirable range (<500 M against static targets), and is longer than the man firing it is tall
        The Swedes wanted a similar "super anti-tank" shoulder launcher, the AT-12, which was a 120mm AT-4 firing tandem warheads and a claimed penetration of 900mm RHA. But it was abandoned when the Cold War ended.
        I assume the reason we haven't seen much footage of the RPG-29 in Ukraine is because a lot of launchers were sold to Arab countries.

        https://i.imgur.com/BfKOHFL.jpg

        This guy ([...]) is 100% correct. The RPG29 is heavy, bulky, and has a massive back blast which is why no one really wanted it in the Soviet army and why a similar concept has not taken off in the West. Yes it has a reputation in Iraq and Syria but you have to imagine, a Javelin/NLAW does the same thing but is significantly lighter. If you are hitting RPG29 weight then you might as well use a ATGM because at that point it is not really man portable.

        The Chinese have something similar with their PF98 concept but I doubt how practical it really is :
        >https://china-defense.blogspot.com/2019/06/hi-res-photos-of-day-infantry-squad.html
        >https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com/2016/03/25/an-introduction-to-the-pf-98-anti-tank-rocket-launcher/

        >WHY DID THEY EVEN MAKE THESE?
        Cope. No really.
        Initially RPG-7with PG7V rocket can defeat any western tank frontally (M60, Centurion etc) and had battle-sight range of 300meters.
        Then tanks grew up. New PG7VR kind could defeat tanks frontally but its range tanked only 200m because RPG-7 is too weak for such big nade.
        RPG-29 is attempt to cope with tanks armor growth and get same range and frontal defeat capability like PG7V had in 1960s. As results RPG-29 ended as xbox huge. You can't step in the same river twice.

        I scrolled up so you didn't have to.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You spoil him anon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Excellent effort posting. I wish we had more like this, but alas. Thank you for your efforts.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >BMP-3m Dragoon
      >Completey redesigned vehicle
      What the frick is wrong with Russians and having the most moronic naming conventions
      >Make a T-72 with different style turret
      >Da, is completely different tank, change name
      >IFV with radically different design and components
      >is updated model, ok?
      I hate them so fricking much

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >>Make a T-72 with different style turret
        >>Da, is completely different tank, change name
        It's because T-72 received such bad reputation in Middle East wars they called it T-90 so people would think it's different tank

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >packed full of ammo and gun launched ATGMs so that when it penetrates debris cover a square mile
    kek reminds me of a story that happened either near Kreminna or Bakhmut, two BMP-3 were assaulting, one of them blew up on a mine, so second one came to pick up survivors and got hit with something that blew up all it's ammo, literally treating BMP into front and back(with nothing being left from center), of course killing everyone in the process

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The BMP 2 is obviously very distinct looking, but now I'm thinking that I might have been conflating the BMP 1 and BMP 3 in the various drone videos that I have seen from Ukraine.

    Are the Russians using BMP 1s at all or is it just a combination of 2s and 3s?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >re the Russians using BMP 1s at all
      anon...I...

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >surprised Pikachu face

        I was given to understand that the entire reason for switching to the 2 from the 1 was that the 1 is a death trap, even by Soviet standards. Is that a meme?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not really, no. The USSR went from the 1 to the 2 because the effectiveness of the original 73mm was always in question due to its low accuracy and velocity, but also by the 1980s the increases in armor of Western tanks and arrival of composites. There wasn't much reason to stick with a high caliber gun over an autocannon when you're using a missile to kill tanks anyway.
          The BMP-2 is not that much more heavily armored than BMP-1, but it does have a two man turret at least.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          BMP-1 was close to being phased out of active service before the war being only used in 6 brigades/regiments.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The Russian company who made Syrian Warfare also claimed that the BMP-1 was only used by "third world countries" in 2016, so I guess they were right..

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Didn’t Poland use BMP-1s for a long time?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Poland is definitely not a first rate military power. They've made some massive strides since the mid 2010s but they're still only powerful for an EU country, not as a regional power.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Poland is definitely not a first rate military power
                Most definitely not. I'm just wondering why they chose to sell their BMP/BWP-2s to Angola in the mid-'90s and keep their old BMP-1s.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Syrian Warfare
              yeah, but they also have literally every infantry squad carrying Vampyrs

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Similar with Mexico. For mountain and airborne units they get one RPG29 for every 12 man squad. There are only ATGM at platoon or company level.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Russia run out of working BMP-2 and BMP-3 in stock to replace losses

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The reason for the switch is because the 30mm 2A42 was leaps and bounds superior to the 73mm gun, particularly in Afghanistan where that gun could not elevate to engage Muj shooting at them from high cliffs.

          Likewise trials found that even when engaging tanks, a 12 round burst from the 2A42 was far more likely to disable a tank than a shot from the wildly inaccurate 73mm.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >">surprised Pikachu face"
          At least pretend you aren't from reddit

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >100mm low pressure main gun
      Primary purpose is to sling HE and ATGMs while not having to open the vehicle in an NBC environment to reload for the latter. The packaging of the ammunition means the BMP-3 maintains the same amount of 30mm as the BMP-2
      >engine at the back so the dismounts have to exit OVER the engine and open TWO hatches to get out
      This is an oddity but IMO people hate on it because it is different rather then objectively bad. It's better designed then the BMP-2 since the doors are weighted to stay open once the locks are released (unlike BMP-2 if you are on a hill) and the exit hole is actually larger, internal volume in general is nearly twice as much on BMP-3 then BMP-2 for the infantry. It would be an improvement if the doors were powered. It also gives it the capability of carrying two stretchers for medevac, too bad medevac doesn't exist in the RuAF
      >2 hull MGs for some fricking reason
      this is a meme I agree, but it seems nearly every country wanted their infantry to be able to fire from inside their IFVs in the Cold War
      >packed full of ammo and gun launched ATGMs so that when it penetrates debris cover a square mile
      Every IFV is packed full of ammo for the main cannon, ATGMs and AT/AA launchers for the infantry. so BMP-3 is no exception in that regard

      They are using all three. BMP-1s were rare at the start of the war for Russia, but we see them more and more now as they have a lot more of those in storage

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        just shud up dumb vatnik

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Genuine seethe for no reason. BMP-3 is the only Soviet IFV that is actually liveable under NBC conditions for 24 hours

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Not hard to see the difference with BMP-3 vs BMP-1/2 with how the legs are tucked in. It's an odd design layout but the execution is far better then BMP-1/2

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              imagine how fricked you'd be in a bmp 1 when a steel core 762 punches through the doors that are also the fuel tanks

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I can't imagine a steel core 762 penetrating both the outer door and a fuel tank. I would definitely not want to be in the vehicle when some butthole shooting 50 cal AP-I gets behind us or on our sides, though.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Back-to-back seats squander interior space and prevent loading large objects. Doors instead of ramp slow egress and ingress. Fuel tanks should be external wings like M113A3.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >russians enter the world after 9 months of solitary fetal position
              >russians exit the world after 9 minutes of group fetal position
              pottery

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >these delusions
            This war provided us enough examples how Russians actually live outdoor. Goblin's camps. Barely survivable just from weather and outodoor. If you think you can add NBC and Russian goblins can bear through it... just lol.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Those words were from Ukrainians opinions of captured BMP-3s they were operating you stupid homosexual

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Don't hide behind Ukrainians, Russian goblin.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >these delusions
                This war provided us enough examples how Russians actually live outdoor. Goblin's camps. Barely survivable just from weather and outodoor. If you think you can add NBC and Russian goblins can bear through it... just lol.

                just shud up dumb vatnik

                this person is troll

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Here is thing that this war demonstrated to all.
                There is vatnik's fantasy.
                And there is reality.
                Who in their right mind would think that these pigs can sustain their gear in working order, maintain NBC seal and follow all decontamination protocols? This is complete fantasy that Russian can operate under NBC conditions.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >NBC conditions

            who cares

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              East Palestine, Ohio

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/ybFPgnK.png

            Not hard to see the difference with BMP-3 vs BMP-1/2 with how the legs are tucked in. It's an odd design layout but the execution is far better then BMP-1/2

            Well, this just looks like an absolutely awful place to be.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      have been through this discussion in the river crossing debacle
      yes they do still operate loads of BMP-1s, not just the AM

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think they were just seeking some sort of countermeasure to the West's new IFVs (Bradley, et al) and last generation tanks (Challenger 1 and Leopard 1's) with that main gun. A Bradley (or a light Tank) is somewhat protected against a 30mm auto cannon from a BMP-2. Further, the ATGMs from the Soviet BMP's in the 1980s weren't as good as TOW. There were also range issues where the Bradley (and others) could just sit outside the Soviet's preferred engagement range and thwack them.

    BMP-3 was originally a light tank, not an IFV, and I think they realized there was no point building a light tank that could be reliably penetrated by lighter vehicles at decent ranges. Their only realistic option was to make it a "glass cannon vs. glass cannon" type fight and that required the ridiculous gun. The ridiculous dismount situation and hatches is just a kludge-job on turning a tank deisgn into an IFV. Same thing with the Hull mounted MGs, it was a kludge-job to give it any sort of anti-infantry capability since the main gun they wanted was only good to take out other IFVs and light tanks.

    The whole thing is a mess.

    • 1 year ago
      Yukari

      The BMP-3s main gun is low pressure only. Can't fire SABOT. Only HE and ATGMs, which aren't particularly valuable against modern tanks because of the small diameter (100mm). And most modern western IFVs are proofed against Russian 30mm APBC frontally

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >which aren't particularly valuable against modern tanks because of the small diameter (100mm).
        They could develop a top attack 100mm ATGM to solve that problem.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Are you seriously suggesting that Russia has the capability to develop something on par with Javelin on short notice?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >on short notice
            Of course not, but they could have done it by now if the government wasn't fricking moronic and corrupt.

            https://i.imgur.com/Nl9DDOq.jpg

            >They could develop a top attack 100mm ATGM to solve that problem.
            Absolutely no. Because their lead ATGM design firm was firmly against top attack. There is timeless soviet saying:
            Жpитe чтo дaют!

            >Because their lead ATGM design firm was firmly against top attack.
            Really?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >but they could have done it by now if the government wasn't fricking moronic and corrupt.
              They could have done A LOT of things by now if that weren't the case.
              It'd really be a completely different country at that point.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >They could develop a top attack 100mm ATGM to solve that problem.
          Absolutely no. Because their lead ATGM design firm was firmly against top attack. There is timeless soviet saying:
          Жpитe чтo дaют!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But why would they be against striking one of the weakest parts of the vehicle?
            Where they just really lazy and didn't want to put in the extra work to make it happen?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that it also has a coax-30mm gun that from what I heard half the time doesn't even have ammo.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The 100mm gun is a great idea and I won't pretend that it's not.
    It's the rest of the IFV that needs redesigning.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >The Vesna-K was a newer main sight, first seen in the 1990's. It features thermal imaging, an integrated laser rangefinder, and an AST-B automatic target tracking unit. The nominal maximum detection range of a target is 6500 m, and the identification range of a tank-type target is 4500 m. The Vesna-K sight has a temperature sensitivity of 0.1 degrees Celsius, and can switch between either wide or narrow field of view settings. The field of view in the wide setting is 9 x 6 degrees, and 3 x 2 degrees in the narrow setting. Under maximum electronic magnification, the field of view is 1.5x1 degrees.
    >The Russian Army has been refitting their BMP-3s with SOZh sights since at least 2008, but the Vesna-K has not proliferated due to financial reasons.
    >Money likely embezzled on yachts

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Even if she's a little moronic from being dropped on her head as a baby and afflicted with fetal alcohol syndrome the BMP-3 has better gun elevation than the BMP-T Terminator.
    >The main gun elevates from −5° to +60°.
    >The BMP-T is also armed with two 30 mm AGS-17 automatic grenade launchers. The turret traverse is electrically powered through 360º with weapon elevation from -5 to +45º.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Not to mention that a 100mm low pressures gun plus 2x grenade launchers is better than the BMPTs moronic autocannons.
      But the Russians wanted their "anti-infantry tank".

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    well its 10x better than bmp1 which are walking death traps

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Who approved this shit?
    me

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      paketik

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It was quite good in project reality before the new fcs update. He-frag 100mm has huge splash to wipe inf, super fast atgm, thermals and decent auto cannon. Could fight everything.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Good on paper, so in video games too. Shit IRL

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        BMP3 even in WT is a death trap. You don't want it running into other vehicles, even if it's Toyota HILUX TOW-2.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Has someone ever explained this? How could the numbers be so wrong?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >ERA isn't blown out
          Anon....

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, duh

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >ERA isn't blown out

            The UFP cant be penned by 3bm42 according to Soviet/Russian documents, and yet 3bm42 went clean through the fricker.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              That's with ERA. Anon is saying the ERA is missing explosives, likely because they were stolen.
              The tank wouldn't have been destroyed if Russians weren't corrupt, it's the perfect example really.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >How could the numbers be so wrong?
          Real life isn't a video game. There's variation in protection and penetration, plus there's always the possibility that estimated protection values are bullshit.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          wt devs ditched real world test data years ago for their in house penetration and armor algorithms which are dogshit

          The RPG-29 did frontally pen a Challenger 2, blowing the foot off the driver, and the US denied the Iraqi government from buying them because they were worried about insurgents getting their hands on them.

          an abrams lost 2 crew to an rpg-29 to the side turret, always wondered why it was such a rare weapon when the performance against mbts seemed impressive

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Has someone ever explained this? How could the numbers be so wrong?
          The ERA covers a few centimeters more in WT. One thing I'm not certain of is the hull, in WT the t-80bvm has the same frontal hull layout as a t-80u, it's possible some t-80bvm still have the standard t-80b hulls.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >it's possible some t-80bvm still have the standard t-80b hulls.
            all of them do, the point of "B" in "BVM" is that it's still the same model, just with ERA replaced by newer variant and upgraded fire control

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Has someone ever explained this? How could the numbers be so wrong?

        War Thunder devs are Russian and use ~~*((Sekrit documents*~~)) for stats. Even if the documents were legit, knowing the state of Russian procurement and the all encompassing corruption, the armour value would be nickeld and dimed to nothing; using less material, shittier material, non functional era/nera etc.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Did the Soviets invent ANYTHING that was decent? I fricking hate Russians sincerely and severely now and I loath anything vatnig unless used by non-Russians but I refuse to believe that they couldn't have come up with some decent shit somewhere. It just feels like there's less and less possibilities since:
    >BTR-50 is hilariously awful
    >BTR-152 was woefully out of date by the time it came out
    >BTR-60 has some of the worst disembarking for an APC I've ever seen
    >BTR-70 is barely better
    >I dunno about BTR-80.

    I know one of the T-series was ass with depressing its guns, but surely the T55 or T64 was good compared to their equivalents? Or the Hind? Seriously, the Russians had to have figured out something halfway decent besides the AK and PK.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Russian tank development was a good five years ahead of the US in the post war period, which probably lasted for about 10-15 years. That's not saying much though given the massive budget cuts and the fact that the M46 Patton was basically an M26 with a bigger engine.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Soviet tank development after World War 2 was mostly Ukrainian. Including the ural factories.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Did the Soviets invent ANYTHING that was decent?
      Loads of things. For most of the Cold War the Soviets were able to maintain roughly equipment parity with the west. Some things were worse, some things were better, and some things were equivalent. As computers became more critical in the effectiveness of military equipment the Soviets lagging really became a problem for them, but the union wasn’t long for the world by that point. It’s easy to see in Ukraine hi tech western systems clowning on Soviet equipment and come to the conclusion that it was just shit, however it’s important to remember that for most of the cold war the US jets would have been dropping dumb bombs and making calculations with slide rules.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >most of the Cold War
        F-15s entered service in 1972

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          F-15 didn't have flares or chaff until 1985

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Soviet airpower was a meme by the time the F4 Phantom was put into active service.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Soviet space rockets used smaller, multiple engines in their design whereas NASA often used one big engine. Later on, western rocket scientists saw the merit in this design choice and its the reason why it's prevalent in modern rockets now.

      I don't like Russians contempt for supporting shitty governments, but no reason to discount the scientific and technological achievements they made even if most of it wasn't an original idea. Russians are absolute masters at taking an existing idea and either simplifying or improving the design further.

      See: AK-47, MiG-15, Makarov, etc....

    • 1 year ago
      RC-135 Rivet Joint

      They suffered a catabolic collapse of their Military Industrial Complex in the 1970s right about the time the microprocessor took off.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Soviet tanks had a slight technological edge of Western tanks, peaking in the mid 70s until swinging hard the other way in the 80s when Abrams/Leopard 2 entered service and older tanks were upgraded with thermals and digital FCS.
      The gap probably peaks in 1976 where you have T-64B with 2 axis independantly stabilised gunners sights with laser rangefinder and automated FCS that calculates and inputs lead meanwhile Leopard 1 and M60A1 are still using optical rangefinders, Chieftain has the godawful Tank Laser Sight that isn't integrated with the fire control system and the gunner's sight is slaved to the main gun

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The T-64 was an evolutionary step over the post-WW2 MBT paradigm that had peaked with the Leopard 1/M60A1/Chieftain and T-55/62. Soviets not being able to figure out thermals though meant that even their best tanks were blind compared to their NATO equivalents by the mid to late 80s, but they had the edge for most of the 70s at least. They also had anti-ship missile superiority for most of that same time period since NATO didn't have their own or effective counters until the 80s.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Did the Soviets invent ANYTHING that was decent?
      No, not really. USSR had always been a technologically backwards country that owned its greatest achievments to the people they stole them from and never was able to create anything themselves.
      >I dunno about BTR-80
      It's BTR-70 with a diesel instead of gas.
      >the T55
      Mediocre tank that was barely up to the level of contemporaries. It was okay if you only consider 1960s upgrade which made the turret a bit more suitable for the crew and the optics and fire control upgrades. It always had only shit ammo too.
      >T64
      Would be good if its drivetrain wasn't a complete disaster. The armor was very troublesome as well. Its success stems from west still holding onto the older gen tanks due to the 70s spending cuts.
      >Or the Hind?
      Lolno, Hind is a piece of shit.

      Russian tank development was a good five years ahead of the US in the post war period, which probably lasted for about 10-15 years. That's not saying much though given the massive budget cuts and the fact that the M46 Patton was basically an M26 with a bigger engine.

      T-54 entered meaningful service at the same time as western MBTs. The only soviet postwar tank worth talking about was the IS-3 and it wasn't even good.

      >Did the Soviets invent ANYTHING that was decent?
      Loads of things. For most of the Cold War the Soviets were able to maintain roughly equipment parity with the west. Some things were worse, some things were better, and some things were equivalent. As computers became more critical in the effectiveness of military equipment the Soviets lagging really became a problem for them, but the union wasn’t long for the world by that point. It’s easy to see in Ukraine hi tech western systems clowning on Soviet equipment and come to the conclusion that it was just shit, however it’s important to remember that for most of the cold war the US jets would have been dropping dumb bombs and making calculations with slide rules.

      Before computers it were transistors, before transistors it were solid fuel engines and optics. Along these things there were tons of other things too. Soviets never, ever had parity.

      Soviet space rockets used smaller, multiple engines in their design whereas NASA often used one big engine. Later on, western rocket scientists saw the merit in this design choice and its the reason why it's prevalent in modern rockets now.

      I don't like Russians contempt for supporting shitty governments, but no reason to discount the scientific and technological achievements they made even if most of it wasn't an original idea. Russians are absolute masters at taking an existing idea and either simplifying or improving the design further.

      See: AK-47, MiG-15, Makarov, etc....

      >Soviet space rockets used smaller, multiple engines in their design whereas NASA often used one big engine. Later on, western rocket scientists saw the merit in this design choice and its the reason why it's prevalent in modern rockets now.
      Why did russians fail to achieve anything with their suprior rocket layout? Surely they were better if they were incapable of designing bigger engines, right?
      >russian technological advancements
      >AK with 0 original design ideas
      >Mig-15 with a British engine in a German airframe
      >Makarov the slightly modified PPK copy
      Wow, soviet science so good!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Before computers it were transistors, before transistors it were solid fuel engines and optics. Along these things there were tons of other things too. Soviets never, ever had parity.
        If you think any of those things came even close to having the same sort of influence on weapons systems and the methods of warfighting as computer integration you’re delusional.

        >Why did russians fail to achieve anything with their suprior rocket layout?
        Google the space race.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >If you think any of those things came even close to having the same sort of influence on weapons systems and the methods of warfighting as computer integration
          Cope. US ICBM dominance during the cold war is entirely because of these things. Soviets always sucked.
          >Google the space race.
          Only achievments in the first 3 years, all of them are filled with lies, deceit and compromises. You lost vatshit.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Cope. US ICBM dominance during the cold war is entirely because of these things.
            Still doesn’t equal the effects of the computer. ICBMs weren’t the only weapons system, or even the only nuclear weapons system.
            >Only achievments in the first 3 years, all of them are filled with lies, deceit and compromises
            They made achievements past that. Unless Yuri Gagarin’s flight doesn’t count. I’d argue that even the things they weren’t first at were still achievements. The fact that they lied and compromised doesn’t negate them.
            >Soviets always sucked.
            They did. Communism is a failed system. The Soviet Union brutally repressed it’s people, was horrifically inefficient, and killed millions. I don’t know why people need to pretend that their successes didn’t happen. As if somehow acknowledging that they could build a good weapon or send people to orbit absolves them of everything else. Which really cedes ground to the exact narrative the politburo hoped to craft.
            >You lost vatshit.
            >Anyone who doesn’t treat history as a team sport is a vatnik

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Still doesn’t equal the effects of the computer.
              They were incredibly important for their period. Numerous missiles besides ICBMs depended on that tech. You can't just swipe that under the rug and then claim that they had some parity or somehow were equal to white people. They were not, never ever.
              >They made achievements past that. Unless Yuri Gagarin’s flight doesn’t count
              Literally the last point of the 3 years period i mentioned. And even then it's 50% fake due to soviets lying about him landing in his spacecraft and not following the rules.
              >pretend that their successes didn’t happen
              First you'd have to pretend they did happen, which is possible only through following entirely bullshit cold war memes employed by both sides for their own gain. Communism is failure and can only produce failure. All their sacrifices were in vain.

              You're a revisionist vatBlack person and should die like the soviets did - forgotten in the mud and sewage.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >They were incredibly important for their period. Numerous missiles besides ICBMs depended on that tech.
                Important yes. End all be all no.
                >Literally the last point of the 3 years period i mentioned.
                Gagarin was four years after Sputnik 1 if you want to consider that the beginning of the space race. You could swap in first EVA or first multi person mission if you’d like, or any of the thousands of technical accomplishments that were required to make any of it possible.
                > And even then it's 50% fake due to soviets lying about him landing in his spacecraft and not following the rules.
                It doesn’t count because…because it just doesn’t!!!
                >First you'd have to pretend they did happen, which is possible only through following entirely bullshit cold war memes employed by both sides for their own gain.
                Or by actually studying history.
                >Communism is failure and can only produce failure. All their sacrifices were in vain.
                This is such a smooth brain way to look at history, far more in line with the Soviet way of looking at the world.
                >You're a revisionist vatBlack person and should die like the soviets did - forgotten in the mud and sewage.
                As an American I’m secure enough in my county’s superiority that I don’t feel the need to rewrite history so my feelings don’t get hurt.
                >You can't just swipe that under the rug and then claim that they had some parity or somehow were equal to white people. They were not, never ever.
                What are you some /misc/tard from an irrelevant euro shithole buttblasted that even the commie vodka givers were able to achieve more than you?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >End all be all no.
                You claimed there was parity. There was, in fact, none.
                >Gagarin was four years after Sputnik 1
                Late 57 to early-61. Tomato tomato.
                >It doesn’t count because
                It counts, the soviets are still cheap technologiucally backwards cheats.
                >Or by actually studying history.
                Which you didn't.
                >As an American
                lol

                Are you armatard? The cheap burger LARP mixed with blatant soviet asskissing and pretentious claims about "history" are on point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You claimed there was parity.
                Where?
                >Late 57 to early-61. Tomato tomato.
                Not really and you conveniently ignored everything else
                >It counts, the soviets are still cheap technologiucally backwards cheats.
                All of this is true.

                >Are you armatard? The cheap burger LARP mixed with blatant soviet asskissing and pretentious claims about "history" are on point.
                I’m having trouble understanding how calling the Soviet Union a brutal sailed regime that killed millions of Italian people and his accomplishments don’t offset any of that is asskissing it. Maybe you should work on your English skills. You never did say what shit hole you were from.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Where?
                scroll up
                >Not really
                yes really
                >All of this is true.
                Then GTFO instead or arguing over nothing.
                >killed millions of Italian people
                >y-you're ESL
                Armatard, you're a disgusting chizo russoid mutt. You should be beaten and kept away from functional people so as to not disrupt their lives with your stupidity.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >scroll up
                Point out where I said the Soviet union had ICBM parity with the United States.
                >yes really
                Again ignoring everything else.
                >Then GTFO instead or arguing over nothing.
                I’m not arguing that the Soviet Union wasn’t a shit hole. I’m arguing that they were a threat during the Cold War.
                >killed millions of Italian people
                Forgive me. Killed millions of their own people. So tell me, why would someone who loves the Soviet Union call them a failure?
                >Armatard, you're a disgusting chizo russoid mutt. You should be beaten and kept away from functional people so as to not disrupt their lives with your stupidity.
                So what shithole are you from?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >ICBM parity
                Not what i was talking about. The whole discussion started because someone(you) said that soviets had parity before computers changed things. Which is not true as i've pointed out computers were just another tech in the long line of western superiority.
                >I’m arguing that they were a threat during the Cold War.
                I never said they weren't. This doesn't mean they ever had a chance to win.
                >why would someone who loves the Soviet Union call them a failure?
                Why would someone who loves soviets be mentally sane?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

                I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit, how many fricking known autists do we have running around this board at this point?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                A lot.

                Filled to the brim with VatBlack folk and GlowBlack person shills.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Off the top of my head in alphabetic order: Armatard, Dennis, Glowie Screecher, Hapanda, Koreashill, Warriortard and there is still a nameless """German""", that spams german weapon threads and destroyed US equipment threads. There should be a lot more.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                take meds

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Dennis
                is that the one who just randomly declares everything to be impossible?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I never thought I’d miss triphomosexuals like zed and phil, but at least I could know to just ignore their posts.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just waiting for the idiots to run into each other and disagree on something, the autistic cripple fights we can watch then will be glorious.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                forgetting the
                “frick ya mudda” guy

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >a nameless """German""", that spams german weapon threads and destroyed US equipment threads
                thats just dennis

                there was also a "well done JIDF" guy who spams the same threads but he just spams the same replies to every post so he gets banned rather quickly. Threads about turn ratios, "all sank battleships were rivet construction", "missiles never sunk a ship", etc are him.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time.
                Glowie screecher doesn't false flags as Armatard, he's as moronic as him and gets confused for him. Small but important difference.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                t.

                Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

                I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

                This character based on the bullshit they spew on a near day to day basis, and here you took issue with one detail. To be understood, but stop and take a look back shall we?

                >End all be all no.
                You claimed there was parity. There was, in fact, none.
                >Gagarin was four years after Sputnik 1
                Late 57 to early-61. Tomato tomato.
                >It doesn’t count because
                It counts, the soviets are still cheap technologiucally backwards cheats.
                >Or by actually studying history.
                Which you didn't.
                >As an American
                lol

                Are you armatard? The cheap burger LARP mixed with blatant soviet asskissing and pretentious claims about "history" are on point.

                was the post in question. However, that's just like screwing with an autistic person who has social problems and expecting that screwed up social interaction to carry over into their personal life. This was clearly a false flagging and not someone getting innocently mistaken. It's like going into a sanitarium and expecting everyone there to soundly accept your bullshit and play some shitty game of chickenshit, or at least for him, assuming you are also not them.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Nice false flag, glowie screecher, so convincing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >t. the actual false flagging Glowie Screecher
                Not fooling anyone. You can still feel the pressure in your eyes clearing up after being spotted so easily. Or will you try again to fool the board by claiming the posts which first got you called out were genuine? Glowie Screecher, I am hoping Armatard can show back up to the board just to watch you and him in the sweet embrace of two lolcows mating.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Glowie screecher is a mad homosexual and the little b***h of Armatard, both need to be banned and desperately need to go to a shrink. Sounds good?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Are you

                https://i.imgur.com/lQjYLEr.jpg

                Nice false flag, glowie screecher, so convincing.

                , the guy answering to the name Glowie Screecher, lying about which posts are his, ignoring the troll actually false flagging about Armatard, and sounding now like you faked surprise as it still wasn't working to convince anyone? Nice try.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Is this

                Glowie screecher is a mad homosexual and the little b***h of Armatard, both need to be banned and desperately need to go to a shrink. Sounds good?

                correct? Gimme your best evade, glowie screecher.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Glowie Screecher crying that people won't engage with his word game, and instead just mock him
                So when the lolcow mating tape is coming out with you and Armatard? Will it be shot from a drone?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, we both agree glowie screecher is a lolcow, needs to be banned and is the b***h of Armatard?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Please, please, answer me on my terms!
                Nice humiliation fetish, glowie screecher. How about you frick off instead, that would do everyone a favor.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So, you say i'm glowie screecher, but you are the one having a hard time to agree with glowie screecher being a lolcow, being the b***h of Armatard and both need to be banned. Interesting how this is supposes to work out.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                "The guy who called me a lolcow is having a hard time agreeing with me being a lolcow" - Glowie Screecher
                The absolute state

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Say it, glowie screecher, say glowie screecher is a lolcow, the b***h of Armatard and both need to be banned. Because i said it, i agree with it multiple times and there is nothing you can do beside dodge around and make your passive aggressive false flag posts.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Glowie Screecher, Remember this post?

                >t. the actual false flagging Glowie Screecher
                Not fooling anyone. You can still feel the pressure in your eyes clearing up after being spotted so easily. Or will you try again to fool the board by claiming the posts which first got you called out were genuine? Glowie Screecher, I am hoping Armatard can show back up to the board just to watch you and him in the sweet embrace of two lolcows mating.

                ? The one where I called you a lolcow, and you're still whimpering that same phrase back to me? I don't think anyone is going to fall for this switcheroo you're trying, or that there is anything passive about the aggression with which people usually mock you, for that matter.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, a rambling and chaotic false flag post doesn't count, glowie screecher. Say it with me:
                Glowie screecher is a lolcow, is the b***h of Armatard and both need to be banned.
                While we are at it, calling posters
                >it's CIA
                >it's Earnest Voice
                >it's the state deparment
                >it's Langley
                >it's bots
                >it's MI-6
                >it's Shareblue
                >it's an indian call center
                >it's a nigerian sweat shop
                >it's Israel
                >it's jannies
                >it's bots run rampant across the internet
                >it's polish and ukrainian workers shitposting after they got off work
                >It's DOD shills
                >it's the shill
                >it's a polish descent in the US eastern time zone
                >it's estonian shills
                >it's ukranian shills
                >it's people making up a new boogie man cartoon character
                >it's oinker
                is a schizo thing to say.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Glowie screecher begging to be insulted again, but in third person instead of first person
                Cant imagine what you've endured in life to have a defensive mechanism like this, holy kek. You truly are a lolcow, glowie screecher.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, glowie screecher, don't always try to attack me personally with it. Say it as a neutral general statement:
                Glowie screecher is a lolcow, is the b***h of Armatard and both need to be banned.
                See? Wasn't that hard. When the person, you claim is glowie screecher, can do it, why can't you, a person claiming to be against him, say it? You only actually have to lose something when you are him.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                "The guy who called me a lolcow is having a hard time agreeing with me being a lolcow" - Glowie Screecher

                "Please insult me again, but in third person this time" - Glowie Screecher

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You are still struggling? How very strange, it is so easy:
                Glowie screecher is a lolcow, is the b***h of Armatard and both need to be banned.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I keep begging him to change the way the insults are worded and he won't
                >ha, he must be the one struggling

                You are right here glowie screecher, getting mad after the post which called you out, for everyone to see. Not sure if this is a sloppy attempt at reverse psychology, or do I care. So when is the lolcow mating video coming out with you and Armatard, and will it be shot from a drone? One can hope.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You only have to lose something saying it when you are glowie screecher.

                >So when is the lolcow mating video coming out with you and Armatard, and will it be shot from a drone?
                >you
                Still trying to pin it on me instead of glowie screecher?
                I don't know when the lolcow mating video of glowie screecher and Armatard will come out, but i guess it will look like something this:
                Armatard waltz in, then shit on the ground and glowie screecher will devotedly and submissively crawl towards it with a happy and anticipating face, then start to eat it, smear the rest of it all over his body and attack everyone for who says it is disgusting. So, what is happening metaphorically every time when glowie screecher defends yet another one of Armatard's shitty threads.
                You agree that is what it could look like? Yes or no. If you are glowie screecher and still agree with it, avoid making a general statement and try to pin this again on me or making another avoiding reply.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The T54 shit all over its contemporaries for years in the mid east and Africa and was the best tank of the early cold war barring the Centurion (too few produced) based on combat history not autistic stats or whatever you want to cry about. The T64 was leagues above any other tank for years and was incredibly groundbreaking when it rolled out. You joke about the BTR series but how exactly are Gavins better than them? Slightly better armor? And what's your point with the rockets? Its an objective fact that they were just better in that field. Ask any actual historian not blinded by irrational anger and you'll see that the technological gap between us and the Soviets came in the late 70s onwards. We never stopped advancing while their stagnation got worse and worse until they collapsed.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >You joke about the BTR series but how exactly are Gavins better than them?
          >Gavins

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Its an objective fact that they were just better in that field.
          LMAO

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >tiny aa missiles are the same as space rockets

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >no, not these

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          *blocks your path*

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Well, the Il-2 used a neat little trick to give it like 30 extra HP and no added cost.
      They also invented ERA (their APS was shit so I won't even mention it).

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >They also invented ERA
        and then promptly abandoned it only for some israelite to reinvent it for them to copy years later

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >BTR-60 has some of the worst disembarking for an APC I've ever seen

      I just checked this to see how bad it could be, and I think Anon's right, unless there is a worse method than crawling out of a hole slightly wider than a person and rolling out backwards out of a moving vehicle with the wheels only an inch away from a hand or a foot.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >vid

        wow, thats BAD

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with Russia/The Soviets is that they had some pretty good ideas but then they were never able to fully realize and refine those ideas into something practical.

      Look at the GM94 for example:
      >3 round pump action grenade launcher
      >4.8 kg (10.6 lb) unloaded, 5.8 kg (12.8 lb) loaded
      >more compact and powerful compared to something like the M32A1 (half the capacity however)

      So what does Russia do with such a unique and potentially useful design? Well nothing besides buying 1000 of them and forgetting that they even exists so now Russian soldiers are fricking around with the Cold-War era RPG7s and GP25s in a situation where a device like the GM94 would be excellent at.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's unironically poverty and manufacturing and designing stuff just to pad out economic statistics and spending as economic stimulus. They couldn't buy more than 1000 at the time they bought it and those 1000 launchers made the line about military industry production look real nice on the spreadsheet which in turn made the data at the Ministry of Economy look better and kept the people manufacturing the launchers employed.

        I know this because I live in Latin America and the same applies here, just not to the extent it does in a fricking communist country. Except for, you know, the actual communist countries down here.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I know this because I live in Latin America and the same applies here, just not to the extent it does in a fricking communist country. Except for, you know, the actual communist countries down here.

          Makes sense.

          >they were never able to fully realize and refine those ideas into something practical
          It often came down to things like
          >have the best design by far?
          >too bad your design bureau is out of favor with the higher ups so you get sidelined
          >you manage to come up with a brilliant design that actually fits all the criteria?
          >too bad the shitty factories can’t produce it
          >because communism you have one factory that produces x-type parts and they frick up part on your project?
          >too bad their isn’t a competitor, project shelved
          >spend years putting together competent design team?
          >too bad you copy western stuff now, the kgb spent too much money getting a hold of this you’re gonna use it whether it’s useful or not
          >have a promising design that just needs a bit more refinement?
          >too bad party leaders need it rushed out for parade celebrating Lenin’s bowel movement
          >etc

          Ah communism, isn’t it great.

          >Ah communism, isn’t it great.

          You know what's crazy? The same shit applies to China. For example they have two almost identical main battle tanks (Type 96 vs. Type 99) used by the PLA which I can assume happened because of b***hing between Norinco and Inner Mongolia First Machinery Group Corporation (both government owned). Yes the type 99 is 10 tons+ heavier than the type 96 but they are so similar.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >they were never able to fully realize and refine those ideas into something practical
        It often came down to things like
        >have the best design by far?
        >too bad your design bureau is out of favor with the higher ups so you get sidelined
        >you manage to come up with a brilliant design that actually fits all the criteria?
        >too bad the shitty factories can’t produce it
        >because communism you have one factory that produces x-type parts and they frick up part on your project?
        >too bad their isn’t a competitor, project shelved
        >spend years putting together competent design team?
        >too bad you copy western stuff now, the kgb spent too much money getting a hold of this you’re gonna use it whether it’s useful or not
        >have a promising design that just needs a bit more refinement?
        >too bad party leaders need it rushed out for parade celebrating Lenin’s bowel movement
        >etc

        Ah communism, isn’t it great.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So I know that Ukraine captured a few BMP-3s, but my question is where TF is Ukraine getting the AMMO for these from? Is there compatible ammo from other systems that they can use?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it fires 30mm rounds, same as BMP-2, and it fires 100m HE and ATGMs

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      30mm is everywhere
      as for the 100mm
      1) captured stockpiles
      2) a lot of Arab countries with BMP-3s are friendly enough with US to sell some of their stockpile (at a markup) - Kuwait and UAE, for example
      3) South Korea probably makes their own ammo

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Dont quote me on it, but it THINK you can use the Bastion ATGMs from the MT-12 AT guns

      As for the 30mm and 7.62mm, they must have plenty

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      ukraine had bmp-3s in service before the war

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The funny thing is that if you look at the actual battlefield performance of this war, both sides started the war using similar weapons packages built for the same playbook, but it's the Ukrainians are the ones who have actually correctly executed Soviet-era military doctrine, while the Russians gambled and completely blundered.

    Soviet Deep Battle dictates that the attacking force move forward with a operationally mobile tactical breakthrough echelon to find weak points in the enemy defenses, penetrate to the enemy's rear areas, and cause havoc throughout their depth, disrupting communications and supply lines. Then the second and third echelons reinforce those breakthroughs and deals with the bypassed defenders who are cut off from supplies and communications.

    The Russians had too few men and attacked on too many axes, so they gambled and went in with only a single echelon designed to make thunder runs on Kyiv from multiple directions, bypassing most defensive strongpoints (the cities), thinking that with a show of force, they would be able to cause the government and military leaders to capitulate. But because they didn't have the forces for the second and third echelons, they couldn't do the necessary blocking actions to deal with the bypassed defenders, who ripped apart the long Russian supply lines, forcing the Russians to abandon their attack on Kyiv before they even started the siege.

    In contrast, the Ukrainian offensive in Kharkov was very much in the style of conventional Soviet Deep Battle. Rather than directly making a frontal assault, they identified a weak point in the line to the north, and went in with a fast-moving force that punched through the defenses and seized lots of important supply lines and cut communications, primarily the critical railway junction of Kupiansk. They then poured second and third echelons through the breach, with the ultimate effect of causing the First Guards Tank Army to rout.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If we for example look at the battle for Sumy oblast, we can observe how well the Ukrainians used a defense in depth approach while Russia seemed to have forgotten the lessons of 42/43.
      Russian doctrine provides a proper solution for the situation they were facing, it is in fact specifically built to fight elastic defense. I agree with the assessment that the failure of the initial invasion is mostly attributable to poor force composition as a result of political miscalculation.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >but it's the Ukrainians are the ones who have actually correctly executed Soviet-era military doctrine, while the Russians gambled and completely blundered.

      The russians have abandoned soviet era military doctrine long ago, their current doctrine is to minimize own losses while hitting the opponent with long range muntions, grinding him down.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >their current doctrine is to minimize own losses
        By sending infantry without any armor support or sending armor straight into minefields until they run out of vehicles?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not that anon, but yes, because they use those casualties to see where the mines are and where the Ukrainians are shooting from and try to explode it with artillery.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >sir we've located where Ukrainian are shooting from!
            >where?
            >30km behind frontlines
            >suka blyat, send second wave, maybe we will revealed one firing positions

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's turrets lanch the highest.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      BMP-2s brutally mogged

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >BMP-3
    >bad
    That 100mm gun is pretty useful.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Sips 100 grams
    Hold up, what if we take that thing.....and make it air droppable ?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The BMDs have to be the single most idiotic thing the soviets/russians came up with

      4 different models of trash, all useless

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        look, if you use it like you're supposed to and drop the VDV into poorly defended rear line areas where they've mostly just got police and reservists defending with small arms, then it's a big force multiplier, just don't treat it like an actual IFV.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why do they all have that GI Joe logo on them or is it Micro Machines? It looks fricking terrible

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    how much ammo does it carry? the swedish 40mm CV90 only carries like 70 or so rounds, does this monstrosity carry like 12?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      234.

      i have no idea why you thought it was 70.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      500 30mm rounds in two belts, 40 100mm HE, 8 100mm ATGM

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    its an improvement over the BMP-1's loader-maiming autoloader units would disable anyway and the soviet brass liked high caliber guns on IFV's

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Surprised we haven't seen any BMP-3's used with ERA yet.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Are they even used by the russians? I thinks it's only for export or a prototype

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I bet there is only one.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >those moronic steel flappy ears

      I swear to God the Russians have split off from human civilization.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >BMP-3m Dragoon
        >Completey redesigned vehicle
        What the frick is wrong with Russians and having the most moronic naming conventions
        >Make a T-72 with different style turret
        >Da, is completely different tank, change name
        >IFV with radically different design and components
        >is updated model, ok?
        I hate them so fricking much

        Most people hate vatniks for shitting up the board for over a decade about >muh wundablyat or because they're the current bad guy, but you just have a raw unadulterated hate for them simply because they're moronic at making weapons.

        This is true /k/ autistic spirit, never change anon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      All we've seen is BMP-3 with slate armor

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The BMP-3 would have been a very good vehicle if it was designed purely as a light tank. Its infantry carrying ability is beyond useless, and if you keep the same chassis you can fit more armor and a bigger engine, and your Ivans can still sit on top of it. We all know they prefer to sit on top anyway.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They already have the 2S25 for the air droppable light tank role with a real 125mm tank gun. Yes it's Armata tier vaporware but it already exists.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >2S25
        Has the Sprut ever been used in combat?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >2S25
        Has the Sprut ever been used in combat?

        They made something like 20 of them so I doubt they will see combat anytime soon.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The way you describe it literally sounds like how Burton imagined the Bradley to be like lmao

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >another totally organic seethe thread for redditors to talk shit about russian APCs

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >you can't talk about military vehicles on /k/

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Have they considered not making shit IFVs?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Have they considered not making shit IFVs?

        Blyat! Wectwen decadent HATO fascist tactic of keeping konscripts in spoilt comfort at expense of poor oligarchs! Xoxolpig nazis will be undo.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Russians and Late Soviets mostly let engineers design things to kill them if they were competent and wanted to produce a good product. The point is sabotage and robbery.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The custom built version that the Chinese made for UAE is actually really good,

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's a completely different vehicle

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It still uses the BMP-3 inspired turret (100m gun + 30mm chaingun) from the chink ZBD-04A (Chink BMP-3 clone, with a much larger and taller chassis)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          NTA but it's kinda like saying the ZTZ-99A is the same thing as a T-72

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This one is recent.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      See what OP meant about BMP-3 being full of ammo? This is what happens. No western IFV would blow up like that.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus, thing fricking evaporated.

      That's gotta be scary as frick to be riding in one knowing any minor explosion can send you to God in a picosecond

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >having 100mm HE is a good ide-ACK!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      holy shit, whatever poor bastards were inside that thing got vaporized

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >2 hull MGs for some fricking reason
    How else are you supposed to quell protests?

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >100mm low pressure main gun

    what's wrong with that? It's an IFV, it's mean to fight against infantry, buildings, and other light-skinned vehicles. An IFV isn't going to be fighting against tanks.

    If anything, they should have improved the designed so that the gun could fire at steeper angles so it can act like a mortar.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This

      https://i.imgur.com/KN1NMmH.jpg

      This one is recent.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      An IFV does fight against tanks however. Its almost inevitable it does. Hence why the Bradley is armed with TOW missiles.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The BMP3 design was originally a light tank but was repurposed as an IFV early into it's development. The Chinese bought the designs of a front engine variant and produce itnas the ZBD04.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Warriortard cope

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >engine at the back so the dismounts have to exit OVER the engine and open TWO hatches to get out.

    Really boggles the mind.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Not to mention that moronic ass seating arrangement.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        > Amphibious
        > Everyone guaranteed to drown

        It's like someone designed it on a dare.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Not to mention that moronic ass seating arrangement.

      > Amphibious
      > Everyone guaranteed to drown

      It's like someone designed it on a dare.

      The BMP-3, like several other things that came from the USSR, seems to have been designed around misanthrophy.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't seem too bad if it's like that. You're basically going up two steps then move out. It's a bit cumbersome but not too bad.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >listening to the vatBlack person type furiously his response

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There is nothing wrong with those tanks

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Another thread derailed by vatBlack folk. Bravo

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Glowie screecher is a lolcow, is the b***h of Armatard and both need to be banned.

    See how easy it is, saying the thing which you still cannot say? Instead of continuing your embarrassing false flag act and linking the wrong posts, you could have just said so.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks, glowie screecher, this false flag will go into my screencap folder.

      [...]

      Just to be clear, this post isn't by me. You did nothing wrong and linked the obvious correct posts.

      t.

      You only have to lose something saying it when you are glowie screecher.

      >So when is the lolcow mating video coming out with you and Armatard, and will it be shot from a drone?
      >you
      Still trying to pin it on me instead of glowie screecher?
      I don't know when the lolcow mating video of glowie screecher and Armatard will come out, but i guess it will look like something this:
      Armatard waltz in, then shit on the ground and glowie screecher will devotedly and submissively crawl towards it with a happy and anticipating face, then start to eat it, smear the rest of it all over his body and attack everyone for who says it is disgusting. So, what is happening metaphorically every time when glowie screecher defends yet another one of Armatard's shitty threads.
      You agree that is what it could look like? Yes or no. If you are glowie screecher and still agree with it, avoid making a general statement and try to pin this again on me or making another avoiding reply.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >false flagging glowie screecher still flailing around linking all the wrong posts to hide his embarassed

        t.

        Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
        https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
        https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

        I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

        You know, the post which sets you off to begin with? The post which anyone can follow your wrong links and see was the start of your whole meltdown episode. The post which still butthurt you so much to this day, you come back and write a false flagging mass reply to conceal which posts were really yours?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's too late, glowie screecher, show us which linked post in

          [...]

          said:
          Glowie screecher is a lolcow, is the b***h of Armatard and both need to be banned.
          Because non of them have said it and the posts replying to those did a ton of times. The anon in

          [...]

          linked the correct posts, yours.
          Btw, thanks for admitting how you are a lolcow, Armatard's b***h and both of you need to be banned. It's canon now.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Common glowie screecher, stop gasping so desperately. Can you actually say it without your false flagging claim that I am the glowie screecher? In a neutral phrase? Maybe your sock puppet could help you for the task?

            The glowie screecher is the b***h of Armatard and both of them need to be banned.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >The glowie screecher is the b***h of Armatard and both of them need to be banned.
              Correct, i'm glad glowie screecher is accepting his fate. Oh and let's not forget how he's a lolcow.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >he STILL can’t directly say it, has to quote it instead
                Top kek
                Glowie Screecher, did you think it would work quoting the wrong posts, pretending to be a different but somehow identically moronic anon, all failing to address

                Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

                I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

                , the post you somehow allergic to addressing even false flagging? Even in your list of wrong posts, you assumed the board is too stupid to follow a quote chain. This is getting good, waiting for your spergout to spread other threads.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The way i did it was more than sufficient, but here it goes, again, just for you:
                Glowie screecher is a lolcow, is the b***h of Armatard and both need to be banned.
                Btw you still haven't explained why

                [...]

                actually is wrong, all the linked posts in the first part of the post failed to do what you just demanded, at the same time the posts replying to those linked posts were capable of doing it. Isn't that quite strange, you little liar. Oh, glowie screecher is such a sore loser.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >more desperate twisting
                The posts that your sock puppet “””friend””” linked are the posts where you got called a lolcow first in the thread, glowie screecher. There you go again thinking everyone is too stupid to follow a quotes.

                So won’t you say it with me, the glowie screecher identified in

                Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

                I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

                is a mentally moronic schizo, a rotten individual, and should be banned from /k/. Let’s see if you can say it with the original post linked.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Gee, if that's true how come the linked posts in

                [...]

                weren't capable of doing what you just demanded in

                >he STILL can’t directly say it, has to quote it instead
                Top kek
                Glowie Screecher, did you think it would work quoting the wrong posts, pretending to be a different but somehow identically moronic anon, all failing to address [...], the post you somehow allergic to addressing even false flagging? Even in your list of wrong posts, you assumed the board is too stupid to follow a quote chain. This is getting good, waiting for your spergout to spread other threads.

                ? Talking about more desperate twisting. Btw i'm not playing your stupid game, but this is still correct:
                The glowie screecher is a mentally moronic schizo, a rotten individual, and should be banned from /k/.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >he can’t say it
                Guessed as much. The first mention of you, glowie screecher, is in

                Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

                I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

                , the post you can’t possibly address, even now. The wrong posts you linked are the ones which butthurt your stinging lolcow ass in the thread. The kind of posts where anons smarter than you deride and ridicule you, and you remember it to repeat later.

                Repeat after me, the glowie screecher identified in

                Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

                I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

                is a regarded totten individual who should be banned from /k/.

                It would be so easy, but you can’t do it, you can only get real mad at all the posts making fun after your backstory gets posted, not call attention to the backstory itself.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Correction;
                Repeat after me, the glowie screecher identified in

                Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

                I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

                # is a moronic rotten individual who should be banned from /k/.

                >inb4 my spelling mistake gets seethed about and used as a lifeline for the flopping vatnik

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You want me to acknowledge a false flag of yours that is attacking a poster? Nope.
                The stuff in the tbhlinks, from the post
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426
                is correct though.

                And this is still true:
                The glowie screecher is a moronic rotten individual who should be banned from /k/.

                Btw, while we are at it, how correct this is? I would say it's spot on:
                >I don't know when the lolcow mating video of glowie screecher and Armatard will come out, but i guess it will look like something this:
                >Armatard waltzes in, then shits on the ground and glowie screecher will devotedly and submissively crawl towards it with a happy and anticipating face, then start to eat it, smear the rest of it all over his body and attack everyone for who says it is disgusting. So, what is happening metaphorically every time when glowie screecher defends yet another one of Armatard's shitty threads.
                Do you agree?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >He still can't say it
                >Decides to change his story and include the post calling him out in the list of "False flags"
                So I guess your sock puppet bystander friend kinda missed an important point then, in his list of "False flags"? So not only the post calling you a lolocow and making fun of your disdainful behavior is a one, but even the first time you got called out. Oh poor glowie screecher, look at you getting backed into a corner and change your story.

                Repeat after me, the glowie screecher, identified in

                Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

                I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

                , is the developmentally delayed b***h of armatard and a lolcow.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, i won't support one of your false flags. No, i don't expect anyone to check the whole thread for all your posts, just because not all your posts are linked, doesn't mean this one isn't yours or he's wrong.
                Btw all the stuff in

                You want me to acknowledge a false flag of yours that is attacking a poster? Nope.
                The stuff in the tbhlinks, from the post
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426
                is correct though.

                And this is still true:
                The glowie screecher is a moronic rotten individual who should be banned from /k/.

                Btw, while we are at it, how correct this is? I would say it's spot on:
                >I don't know when the lolcow mating video of glowie screecher and Armatard will come out, but i guess it will look like something this:
                >Armatard waltzes in, then shits on the ground and glowie screecher will devotedly and submissively crawl towards it with a happy and anticipating face, then start to eat it, smear the rest of it all over his body and attack everyone for who says it is disgusting. So, what is happening metaphorically every time when glowie screecher defends yet another one of Armatard's shitty threads.
                Do you agree?

                is still true and you still have a hard time shitting on glowie screecher and me not acknoweldging your fake post to be real doesn't change anything. That was always your problem, glowie screecher, you always lie too much and too often and then this passive aggressive false flag posting. Delicious, always a good sign glowie screecher is all riled up and angry.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So lets get this straight, glowie screecher, something your parents clearly failed to do. The comment

                Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

                I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

                which called you out is a false flag, but you still showed up, and got all butthurt over it, doing your hours/days long tantrum of shilling. But everyone supposed to believe it was just a ruse and you were only pretending to be moronic, or reacting to other people false flagging, but the real glowie screecher cannot be you, or those other sock puppet characters of yours, somehow during all this. Lets get this over with, you should be able to post guns as a real /k/ user, and the vatnig shill should not be able to post guns. Is that right? Should we see how well you hold up to that claims?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's your post, it's a false flag and you got butthurt when it got called out for its error. You then started your false flag routine and you are still doing it.
                BTW you still didn't acknowledged the stuff in

                You want me to acknowledge a false flag of yours that is attacking a poster? Nope.
                The stuff in the tbhlinks, from the post
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426
                is correct though.

                And this is still true:
                The glowie screecher is a moronic rotten individual who should be banned from /k/.

                Btw, while we are at it, how correct this is? I would say it's spot on:
                >I don't know when the lolcow mating video of glowie screecher and Armatard will come out, but i guess it will look like something this:
                >Armatard waltzes in, then shits on the ground and glowie screecher will devotedly and submissively crawl towards it with a happy and anticipating face, then start to eat it, smear the rest of it all over his body and attack everyone for who says it is disgusting. So, what is happening metaphorically every time when glowie screecher defends yet another one of Armatard's shitty threads.
                Do you agree?

                ? I'm supposed to be glowie screecher and i can say all those things about "me", but you keep dodging around. Fricking interesting, isn't it? Just look at how long it took you to half heartedly parrot what i said and you only did it to twist the whole situation on me again.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >More changing the subject
                Oh no, looks like the "Genuine /k/ user", who somehow just got butthurt when the name glowie screecher got mentioned, and stayed there shilling and false flagging for hours, is concerned about having to post guns. If you could not post guns, but I could, that would prove who is the real shill, wouldn't it, glowie screecher?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sorry, but glowie screecher is a lolcow, the b***h of Armatard and both of them need to be banned. That's a fact, he even agreed to it and posted it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Glowie screecher keeps false flagging, can't even address the topic of posting guns
                Looks like the "Real /k/ user" is in quite a conundrum here, because everyone is about to see who's the real shill. Lets just get it over then? Post guns. Betting you can't.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How is it a false flag though? It's just insults against glowie screecher and you are getting mad at this. How quaint.
                >the real shill.
                You mean like all the type of shills you called other anons on /k/. There is a nice list all the shit you claimed posters are, it is right here

                No, a rambling and chaotic false flag post doesn't count, glowie screecher. Say it with me:
                Glowie screecher is a lolcow, is the b***h of Armatard and both need to be banned.
                While we are at it, calling posters
                >it's CIA
                >it's Earnest Voice
                >it's the state deparment
                >it's Langley
                >it's bots
                >it's MI-6
                >it's Shareblue
                >it's an indian call center
                >it's a nigerian sweat shop
                >it's Israel
                >it's jannies
                >it's bots run rampant across the internet
                >it's polish and ukrainian workers shitposting after they got off work
                >It's DOD shills
                >it's the shill
                >it's a polish descent in the US eastern time zone
                >it's estonian shills
                >it's ukranian shills
                >it's people making up a new boogie man cartoon character
                >it's oinker
                is a schizo thing to say.

                Someone who makes such accusations is clearly either deranged or mentally ill.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Hes still trying
                Top kek. You are false flagging because you took issue with the post calling you out

                Fair warning, the guy you are responding to is known as Glowie Screecher and is false flagging as Armatard from time to time. There is much more shit he does, to read about here:
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426

                I know it has become an upset addiction from him to false flag as his enemies after he got called Armatard continued to do so for months once he got real mad. It's enough to bring him to absolutely uncontrollable tears when someone points this out.

                , glowie screecher. And now you can't post guns or even bring yourself to discuss it. How pathetic. Go ahead, scrounge up something in your shit stained vatBlack person apartment to take a picture of, or just avoid the issue again and continue the pathetic screeching, glowie screecher. You will never be a real /k/ user.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>Hes still trying
                Ironic. The only issues i have with the posts are two things though, it's a false flag aimed to anger a bystander and to rile them up against glowie screechers enemies, something glowie screecher has done quite often and then there is the issue with the error. But the rest of it, the stuff that got linked? It's all true, no issue there.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Are you going to post guns or not, glowie screecher? We all know you took issue to the post calling you out. Stop trying to squirm out of the issue at hand and post guns.
                Also
                >He made fun my bystander sock puppet in

                >Just to be clear, this post isn't by me You did nothing wrong and linked the obvious correct posts.


                Ah, the old trick where Armatard would spawn such bystanders to come agree with him, when he was in a tough spot. Are we sure Glowie Screecher and Armatard are separate entities?
                >Better reuse the term bystander for days now

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >implying it's not just copied from sometimes before
                >implying posting funs would mean anything or undo anything you had done
                Btw those magazines

                https://i.imgur.com/5vcMWdK.jpg

                >Hes still trying
                Top kek. You are false flagging because you took issue with the post calling you out [...], glowie screecher. And now you can't post guns or even bring yourself to discuss it. How pathetic. Go ahead, scrounge up something in your shit stained vatBlack person apartment to take a picture of, or just avoid the issue again and continue the pathetic screeching, glowie screecher. You will never be a real /k/ user.

                look familiar. Picture related, that was you, wasn't it? Little Armatard fanboy is still all fuzzy. Cute.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Glowie screecher still can't post his own guns
                Kek

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Those really were your magazines, imagine being an Armatard fanboy, why would anyone chose to be such a disgusting being?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Still posting text instead of guns
                Keep going glowie screecher. Imagine getting mogged by real /k/ users and still autistically repeating the same shits instead of posting guns.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So what's your opinon on Armatard, real /k/ user? I think he's a dumb vatnik homosexual and unironically needs to be locked up in a mental asylum, in one of the bad ones for all i care. Everyone who is trying to defend him, what he posts on average or his threads are digusting human beings and need to share a cell with him until they realised what a deranged idiot he is. Same goes for people who attack others with false flag posts like glowie screecher does.
                What you gonna do about it, muh guns?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >More babbling
                >No guns
                Guess that settles who is the real shill, glowie screecher. GG

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You are correct, glowie screecher is a real shill, sadly for you i'm not this homosexual. Now tell us what's your opinion on Armatard, muh fellow real /k/.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why can’t you post guns, glowie screecher?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why do 90% of your post look like you are glowie screecher and why do you have such a hard time shitting on him and Armatard. It's so fricking easy to do, when you aren't one of them, btw you still need to acknowledge any of

                You want me to acknowledge a false flag of yours that is attacking a poster? Nope.
                The stuff in the tbhlinks, from the post
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338339
                https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56331977/#q56338426
                is correct though.

                And this is still true:
                The glowie screecher is a moronic rotten individual who should be banned from /k/.

                Btw, while we are at it, how correct this is? I would say it's spot on:
                >I don't know when the lolcow mating video of glowie screecher and Armatard will come out, but i guess it will look like something this:
                >Armatard waltzes in, then shits on the ground and glowie screecher will devotedly and submissively crawl towards it with a happy and anticipating face, then start to eat it, smear the rest of it all over his body and attack everyone for who says it is disgusting. So, what is happening metaphorically every time when glowie screecher defends yet another one of Armatard's shitty threads.
                Do you agree?

                . All the stuff in the post is true and if you want me to repeat any of it or acknowledge anything again, just ask, it's not like i'm one of both.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Glowie screecher cant answer why he wont post guns
                Keeps getting funnier

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You think posting guns makes you less of a shill, glowie screecher? Where is the causal connection? And how come you have such a hard time insulting glowie screecher when you aren't him? So many questions.
                You are a fricking shill, you hate /k/, you hate the US, you love deranged morons like Armatard and take offense when they get shittcalled. Inb4 next muh guns post.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Inb4 next muh guns post.
                Where do you think you are, glowie screecher? Why can't you post any? It's pretty sad watching you post words words words without anything to back it up.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Is posting guns make you any less of a falseflagging shill or a liar, glowie screecher? Nope.

                You couldn't even explain why it's so hard for you to make any negative comments about glowie screecher, it even took you half a day to just parrot something, and then you just did it for your false flagging. Go be a dumb homosexual somewhere else, it's not like you even ever liked /k/.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Is posting guns make you any less of a falseflagging shill
                Well, glowie screecher, considering this is a gun board, and you're shilling and can't post any, sounds like we have an answer.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's a weapons board and we are in a thread about military equipment, glowie screecher. Why the frick do you always have to lie? I forgot, glowie screecher is Armatard's b***h and a lowcow, of course he's gonna be a dumb liar.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >glowie screecher still can't post guns
                Imagine talking this much shit in PrepHole, then getting revealed for not even watching a single anime.Or writing hundreds of words worth of shilling gibberish in /k/, then getting mocked for having no guns. I'd say you are all hat and no cattle, but being a lolcow must count as cattle.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's all good, this isn't my first encounter with him.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Glowie screecher gets btfo
          >Glowie screecher samegayging to talk to himself again
          Right on schedule. Just like your butt buddy Armatard.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Just to be clear, this post isn't by me You did nothing wrong and linked the obvious correct posts.
      Ah, the old trick where Armatard would spawn such bystanders to come agree with him, when he was in a tough spot. Are we sure Glowie Screecher and Armatard are separate entities?

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This one pretty recent drove over some visible mines. Would the driver with the visibility inside be able to see the mines?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No, buttoned up armored vehicles have terrible visibility. The driver’s position is often particularly bad, have to rely on the commander to help navigate. Some are better than others, but none come close to the visibility you have driving a car.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Did you know BMP-3s can participate in the turret throwing Olympics?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        BMD-4s have a variant of this turret, the ammo is stored vertically like a T-80.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >2 hull MGs for some fricking reason
    Because two of the dismounts are located in the front of the vehicle with the driver, because of all the space taken up by the engine in the rear. It's terrible ergonomics for a rapid dismount, but if they're already up there it's not like you're sacrificing much engineering wise to give them each a hull mounted MG to spew a bit more dakka downrange.

    The Hull MG's are a reasonable addition. It's the demented internal layout that makes them reasonable that is the real problem.

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    who honestly writes this garbage?
    >armor about equal to m2 bradley. both capable of add-on armor modules
    >better mobility
    >better range
    >better armed
    >smaller target
    >probably much cheaper
    ???? dumb.

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